Re: [IAEP] OLPC in Science-Subjects --- NEED HELP!!!
/moku...@earthtreasury.org wrote: It is straightforward to share Journal entries between XOs. *..Printing is not necessary.* / Mr. Mokurai: MAybe you are an exprert in Education, and Xo, or SUgar development, or teaching children , but I think that you don't KNow the reality of the XOs here in Uruguay, or somewhere that the teachers uses XO. *Printing is not necessary* is a very good statement , I agree, but for the real people (not the theoretical children) is only a statement, that is almost impossible to apply now. It is like saying The peace is better than the war... is a very good phrase, we all agree, but with that phrase I can not solve the problems of the world. The real world exists, and* in the real world the teachers wants to print.*. that is a fact, and We can not change it. Maybe in 30 Years the mind of the Teachers will change, but not now. MAybe in 30 Years this statement will be true, but now if you told a TEacher that you can't print is the same as saying _don't use the Xo's. You have a XIX century mind. The XO are made for XXII century minds only._.. This is not my opinion, it's simply an observation of the real world that I see that here in Uruguay: _there are a lot of teachers that don't Use the XO_ because of lots of problems that it has (there are also other reasons that are non technical). One of those problems are the printing problem. You said to share the Journal. Excuse me, Mr. Mokurai:_* *_Do you Know that the MEsh doesn't works? Even if you can share something, The XOs hangs up, or loose the entire journal, and the children don't use the journal for important things, that's why the teachers wants to print to have something hardware that works, even if the XO hangs, or the journal fails. I Invite YOu to come to Uruguay to teach us how to share something in a real classroom with real Children . NOrmally if YOu would share something, YOu have to use 30 minutes of an hour-class only for setting up the connections, and interrupting the class every 10 minutes because a child had a disconnection. -- Sorry for my poor English. Paolo Benini Montevideo ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] OLPC in Science-Subjects --- NEED HELP!!!
Hi Johanna, On 12 May 2011, at 20:08, Johanna Wener johanna.we...@chello.at wrote: Hello Everybody! I’m studying at the University of teacher education in graz in austria to become a teacher for primary school. For my final thesis I’m working in a class with olpcs to find out which programmes can be used in the subjects of science. I worked with FotoToon, Labyrinth, InfoSlicer and many more. Just wanted to confirm that Labyrinth does support exporting its maps as PDF so you can use them in resolution independent ways elsewhere if needed. I rarely print anything myself, but I'd suggest popping in a USB memory stick and using Journal to drag the PDF to the stick, then take the stick over to a machine set up to use your printer (or email). Here's a screen grab of the Labyrinth toolbar with the PDF export button: http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/File:Labyrinth_Toolbar_1.png Regards, --Gary The big problem I have is, that everything that the children do on the olpc could not be used for learning because there is no way to print their works out. We tried to make a screenshot and send it by mail – doesnt work! And we have no chance to print out anything we worked on! Can anybody help us? Nice greets Johanna Wener ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] OLPC in Science-Subjects --- NEED HELP!!!
You can save your work in Fototoon as a image to print in another computer. Press the secondary mouse button in the Keep button. What is not working saving screenshots and sending by mail? You cant create the screenshot or you can't send a attachment? Have you tried copying in a pen drive? Gonzalo On Thu, May 12, 2011 at 4:08 PM, Johanna Wener johanna.we...@chello.atwrote: Hello Everybody! I’m studying at the University of teacher education in graz in austria to become a teacher for primary school. For my final thesis I’m working in a class with olpcs to find out which programmes can be used in the subjects of science. I worked with FotoToon, Labyrinth, InfoSlicer and many more. The big problem I have is, that everything that the children do on the olpc could not be used for learning because there is no way to print their works out. We tried to make a screenshot and send it by mail – doesnt work! And we have no chance to print out anything we worked on! Can anybody help us? Nice greets Johanna Wener ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] OLPC in Science-Subjects --- NEED HELP!!!
