Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] soas live cd on MacBook? How?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 03:45:21PM -0300, Andrea Mangiatordi wrote: Jonas Smedegaard wrote: Beware that if blessing is similar to that of classic MacOS, then it includes adding a small binary piece that is *not* free software. In other words, it may be illegal to publish SoaS as pre-blessed images. Hi everybody, I have a pre-Intel mac, so I can't test it directly, but AFAIK there are many linux distributions which run flawlessly on a Mac (both powerpc and intel) and they even have a livecd option (I can think of Ubuntu, but there can be others). So, if Ubuntu can boot, there should be a free software way to do it.. You cannot run the currently released SoaS on a PowerPC Macintosh. The reason MacOS X seemingly runs across platforms is that all its components are compiled for both platforms. SoaS is only currently compiled for 32bit x86, which works on amd64 but not on PowerPC. Yes, it is certainly possible to run Linux on PowerPC (and ARM, and Motorola 68k and a lot of other platforms), SoaS is just not prepared for that yet, and most probably if/when it happens, it will be provided as a separate image, not a combined one for multiple platforms as with some Apple software. (...as far as I am aware - I am not directly involved in the SoaS work) Kind regards, - Jonas - -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREDAAYFAkoZtSEACgkQn7DbMsAkQLgQmACeNirzHWJn6Hj59oP1ednhYmVo xoAAn2HtdzRGc2xWcokRe8iklUtR0BoJ =jVj1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] soas live cd on MacBook? How?
Jonas Smedegaard wrote: You cannot run the currently released SoaS on a PowerPC Macintosh. That's why I wrote so I can't test it directly ;) SoaS is only currently compiled for 32bit x86, which works on amd64 but not on PowerPC. Yeah, I had to use jhbuild and precompiled ubuntu packages in order to try and use Sugar. I don't really know if the boot management system is the same on all Macs, what I wanted to say is that there are live Linux distributions for both series and those distros only include free software, so there won't be any need for the developers to use proprietary blessings. Kind regards Andrea -- Andrea Mangiatordi www.farfalla-project.org www.bglug.it ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] soas live cd on MacBook? How?
blessing would be useful for enabling 'boot from USB'. 'boot from CD' or 'boot from USB with helper CD' don't need it. 2009/5/24 Andrea Mangiatordi andrea.mangiato...@gmail.com: Jonas Smedegaard wrote: You cannot run the currently released SoaS on a PowerPC Macintosh. That's why I wrote so I can't test it directly ;) SoaS is only currently compiled for 32bit x86, which works on amd64 but not on PowerPC. Yeah, I had to use jhbuild and precompiled ubuntu packages in order to try and use Sugar. I don't really know if the boot management system is the same on all Macs, what I wanted to say is that there are live Linux distributions for both series and those distros only include free software, so there won't be any need for the developers to use proprietary blessings. Kind regards Andrea -- Andrea Mangiatordi www.farfalla-project.org www.bglug.it ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] soas live cd on MacBook? How?
2009/5/20 Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de Note that much of the appeal of SoaS comes from not requiring to modify the machine it is about to run on. So rEFIt is no option for general use, it's not what we could recommend to teachers. +1 When I talked to a school IT person who was very linux friendly and really supportive of the project he was still *very* concerned that it was something kids could use without modifying the carefully chosen image that every student macbook in the school had. In the short term, SoaS in the wild needs to work without installing any software on the host computer. - Bert - ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] soas live cd on MacBook? How?
I have a new macbook, but have seen issue 1 and not 2. Is there some sequence of usb/cd creation I should try that might produce the problem? Its intel mac only, right? My partner has a desktop mac running leopard, but its intel also. I can later try on this setup if it would be of value. Cheers, James. 2009/5/23 Caroline Meeks carol...@solutiongrove.com Hi Caryl, How is it going? I know of two potentail issues. 1. Getting the right materials. At sugar camp we found that the USB created on the macbook was not working, only a PC created USB seemed to work. Plus you need both the USB and the boot helper. 2. some macbooks have a bug, when you boot everything goes fine through most of the boot and just when you are about to get to Sugar you get a mostly black screen with a sqiggle in the middle. Where are you at? I especially need people with problem #2 because I don't have a test machine that shows it and its a show stopper for me for all work in Boston Public Schools because their macbooks have this issue. Thanks, Caroline 2009/5/20 Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com Hi, I downloaded soas-beta.iso to my MacBook and burned it to a disk. I would like to get it to boot and be usable on the MacBook. Does anyone know how to do this? Thanks, Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Caroline Meeks Solution Grove carol...@solutiongrove.com 617-500-3488 - Office 505-213-3268 - Fax ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] soas live cd on MacBook? How?
