Re: [IAEP] Why #sugar should be logged - a plug for transparency and ease of use.

2010-01-12 Thread Tim McNamara
2010/1/13 Jeff Elkner j...@elkner.net

  It would like to make most of these conversations available to the
 rest of the community, but I don't have the time to log and publish
 them myself.

 +1 for a log bot


 Is there a good reason why we don't auto log the channel?

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Re: [IAEP] Why #sugar should be logged - a plug for transparency and ease of use.

2010-01-12 Thread Luke Faraone
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 17:54, Jeff Elkner j...@elkner.net wrote:

 Is there a good reason why we don't auto log the channel?


We've talked this subject practically to death. See
http://www.mail-archive.com/iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org/msg06656.html. (hint:
the thread you want is
herehttp://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/iaep/2009-February/thread.html#3828
)

Consensus has been no for a variety of reasons, which would be redundant
to enumerate here once again.

We already log meetings http://meeting.sugarlabs.org/ in #sugar-meeting,
but the policy for #sugar is against it.

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Re: [IAEP] Why #sugar should be logged - a plug for transparency and ease of use.

2010-01-12 Thread Dave Bauer
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Jeff Elkner j...@elkner.net wrote:

 Hi All,

 II have two personality quirks that often get in my way: I have a
 great deal of trouble multitasking, and I would loose my head were it
 not attached to my shoulders.  What I need from a computer are tools
 that complement my limitations, and help me be more productive.  irc
 can be such a tool, particularly in combination with logging.

 I'm a regular user on #schooltool.  I go there to ask questions about
 schooltool, and participate there in on-line meetings about the
 development of schooltool.  I don't worry about trying to take notes
 or record what happens on the channel, that all happens
 *automatically*.  If I think later... Oh, yeah, we discussed that
 back in the first week in October.  No problem, just go here:
 http://schooltool.pov.lt/irclogs/ and look through the dates around
 the time I remember the meeting happening.

 I was surprised to find out that there was no logging on #sugar, and
 it keeps me from wanting to hold any real discussions on the channel.
 I go there to find if folks are around, then ask them to meet me on
 google talk, so that I can automatically get a log of what we discuss.
  It would like to make most of these conversations available to the
 rest of the community, but I don't have the time to log and publish
 them myself.

 Is there a good reason why we don't auto log the channel?


Apparenly it was discussed. Some people do not like publicly available logs.
I log all my IRC channels locally. This is handy because I can use desktop
search to find something. I can't point someone else to them, but I suppose
I could email part of it to someone.

Dave


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Re: [IAEP] Why #sugar should be logged - a plug for transparency and ease of use.

2010-01-12 Thread Jeff Elkner
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 8:01 PM, Dave Bauer dave.ba...@gmail.com wrote:
 Apparenly it was discussed. Some people do not like publicly available logs.
 I log all my IRC channels locally. This is handy because I can use desktop
 search to find something. I can't point someone else to them, but I suppose
 I could email part of it to someone.

 Dave

I'm glad logging locally works for you, Dave, but it doesn't work for
me.  I really need less things to do, not more ;-)

On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 7:44 PM, Luke Faraone l...@faraone.cc wrote:
 Is there a good reason why we don't auto log the channel?

 We've talked this subject practically to death.
 See http://www.mail-archive.com/iaep@lists.sugarlabs.org/msg06656.html.
 (hint: the thread you want is here)
 Consensus has been no for a variety of reasons, which would be redundant
 to enumerate here once again.
 We already log meetings in #sugar-meeting, but the policy for #sugar is
 against it.

Can I just use #sugar-meeting, then, instead of #sugar?  That would work for me.
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Re: [IAEP] Why #sugar should be logged - a plug for transparency and ease of use.

2010-01-12 Thread Luke Faraone
On Tue, Jan 12, 2010 at 21:25, Jeff Elkner j...@elkner.net wrote:

 Can I just use #sugar-meeting, then, instead of #sugar?  That would work
 for me.


#sugar-meeting is for just that, meetings. Things outside of meetings are
not recorded.


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