Excerpts from Johanna Wener's message of Thu May 12 21:08:31 +0200 2011: The big problem I have is, that everything that the children do on the olpc could not be used for learning because there is no way to print their works out. I expect others to reply to the educational part of that sentence (i.e. is there a better way to reach your goals than consuming lots of energy, water and trees?). We tried to make a screenshot and send it by mail - doesnt work! What exactly have you tried and how did it fail? Walters brand-new Portfolio activity [1] has support for exporting selected, annotated Journal entries as HTML. You could save it to a USB stick, open the HTML file on a computer with an attached printer and print from within the browser. If you install CUPS on the system running Sugar (probably an XO judging from the subject), you can use a browser other than Browse to print locally. Or you can copy the Journal entry to the regular file system using copy-to-journal and print using the lpr command from within Terminal. A whole bunch of other options would combine the following: 1. Acquiring a printable file: a) take a screenshot by pressing Alt+1 b) some activities can export as PDF c) some activities can export as HTML d) some activities use a file format that can be read by non-Sugar applications (e.g. Write uses ODT, native file format of LibreOffice nee OpenOffice) e) Write 73 can export to PDF, so you could try using the clipboard to import content into Write and export as PDF 2. Transferring the file to Gnome or a different computer: a) copy to a USB stick, SD card or USB hard disk using the Journal b) using copy-from-journal from within Terminal to copy the Journal entry to the home directory (so Gnome can access it) c) using datastore-fuse [3] to access the Journal entry from within Gnome (experimental - you might need help from a techie) d) uploading the files to some web site (Moodle, wiki, photo gallery like Flickr, pastebin site, ...) and accessing that site from the computer with the printer. 3. Printing from within Gnome or on a different computer running a desktop system other than Sugar: a) for PDF and ODT just opening the file and printing from within the PDF viewer resp. word processor should usually work well enough. b) for HTML use a browser. You might need to tweak some options to get pretty output. I've seen browsers cutting a line of text in half; hopefully that's fixed by now. c) Gimp is pretty good for printing images, though it could be a bit overwhelming. d) CUPS understands several file formats natively (including images); just type lpr name_of_the_file.jpg (without the quotes). I'd love to tell you to download the Print activity [2] and print directly from within Sugar, but unfortunately I haven't managed to get it to work yet. However, the above options hopefully get you unblocked now; we can work on better solutions later. Sascha [1] http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4437 [2] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2009-August/thread.html#18173 [3] http://git.sugarlabs.org/datastore-fuse -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ signature.asc Description: PGP signature ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] OLPC in Science-Subjects --- NEED HELP!!!
Sascha, I am afraid Johanna is merely being honest to what is a very widespread misconception. Even Walter Bender has challenged me to invent a charcoal-based printer. And that was in response to my assertion, which I am happy to repeat any time it is needed, that the lack of printer support by the XO is indeed a very valuable feature, not a bug. I do agree with you about the huge and totally unnecessary waste of energy and water that printing would entail. However, most teachers and so-called education systems are paper-based. That is one among many ugly realities we have to deal with, a cognitive dissonance that hinders the success to a new POV for education. Moreover, even when digital-based, people are not on the same page, a still valid expression... It was recently mentioned by a Uruguayan teacher that the forms that are being sent to be filled out by teachers by their national administration are MS Office documents, thus cannot be worked (easily) in the XO! Of course I insist you are right that from a real education point of view printing is mostly irrelevant, *compared to* the possibilities of collaboration, the web, etc. But that is, *compared*... :-(. If teachers and students are not using those opportunities either, then it is only natural that only what is inked on paper is worth anything. So, are they using those opportunities? a simple example: by the end of 2009, Uruguay had over 366.000 laptop http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_Ceibals or so in the hands of teachers and students, and available to be used by their families, etc. *However*, by May 15 of 2010, there were only 162 Wikipedia http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_en_espa%C3%B1ol#Colaboradores colaboradores from Uruguay! One for every hundred