Re: [IAEP] Tentative talk schedule: Nov 19
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 08:49, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 3:07 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does this schedule seem reasonable to others? (Esp. those I've pencilled in for talks?) If you are going to be in town, made a 9.1 proposal (or forgot to), and aren't listed above, let me know. There is a lot of interest about a talk on collaboration, Brendan offered to lead at least part of it. Perhaps we could make it a 2 hours slot on the other days, similar to Walter/Christian. Sorry, I'd originally left that out because we didn't have someone to lead it; I was a bit behind on my mail and didn't see Brendan's proposal/offer. Also, it seems like Yamandu will be attending; I'd missed his proposal in my original schedule as well. My current vague thinking is to group the less-technical learning-and-content-oriented talks (Yamandu's, OLE's presentation, and Chris/Michael's Uruguay report) on another day (Tuesday? Thursday? I'll have to sit down with Bernie again), and to add Yamandu-on-i18n to the i18n hour on Wed, if he'd like to make a 10-15min presentation. I think I can squeeze in 30 mins for collaboration on Wed if Brendan wants to make a formal proposal; if we all just want to sit down and brainstorm collaboration, then a 2 hour block on not-Wednesday sounds perfect. I was really hoping to get Morgs or Collabora to give a 'state of collaboration' talk to set the stage. Hopefully we can get that in January's meeting. Seeing as there will be some discussion anyway, I'll try to write up something to explain the current state of things and what we were hoping to achieve next. If there's a possibility of me participating by phone, and a slot before 3pm, I'd certainly like to join the discussion. My intention is more to set realistic expectations than plan future work, as our resources are rather constrained, and people who would need to be part of actual planning won't be there. Regards Morgan ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Tentative talk schedule: Nov 19
A couple of points. * This is a Sugar Labs organized conference, OLPC specific stuff is not appropriate for it. XOcamp is in January. I edited the wiki accordingly, both the talks and the schedule. * Please don't do planning on the agenda during closed, in person meetings. #sugar-meeting is the right place to do planning. Looking forward for a day/time for a meeting there. Thanks! Marco ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Tentative talk schedule: Nov 19
what the hell? i don't think it's productive to separate olpc and sugarlabs in this fashion. the whole point of this was *joint* discussion/planning! and i also resent the implication that this was closed-door planning. i posted a *proposed* schedule. we're discussing it here *in public*. i found this email a tremendous step backwards. let's continue *together*, shall we? i'm a member of sugarlabs, as well as an employee of olpc -- just like you and tomeu are. --scott On 11/13/08, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A couple of points. * This is a Sugar Labs organized conference, OLPC specific stuff is not appropriate for it. XOcamp is in January. I edited the wiki accordingly, both the talks and the schedule. * Please don't do planning on the agenda during closed, in person meetings. #sugar-meeting is the right place to do planning. Looking forward for a day/time for a meeting there. Thanks! Marco -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Tentative talk schedule: Nov 19
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 7:35 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: what the hell? i don't think it's productive to separate olpc and sugarlabs in this fashion. Personally I think the way you keep to couple them is *extremely* confusing. Red Hat people certainly participates to GNOME conferences, but don't go there to talk about their build system! I hope we will have a chance to discuss Sugar Labs mission and relation to OLPC in person, we need to sync up because right now I think we have a very different vision about it. the whole point of this was *joint* discussion/planning! That was the point of XOCamp, which has been delayed to January. and i also resent the implication that this was closed-door planning. i posted a *proposed* schedule. we're discussing it here *in public*. I'm mostly fine with Wednesday proposal. I would like the discussion about the rest of the day to be more open than you and Bernie sitting down somewhere, like your mail seemed to imply. As Greg proposed, I'd prefer if we just gave the speakers a way to fill in the slots on the wiki. i found this email a tremendous step backwards. let's continue *together*, shall we? i'm a member of sugarlabs, as well as an employee of olpc -- just like you and tomeu are. I expressed my opinion. I'm happy to do a step back and let people like Greg, with much more experience then me about conferences, take the lead. I certainly want to keep working together and my mail was an attempt to improve the way we do. Marco ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Tentative talk schedule: Nov 19