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 19:04, Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de wrote: Note that much of the appeal of SoaS comes from not requiring to modify the machine it is about to run on. So rEFIt is no option for general use, it's not what we could recommend to teachers. I agree to some point but also feel that SoaS can also be useful in cases where people have more control on their hardware. I think we should leave the options open. Regards, Tomeu - Bert - ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] soas live cd on MacBook? How?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Thu, May 21, 2009 at 01:07:09PM +1000, Roland Gesthuizen wrote: rEFIt is clean to remove, just delete the directory on the OSX partition and restart to return to the original settings. What is nice is that it gives users a better handle on the other start up options. Hopefully, yes. See Troubleshooting at this page: http://refit.sourceforge.net/doc/c1s3_remove.html - Jonas - -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREDAAYFAkoVEXQACgkQn7DbMsAkQLiQjgCbBpL2F8s3SK6JnhL/MieoXmNI 1w4AnjgPoOfr9UhsmQLxox6yx1mfbrNJ =ZgVJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] soas live cd on MacBook? How?
For completeness, here are the documented Apple OSX keyboard shortcuts, stable over the past six versions (10.0-10.5): http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1343 Potentially useful at boot time: the Option key (looks like a ski slope) to show select bootable volumes Sean On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Dave Bauer dave.ba...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:31 AM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:08 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, I downloaded soas-beta.iso to my MacBook and burned it to a disk. I would like to get it to boot and be usable on the MacBook. Does anyone know how to do this? Most x86 ISOs boot just fine on an x86 Mac with no preparation other than to tell MacOS to boot from the CD. PPC, no. ^_^ You can reboot and hold down the C key to boot from the CDROM. Dave Thanks, Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/worknet (Edward Mokurai Cherlin) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] soas live cd on MacBook? How?
This may be helpful too: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1310 On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: For completeness, here are the documented Apple OSX keyboard shortcuts, stable over the past six versions (10.0-10.5): http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1343 Potentially useful at boot time: the Option key (looks like a ski slope) to show select bootable volumes Sean On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Dave Bauer dave.ba...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:31 AM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:08 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, I downloaded soas-beta.iso to my MacBook and burned it to a disk. I would like to get it to boot and be usable on the MacBook. Does anyone know how to do this? Most x86 ISOs boot just fine on an x86 Mac with no preparation other than to tell MacOS to boot from the CD. PPC, no. ^_^ You can reboot and hold down the C key to boot from the CDROM. Dave Thanks, Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/worknet (Edward Mokurai Cherlin) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] soas live cd on MacBook? How?
rEFIt http://refit.sourceforge.net/ is akin to GRUB, but nicer. It detects and shows all boot options. 2009/5/20 Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com: This may be helpful too: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1310 On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: For completeness, here are the documented Apple OSX keyboard shortcuts, stable over the past six versions (10.0-10.5): http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1343 Potentially useful at boot time: the Option key (looks like a ski slope) to show select bootable volumes Sean On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Dave Bauer dave.ba...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:31 AM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:08 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, I downloaded soas-beta.iso to my MacBook and burned it to a disk. I would like to get it to boot and be usable on the MacBook. Does anyone know how to do this? Most x86 ISOs boot just fine on an x86 Mac with no preparation other than to tell MacOS to boot from the CD. PPC, no. ^_^ You can reboot and hold down the C key to boot from the CDROM. Dave Thanks, Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/worknet (Edward Mokurai Cherlin) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] soas live cd on MacBook? How?
rEFIt is good .. we use it at our college for multiboot access (OSX, Windows, Linux etc.) I modify one file to prevent hostile access to some EFI functions. If somebody here supports the rEFIt developer with a suitable graphics and some technical support, they could include a sugar icon and ensure that it is correctly detected on bootup. This would include any bootable CDROMs in an iMac computer on startup such as Sugar. http://venublog.com/images/mac/refit.png Regards Roland 2009/5/20 Lucian Branescu lucian.brane...@gmail.com rEFIt http://refit.sourceforge.net/ is akin to GRUB, but nicer. It detects and shows all boot options. 2009/5/20 Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com: This may be helpful too: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1310 On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 1:03 PM, Sean DALY sdaly...@gmail.com wrote: For completeness, here are the documented Apple OSX keyboard shortcuts, stable over the past six versions (10.0-10.5): http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1343 Potentially useful at boot time: the Option key (looks like a ski slope) to show select bootable volumes Sean On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 12:33 PM, Dave Bauer dave.ba...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 2:31 AM, Edward Cherlin echer...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 11:08 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, I downloaded soas-beta.iso to my MacBook and burned it to a disk. I would like to get it to boot and be usable on the MacBook. Does anyone know how to do this? Most x86 ISOs boot just fine on an x86 Mac with no preparation other than to tell MacOS to boot from the CD. PPC, no. ^_^ You can reboot and hold down the C key to boot from the CDROM. Dave Thanks, Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Silent Thunder (默雷/धर्ममेघशब्दगर्ज/دھرممیگھشبدگر ج) is my name And Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, The Truth my destination. http://earthtreasury.org/worknet (Edward Mokurai Cherlin) ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel -- Dave Bauer d...@solutiongrove.com http://www.solutiongrove.com ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ Sugar-devel mailing list sugar-de...@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Roland Gesthuizen - ICT Coordinator - Westall Secondary College http://www.westallsc.vic.edu.au Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed it is the only thing that ever has. --Margaret Mead ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] soas live cd on MacBook? How?
