Re: [IAEP] Feedback needed: pippy use cases?
Thanks, Scott. Gerald On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 5:42 AM, C. Scott Ananian csc...@cscott.net wrote: http://dev.laptop.org/git/users/cscott/pippy-examples/tree/ has a set of pippy examples in both English and Spanish, based on the example code in the Commodore 64 user's manual (which taught me how to program, once upon a time). I've used this to teach programming with pippy in Peru. It's best if these are presented on a blackboard for the student to type in, not just clicked-through. --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Feedback needed: pippy use cases?
These might make a great free textbook, if someone wants to write up the pedagogy. I learned to program from typing the examples in from the paper manual. --Scott On Wednesday, February 23, 2011, C. Scott Ananian csc...@cscott.net wrote: http://dev.laptop.org/git/users/cscott/pippy-examples/tree/ has a set of pippy examples in both English and Spanish, based on the example code in the Commodore 64 user's manual (which taught me how to program, once upon a time). I've used this to teach programming with pippy in Peru. It's best if these are presented on a blackboard for the student to type in, not just clicked-through. --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Feedback needed: pippy use cases?
[cc += iaep, sugar-devel, quozl] On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:43, Nicholas Doiron ndoi...@andrew.cmu.edu wrote: Hi Anish, I taught an exploratory Pippy class in Uganda and would be happy to share feedback on the activity. I also wrote a lesson plan for the Digital Literacy Project. 1. The Ugandan students were 6th-7th graders, and I felt they could handle the activity because they had learned pre-algebra, and were interested in the computers. I also shared a lesson plan with this teacher from Plan Ceibal ( http://lists.laptop.org/pipermail/olpc-uruguay/2010-September/003472.html ) 2. Any activity using the mesh or Jabber system is difficult and time-consuming to set up in the classroom. I haven't tested collaboration with Pippy. 3. We all worked on the same example. 4. Not only explain code, also help guide students to know some variables they can modify. As a self-taught programmer, I first learned by changing variables (for example, speeding up cars in a racing game) and seeing the results. The Camera.py example was a cool way to start kids doing this, too. We can change the scale and rotation applied to the photo, or change the background color, just by changing a few numbers. Right now it takes a lot more teacher guidance than experimenting... maybe there's a happy medium. There should be simple camera, microphone, and/or text-to-speech examples to entertain kids and draw them in. Geometry and algebra basics are covered well in TurtleArt... I don't know how easily they could be introduced using Pippy. 5. It would be great for us to be able to share and download more examples. Could they be shared using XOL bundles? 6. I wrote an example in Spanish which uses espeak text-to-speech, adding -ves for Spanish pronunciation: http://pastebin.com/1QPk27rd But you can't avoid most keywords in programming languages being in English. There have been several discussions about this on StackOverflow: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/384683/if-you-are-working-in-a-non-english-speaking-country-do-you-write-your-developmen One of the unanticipated challenges which I faced in Uganda was opposition from another American student volunteer. She said you're supposed to teach how to use a computer, not to program them. I am worried that in education, there are many such people who like technology but avoid getting their hands dirty. I suggest that you associate creating programs with creating other content such as student-made movies, stories, fanfic, and characters. Considering we went to the trouble of giving schools an open-source computer, considering that we hope these kids' careers and quality of life will be improved by smart mobile phones and programs, hiding programming from them would be incredibly short-sighted and even controlling. Pippy isn't the easiest activity, but it does give students a direct line to the underlying tech, and a real-world programming language. Regards, Nick Doiron On Tue, February 22, 2011 11:03 pm, Anish Mangal wrote: Hi, As Pippy maintainer, I'm looking for inputs as to how is Pippy intended to be used in a classroom environment and how is it currently used. In particular: 1. What grades use Pippy? Could it be used in lower grades with some changes? If so, what could be the nature of those changes? 2. Collaborative code editing? How much is it actually used? What could be made better? 3. Sharing/reviewing of examples by other kids/teachers? 4. Would more explanatory code comments in Pippy examples help? 5. Would having a central repository of having pippy code examples help... For example, the ability to download/upload to a url like pippy.sugarlabs.org? 6. Would it help to have the examples in different languages wherever possible (spanish, for example)? Inputs will help guide future releases of Pippy. -- Anish ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Feedback needed: pippy use cases?
Hi, As Pippy maintainer, I'm looking for inputs as to how is Pippy intended to be used in a classroom environment and how is it currently used. In particular: 1. What grades use Pippy? Could it be used in lower grades with some changes? If so, what could be the nature of those changes? 2. Collaborative code editing? How much is it actually used? What could be made better? 3. Sharing/reviewing of examples by other kids/teachers? 4. Would more explanatory code comments in Pippy examples help? 5. Would having a central repository of having pippy code examples help... For example, the ability to download/upload to a url like pippy.sugarlabs.org? 6. Would it help to have the examples in different languages wherever possible (spanish, for example)? Inputs will help guide future releases of Pippy. -- Anish ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Feedback needed: pippy use cases?