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 9:07 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... lots of interesting things... I'm very happy that the Sugar folks are in town -- under whatever alibi -- and I'm keen on meeting, having a beer together and perhaps talking a few technical things too ;-) After all, we've been collaborating for almost a year now, and I don't know your faces. There are a few things I'm interested in talking about so I'll try to use my slot (and the many beer rounds) for that. The xocamp later will be another chance to talk about them more formally, but perhaps we can have a quick overview of - Repeated automagic registration - so updated registration data (with perhaps more bits of data) reaches the XS. - Manually triggered actions from the control panel - re-registration, ds-backup - Browse.xo automagic authentication against XS. Also - automagic proxy config with PAC files, etc. - Service announcement (plain old DNS, mdns, avahi, carrier pigeons) - so activity and OS updates work better - How I learned to stop worrying and love ejabberd's mod_roster facilities (group handling between XS and XO) As you can see, it's fairly concrete stuff. There are a couple of blue-sky areas you can probably drag me into - - extended journal using the backup storage from the XS. - General Journal / Project diary magic UI voodoo. Now, if we can talk about at least some of these things in a parenthesis -- avoiding all the distractions -- let's do it. Otherwise, I'm happy to just have a beer with you. Let's make the most of what we have. And apologies for not sending this earlier -- cheers, m -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- School Server Architect - ask interesting questions - don't get distracted with shiny stuff - working code first - http://wiki.laptop.org/go/User:Martinlanghoff ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] Tentative talk schedule: Nov 19
In the interest of trying to make room for the unexpected around the Nov 17 G1G1 launch, I've tried to compress most of the technical talks into a single day, Wed. Nov 19. There will be plenty of flex time during the rest of the week to get to topics not covered, delve in depth, or try to hack out some prototypes. I've identified four big issues in the list of http://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugarcamp#Proposals -- ideas that have more than one speaker willing to address them -- and assigned them an hour each. The rest of the time I've grouped by person, assigning each person 30 minutes (I recommend 20 for talk, 10 for questions). I will leave it to the individual person whether they will chose to present a single one of their proposals in that time, compress all of their proposals to fit, or deed some of their time to some other proposal quite deserves more. I encourage those who will be present to lobby your favorite speakers to ensure that your favorite topic will be addressed. Refer to [[Sugarcamp#Proposals]] for details on the talks each person listed below has proposed. Wednesday: 10am: Desktop legacy compatibility. (Marco, C. Scott, possibly Saymindu by phone?) 11am: Eben Eliason / Ed Cherlin. 12pm - 2pm: lunch. 2pm: Community. (Mel Chua / Greg DeK) 3pm: Martin Langhoff / Chris Ball 4pm: Internationalization (Marco, C. Scott, possibly Saymindu by phone and/or cjb on language learning) 5pm - 7pm: dinner. 7pm: Marco / Michael Stone 8pm: C. Scott / Tomeu 9pm: Infrastructure (Bernie, Michael Stone) There are so many excellent talks that were proposed. I hope that this schedule, although compressed, encourages us to take the time to make our talks short (Je n'ai fait celle-ci plus longue que parce que je n'ai pas eu le loisir de la faire plus courte., Blaise Pascal, http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Pascal). There is time during the rest of the week to expand on our points and give the talks that don't fit on Wednesday. (Also, I hope we use the lunch and dinner time for good networking, discussion, and beer.) Does this schedule seem reasonable to others? (Esp. those I've pencilled in for talks?) If you are going to be in town, made a 9.1 proposal (or forgot to), and aren't listed above, let me know. --scott ps. I apologize for the late planning on this; things have been pretty crazy. -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Tentative talk schedule: Nov 19
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 9:07 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does this schedule seem reasonable to others? (Esp. those I've pencilled in for talks?) If you are going to be in town, made a 9.1 proposal (or forgot to), and aren't listed above, let me know. I should have also included the information that Walter will be giving his 'Portfolio' talk at 9am on Friday. Just in case anyone was wondering about his absence from the above schedule. Oh, and we'll do our best to get all of these talks recorded, digitized, and posted for anyone not present (or enjoying an overly-leisurely lunch, say). --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Tentative talk schedule: Nov 19
