Re: [IAEP] deployment feedback (was Re: [Sugar-devel] GPA ain't the world (was: [Sugar-news] Sugar Digest 2009-08-11))
Walter Bender schrieb: > On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Christoph > Derndorfer wrote: >> Walter Bender schrieb: >>> On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Christoph >>> Derndorfer wrote: Tomeu Vizoso schrieb: > On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 03:39, Raul Gutierrez Segales > wrote: >> On Thu, 2009-08-13 at 15:06 -0400, Walter Bender wrote: >>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 2:17 PM, David Van >>> Assche wrote: >>> [snip] Or are you saying the feedback is getting through and I'm just not seeing it? >>> We all seem to agree that feedback is important. >>> >>> We mostly agree that there is value in feedback from all deployments, >>> big and small. >>> >>> We are currently getting valuable feedback from the field: Sur, the >>> Ceibal blogs, reports from Nepal, Greg's reports from GPA, et al. >>> >>> We need more feedback and therefore we are exploring additional means >>> of getting it. You ideas are welcome! >>> >> Perhaps a section in Sugar Digest with links to highlights of what went >> on in deployments during the week? > Sounds like a great idea to me. Yes, this is indeed a great idea! >>> In order to implement this idea, I need feedback from the field >>> (Catch-22?) >> I think bug #1128 "Remove "Erase" and "Remove favorite" Activity palette >> entries from Home favorite view" (http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1128) is a >> pretty good example of feedback repeatedly coming from the field (in this >> case even from 2 or 3 different people and places), being turned into a >> bug-report, subsequently being discussed (the current stage) and then being >> fixed in time for the next release. >> >> IMHO that is a clear, albeit very simple, demonstration of how things can >> and potentially (if found acceptable for all participants) should work. >> >> Christoph > > Agreed. As an activity developer, I've also gotten lots of similar > feedback from users and deployments. (Trying to keep up with the > flood... but the more requests I get, the easier it is to prioritize.) That's a really good point, we should make it clear that the feedback isn't only important to the underlying Sugar base but especially also to individual activity developers (also in the form of motivation as in "wow, a classroom in country x is actually using the code I wrote. cool!:-). I think the example you mentioned last week about using integers instead of floats in TurtleArts is a perfect tale to illustrate that. Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] deployment feedback (was Re: [Sugar-devel] GPA ain't the world (was: [Sugar-news] Sugar Digest 2009-08-11))
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 11:54 AM, Christoph Derndorfer wrote: > Walter Bender schrieb: >> >> On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Christoph >> Derndorfer wrote: >>> >>> Tomeu Vizoso schrieb: On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 03:39, Raul Gutierrez Segales wrote: > > On Thu, 2009-08-13 at 15:06 -0400, Walter Bender wrote: >> >> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 2:17 PM, David Van >> Assche wrote: >> [snip] >>> >>> Or are you saying the feedback is getting through and I'm just not >>> seeing >>> it? >> >> We all seem to agree that feedback is important. >> >> We mostly agree that there is value in feedback from all deployments, >> big and small. >> >> We are currently getting valuable feedback from the field: Sur, the >> Ceibal blogs, reports from Nepal, Greg's reports from GPA, et al. >> >> We need more feedback and therefore we are exploring additional means >> of getting it. You ideas are welcome! >> > Perhaps a section in Sugar Digest with links to highlights of what went > on in deployments during the week? Sounds like a great idea to me. >>> >>> Yes, this is indeed a great idea! >> >> In order to implement this idea, I need feedback from the field >> (Catch-22?) > > I think bug #1128 "Remove "Erase" and "Remove favorite" Activity palette > entries from Home favorite view" (http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1128) is a > pretty good example of feedback repeatedly coming from the field (in this > case even from 2 or 3 different people and places), being turned into a > bug-report, subsequently being discussed (the current stage) and then being > fixed in time