An interface and examples like: http://tryruby.org/ would be a nice. It;s a hand's on tutorial that walks you through learning ruby step by step and you feel like you are actually doing and learning something. Ideally you could also build a framework where users could create their own lesson's following a similar format. Part of the challenge of the existing Pippy is while it has some nice fun examples they don't invite you in to start coding the way tryruby.orgdoes. To me when I first saw it I wasn't sure what I was supposed to do other than hit Run!'. FYI, the Thanks program does not work on my XO. Stephen http://mrstevesscience.blogspot.com/ On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Anish Mangal an...@activitycentral.orgwrote: Hi, As Pippy maintainer, I'm looking for inputs as to how is Pippy intended to be used in a classroom environment and how is it currently used. In particular: 1. What grades use Pippy? Could it be used in lower grades with some changes? If so, what could be the nature of those changes? 2. Collaborative code editing? How much is it actually used? What could be made better? 3. Sharing/reviewing of examples by other kids/teachers? 4. Would more explanatory code comments in Pippy examples help? 5. Would having a central repository of having pippy code examples help... For example, the ability to download/upload to a url like pippy.sugarlabs.org? 6. Would it help to have the examples in different languages wherever possible (spanish, for example)? Inputs will help guide future releases of Pippy. -- Anish ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Feedback needed: pippy use cases?
I wanted to add that I agree with Steve. I have been working with 5th-8th graders, many of whom love Turtle Art, Scratch, and Etoys. When they get the bug from this kind of programming, I want to introduce them to Pippy, but, like Steve said, I am not sure what to do other than press run. Gerald On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 4:45 AM, Steve Thomas sthom...@gosargon.com wrote: An interface and examples like: http://tryruby.org/ would be a nice. It;s a hand's on tutorial that walks you through learning ruby step by step and you feel like you are actually doing and learning something. Ideally you could also build a framework where users could create their own lesson's following a similar format. Part of the challenge of the existing Pippy is while it has some nice fun examples they don't invite you in to start coding the way tryruby.orgdoes. To me when I first saw it I wasn't sure what I was supposed to do other than hit Run!'. FYI, the Thanks program does not work on my XO. Stephen http://mrstevesscience.blogspot.com/ On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Anish Mangal an...@activitycentral.orgwrote: Hi, As Pippy maintainer, I'm looking for inputs as to how is Pippy intended to be used in a classroom environment and how is it currently used. In particular: 1. What grades use Pippy? Could it be used in lower grades with some changes? If so, what could be the nature of those changes? 2. Collaborative code editing? How much is it actually used? What could be made better? 3. Sharing/reviewing of examples by other kids/teachers? 4. Would more explanatory code comments in Pippy examples help? 5. Would having a central repository of having pippy code examples help... For example, the ability to download/upload to a url like pippy.sugarlabs.org? 6. Would it help to have the examples in different languages wherever possible (spanish, for example)? Inputs will help guide future releases of Pippy. -- Anish ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Feedback needed: pippy use cases?
It would be nice if we could do a similar set of tutorials inside Etoys (and Scratch) to teach kids Squeak. They would have a set of objects they are familiar with and that they could extend and learn from. It would make the high ceiling easier to reach. Stephen http://mrstevesscience.blogspot.com/ On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 12:02 AM, Dr. Gerald Ardito gerald.ard...@gmail.com wrote: I wanted to add that I agree with Steve. I have been working with 5th-8th graders, many of whom love Turtle Art, Scratch, and Etoys. When they get the bug from this kind of programming, I want to introduce them to Pippy, but, like Steve said, I am not sure what to do other than press run. Gerald On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 4:45 AM, Steve Thomas sthom...@gosargon.comwrote: An interface and examples like: http://tryruby.org/ would be a nice. It;s a hand's on tutorial that walks you through learning ruby step by step and you feel like you are actually doing and learning something. Ideally you could also build a framework where users could create their own lesson's following a similar format. Part of the challenge of the existing Pippy is while it has some nice fun examples they don't invite you in to start coding the way tryruby.orgdoes. To me when I first saw it I wasn't sure what I was supposed to do other than hit Run!'. FYI, the Thanks program does not work on my XO. Stephen http://mrstevesscience.blogspot.com/ On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 11:03 PM, Anish Mangal an...@activitycentral.org wrote: Hi, As Pippy maintainer, I'm looking for inputs as to how is Pippy intended to be used in a classroom environment and how is it currently used. In particular: 1. What grades use Pippy? Could it be used in lower grades with some changes? If so, what could be the nature of those changes? 2. Collaborative code editing? How much is it actually used? What could be made better? 3. Sharing/reviewing of examples by other kids/teachers? 4. Would more explanatory code comments in Pippy examples help? 5. Would having a central repository of having pippy code examples help... For example, the ability to download/upload to a url like pippy.sugarlabs.org? 6. Would it help to have the examples in different languages wherever possible (spanish, for example)? Inputs will help guide future releases of Pippy. -- Anish ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Feedback needed: pippy use cases?
http://dev.laptop.org/git/users/cscott/pippy-examples/tree/ has a set of pippy examples in both English and Spanish, based on the example code in the Commodore 64 user's manual (which taught me how to program, once upon a time). I've used this to teach programming with pippy in Peru. It's best if these are presented on a blackboard for the student to type in, not just clicked-through. --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
