Re: Caution: Bad joke / pun?
Why is text in IBM-1047 more stable that text in ISO8859-1? ISO8859-1 are basically ANSI characters. (ANSI -- antsy, just in case it is just too weird for some). I know, if I have to explain it, it isn't really funny. Not necessarily! If you're not a native speaker, like me, you might simply not know the word antsy. Thanks to your hint, I was then able to enjoy your pun. -- Peter Hunkeler Credit Suisse -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FTP Get Blocked by ISPF EDIT
o Kudos to FTP server -- the messages are excellent. Could only be topped if the message would the who the holder was. -- Peter Hunkeler Credit Suisse -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FTP Get Blocked by ISPF EDIT
Would anyone care to submit a Requirement that ISPF defer requesting the EXCL SPFEDIT until the first SAVE? I would vote against it. Definitely! If I'm in EDIT, I expect that nothing can change the content under the covers, no matter whether I'm going to actuially change the content or not. Ed: How happy would you be if your automated ftp process successfully replaces the member someone else is editing at the same time. A single SAVE and your successfull ftp isn't worth a dime anymore. -- Peter Hunkeler Credit Suisse -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Of interest to the Independent Contractors on the list
On 5/20/2010 2:18 PM, Greg Shirey wrote: This type of error has been reported various times over the years - it was around before the term Y2K was invented. I suspect you're right, but I was trying to find the reporting of the specific incident cited as happening at the same time in Fairfax County (the same time being a period beginning 12/31/1999 and ending 1/3/2000, unless I have misunderstood the post). Perhaps the field day the press had with the item was not archived for the Internet. You misinterpreted my at the same time, which I intended to refer to the era of the Y2K panic. While the error was not directly Y2K related, it had the same cause of using a two-digit year inappropriately. The only regular daily I was reading at the time was the Washington Post, which is where it would have appeared, although it also have been on the local TV news. Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, VT -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Dynamic change of link address
Bruce, This should be no problem, as you are not effecting all of the paths to the devices. The devices would only need to be offline if all the paths were changing. To make a change like this all that you need to do is ensure that, at a minimum, all the effected paths are offline to the relevant devices.. so a V PATH(6000-6FFF,33),OFFLINE, and same for 53 .. would suffice. But a CF CHP is usually easier. Sometimes you need to do the V PATH if the CHP is shared with other devices and you can't take it offline. You will need to put the Paths/CHP back online again after the activate Cheers Roy Bruce Schaefer wrote: We have many CNTLUNIT macros defined with 8 paths, similar to: CNTLUNIT CUNUMBR=6F00,PATH=((CSS(0),33,73,2E,3A,53,83,5A,3E)),* UNITADD=((00,256)), * LINK=((CSS(0),7120,7220,7320,7420,7124,7224,7324,7424)),* CUADD=0,UNIT=2107 IODEVICE ADDRESS=(6000,064),CUNUMBR= (6F00),STADET=Y,UNIT=3390B IODEVICE ADDRESS=(6040,192),CUNUMBR= (6F00),STADET=Y,UNIT=3390A The above is repeated for CUADD=1 to F to define the entire 6000-6FFF device range. If we change the 71xx link addresses to 77xx (and CF CHP(33,53) OFFLINE on all LPARs on this machine), will the ACTIVATE IODF= command succeed? My recollection tells me that the command will try to DELETE the CU, thus all devices would need to be offline. Is this correct or will the activate delete the affected paths, then readd with updated link addresses? Thanks, Bruce -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
very strange ISHELL behaviour
I've just installed z/OS 1.11 and I'm getting some strange behaviour with ISHELL and it just occurs with user IBMUSER (which is defined with UID of 0). What happens is that when I list a directory then enter an e to the left of a file to edit it, nothing happens ie the cursor remains to the left of the filename and the file is not opened. I can enter s or / to the left of the file and it will open in browse mode but edit. I can edit files in ISHELL with other userids no problem. Also I can edit files with OEDIT with IBMUSER. Any ideas ? Jim McAlpine -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
