Re: [IAEP] Alternative icon design for Get Internet Archive Books, please comment
Eben and Tony: I like your design, but if I decide to go with something like that I think my Inkscape skills are good enough to duplicate it. I think Tony makes some really good points though, so what I think I'll do is go with my own (Gary Martin inspired) design with the speed lines for now. I was not so much concerned that kids wouldn't know what speed lines are as I was that what I had drawn would be recognizable as speed lines. And apparently they are. I should have release 2 of this Activity ready in a few days. The new one will have multiline table cells for long titles or lists of authors, a progress bar to indicate download progress, and the ability to choose between DJVU and PDF as a download format. This last feature is to accommodate .82 users which have a Read Activity that does not support DJVU well. Thanks to everyone who commented or tried to come up with designs. James Simmons On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Eben Eliasoneben.elia...@gmail.com wrote: Here's my two cents. (see attached) I like the use of the browse icon, but I've found that rendering it as a fill, rather than a stroke, works far better at small sizes. While I like the stack of books, I'm afraid it doesn't read clearly at first glance. I decided to try stamping the internet logo on the cover of the book, almost like it's an atlas of the internet archive, both to conserve space and to simplify a bit. I'll pull together a proper Sugarized SVG if it's desired. Eben On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:21 PM, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: Jim I like the icon of the browser on the open book To me it says: get a book from the internet Unlike the other suggestions, it can be interpreted without any prior knowledge, because it builds on the Browse and book reader icons which have their meaning defined within Sugar by these Activities. The motion lines require the reader to know this comic strip convention but the icon can be interpreted without understanding the motion lines. For third world kids, card catalogues will not work, I doubt they have seen a lot of hard bound books or bookshelves either. Mostly I think they use cheaper staple bound books. http://www.flickr.com/photos/tonyforster1/3420467967/ photo, cheap staple bound textbooks, Peru http://www.flickr.com/photos/tonyforster1/3676084455/ photo, single room school, Peru. No card catalogues, hard bound books or bookshelves in sight. (There was however a PC which they hid under the white cloth to the left, presuming that tourists would not want modern artefacts in their photos. As a missionary school, I expect it is better funded than a government school) Tony ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Alternative icon design for Get Internet Archive Books, please comment
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Jim Simmonsnices...@gmail.com wrote: Eben and Tony: I like your design, but if I decide to go with something like that I think my Inkscape skills are good enough to duplicate it. I think Tony makes some really good points though, so what I think I'll do is go with my own (Gary Martin inspired) design with the speed lines for now. I was not so much concerned that kids wouldn't know what speed lines are as I was that what I had drawn would be recognizable as speed lines. And apparently they are. Sure, no problem! I'd definitely recommend trying the filled browse icon in your design, since it appears you are using lines that are much narrower than the style guidelines permit (3.5 for primary stroke, 2.25 for secondary strokes). The speed lines, likewise, should probably be bumped up a little bit to 2.25. I should have release 2 of this Activity ready in a few days. The new one will have multiline table cells for long titles or lists of authors, a progress bar to indicate download progress, and the ability to choose between DJVU and PDF as a download format. This last feature is to accommodate .82 users which have a Read Activity that does not support DJVU well. Awesome. Eben Thanks to everyone who commented or tried to come up with designs. James Simmons On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Eben Eliasoneben.elia...@gmail.com wrote: Here's my two cents. (see attached) I like the use of the browse icon, but I've found that rendering it as a fill, rather than a stroke, works far better at small sizes. While I like the stack of books, I'm afraid it doesn't read clearly at first glance. I decided to try stamping the internet logo on the cover of the book, almost like it's an atlas of the internet archive, both to conserve space and to simplify a bit. I'll pull together a proper Sugarized SVG if it's desired. Eben On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:21 PM, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: Jim I like the icon of the browser on the open book To me it says: get a book from the internet Unlike the other suggestions, it can be interpreted without any prior knowledge, because it builds on the Browse and book reader icons which have their meaning defined within Sugar by these Activities. The motion lines require the reader to know this comic strip convention but the icon can be interpreted without understanding the motion lines. For third world kids, card catalogues will not work, I doubt they have seen a lot of hard bound books or bookshelves either. Mostly I think they use cheaper staple bound books. http://www.flickr.com/photos/tonyforster1/3420467967/ photo, cheap staple bound textbooks, Peru http://www.flickr.com/photos/tonyforster1/3676084455/ photo, single room school, Peru. No card catalogues, hard bound books or bookshelves in sight. (There was however a PC which they hid under the white cloth to the left, presuming that tourists would not want modern artefacts in their photos. As a missionary school, I expect it is better funded than a government school) Tony ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Alternative icon design for Get Internet Archive Books, please comment