teachers, or one per every 2.000 students and their families... As long as we cannot change this kind of approach to the XO or any other such tool, teachers will, indeed, need to print. On 05/12/2011 03:19 PM, Sascha Silbe wrote: Excerpts from Johanna Wener's message of Thu May 12 21:08:31 +0200 2011: The big problem I have is, that everything that the children do on the olpc could not be used for learning because there is no way to print their works out. I expect others to reply to the educational part of that sentence (i.e. is there a better way to reach your goals than consuming lots of energy, water and trees?). We tried to make a screenshot and send it by mail - doesnt work! What exactly have you tried and how did it fail? Walters brand-new Portfolio activity [1] has support for exporting selected, annotated Journal entries as HTML. You could save it to a USB stick, open the HTML file on a computer with an attached printer and print from within the browser. If you install CUPS on the system running Sugar (probably an XO judging from the subject), you can use a browser other than Browse to print locally. Or you can copy the Journal entry to the regular file system using copy-to-journal and print using the lpr command from within Terminal. A whole bunch of other options would combine the following: 1. Acquiring a printable file: a) take a screenshot by pressingAlt+1 b) some activities can export as PDF c) some activities can export as HTML d) some activities use a file format that can be read by non-Sugar applications (e.g. Write uses ODT, native file format of LibreOffice nee OpenOffice) e) Write 73 can export to PDF, so you could try using the clipboard to import content into Write and export as PDF 2. Transferring the file to Gnome or a different computer: a) copy to a USB stick, SD card or USB hard disk using the Journal b) using copy-from-journal from within Terminal to copy the Journal entry to the home directory (so Gnome can access it) c) using datastore-fuse [3] to access the Journal entry from within Gnome (experimental - you might need help from a techie) d) uploading the files to some web site (Moodle, wiki, photo gallery like Flickr, pastebin site, ...) and accessing that site from the computer with the printer. 3. Printing from within Gnome or on a different computer running a desktop system other than Sugar: a) for PDF and ODT just opening the file and printing from within the PDF viewer resp. word processor should usually work well enough. b) for HTML use a browser. You might need to tweak some options to get pretty output. I've seen browsers cutting a line of text in half; hopefully that's fixed by now. c) Gimp is pretty good for printing images, though it could be a bit overwhelming. d) CUPS understands several file formats natively (including images); just type lpr name_of_the_file.jpg (without the quotes). I'd love to tell you to download the Print activity [2] and print directly from within Sugar, but unfortunately I haven't managed to get it to work yet. However, the above
Re: [IAEP] OLPC in Science-Subjects --- NEED HELP!!!
Thanks, Sascha. All of this goes into The Undiscoverable, and later into Sugar documentation. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/The_Undiscoverable On Thu, May 12, 2011 4:19 pm, Sascha Silbe wrote: Excerpts from Johanna Wener's message of Thu May 12 21:08:31 +0200 2011: The big problem I have is, that everything that the children do on the olpc could not be used for learning because there is no way to print their works out. I expect others to reply to the educational part of that sentence (i.e. is there a better way to reach your goals than consuming lots of energy, water and trees?). We tried to make a screenshot and send it by mail - doesnt work! What exactly have you tried and how did it fail? Walters brand-new Portfolio activity [1] has support for exporting selected, annotated Journal entries as HTML. You could save it to a USB stick, open the HTML file on a computer with an attached printer and print from within the browser. If you install CUPS on the system running Sugar (probably an XO judging from the subject), you can use a browser other than Browse to print locally. Or you can copy the Journal entry to the regular file system using copy-to-journal and print using the lpr command from within Terminal. A whole bunch of other options would combine the following: 1. Acquiring a printable file: a) take a screenshot by pressing Alt+1 b) some activities can export as PDF c) some activities can export as HTML d) some activities use a file format that can be read by non-Sugar applications (e.g. Write uses ODT, native file format of LibreOffice nee OpenOffice) e) Write 73 can export to PDF, so you could try using the clipboard to import content into Write and export as PDF 2. Transferring the file to Gnome or a different computer: a) copy to a USB stick, SD card or USB hard disk using the Journal b) using copy-from-journal from within Terminal to copy the Journal entry to the home directory (so Gnome can access it) c) using datastore-fuse [3] to access the Journal entry from within Gnome (experimental - you might need help from a techie) d) uploading the files to some web site (Moodle, wiki, photo gallery like Flickr, pastebin site, ...) and accessing that site from the computer with the printer. 