How to validate the existence of a file on a Server via JCL
I would like to know how to test the existence of a file on a Server Directory (Windows or Linux) and if exist to execute a job step in an z/os jcl. Thanks in advance. Hilario -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Antwort: very strange ISHELL behaviour
Jim, have you checked REGION size in RACF TSO segment for IBMUSER? The HFS file to be edited must fit completely into IBMUSER's TSO ASID. Cheers Michael Jim McAlpine jim.mcalp...@gmail.com Gesendet von: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu 21.05.2010 10:30 Bitte antworten an IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu An IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Kopie Thema very strange ISHELL behaviour I've just installed z/OS 1.11 and I'm getting some strange behaviour with ISHELL and it just occurs with user IBMUSER (which is defined with UID of 0). What happens is that when I list a directory then enter an e to the left of a file to edit it, nothing happens ie the cursor remains to the left of the filename and the file is not opened. I can enter s or / to the left of the file and it will open in browse mode but edit. I can edit files in ISHELL with other userids no problem. Also I can edit files with OEDIT with IBMUSER. Any ideas ? Jim McAlpine -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FTP Get Blocked by ISPF EDIT
In listserv%201005201228169029.0...@bama.ua.edu, on 05/20/2010 at 12:28 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: And, truly annoying: /bin/cp /what/ever //'SYS2.MVSMODS.CNTL(ISTINCLM)' requests EXCL SYSDSN ENQ. I think this misspecification is inherent in the C RTL. It's not a misspecification. Would you really prefer an ABEND or a damaged directory? The original design error was in not specifying safe PDS sharing back in the early OS/360 days, but I can't see any clean way forward at this late date. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FTP Get Blocked by ISPF EDIT
In listserv%201005201817181930.0...@bama.ua.edu, on 05/20/2010 at 06:17 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: TRANSMIT is a horse of a different choler. Perhaps, but it doesn't appear to be ignoring DCB attributes. TRANSMIT FOO.BAR FILE(PUTDD) OUTDSN(TEMP.FOOXMIT) What does the TSO command reference say about the semantics of that command? ... and watched as IEBCOPY messages scrolled by for the unload of the entire SYS1.MACLIB. Wrong, wrong! Is it? Using Data Sets makes it very clear that when a data set name and member are specified, the allocation is Physical Sequential. Does it? Certainly Retrieving a Member of a PDS says no such thing. TRANSMIT ought to have simply OPENed a DCB for PUTDD and made an XMIT package of whatever it found on a QSAM read. XMIT ought to have done whatever the manual specified that it do. What does IEBCOPY do with IN DD DSN=foo(bar) ... C I=IN,O=OUT ? For that matter, try writing a program that specifies DSORG=PO and see what effect an explicit member name has on it. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FTP Get Blocked by ISPF EDIT
On Thu, 20 May 2010 18:17:18 -0500 Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: :BTW, how can I interrupt IEBCOPY in this situation. PA1 :gave me a READY prompt, but when I pressed ENTER the IEBCOPY :messages resumed. I finally resigned myself to pressing :ENTER until they finished scrolling by.) Pressing enter after PA1 means ignore the PA1 (for the native TSO handling). Type anything other than ? to terminate the previous command. -- Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, especially those from irresponsible companies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: very strange ISHELL behaviour
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Michael Klaeschen michael.klaesc...@deutscherring.de wrote: Jim, have you checked REGION size in RACF TSO segment for IBMUSER? The HFS file to be edited must fit completely into IBMUSER's TSO ASID. Cheers Michael Michael, the region size is the same as the users who can edit the same file. Jim McAlpine -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Is there z/VSE APF authorzsation equivalent?