for the next release. > > IMHO that is a clear, albeit very simple, demonstration of how things can > and potentially (if found acceptable for all participants) should work. > > Christoph Agreed. As an activity developer, I've also gotten lots of similar feedback from users and deployments. (Trying to keep up with the flood... but the more requests I get, the easier it is to prioritize.) > -- > Christoph Derndorfer > co-editor, olpcnews > url: www.olpcnews.com > e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com > -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] deployment feedback (was Re: [Sugar-devel] GPA ain't the world (was: [Sugar-news] Sugar Digest 2009-08-11))
Walter Bender schrieb: > On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Christoph > Derndorfer wrote: >> Tomeu Vizoso schrieb: >>> On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 03:39, Raul Gutierrez Segales >>> wrote: On Thu, 2009-08-13 at 15:06 -0400, Walter Bender wrote: > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 2:17 PM, David Van Assche > wrote: > [snip] >> Or are you saying the feedback is getting through and I'm just not seeing >> it? > We all seem to agree that feedback is important. > > We mostly agree that there is value in feedback from all deployments, > big and small. > > We are currently getting valuable feedback from the field: Sur, the > Ceibal blogs, reports from Nepal, Greg's reports from GPA, et al. > > We need more feedback and therefore we are exploring additional means > of getting it. You ideas are welcome! > Perhaps a section in Sugar Digest with links to highlights of what went on in deployments during the week? >>> Sounds like a great idea to me. >> Yes, this is indeed a great idea! > > In order to implement this idea, I need feedback from the field (Catch-22?) I think bug #1128 "Remove "Erase" and "Remove favorite" Activity palette entries from Home favorite view" (http://dev.sugarlabs.org/ticket/1128) is a pretty good example of feedback repeatedly coming from the field (in this case even from 2 or 3 different people and places), being turned into a bug-report, subsequently being discussed (the current stage) and then being fixed in time for the next release. IMHO that is a clear, albeit very simple, demonstration of how things can and potentially (if found acceptable for all participants) should work. Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] deployment feedback (was Re: [Sugar-devel] GPA ain't the world (was: [Sugar-news] Sugar Digest 2009-08-11))
On Mon, Aug 17, 2009 at 17:32, Walter Bender wrote: > On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Christoph > Derndorfer wrote: >> Tomeu Vizoso schrieb: >>> On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 03:39, Raul Gutierrez Segales >>> wrote: On Thu, 2009-08-13 at 15:06 -0400, Walter Bender wrote: > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 2:17 PM, David Van Assche > wrote: > [snip] >> Or are you saying the feedback is getting through and I'm just not seeing >> it? > We all seem to agree that feedback is important. > > We mostly agree that there is value in feedback from all deployments, > big and small. > > We are currently getting valuable feedback from the field: Sur, the > Ceibal blogs, reports from Nepal, Greg's reports from GPA, et al. > > We need more feedback and therefore we are exploring additional means > of getting it. You ideas are welcome! > Perhaps a section in Sugar Digest with links to highlights of what went on in deployments during the week? >>> >>> Sounds like a great idea to me. >> >> Yes, this is indeed a great idea! > > In order to implement this idea, I need feedback from the field (Catch-22?) I think Nepal and Paraguay would be willing to provide weekly news? Any Boston pilots? Hernan for Peru? Maybe Oceania? If we start with the ones that are already participating in the community, may be easier to get th eothers to jump in. Regards, Tomeu -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] deployment feedback (was Re: [Sugar-devel] GPA ain't the world (was: [Sugar-news] Sugar Digest 2009-08-11))
