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Re: [IAEP] XOCamp fundraising (and, please sign up to donate)

2008-12-18 Thread Jameson Quinn

I was just about to write a guest post edit...@olpcnews.com for
OLPCNewshttp://www.olpcnews.com/contribute.htmlasking for (tax
deductible) contributions towards the travel scholarship
fund for XOCamp. But when I asked on IRC if anybody had any good photos of
Sugarcamp to include, they told me to wait, because SJ s...@laptop.org has
to move the fundraising
pagehttp://wiki.laptop.org/go/XOcamp_2/Fundraising#Donationsoff of
the OLPC wiki (for tax reasons or something). I wanted to get this
done ASAP because time is growing short, but I'm going to the country
(offline) until Monday or Tuesday.

So: if anybody can take on the task of waiting until the page is moved, then
*writing a fundraising post to OLPCNews*, I'd really appreciate it, and so
would the rest of the people who are looking for partial travel
scholarships. There's applications from Guatemala, where exciting things are
happening and 3000 XOs will be arriving next year; from Uruguay, where
Proyecto Ceibal is now the organization with more experience in XO
deployment than anyone else; and from Denmark, to help with packaging
issues; and more applications are expected. All donations are tax
deductible, going through sugarlabs.

Thanks,
Jameson

On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote:

On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote:
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On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 04:19:54PM -0600, Jameson Quinn wrote:
It's getting to be time to buy tickets for XOCamp 2, which is in under
a month now. Those of us who'd like to come from far away would love to
know whether we can get some financial support for our journey.

I am wondering: Do you guys think it would be relevant for me to
participate in this?

I mean, I don't develop activities themselves and am not a
construcionism theorist. I just do packaging for Debian an Debian-edu,
and do what I can to unite the Sugar packaging efforts of .deb based
distros.

I do not foubt that I am welcome. Question is more if you imagine that
it would be beneficial for the project - also as I would like to request
financial support for my travel costs (I live in Denmark).

Your presence would be highly beneficial. We have been having serious
packaging problems. I don't know how they differ between distros, but
I feel the lack every day on Ubuntu.

I can offer to stay longer in the area, before and/or after the event,
if anyone would find that beneficial.

- Jonas

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Re: [IAEP] XOCamp fundraising (and, please sign up to donate)

2008-12-18 Thread Edward Cherlin

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 8:32 AM, Jameson Quinn jameson.qu...@gmail.com wrote:
I was just about to write a guest post for OLPCNews asking for (tax
deductible) contributions towards the travel scholarship fund for XOCamp.
But when I asked on IRC if anybody had any good photos of Sugarcamp to
include, they told me to wait, because SJ has to move the fundraising page
off of the OLPC wiki (for tax reasons or something).

I don't understand. SJ, can you explain? Where will the page move to?

I wanted to get this
done ASAP because time is growing short, but I'm going to the country
(offline) until Monday or Tuesday.

I was getting ready to write such an article anyway, so you're on.

There's applications from Guatemala, where exciting things are
happening and 3000 XOs will be arriving next year; from Uruguay, where
Proyecto Ceibal is now the organization with more experience in XO
deployment than anyone else; and from Denmark, to help with packaging
issues; and more applications are expected. All donations are tax
deductible, going through sugarlabs.

I want to invite some partners from Africa, as well.

We need more money than we are going to get from individual donations.
Does anybody have an idea for a corporate sponsor, or other funding
possibilities? Several companies put in a million dollars each to get
OLPC started. How about a few thousand here and there to speed up
actual deployments and make them more effective?

Thanks,
Jameson

On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote:

On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote:
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I am wondering: Do you guys think it would be relevant for me to
participate in this?

Your presence would be highly beneficial. We have been having serious
packaging problems. I don't know how they differ between distros, but
I feel the lack every day on Ubuntu.

I can offer to stay longer in the area, before and/or after the event,
if anyone would find that beneficial.

- Jonas

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Re: [IAEP] XOCamp fundraising (and, please sign up to donate)

2008-12-18 Thread Samuel Klein

Please don't wait. Draft the post, and point to [[sugar:XOCamp 2]]
where I'll put the details. SJ

On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Jameson Quinn jameson.qu...@gmail.com wrote:
I was just about to write a guest post for OLPCNews asking for (tax
deductible) contributions towards the travel scholarship fund for XOCamp.
But when I asked on IRC if anybody had any good photos of Sugarcamp to
include, they told me to wait, because SJ has to move the fundraising page
off of the OLPC wiki (for tax reasons or something). I wanted to get this
done ASAP because time is growing short, but I'm going to the country
(offline) until Monday or Tuesday.

So: if anybody can take on the task of waiting until the page is moved, then
writing a fundraising post to OLPCNews, I'd really appreciate it, and so
would the rest of the people who are looking for partial travel
scholarships. There's applications from Guatemala, where exciting things are
happening and 3000 XOs will be arriving next year; from Uruguay, where
Proyecto Ceibal is now the organization with more experience in XO
deployment than anyone else; and from Denmark, to help with packaging
issues; and more applications are expected. All donations are tax
deductible, going through sugarlabs.