Looks good! Eben PS. Part of the reason for the minimum stroke weight requirements was due to the XO screen itself, which swizzles to create the correct colors. Lines that are too thin appear the wrong color, since each individual pixel is either red, green, or blue, rather than each having all 3 of these components. It wasn't solely a stylistic decision, though we also liked it on that basis. In any case, keeping the primary outline (the defining shape of the icon) the standard 3.5pt is the crucial part (and it appears you've done this), for consistency across icons. On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Jim Simmonsnices...@gmail.com wrote: Eben, I've taken your suggestion on the globe, but making the speedlines thicker didn't look right. End result is attached. I'll try it tonight and see how it looks. And I did manage to find the style guide for Sugar icons. I won't promise to follow them religiously, since the other two icons I made seem fine to me, but at least I know what they are. Thanks, James Simmons On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Eben Eliasoneben.elia...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Jim Simmonsnices...@gmail.com wrote: Eben and Tony: I like your design, but if I decide to go with something like that I think my Inkscape skills are good enough to duplicate it. I think Tony makes some really good points though, so what I think I'll do is go with my own (Gary Martin inspired) design with the speed lines for now. I was not so much concerned that kids wouldn't know what speed lines are as I was that what I had drawn would be recognizable as speed lines. And apparently they are. Sure, no problem! I'd definitely recommend trying the filled browse icon in your design, since it appears you are using lines that are much narrower than the style guidelines permit (3.5 for primary stroke, 2.25 for secondary strokes). The speed lines, likewise, should probably be bumped up a little bit to 2.25. I should have release 2 of this Activity ready in a few days. The new one will have multiline table cells for long titles or lists of authors, a progress bar to indicate download progress, and the ability to choose between DJVU and PDF as a download format. This last feature is to accommodate .82 users which have a Read Activity that does not support DJVU well. Awesome. Eben Thanks to everyone who commented or tried to come up with designs. James Simmons On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:28 PM, Eben Eliasoneben.elia...@gmail.com wrote: Here's my two cents. (see attached) I like the use of the browse icon, but I've found that rendering it as a fill, rather than a stroke, works far better at small sizes. While I like the stack of books, I'm afraid it doesn't read clearly at first glance. I decided to try stamping the internet logo on the cover of the book, almost like it's an atlas of the internet archive, both to conserve space and to simplify a bit. I'll pull together a proper Sugarized SVG if it's desired. Eben On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:21 PM, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: Jim I like the icon of the browser on the open book To me it says: get a book from the internet Unlike the other suggestions, it can be interpreted without any prior knowledge, because it builds on the Browse and book reader icons which have their meaning defined within Sugar by these Activities. The motion lines require the reader to know this comic strip convention but the icon can be interpreted without understanding the motion lines. For third world kids, card catalogues will not work, I doubt they have seen a lot of hard bound books or bookshelves either. Mostly I think they use cheaper staple bound books. http://www.flickr.com/photos/tonyforster1/3420467967/ photo, cheap staple bound textbooks, Peru http://www.flickr.com/photos/tonyforster1/3676084455/ photo, single room school, Peru. No card catalogues, hard bound books or bookshelves in sight. (There was however a PC which they hid under the white cloth to the left, presuming that tourists would not want modern artefacts in their photos. As a missionary school, I expect it is better funded than a government school) Tony ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Alternative icon design for Get Internet Archive Books, please comment
Attached is an icon for the Get Internet Archive Books Activity. My original design, based on a card catalog drawer, can be seen at ASLO. I kind of like the original, but will replace it with something else if there is a strong preference to do so. This icon is inspired by a suggestion by Gary C Martin. I will not attempt to explain what it means; if it isn't obvious the icon is no good and I'll stick with my card catalog design. I'm still interested in other ideas. Thanks, James Simmons attachment: get-ia-books-2.svg___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Alternative icon design for Get Internet Archive Books, please comment
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Jim Simmons nices...@gmail.com wrote: ... I'm still interested in other ideas. Something like this maybe... attachment: InternetBookArchive.png___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Alternative icon design for Get Internet Archive Books, please comment
On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Frederick Grosefgr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Jim Simmons nices...@gmail.com wrote: I'm still interested in other ideas. Something like this maybe... ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep For those of us with little artistic or visual skills, it is very clear what this icon means. david -- David Farning Sugar Labs www.sugarlabs.org attachment: InternetBookArchive.png___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Alternative icon design for Get Internet Archive Books, please comment
I really like this one, the stack of books and mini-Browse tell the story. Sean On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:28 PM, David Farningdfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Frederick Grosefgr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Jim Simmons nices...@gmail.com wrote: I'm still interested in other ideas. Something like this maybe... ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep For those of us with little artistic or visual skills, it is very clear what this icon means. david -- David Farning Sugar Labs www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Alternative icon design for Get Internet Archive Books, please comment