Is there a z/VSE APF authorization equivalent? The VSE MODESET macro description says the program must be identified as 'job control', which is not a great string to search for. Thanks Steve - This email has been scanned for all known viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security Service and the Macro 4 internal virus protection system. . -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: very strange ISHELL behaviour
Jim, I thought that the Size in the TSO SEGMENT was only what the user would get if the user did not specify it at logon time. Is it possible that they have a smaller size on the LOGON panel rather than using the TSO SEGMENT SIZE? Lizette Jim, have you checked REGION size in RACF TSO segment for IBMUSER? The HFS file to be edited must fit completely into IBMUSER's TSO ASID. Cheers Michael Michael, the region size is the same as the users who can edit the same file. Jim McAlpine -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Large 3270 screen size and TSO/ISPF 6.0 on z/OS v1.10
In aanlktin-vqj5f_jrzmsgdpflwipqvwooad2osgwa8...@mail.gmail.com, on 05/20/2010 at 09:35 AM, zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com said: What's to explain? TSO is old and grotty, and supporting random screen sizes in fullscreen apps is a pain. I've never had any trouble with nonstandard screen sizes in TSO. Perhaps you're confusing ISPF with TSO. BTW, I would expect nonstandard console screen sizes to be a problem. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Getting BIND/LINK date out of load module members
In 4bf49653.6f0f.008...@efirstbank.com, on 05/20/2010 at 01:53 AM, Frank Swarbrick frank.swarbr...@efirstbank.com said: I find it perplexing, though, that there is apparently no field in a load module PDS that indicates when a member was created and/or last updated. What are IDRDATA, chopped liver? Why is it there for non-load module PDSs It isn't. Not all members are created by ISPF. but not for load module PDSs? It's been in load modules for around 4 decades. In fact, I believe that IDRDATA is older than SPF. Anyone have the exact dates? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: LINK Question (SRB Mode?)
In 201005201915.o4kjfwmd004...@bama.ua.edu, on 05/20/2010 at 03:15 PM, Art Celestini spamb...@celestini.com said: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Please stick to ASCII when you emit that header field. The code points '93'X and '94'X render randomly[1] without a declaration of character set. A colleague has written me about a set of circumstances he is observing: Program A is authorized, running in Key 7, TCB mode, and issues a LINK for Program B. When Program B gets control, it finds PSATOLD=0 and PSASRBM=04. I believe that you are misinterpreting those fields. Make a local copy *before* you take the dump and see what you get. How could LINK possibly give the target program control in SRB Mode? It couldn't, legitimately, and an undetected bug of that magnitude is unlikely. [1] E.g., as and . I should have charset=iso-8859-15 in my header and those characters should render as o^ and o umlaut -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Of interest to the Independent Contractors on the list
In 20100520042808.ad5f81c...@mail.ase.com.au, on 05/19/2010 at 09:13 PM, Graeme Gibson gra...@ase.com.au said: Countless other professionals did corresponding good work and as a direct consequence Y2K was not a disaster at all. Indeed. On the flip side, not every Y2K bug was worth fixing. At NSF we had a monitor that showed the date as 19100; the only real effect that bug had was to provoke the occasional chuckle. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Large 3270 screen size and TSO/ISPF 6.0 on z/OS v1.10
In listserv%201005200348383924.0...@bama.ua.edu, on 05/20/2010 at 03:48 AM, Nick Jones nbjone...@talktalk.net said: Sorry to pick up on this old post but we have just upgraded from z/OS 1.9 to z/OS 1.11 and, like you, take advantage of screen sizes in excess of 62x160. There are two distinct issues: 1. Screen geometry 2. Address size. The 3290 works with 14-bit addressing (0-16,383) of a 9920 byte buffer. Get much larger and you'll need to use 16-bit addressing; I don't know whether z/OS supports that for TSO, ISPF or DIDOCS. In the simplest case you'll need a BIND image that specifies your primary and secondary screen size, either explicitly or by specifying the result of WSF RP-Query. I don't know whether ISPF supports explicit partitions for anything larger than a 3290. For ISPF I'd advise using DATA rather than MAX. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Getting BIND/LINK date out of load module members
In 9118ef7037e140479786802e36812d7504b45...@syssrv35.ad.ilstu.edu, on 05/19/2010 at 02:45 PM, Davis, Kriss kpda...@ilstu.edu said: I am working on process to monitor/audit load libraries for new/replaced members during a date range. I have a working version that uses AMBLIST with a SYSIN of LISTIDR. I hope that they've improved the code since the last time that I had to deal with it. The CBT is full of programs for extracting IDR data. I wouldn't be surprised if every single one of them was faster than AMBLIST. Or take Roland's suggestion and use IEWBIND. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: very strange ISHELL behaviour