Thanks,
Jameson

On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 10:02 PM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote:

On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote:
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I am wondering: Do you guys think it would be relevant for me to
participate in this?

Your presence would be highly beneficial. We have been having serious
packaging problems. I don't know how they differ between distros, but
I feel the lack every day on Ubuntu.

I can offer to stay longer in the area, before and/or after the event,
if anyone would find that beneficial.

- Jonas

- --
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* Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/

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[IAEP] XOCamp fundraising (and, please sign up to donate)

2008-12-15 Thread Jameson Quinn

It's getting to be time to buy tickets for XOCamp 2, which is in under a
month now. Those of us who'd like to come from far away would love to know
whether we can get some financial support for our journey. However,
the relevant
wiki page http://wiki.laptop.org/go/XOcamp_2/Fundraising is somewhat
out-of-date. When I asked today on IRC:

[13:45] cscott yes, but both SL and OLPC have issues with actually being
the coordinating party; there are tax implications
[13:45] cscott it might even be best if someone not affiliated took on the
coordination
[13:46] cscott poke bernie hard about it; he's a little more empowered to
act on behalf of SL than I am to act on behalf of OLPC
[13:46] cscott and i'm sure that if you volunteer to help w/ the
coordination, it would be appreciated

So bernie, consider this a hard poke. Others who'd be willing to donate,
consider this a request to add your pledge to the wiki page. Anyone outside
SL/OLPC but inside the US who can do the actual money coordination (funnel
money through checks and/or paypal, devote some time to handling the issues
involved) please step forward. And in general, this is also me volunteering
to take some tasks: if someone will explain to me how the money part works,
I would be happy to do a fundraising post for OLPC News, to blog it on the
planet, to keep the wiki up-to-date, and/or to be in charge of contacting
people.

As for a mechanism for distribution, I propose the following. 50% of the
money would be divided equally between applicants, and 50% would be divided
proportional to any remaining travel costs. We can also ask people for whom
it is not the single primary reason for the trip to please take only half of
the money. I think that anybody who's going to come to Boston specifically
to attend XOCamp, from more than 500 miles away, should be funded, whether
or not they are signed up as speakers. I don't see enough benefit in trying
to divide people by merit or need for it to be worth the drama. (And I say
this as an applicant who's about average in most regards; I can't even think
of any plausible proposal that would benefit me specifically).

Cheers,
Jameson
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Re: [IAEP] XOCamp fundraising (and, please sign up to donate)

2008-12-15 Thread Jameson Quinn

OK. It seems that Sugar Labs is willing to receive
donationshttp://sugarlabs.org/go/Sugar_Labs/Donateto the travel
fund. That would make such donations
*tax-deductible*. I also got a couple of +1's to my 50/50 disbursement plan:
half the money split equally, half of it split proportionally to remaining
direct travel expenses (ie, plane/bus/train tickets). I am also taking the
liberty of assuming that people can put up the money and then get reimbursed
at the event. If I'm wrong -- if there is anybody who cannot afford to buy a
ticket, but could with some help -- please respond to me *soon*.

There are currently $3150 of pledges and
donationshttp://wiki.laptop.org/go/XOcamp_2/Fundraising#Donationson
OLPC's wiki. There are 6 requests for funds there, and one other that
I
know of (aa, that's you). Average travel cost is currently around $685.
Let's say that there will be 9 people receiving partial travel scholarships,
and that the average travel cost will stay about the same (aa's expensive
Uruguay flight and two cheap domestic ones). That would mean that the
average subsidy would be about $350, or $175 + 1/3 of remaining costs. I
suspect that these are relatively conservative assumptions, so you can
reasonably hope for more, but you should not, of course, absolutely rely on
even this much. This prospect is clear enough to make the difference for me;
I can't really afford full price, but hoping for this I will buy my ticket
soon.

I think that since Sugar Labs is willing to take tax-deductible
contributions for this, it should be relatively easy to fundraise another
couple of thousand dollars, which would leave participants paying at most a
small amount without too much risk of having money left over to refund to
people.* If anybody reading this is a regular contributor to OLPC news*,
that would be a good place for us to ask for money; if nobody steps forward,
I guess I'll do that next week. Also, fundraise with your organizations if
possible - any first-world organizations which care about sugar should be
able to add a few hundred to the pot.

Please, anybody making a donation for this purpose, note it on the wiki
(link above) with the words donated to Sugarlabs. Otherwise, the donation
will just get lumped in with other sugarlabs donations.

Have I missed anything?