Note that much of the appeal of SoaS comes from not requiring to modify the machine it is about to run on. So rEFIt is no option for general use, it's not what we could recommend to teachers. - Bert - ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] soas live cd on MacBook? How?
s/Sugar/Sugar on a Stick/ Still, it should just show up as Linux (USB). 2009/5/20 Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 04:26:18PM +0100, Lucian Branescu wrote: And is distinguishing between other linux distros and Sugar even desirable? My macbook is off to be repaired so I can't test, but AFAIK both the SoaS and the .iso should be recognised as Linux by rEFIt and booted. Sugar is *not* a Linux distribution! OLPC is/provides a Linux distribution, in that it contains the classic GNU/Linux base (Linux kernel + some GNU userspace tools) and the Sugar desktop environment on top of that. SoaS is a Linux distribution too. MacOS X is a non-Linux distribution, consisting of the Darwin base with Aqua on top. Debian is a distribution providing (in testing and unstable at least) a choice of multiple bases (Linux, kFreeBSD, Hurd) and multiple desktops (GNOME, KDE, XFCE, LXDE, GNUstep and a half-baked Sugar). Sugar itself is distributed (as is most free software), but is not an operating system + some userspace. I would suspect that rEFIt not recognize X11 desktops, and not userspace parts - only kernels. But even if rEFIt recognizes desktops, how to then resolve which is the _main_ desktop, and if the main desktop is the preferred environment over e.g. the terminal or some virtual (X11-based or not) environment. Hope that clarifies (and feel free to disagree with my judgements!). - Jonas - -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREDAAYFAkoUMKkACgkQn7DbMsAkQLhxwwCfTfaMnDN9Xf+4hmSHk+kCGWBP rnYAoIYMb7mBK8Xgx4DJs0LGXxtETiP2 =Dz99 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] soas live cd on MacBook? How?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 04:26:18PM +0100, Lucian Branescu wrote: And is distinguishing between other linux distros and Sugar even desirable? My macbook is off to be repaired so I can't test, but AFAIK both the SoaS and the .iso should be recognised as Linux by rEFIt and booted. Sugar is *not* a Linux distribution! OLPC is/provides a Linux distribution, in that it contains the classic GNU/Linux base (Linux kernel + some GNU userspace tools) and the Sugar desktop environment on top of that. SoaS is a Linux distribution too. MacOS X is a non-Linux distribution, consisting of the Darwin base with Aqua on top. Debian is a distribution providing (in testing and unstable at least) a choice of multiple bases (Linux, kFreeBSD, Hurd) and multiple desktops (GNOME, KDE, XFCE, LXDE, GNUstep and a half-baked Sugar). Sugar itself is distributed (as is most free software), but is not an operating system + some userspace. I would suspect that rEFIt not recognize X11 desktops, and not userspace parts - only kernels. But even if rEFIt recognizes desktops, how to then resolve which is the _main_ desktop, and if the main desktop is the preferred environment over e.g. the terminal or some virtual (X11-based or not) environment. Hope that clarifies (and feel free to disagree with my judgements!). - Jonas - -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREDAAYFAkoUMKkACgkQn7DbMsAkQLhxwwCfTfaMnDN9Xf+4hmSHk+kCGWBP rnYAoIYMb7mBK8Xgx4DJs0LGXxtETiP2 =Dz99 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] soas live cd on MacBook? How?
