Re: [IAEP] More about SoaS on a MacBook
[adding fedora-olpc to cc] On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 23:27, Carol Farlow Lerche c...@msbit.com wrote: Caryl, the G4 has a powerpc processor, which executes an entirely different binary instruction set from the Intel-based Mac and Intel PC architecture machines. Since SOAS in all its incarnations contains binary executables prepared for an Intel processor, this won't execute on your G4 Mac. (I'm leaving aside corner cases of having some kind of hardware emulator on the G4.) Maybe someone would be interested in doing a ppc version of soas? I see issues with activities containing binary modules, but maybe we should tackle this problem sooner than later, as any of these days someone could be interested in running Sugar on ARM or MIPS netbooks. And there's still lots of PPC macs in the education sector in the US. Regards, Tomeu On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Again, I downloaded http://www.sugarlabs.org/static/soas/soas-beta-1.zip. It took about 1 hr 45 min on a DSL connection. I haven't opened it yet...will get to that later today or this evening. But, I have a couple of questions. Is it possible to burn this file to a disk and boot from it? If so, would I unzip it first? If not, where should I put it? How do I access it? Is there any chance this version would run on a G4 MacPowerbook? I have one on hand I could try it with (it does run OSX). I would still like to be able to run from the SoaS USB with the helper CD. Someone else was having problems wiht that too. Is anyone working on a solution? Thanks, Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- I don't consider him a particularly reliable source of information. -- Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, at a House Foreign Affairs Committee meeting, on former Vice President Dick Cheney. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] More about SoaS on a MacBook
Eben, welcome to the world of K-8 education IT. There will be G4 machines in schools for years to come. Schools seldom junk hardware because they have little or no budget to replace it. On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Eben Eliason eben.elia...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 3:46 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: [adding fedora-olpc to cc] On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 23:27, Carol Farlow Lerche c...@msbit.com wrote: Caryl, the G4 has a powerpc processor, which executes an entirely different binary instruction set from the Intel-based Mac and Intel PC architecture machines. Since SOAS in all its incarnations contains binary executables prepared for an Intel processor, this won't execute on your G4 Mac. (I'm leaving aside corner cases of having some kind of hardware emulator on the G4.) Maybe someone would be interested in doing a ppc version of soas? I see issues with activities containing binary modules, but maybe we should tackle this problem sooner than later, as any of these days someone could be interested in running Sugar on ARM or MIPS netbooks. And there's still lots of PPC macs in the education sector in the US. That's true. Does anyone know the typical life span of classroom computers? Apple started producing Intel machines 4 years ago, and hasn't produced any PPC machines in the past 3. If we expect the market to last, we should definitely address it, but we should also be careful not to expend too much energy on a platform that won't exist in a couple more years, especially if it comes at the cost of more robust support on Intel macs, or other platforms altogether. Eben Regards, Tomeu On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Again, I downloaded http://www.sugarlabs.org/static/soas/soas-beta-1.zip. It took about 1 hr 45 min on a DSL connection. I haven't opened it yet...will get to that later today or this evening. But, I have a couple of questions. Is it possible to burn this file to a disk and boot from it? If so, would I unzip it first? If not, where should I put it? How do I access it? Is there any chance this version would run on a G4 MacPowerbook? I have one on hand I could try it with (it does run OSX). I would still like to be able to run from the SoaS USB with the helper CD. Someone else was having problems wiht that too. Is anyone working on a solution? Thanks, Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- I don't consider him a particularly reliable source of information. -- Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, at a House Foreign Affairs Committee meeting, on former Vice President Dick Cheney. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- I don't consider him a particularly reliable source of information. -- Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, at a House Foreign Affairs Committee meeting, on former Vice President Dick Cheney. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] More about SoaS on a MacBook
I have a dozen PPC Macs, they are workhorses which function for years on end (currently running Tiger v10.4), any info concerning how to run Sugar on them will be appreciated thanks Sean On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Carol Farlow Lerche c...@msbit.com wrote: Eben, welcome to the world of K-8 education IT. There will be G4 machines in schools for years to come. Schools seldom junk hardware because they have little or no budget to replace it. On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 9:40 AM, Eben Eliason eben.elia...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 3:46 AM, Tomeu Vizoso to...@sugarlabs.org wrote: [adding fedora-olpc to cc] On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 23:27, Carol Farlow Lerche c...@msbit.com wrote: Caryl, the G4 has a powerpc processor, which executes an entirely different binary instruction set from the Intel-based Mac and Intel PC architecture machines. Since SOAS in all its incarnations contains binary executables prepared for an Intel processor, this won't execute on your G4 Mac. (I'm leaving aside corner cases of having some kind of hardware emulator on the G4.) Maybe someone would be interested in doing a ppc version of soas? I see issues with activities containing binary modules, but maybe we should tackle this problem sooner than later, as any of these days someone could be interested in running Sugar on ARM or MIPS netbooks. And there's still lots of PPC macs in the education sector in the US. That's true. Does anyone know the typical life span of classroom computers? Apple started producing Intel machines 4 years ago, and hasn't produced any PPC machines in the past 3. If we expect the market to last, we should definitely address it, but we should also be careful not to expend too much energy on a platform that won't exist in a couple more years, especially if it comes at the cost of more robust support on Intel macs, or other platforms altogether. Eben Regards, Tomeu On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Again, I downloaded http://www.sugarlabs.org/static/soas/soas-beta-1.zip. It took about 1 hr 45 min on a DSL connection. I haven't opened it yet...will get to that later today or this evening. But, I have a couple of questions. Is it possible to burn this file to a disk and boot from it? If so, would I unzip it first? If not, where should I put it? How do I access it? Is there any chance this version would run on a G4 MacPowerbook? I have one on hand I could try it with (it does run OSX). I would still like to be able to run from the SoaS USB with the helper CD. Someone else was having problems wiht that too. Is anyone working on a solution? Thanks, Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- I don't consider him a particularly reliable source of information. -- Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, at a House Foreign Affairs Committee meeting, on former Vice President Dick Cheney. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- I don't consider him a particularly reliable source of information. -- Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, at a House Foreign Affairs Committee meeting, on former Vice President Dick Cheney. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] More about SoaS on a MacBook
Caryl, the G4 has a powerpc processor, which executes an entirely different binary instruction set from the Intel-based Mac and Intel PC architecture machines. Since SOAS in all its incarnations contains binary executables prepared for an Intel processor, this won't execute on your G4 Mac. (I'm leaving aside corner cases of having some kind of hardware emulator on the G4.) On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 2:19 PM, Caryl Bigenho cbige...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi Again, I downloaded http://www.sugarlabs.org/static/soas/soas-beta-1.zip. It took about 1 hr 45 min on a DSL connection. I haven't opened it yet...will get to that later today or this evening. But, I have a couple of questions. Is it possible to burn this file to a disk and boot from it? If so, would I unzip it first? If not, where should I put it? How do I access it? Is there any chance this version would run on a G4 MacPowerbook? I have one on hand I could try it with (it does run OSX). I would still like to be able to run from the SoaS USB with the helper CD. Someone else was having problems wiht that too. Is anyone working on a solution? Thanks, Caryl ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- I don't consider him a particularly reliable source of information. -- Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, at a House Foreign Affairs Committee meeting, on former Vice President Dick Cheney. ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
