Re: [IAEP] Sharing work between XOs/SOAS devices
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:30:22PM -0500, Gerald Ardito wrote: Hello all. As our 5th graders are doing more and more work with their XOs, their being able to turn in and share their work products (as opposed to collaborating with others) is becoming more and more important. My temporary solution is having them upload their work (along with reflections, if desired) to Moodle, which I can do because we have an XS implementation. However, this means that if a student has created a Memorize vocabulary game that s/he want to share s/he has to: 1. Create the game. 2. Save it to the Journal 3. Go to Browse 4. Navigate to Moodle 5. Find the right course/right assignment within the course 6. Upload game. S/he pretty much has to do the same thing to download and then play other games. This is certainly workable, but dramatically slows down the momentum of creating games and wanting others to play them. So, I am asking to create/offering to help create an Activity that allows users to share work products easily. I know that Bert was working on something called Distribute, which may be a starting place. It seems to share Journal objects, which seems right. I am happy to work with developers on this. I could create requirements, if need be. Just say the word. I look forward to what comes next. Thanks and best, Gerald What do you think about followed workflows, which is preferable 1) user, using search controls, minimize list of entries in Journal bookmark this entirely list(names it) share the whole list(bookmark) user can have several bookmarks other users see that 1st user shared some bookmarks and can open these bookmarks in theirs Journal(it could be separate icon like USB) (bookmarks could be useful not only for sharing) 2) there is no bookmarks user can share any object w/o bookmarking(e.g. by clicking star icon or so) other user see only one list of shared objects -- Aleksey ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sharing work between XOs/SOAS devices
Aleksey, I think option 1 is good. It keeps the favorites metaphor from elsewhere and allows for the sharing of multiple things at the same time. Thanks. Gerald On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:30:22PM -0500, Gerald Ardito wrote: Hello all. As our 5th graders are doing more and more work with their XOs, their being able to turn in and share their work products (as opposed to collaborating with others) is becoming more and more important. My temporary solution is having them upload their work (along with reflections, if desired) to Moodle, which I can do because we have an XS implementation. However, this means that if a student has created a Memorize vocabulary game that s/he want to share s/he has to: 1. Create the game. 2. Save it to the Journal 3. Go to Browse 4. Navigate to Moodle 5. Find the right course/right assignment within the course 6. Upload game. S/he pretty much has to do the same thing to download and then play other games. This is certainly workable, but dramatically slows down the momentum of creating games and wanting others to play them. So, I am asking to create/offering to help create an Activity that allows users to share work products easily. I know that Bert was working on something called Distribute, which may be a starting place. It seems to share Journal objects, which seems right. I am happy to work with developers on this. I could create requirements, if need be. Just say the word. I look forward to what comes next. Thanks and best, Gerald What do you think about followed workflows, which is preferable 1) user, using search controls, minimize list of entries in Journal bookmark this entirely list(names it) share the whole list(bookmark) user can have several bookmarks other users see that 1st user shared some bookmarks and can open these bookmarks in theirs Journal(it could be separate icon like USB) (bookmarks could be useful not only for sharing) 2) there is no bookmarks user can share any object w/o bookmarking(e.g. by clicking star icon or so) other user see only one list of shared objects -- Aleksey ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sharing work between XOs/SOAS devices
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 02:31:00PM -0500, Gerald Ardito wrote: Aleksey, I think option 1 is good. It keeps the favorites metaphor from elsewhere and allows for the sharing of multiple things at the same time. yeah, I also like 1st case, in fact I tried to implement it in Library-1 but at the end decided to do it in shell(and tried to propose it in two sucrose cycles), but now I'm sure such features should be done out or core, e.g. we can have short development cycle(since its only about implementation of one feature) and several implementation to choose right one. I'm going return to Library and we will have two sharing activities FileShare and Library-2. Thanks. Gerald On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 2:22 PM, Aleksey Lim alsr...