3. Printing from within Gnome or on a different computer running a desktop system other than Sugar: a) for PDF and ODT just opening the file and printing from within the PDF viewer resp. word processor should usually work well enough. b) for HTML use a browser. You might need to tweak some options to get pretty output. I've seen browsers cutting a line of text in half; hopefully that's fixed by now. c) Gimp is pretty good for printing images, though it could be a bit overwhelming. d) CUPS understands several file formats natively (including images); just type lpr name_of_the_file.jpg (without the quotes). I'd love to tell you to download the Print activity [2] and print directly from within Sugar, but unfortunately I haven't managed to get it to work yet. However, the above options hopefully get you unblocked now; we can work on better solutions later. Sascha [1] http://activities.sugarlabs.org/en-US/sugar/addon/4437 [2] http://lists.sugarlabs.org/archive/sugar-devel/2009-August/thread.html#18173 [3] http://git.sugarlabs.org/datastore-fuse -- http://sascha.silbe.org/ http://www.infra-silbe.de/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Edward Mokurai (#40664;#38647;/#2343;#2352;#2381;#2350;#2350;#2375;#2328;#2358;#2348;#2381;#2342;#2327;#2352;#2381;#2332;/#1583;#1726;#1585;#1605;#1605;#1740;#1711;#1726;#1588;#1576;#1583;#1711;#1585; #1580;) Cherlin Silent Thunder is my name, and Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, the Truth my destination. http://www.earthtreasury.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
Re: [IAEP] OLPC in Science-Subjects --- NEED HELP!!!
On Thu, May 12, 2011 9:05 pm, Yamandu Ploskonka wrote: Sascha, I am afraid Johanna is merely being honest to what is a very widespread misconception. Even Walter Bender has challenged me to invent a charcoal-based printer. And that was in response to my assertion, which I am happy to repeat any time it is needed, that the lack of printer support by the XO is indeed a very valuable feature, not a bug. Agreed. I do agree with you about the huge and totally unnecessary waste of energy and water that printing would entail. However, most teachers and so-called education systems are paper-based. That is one among many ugly realities we have to deal with, a cognitive dissonance that hinders the success to a new POV for education. Moreover, even when digital-based, people are not on the same page, a still valid expression... It was recently mentioned by a Uruguayan teacher that the forms that are being sent to be filled out by teachers by their national administration are MS Office documents, thus cannot be worked (easily) in the XO! I don't suppose PLAN Ceibal can influence other parts of the government when it would upset their careful arrangements. But what will happen when these millions of children get out of school and into the world of work and government? Of course I insist you are right that from a real education point of view printing is mostly irrelevant, *compared to* the possibilities of collaboration, the web, etc. But that is, *compared*... :-(. If teachers and students are not using those opportunities either, then it is only natural that only what is inked on paper is worth anything. So, are they using those opportunities? a simple example: by the end of 2009, Uruguay had over 366.000 laptop http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plan_Ceibals or so in the hands of teachers and students, and available to be used by their families, etc. *However*, by May 15 of 2010, there were only 162 Wikipedia http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_en_espa%C3%B1ol#Colaboradores colaboradores from Uruguay! One for every hundred teachers, or one per every 2.000 students and their families... Yama, you and I should create a set of lesson plans in English and Spanish for language students to translate Wikipedia pages, and for students of every subject to improve Wikipedia pages in Spanish. My plan is that in the beginning, every student gets assigned the same page to improve, and the class votes on which of the various improvements gets made as a class contribution. Individual students and whole classes should have user accounts in order to provide correct attribution of contributions. Later on, students can be assigned to pick a page needing work, with a requirement to show what needed improving, what improvements were made, and how the student knows that they are improvements. The last requirement will require students to learn how to evaluate source material, among other things. As long as we cannot change this kind of approach to the XO or any other such tool, teachers will, indeed, need to print. On 05/12/2011 03:19 PM, Sascha Silbe wrote: Excerpts from Johanna Wener's message of Thu May 12 21:08:31 +0200 2011: The big problem I have is, that everything that the children do on the olpc could not be used for learning because there is no way to print their works out. It is straightforward to share Journal entries between XOs. That needs to be a lesson for children, and part of teacher training also. Printing is not necessary. I expect others to reply to the educational part of that sentence (i.e. is there a better way to reach your goals than consuming lots of energy, water and trees?). We tried to make a screenshot and send it by mail - doesnt work! What exactly have you tried and how did it fail? Walters brand-new Portfolio activity [1] has support for exporting selected, annotated Journal entries as HTML. You could save it to a USB stick, open the HTML file on a computer with an attached printer and print from within the browser. If you install CUPS on the system running Sugar (probably an XO judging from the subject), you can use a browser other than Browse to print locally. Or you can copy the Journal entry to the regular file system using copy-to-journal and print using the lpr command from within Terminal. A whole bunch of other options would combine the following: 1. Acquiring a printable file: a) take a screenshot by pressingAlt+1 b) some activities can export as PDF c) some activities can export as HTML d) some activities use a file format that can be read by non-Sugar applications (e.g. Write uses ODT, native file format of LibreOffice nee OpenOffice) e) Write 73 can export to PDF, so you could try using the clipboard to import content into Write and export as PDF 2. Transferring the file to Gnome or a different computer: a) copy to a USB stick, SD card or USB hard disk using the
Re: [IAEP] OLPC in Science-Subjects --- NEED HELP!!!
On Thu, May 12, 2011 3:08 pm, Johanna Wener wrote: Hello Everybody! I'm studying at the University of teacher education in graz in austria to become a teacher for primary school. For my final thesis I'm working in a class with olpcs to find out which programmes can be used in the subjects of science. I would like to offer my help. My degree is in Mathematics Philosophy, including philosophy and history of science, and courses in Physics, Biology, and Chemistry. Ich kann auch etwas Deutsch. I worked with FotoToon, Labyrinth, InfoSlicer and many more. Calculator, Measure, Record, the Python and Smalltalk programming languages, SocialCalc, Physics, Turtle Blocks...I particularly like Measure for acoustics. You can set it to frequency domain and show the overtones of any note on any musical instrument. The fundamental discovery of Pythagoras was that harmonious intervals on a plucked string corresponded to ratios of small integers. The octave is a ratio of 2 to 1, and the fifth (C to G, for example) is a ratio of 3 to 2 in length (and 2 to 3 in frequency). See Alan Kay's use of turtle graphics in Smalltalk to make a simulation of constant acceleration, Record to capture a video of a falling object, and Smalltalk or Scratch to select frames from the video at fixed intervals. The results of the simulation and the video show the same pattern. I expanded this in Turtle Art (now Turtle Blocks) to show the effect of adding constant sideways motion, which gives parabolas, and added photos of parabolic water fountains. http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/images/0/0e/Gravity.odt The big problem I have is, that everything that the children do on the olpc could not be used for learning because there is no way to print their works out. This turns out not to be the case. While printing is useful for making public exhibitions, it is not required for sharing anything that you can save in the Journal. The Collaboration feature allows students to share a session and save a copy to their own Journals. We tried to make a screenshot and send it by mail - doesnt work! The Undiscoverable http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/The_Undiscoverable Screen capture An important use case for the Keep button. How do we store just the image, without the software state? Some Activities, including Turtle Art, have a button for this purpose. Alt + 1 captures the screen and stores a screenshot in the Journal. See this discussion thread for techniques useful for special situations when a time-delayed capture may be needed, http://www.mail-archive.com/sugar-devel@lists.sugarlabs.org/msg17591.html And we have no chance to print out anything we worked on! Can anybody help us? Nice greets Johanna Wener ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep -- Edward Mokurai (#40664;#38647;/#2343;#2352;#2381;#2350;#2350;#2375;#2328;#2358;#2348;#2381;#2342;#2327;#2352;#2381;#2332;/#1583;#1726;#1585;#1605;#1605;#1740;#1711;#1726;#1588;#1576;#1583;#1711;#1585; #1580;) Cherlin Silent Thunder is my name, and Children are my nation. The Cosmos is my dwelling place, the Truth my destination. http://www.earthtreasury.org/ ___ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) IAEP@lists.sugarlabs.org http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/iaep