Jameson

On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 5:11 PM, David Farning dfarn...@sugarlabs.orgwrote:

 On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 4:19 PM, Jameson Quinn jameson.qu...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  It's getting to be time to buy tickets for XOCamp 2, which is in under a
  month now. Those of us who'd like to come from far away would love to
 know
  whether we can get some financial support for our journey. However, the
  relevant wiki page is somewhat out-of-date. When I asked today on IRC:
 
  [13:45] cscott yes, but both SL and OLPC have issues with actually
 being
  the coordinating party; there are tax implications
  [13:45] cscott it might even be best if someone not affiliated took on
 the
  coordination
  [13:46] cscott poke bernie hard about it; he's a little more empowered
 to
  act on behalf of SL than I am to act on behalf of OLPC
  [13:46] cscott and i'm sure that if you volunteer to help w/ the
  coordination, it would be appreciated
 
  So bernie, consider this a hard poke. Others who'd be willing to donate,
  consider this a request to add your pledge to the wiki page. Anyone
 outside
  SL/OLPC but inside the US who can do the actual money coordination
 (funnel
  money through checks and/or paypal, devote some time to handling the
 issues
  involved) please step forward. And in general, this is also me
 volunteering
  to take some tasks: if someone will explain to me how the money part
 works,
  I would be happy to do a fundraising post for OLPC News, to blog it on
 the
  planet, to keep the wiki up-to-date, and/or to be in charge of contacting
  people.

 Thanks for stepping up!  You are now the official point of contact for
 Sugar Labs at the up coming event:)

 Some thoughts. Sugar Labs held SugarCamp last month.  At that event
 Sugar Labs struggled with many of its hard problems.  I expect that
 OLPC will be looking at some of its hard problems this time around.  A
 full week of hard problems is really long.

 From an SL point of view let's turn this into a fun community
 engagement event.  In stead of talks, let have work shops and work
 sessions were we focus on engaging the community.  Then, we will be
 freshed enough to listen or participate in OLPC talks that pertain to
 us.

 I can help you through the Sugar Labs stuff.  Paul Frields, of Fedora
 Fame, will be the best resource on how to run a successful event.

 david

  As for a mechanism for distribution, I propose the following. 50% of the
  money would be divided equally between applicants, and 50% would be
 divided
  proportional to any remaining travel costs. We can also ask people for
 whom
  it is not the single primary reason for the trip to please take only half
 of
  the money. I think

Re: [IAEP] XOCamp fundraising (and, please sign up to donate)

2008-12-15 Thread Jameson Quinn


 
  As for a mechanism for distribution, I propose the following. 50% of the
  money would be divided equally between applicants, and 50% would be
 divided
  proportional to any remaining travel costs.

 I would just pay all travel costs and food and be done with it, and
 see about some sort of low-cost, close-together group lodging, except
 for people who can find free crash space and prefer that. What else do
 people need? Anybody know of a big house we could take over? With good
 bandwidth?


Obviously, if we have enough money, we pay all travel costs, and any extra
goes to Sugarlabs. My proposal was what to do if there isn't enough money.
If we had $600 and two people came for $400 and $800, my system would give
them $350 and $550 and they would pay $50 and $250 out of pocket. This
system is proposed as the average of the possible fair proposals (even split
and proportional split). It is explicitly intended to be nobody's first
choice, even mine (I'd go proportional), so as to presuppose an attitude of
compromise.
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Re: [IAEP] XOCamp fundraising (and, please sign up to donate)

2008-12-15 Thread Jonas Smedegaard

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On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 04:19:54PM -0600, Jameson Quinn wrote:
It's getting to be time to buy tickets for XOCamp 2, which is in under 
a month now. Those of us who'd like to come from far away would love to 
know whether we can get some financial support for our journey.

I am wondering: Do you guys think it would be relevant for me to 
participate in this?

I mean, I don't develop activities themselves and am not a 
construcionism theorist. I just do packaging for Debian an Debian-edu, 
and do what I can to unite the Sugar packaging efforts of .deb based 
distros.

I do not foubt that I am welcome. Question is more if you imagine that 
it would be beneficial for the project - also as I would like to request 
financial support for my travel costs (I live in Denmark).

I can offer to stay longer in the area, before and/or after the event, 
if anyone would find that beneficial.


- Jonas

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Re: [IAEP] XOCamp fundraising (and, please sign up to donate)

2008-12-15 Thread Edward Cherlin

On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 7:51 PM, Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk wrote:
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 On Mon, Dec 15, 2008 at 04:19:54PM -0600, Jameson Quinn wrote:
It's getting to be time to buy tickets for XOCamp 2, which is in under
a month now. Those of us who'd like to come from far away would love to
know whether we can get some financial support for our journey.

 I am wondering: Do you guys think it would be relevant for me to
 participate in this?

 I mean, I don't develop activities themselves and am not a
 construcionism theorist. I just do packaging for Debian an Debian-edu,
 and do what I can to unite the Sugar packaging efforts of .deb based
 distros.

 I do not foubt that I am welcome. Question is more if you imagine that
 it would be beneficial for the project - also as I would like to request
 financial support for my travel costs (I live in Denmark).

Your presence would be highly beneficial. We have been having serious
packaging problems. I don't know how they differ between distros, but
I feel the lack every day on Ubuntu.

 I can offer to stay longer in the area, before and/or after the event,
 if anyone would find that beneficial.


- Jonas

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