@member.fsf.org wrote: On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 12:30:22PM -0500, Gerald Ardito wrote: Hello all. As our 5th graders are doing more and more work with their XOs, their being able to turn in and share their work products (as opposed to collaborating with others) is becoming more and more important. My temporary solution is having them upload their work (along with reflections, if desired) to Moodle, which I can do because we have an XS implementation. However, this means that if a student has created a Memorize vocabulary game that s/he want to share s/he has to: 1. Create the game. 2. Save it to the Journal 3. Go to Browse 4. Navigate to Moodle 5. Find the right course/right assignment within the course 6. Upload game. S/he pretty much has to do the same thing to download and then play other games. This is certainly workable, but dramatically slows down the momentum of creating games and wanting others to play them. So, I am asking to create/offering to help create an Activity that allows users to share work products easily. I know that Bert was working on something called Distribute, which may be a starting place. It seems to share Journal objects, which seems right. I am happy to work with developers on this. I could create requirements, if need be. Just say the word. I look forward to what comes next. Thanks and best, Gerald What do you think about followed workflows, which is preferable 1) user, using search controls, minimize list of entries in Journal bookmark this entirely list(names it) share the whole list(bookmark) user can have several bookmarks other users see that 1st user shared some bookmarks and can open these bookmarks in theirs Journal(it could be separate icon like USB) (bookmarks could be useful not only for sharing) 2) there is no bookmarks user can share any object w/o bookmarking(e.g. by clicking star icon or so) other user see only one list of shared objects -- Aleksey -- Aleksey ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sharing work between XOs/SOAS devices
On 15.12.2009, at 18:30, Gerald Ardito wrote: Hello all. As our 5th graders are doing more and more work with their XOs, their being able to turn in and share their work products (as opposed to collaborating with others) is becoming more and more important. My temporary solution is having them upload their work (along with reflections, if desired) to Moodle, which I can do because we have an XS implementation. However, this means that if a student has created a Memorize vocabulary game that s/he want to share s/he has to: 1. Create the game. 2. Save it to the Journal 3. Go to Browse 4. Navigate to Moodle 5. Find the right course/right assignment within the course 6. Upload game. S/he pretty much has to do the same thing to download and then play other games. This is certainly workable, but dramatically slows down the momentum of creating games and wanting others to play them. So, I am asking to create/offering to help create an Activity that allows users to share work products easily. I know that Bert was working on something called Distribute, which may be a starting place. It seems to share Journal objects, which seems right. That is Ben's activity, not mine: 2009/10/28 Benjamin M. Schwartz bmsch...@fas.harvard.edu: Bert Freudenberg wrote: The Distribute activity would be your best bet I guess. Where is it? http://dev.laptop.org/~bemasc/Distribute-1.xo Distribute is the barest prototype of a sharing activity, designed purely as a proof of concept. It is unmaintained, has essentially no user interface, and is not available in any language other than English. The code is a simplified derivative of the hackish HTTP-based sharing system from Read. Any attempts to revive it are welcome. This is the first time I've ever heard of anyone even attempting to use it. --Ben We got reports that it does indeed work, though I'm not aware of anyone starting to improve it. - Bert - I am happy to work with developers on this. I could create requirements, if need be. Just say the word. I look forward to what comes next. Thanks and best, Gerald ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Sharing work between XOs/SOAS devices
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 6:30 PM, Gerald Ardito gerald.ard...@gmail.com wrote: As our 5th graders are doing more and more work with their XOs, their being able to turn in and share their work products (as opposed to collaborating with others) is becoming more and more important. This is very high priority for me. At the moment I'm on leave, so please forgive brevity... deployments using XS/Moodle are in minority also so... - On 0.84/0.86 sharing Journal Entries via usb sticks just _does not work at all_. I have a patch for that on dev.l.o, posted recently here asking for review... (and then RL hit and I went on leave... but nobody's reviewed it :-/ ) - 0.84/0.82 cannot read Journal Entries saved on a USB stick by 0.82. This is serious as there is no sane upgrade path for the passionate committed teachers that have been putting work on their materials (upgrades in large deploymetns are done via reflash of the NAND, as olpc-update doesn't scale network-wise). I have an almost working patch for 0.84 to read JEs from 0.82, will try finish/post it soon. And I'll be begging for review on sugar-devel... - Now, re the workflow you describe when you have an XS, it is horrid. What I want to do ot make it simpler is... 1 - Teach the XS/Moodle about shared status of JEs or implement in Moodle a share this option; in both cases, it's for the files already saved automagically by the backup system. 2 - Make the backup UI more prominent, and also a UI of shared documents of my classmates 3 - Add in the Journal some option to force-a-backup-sync-now, or a very smart heuristic to do it in the background. Does the above help? m -- martin.langh...@gmail.com mar...@laptop.org -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