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 11:55 PM, Christoph Derndorfer wrote: > Tomeu Vizoso schrieb: >> On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 03:39, Raul Gutierrez Segales >> wrote: >>> On Thu, 2009-08-13 at 15:06 -0400, Walter Bender wrote: On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 2:17 PM, David Van Assche wrote: [snip] > Or are you saying the feedback is getting through and I'm just not seeing > it? We all seem to agree that feedback is important. We mostly agree that there is value in feedback from all deployments, big and small. We are currently getting valuable feedback from the field: Sur, the Ceibal blogs, reports from Nepal, Greg's reports from GPA, et al. We need more feedback and therefore we are exploring additional means of getting it. You ideas are welcome! >>> Perhaps a section in Sugar Digest with links to highlights of what went >>> on in deployments during the week? >> >> Sounds like a great idea to me. > > Yes, this is indeed a great idea! In order to implement this idea, I need feedback from the field (Catch-22?) -walter -- Walter Bender Sugar Labs http://www.sugarlabs.org ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] deployment feedback (was Re: [Sugar-devel] GPA ain't the world (was: [Sugar-news] Sugar Digest 2009-08-11))
Tomeu Vizoso schrieb: > On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 03:39, Raul Gutierrez Segales > wrote: >> On Thu, 2009-08-13 at 15:06 -0400, Walter Bender wrote: >>> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 2:17 PM, David Van Assche >>> wrote: >>> [snip] Or are you saying the feedback is getting through and I'm just not seeing it? >>> We all seem to agree that feedback is important. >>> >>> We mostly agree that there is value in feedback from all deployments, >>> big and small. >>> >>> We are currently getting valuable feedback from the field: Sur, the >>> Ceibal blogs, reports from Nepal, Greg's reports from GPA, et al. >>> >>> We need more feedback and therefore we are exploring additional means >>> of getting it. You ideas are welcome! >>> >> Perhaps a section in Sugar Digest with links to highlights of what went >> on in deployments during the week? > > Sounds like a great idea to me. Yes, this is indeed a great idea! >> Wearing a deployer-hat I must confess that we could (Paraguayan >> Deployment Team) do a better job filing tickets, giving feedback, etc. >> >> Will try to keep discipline from now on :-) > > This will be great. Also, what if each deployment lists somewhere > (wiki?) the 10 bugs that would need fixed first and the 10 new > features that need most? Definitely worth a shot. > That way a volunteer developer would be able to relate his work to > something actually useful somewhere else, as opposed to something that > _he_ just thought was a good idea. I think this could be a powerful > motivator to get more people involved. My thoughts exactly... :-) Christoph -- Christoph Derndorfer co-editor, olpcnews url: www.olpcnews.com e-mail: christ...@olpcnews.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
[IAEP] deployment feedback (was Re: [Sugar-devel] GPA ain't the world (was: [Sugar-news] Sugar Digest 2009-08-11))
On Sat, Aug 15, 2009 at 03:39, Raul Gutierrez Segales wrote: > On Thu, 2009-08-13 at 15:06 -0400, Walter Bender wrote: >> On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 2:17 PM, David Van Assche >> wrote: >> [snip] >> > Or are you saying the feedback is getting through and I'm just not seeing >> > it? >> >> We all seem to agree that feedback is important. >> >> We mostly agree that there is value in feedback from all deployments, >> big and small. >> >> We are currently getting valuable feedback from the field: Sur, the >> Ceibal blogs, reports from Nepal, Greg's reports from GPA, et al. >> >> We need more feedback and therefore we are exploring additional means >> of getting it. You ideas are welcome! >> > > Perhaps a section in Sugar Digest with links to highlights of what went > on in deployments during the week? Sounds like a great idea to me. > Wearing a deployer-hat I must confess that we could (Paraguayan > Deployment Team) do a better job filing tickets, giving feedback, etc. > > Will try to keep discipline from now on :-) This will be great. Also, what if each deployment lists somewhere (wiki?) the 10 bugs that would need fixed first and the 10 new features that need most? That way a volunteer developer would be able to relate his work to something actually useful somewhere else, as opposed to something that _he_ just thought was a good idea. I think this could be a powerful motivator to get more people involved. Regards, Tomeu -- «Sugar Labs is anyone who participates in improving and using Sugar. What Sugar Labs does is determined by the participants.» - David Farning ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