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.comwrote: Jim, I thought that the Size in the TSO SEGMENT was only what the user would get if the user did not specify it at logon time. Is it possible that they have a smaller size on the LOGON panel rather than using the TSO SEGMENT SIZE? Lizette Lizette, both userids have the same settings. Anyhow I would think that I would get some sort of abend or message at least if it was a size problem. I'm seeing absolutely nothing. Jim McAlpine -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Of interest to the Independent Contractors on the list
On Fri, 21 May 2010 06:43:42 -0400 Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote: :In 20100520042808.ad5f81c...@mail.ase.com.au, on 05/19/2010 : at 09:13 PM, Graeme Gibson gra...@ase.com.au said: :Countless other professionals did corresponding good work and as a :direct consequence Y2K was not a disaster at all. :Indeed. On the flip side, not every Y2K bug was worth fixing. At NSF :we had a monitor that showed the date as 19100; the only real effect :that bug had was to provoke the occasional chuckle. So it was smart enough to know that it needed 3 digits for the end part of the year, but then it concatenated the string '19' in front? One wonders who programmed such a thing (unless it was PL/I which would do that automatically). -- Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, especially those from irresponsible companies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Antwort: Re: very strange ISHELL behaviour
Jim, you do not see any messages on the screen, ok. And I agree, you should see some messages indicating what's missing. Did you look in the JES-spool for the TSO procedure? I mean check SDSF, e.g. JESMSGLG DD. Cheers Michael Jim McAlpine jim.mcalp...@gmail.com Gesendet von: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu 21.05.2010 13:40 Bitte antworten an IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu An IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Kopie Thema Re: very strange ISHELL behaviour On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 12:18 PM, Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.comwrote: Jim, I thought that the Size in the TSO SEGMENT was only what the user would get if the user did not specify it at logon time. Is it possible that they have a smaller size on the LOGON panel rather than using the TSO SEGMENT SIZE? Lizette Lizette, both userids have the same settings. Anyhow I would think that I would get some sort of abend or message at least if it was a size problem. I'm seeing absolutely nothing. Jim McAlpine -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: How to validate the existence of a file on a Server via JCL
Using a Rexx script 1-From z/os to the server establish an FTP connection to the folder where the file should be.. 2-Do a directory list 3-Catch the output in Rexx 4-Parse the output and look for your file. 5- If found execute your job step. At least that's how I would do it. Regards, Roberto On 5/21/10, Hilario Garcia cucho...@gmail.com wrote: I would like to know how to test the existence of a file on a Server Directory (Windows or Linux) and if exist to execute a job step in an z/os jcl. Thanks in advance. Hilario -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society. -Krishnamurti I am as you, in you, for you. One as you in all, as all, forever. My call is your call. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: very strange ISHELL behaviour
I don't have access to a uid=0 userid, so I cannot test myself. Anayway, ... what are the differences in the OMVS segments of both users? ... can the uid=0 userid edit plain standard MVS datasets? ... any messages in any of the logs (JESYSMSG, ISPLOG, SYSLOG) -- Peter Hunkeler CREDIT SUISSE AG -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Is there z/VSE APF authorzsation equivalent?
Use the PRODID DEFINE followed by PRODID AUTH=YES macros to define yourself as an authorized task before using MODESET. Chuck Arney illustro Systems International, LLC http://www.illustro.com Internet-enable your applications with z/Ware V2 Voice: 214-800-8900 X#5562 -- This e-mail is private and may be confidential and is for the intended recipient only. If misdirected, please notify us by telephone and confirm that it has been deleted from your system and any copies destroyed. If you are not the intended recipient you are strictly prohibited from using, printing, copying, distributing or disseminating this e-mail or any information contained in it. We use reasonable measures to virus scan all E-mails leaving illustro but no warranty is given that this E-mail and any attachments are virus free. You should ensure you have adequate measures in place for your own virus checking. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Steve Austin Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 5:34 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Is there z/VSE APF authorzsation equivalent? Is there a z/VSE APF authorization equivalent? The VSE MODESET macro description says the program must be identified as 'job control', which is not a great string to search for. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FTP Get Blocked by ISPF EDIT