You might want to add more whitespace around the Browse icon. And it's not so clear to me that it is a stack of books, or what the bottom line is. An open book with pages might be more identifiable. SJ On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Sean DALYsdaly...@gmail.com wrote: I really like this one, the stack of books and mini-Browse tell the story. Sean On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:28 PM, David Farningdfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Frederick Grosefgr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Jim Simmons nices...@gmail.com wrote: I'm still interested in other ideas. Something like this maybe... ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep For those of us with little artistic or visual skills, it is very clear what this icon means. david -- David Farning Sugar Labs www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Alternative icon design for Get Internet Archive Books, please comment
A stack of books made me immediately think of driving the carpool for the local summer reading program. Each kid going in and out of the building is carrying a stack of books. Of note about the kids books is that they are all different sizes and color... and the stacks are pretty haphazard:) david On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Samuel Kleinmeta...@gmail.com wrote: You might want to add more whitespace around the Browse icon. And it's not so clear to me that it is a stack of books, or what the bottom line is. An open book with pages might be more identifiable. SJ On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Sean DALYsdaly...@gmail.com wrote: I really like this one, the stack of books and mini-Browse tell the story. Sean On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:28 PM, David Farningdfarn...@sugarlabs.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 11:59 AM, Frederick Grosefgr...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Jim Simmons nices...@gmail.com wrote: I'm still interested in other ideas. Something like this maybe... ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep For those of us with little artistic or visual skills, it is very clear what this icon means. david -- David Farning Sugar Labs www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- David Farning Sugar Labs www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Alternative icon design for Get Internet Archive Books, please comment
Jim I like the icon of the browser on the open book To me it says: get a book from the internet Unlike the other suggestions, it can be interpreted without any prior knowledge, because it builds on the Browse and book reader icons which have their meaning defined within Sugar by these Activities. The motion lines require the reader to know this comic strip convention but the icon can be interpreted without understanding the motion lines. For third world kids, card catalogues will not work, I doubt they have seen a lot of hard bound books or bookshelves either. Mostly I think they use cheaper staple bound books. http://www.flickr.com/photos/tonyforster1/3420467967/ photo, cheap staple bound textbooks, Peru http://www.flickr.com/photos/tonyforster1/3676084455/ photo, single room school, Peru. No card catalogues, hard bound books or bookshelves in sight. (There was however a PC which they hid under the white cloth to the left, presuming that tourists would not want modern artefacts in their photos. As a missionary school, I expect it is better funded than a government school) Tony Attached is an icon for the Get Internet Archive Books Activity. My original design, based on a card catalog drawer, can be seen at ASLO. I kind of like the original, but will replace it with something else if there is a strong preference to do so. This icon is inspired by a suggestion by Gary C Martin. I will not attempt to explain what it means; if it isn't obvious the icon is no good and I'll stick with my card catalog design. I'm still interested in other ideas. Thanks, James Simmons _ This mail has been virus scanned by Australia On Line see http://www.australiaonline.net.au/mailscanning [ get-ia-books-2-2.svg ] ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Alternative icon design for Get Internet Archive Books, please comment
Here's my two cents. (see attached) I like the use of the browse icon, but I've found that rendering it as a fill, rather than a stroke, works far better at small sizes. While I like the stack of books, I'm afraid it doesn't read clearly at first glance. I decided to try stamping the internet logo on the cover of the book, almost like it's an atlas of the internet archive, both to conserve space and to simplify a bit. I'll pull together a proper Sugarized SVG if it's desired. Eben On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 7:21 PM, fors...@ozonline.com.au wrote: Jim I like the icon of the browser on the open book To me it says: get a book from the internet Unlike the other suggestions, it can be interpreted without any prior knowledge, because it builds on the Browse and book reader icons which have their meaning defined within Sugar by these Activities. The motion lines require the reader to know this comic strip convention but the icon can be interpreted without understanding the motion lines. For third world kids, card catalogues will not work, I doubt they have seen a lot of hard bound books or bookshelves either. Mostly I think they use cheaper staple bound books. http://www.flickr.com/photos/tonyforster1/3420467967/ photo, cheap staple bound textbooks, Peru http://www.flickr.com/photos/tonyforster1/3676084455/ photo, single room school, Peru. No card catalogues, hard bound books or bookshelves in sight. (There was however a PC which they hid under the white cloth to the left, presuming that tourists would not want modern artefacts in their photos. As a missionary school, I expect it is better funded than a government school) Tony Attached is an icon for the Get Internet Archive Books Activity. My original design, based on a card catalog drawer, can be seen at ASLO. I kind of like the original, but will replace it with something else if there is a strong preference to do so. This icon is inspired by a suggestion by Gary C Martin. I will not attempt to explain what it means; if it isn't obvious the icon is no good and I'll stick with my card catalog design. I'm still interested in other ideas. Thanks, James Simmons _ This mail has been virus scanned by Australia On Line see http://www.australiaonline.net.au/mailscanning [ get-ia-books-2-2.svg ] ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep attachment: i_book_archive.png___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