And is distinguishing between other linux distros and Sugar even desirable? My macbook is off to be repaired so I can't test, but AFAIK both the SoaS and the .iso should be recognised as Linux by rEFIt and booted. 2009/5/20 Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:03:45PM +1000, Roland Gesthuizen wrote: If somebody here supports the rEFIt developer with a suitable graphics and some technical support, they could include a sugar icon and ensure that it is correctly detected on bootup. This would include any bootable CDROMs in an iMac computer on startup such as Sugar. http://venublog.com/images/mac/refit.png How would that work? I mean, how to distinguish a Sugar-only installation from e.g. a Debian installation containing (among other desktop environments) Sugar? Kind regards, - Jonas ...using rEFIt on my laptop for quite some time :-) - -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREDAAYFAkoUIJgACgkQn7DbMsAkQLgjmgCaAqngaDTVpbsRQTJlhLDcmHTA 0iUAniQwXEKAs7KfPBD2IsFA3ZIAJwac =d+2U -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] soas live cd on MacBook? How?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:03:45PM +1000, Roland Gesthuizen wrote: If somebody here supports the rEFIt developer with a suitable graphics and some technical support, they could include a sugar icon and ensure that it is correctly detected on bootup. This would include any bootable CDROMs in an iMac computer on startup such as Sugar. http://venublog.com/images/mac/refit.png How would that work? I mean, how to distinguish a Sugar-only installation from e.g. a Debian installation containing (among other desktop environments) Sugar? Kind regards, - Jonas ...using rEFIt on my laptop for quite some time :-) - -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREDAAYFAkoUIJgACgkQn7DbMsAkQLgjmgCaAqngaDTVpbsRQTJlhLDcmHTA 0iUAniQwXEKAs7KfPBD2IsFA3ZIAJwac =d+2U -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] soas live cd on MacBook? How?
Perhaps, but to me it seems a very good option, especially when compared to requiring a helper CD and an arcane key press combination . rEFIt is tiny and quite useful by itself, since the default apple bootloader doesn't offer any feedback. 2009/5/20 Bert Freudenberg b...@freudenbergs.de: Note that much of the appeal of SoaS comes from not requiring to modify the machine it is about to run on. So rEFIt is no option for general use, it's not what we could recommend to teachers. - Bert - ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] soas live cd on MacBook? How?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 10:04:03AM -0700, Bert Freudenberg wrote: Note that much of the appeal of SoaS comes from not requiring to modify the machine it is about to run on. So rEFIt is no option for general use, it's not what we could recommend to teachers. Good point! I am satisfied with rEFIt on my own machine, but still would not install it on the machine of a friend that I would demo Linux on. I would only apply rEFIt _after_ my friend was confident with Linux and wanted to keep it: rEFIt gets installed on the hardware (i.e. does not disappear when the CD or USB key is removed), and in case of error you cannot start your old MacOS (you may need an original MacOS X install DVD, or perhaps even need some other rescue tool!). Replace Linux above with SoaS if that makes more sense to you. - Jonas - -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREDAAYFAkoUc3EACgkQn7DbMsAkQLjyDQCeOGScftoRiQhZTeoSkIiJGkYL kjMAn0d4HtCEIVgcMGnsF1bKsMgs54L0 =JbuD -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] [Sugar-devel] soas live cd on MacBook? How?
rEFIt is clean to remove, just delete the directory on the OSX partition and restart to return to the original settings. What is nice is that it gives users a better handle on the other start up options. Regards Roland 2009/5/21 Lucian Branescu lucian.brane...@gmail.com And is distinguishing between other linux distros and Sugar even desirable? My macbook is off to be repaired so I can't test, but AFAIK both the SoaS and the .iso should be recognised as Linux by rEFIt and booted. 2009/5/20 Jonas Smedegaard d...@jones.dk: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:03:45PM +1000, Roland Gesthuizen wrote: If somebody here supports the rEFIt developer with a suitable graphics and some technical support, they could include a sugar icon and ensure that it is correctly detected on bootup. This would include any bootable CDROMs in an iMac computer on startup such as Sugar. http://venublog.com/images/mac/refit.png How would that work? I mean, how to distinguish a Sugar-only installation from e.g. a Debian installation containing (among other desktop environments) Sugar? Kind regards, - Jonas ...using rEFIt on my laptop for quite some time :-) - -- * Jonas Smedegaard - idealist og Internet-arkitekt * Tlf.: +45 40843136 Website: http://dr.jones.dk/ [x] quote me freely [ ] ask before reusing [ ] keep private -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEAREDAAYFAkoUIJgACgkQn7DbMsAkQLgjmgCaAqngaDTVpbsRQTJlhLDcmHTA 0iUAniQwXEKAs7KfPBD2IsFA3ZIAJwac =d+2U -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Roland Gesthuizen - ICT Coordinator - Westall Secondary College http://www.westallsc.vic.edu.au Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed it is the only thing that ever has. --Margaret Mead ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