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 8:11 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 9:07 PM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does this schedule seem reasonable to others? (Esp. those I've pencilled in for talks?) If you are going to be in town, made a 9.1 proposal (or forgot to), and aren't listed above, let me know. I should have also included the information that Walter will be giving his 'Portfolio' talk at 9am on Friday. Just in case anyone was wondering about his absence from the above schedule. Oh, and we'll do our best to get all of these talks recorded, digitized, and posted for anyone not present (or enjoying an overly-leisurely lunch, say). --scott scott It looks like Bernie start a on-line schedule at http://sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Sugarcamp thanks david ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Tentative talk schedule: Nov 19
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 3:07 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 4pm: Internationalization (Marco, C. Scott, possibly Saymindu by phone and/or cjb on language learning) I'm not giving talks about i18n :) Marco ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Tentative talk schedule: Nov 19
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 9:18 PM, David Farning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It looks like Bernie start a on-line schedule at http://sugarlabs.org/go/Talk:Sugarcamp Yes, Bernie and I are working together on this. I just thought I'd post a proposal to the list in general to find out if I'm totally smoking crack before we finish scheduling the rest of the week. --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Tentative talk schedule: Nov 19
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 9:29 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 3:07 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 4pm: Internationalization (Marco, C. Scott, possibly Saymindu by phone and/or cjb on language learning) I'm not giving talks about i18n :) By golly, you're right. Well, that gives me a little slack in the schedule perhaps to use to fix whatever else I've got wrong. ;-) --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Tentative talk schedule: Nov 19
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:03 AM, Samuel Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope there are gobby sessions for all events, and that they are more brainstorming and writing than presentation and recording video. No. Wednesday talks are well-structured, compressed data, idea, open question and prototype dumps. Brainstorming is scheduled for Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Tentative talk schedule: Nov 19
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 9:50 PM, Marco Pesenti Gritti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 3:07 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does this schedule seem reasonable to others? (Esp. those I've pencilled in for talks?) If you are going to be in town, made a 9.1 proposal (or forgot to), and aren't listed above, let me know. There is a lot of interest about a talk on collaboration, Brendan offered to lead at least part of it. Perhaps we could make it a 2 hours slot on the other days, similar to Walter/Christian. Sorry, I'd originally left that out because we didn't have someone to lead it; I was a bit behind on my mail and didn't see Brendan's proposal/offer. Also, it seems like Yamandu will be attending; I'd missed his proposal in my original schedule as well. My current vague thinking is to group the less-technical learning-and-content-oriented talks (Yamandu's, OLE's presentation, and Chris/Michael's Uruguay report) on another day (Tuesday? Thursday? I'll have to sit down with Bernie again), and to add Yamandu-on-i18n to the i18n hour on Wed, if he'd like to make a 10-15min presentation. I think I can squeeze in 30 mins for collaboration on Wed if Brendan wants to make a formal proposal; if we all just want to sit down and brainstorm collaboration, then a 2 hour block on not-Wednesday sounds perfect. I was really hoping to get Morgs or Collabora to give a 'state of collaboration' talk to set the stage. Hopefully we can get that in January's meeting. Keep the comments coming -- it seems that no one is completely appalled by the idea of cramming all the technical talks into one day? If this level of non-dissent continues, Bernie and I will pencil in Wed as 'technical talk day' on the wiki, and folks can start adding details for their talks, trading talk slots, etc. --scott -- ( http://cscott.net/ ) ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] Tentative talk schedule: Nov 19
On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 1:39 AM, C. Scott Ananian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 12:03 AM, Samuel Klein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I hope there are gobby sessions for all events, and that they are more brainstorming and writing than presentation and recording video. No. Wednesday talks are well-structured, compressed data, idea, open question and prototype dumps. Ok. I hope there are gobby sessions for all events, well-structured compressed data events as well as for brainstorming. Brainstorming is scheduled for Monday, Tuesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Lovely. SJ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