On Fri, 21 May 2010 08:25:27 +0200, Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4) wrote: o Kudos to FTP server -- the messages are excellent. Could only be topped if the message would the who the holder was. It does. Re-quoting from the OP: is held by: 008F EDJXADM EXCL on SPFEDIT -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FTP Get Blocked by ISPF EDIT
On Fri, 21 May 2010 08:25:58 +0200, Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4) wrote: Would anyone care to submit a Requirement that ISPF defer requesting the EXCL SPFEDIT until the first SAVE? I would vote against it. Definitely! If I'm in EDIT, I expect that nothing can change the content under the covers, no matter whether I'm going to actuially change the content or not. My question was rhetoric. In my next paragraph I pointed out hazards. I vote with you. Ed: How happy would you be if your automated ftp process successfully replaces the member someone else is editing at the same time. A single SAVE and your successfull ftp isn't worth a dime anymore. Ed's example concerned retrieving the member, not storing it. But I pointed out the hazard that during an Edit session the member may be in an invalid state. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: How to validate the existence of a file on a Server via JCL
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Hilario Garcia Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 3:41 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: How to validate the existence of a file on a Server via JCL I would like to know how to test the existence of a file on a Server Directory (Windows or Linux) and if exist to execute a job step in an z/os jcl. Thanks in advance. Hilario How are you accessing the Windows/Linux server? Is the Windows/Linux file/directory directly readable on z/OS using SMB or NFS? Or do you need to use something like ftp? For FTP, run a step like: //FTP03EXEC PGM=FTP,REGION=6M,PARM='(EXIT' //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //OUTPUT DD SYSOUT=*,DCB=BLKSIZE=133 //INPUTDD * server.name user password ls file-name-to-test /* //EXISTS EXEC PGM=DOIT,COND=(0,NE,FTP03) //... MORE JCL //* Now, if you're using SMB or NFS to directly read the server's data as it if were a local UNIX file, then it would be similar, but different. //TESTIT EXEC PGM=BPXBATCH, // PARM='ls file-to-test' //STDOUT DD SYSOUT=* //STDERR DD SYSOUT=* //STDIN DD PATH='/dev/null',PATHOPTS=(ORDONLY) //* //EXISTS EXEC PGM=DOIT,COND=(0,NE,TESTIT) //... MORE JCL //* -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-961-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FTP Get Blocked by ISPF EDIT
On Fri, 21 May 2010 04:56:35 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: /bin/cp /what/ever //'SYS2.MVSMODS.CNTL(ISTINCLM)' requests EXCL SYSDSN ENQ. I think this misspecification is inherent in the C RTL. It's not a misspecification. Would you really prefer an ABEND or a damaged directory? The original design error was in not specifying safe PDS sharing back in the early OS/360 days, but I can't see any clean way forward at this late date. The clean way forward was devised by [I]SPF some time ago in the SPFEDIT ENQ. This is effective. I believe it assures data integrity; no ABEND; no damaged directory. NFS server and FTP server (others?) use the technique to cooperate with ISPF. C RTL ought to do likewise. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: very strange ISHELL behaviour
Just as a clarification, the size in the RACF TSO Segment is where the initial default OR last used value for TSO logon size is retained. If the user changes the value on his TSO logon panel, the most recent Size value he specified for a successful logon will then be in his TSO Segment. It is only the MaxSize limit for the Size that the user can specify at logon that is fixed in his TSO segment, changeable only by RACF Admin. Similar changes at TSO logon occur in TSO Segment if the user changes his logon Account Number or Logon Proc, but in those cases restrictions on what values may be used are enforced based on whether the user has READ access to the appropriate RACF profiles protecting those resources. So looking at RACF TSO Segment values shows how the user last logged on. JC Ewing On 05/21/2010 06:20 AM, Lizette Koehler wrote: Jim, I thought that the Size in the TSO SEGMENT was only what the user would get if the user did not specify it at logon time. Is it possible that they have a smaller size on the LOGON panel rather than using the TSO SEGMENT SIZE? Lizette ... -- Joel C. Ewing, Fort Smith, ARjremoveccapsew...@acm.org -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
z/OS file system and some Friday thoughts
As I have followed some threads lately and also many times earlier about the file system in general and PDS(E)s in particular I got an (maybe OT) idea. (Beware! :) ) The goal is to be able to have any string in general as a data set name/file name and in particular *nix type name/structure. And that in z/OS native. As we have 44 bytes available in the catalog(s), I think we can do something like this: - Use 16 bytes for a hash (MDM5/SHA-2) of the file name. - Use 16 bytes for a hash of the dir path. - Alternatively using 16 bytes hash for the whole string of path and file name. But I think that separate hashes would get some performance benefits when handling directorys. - We must probably use an (initial?) byte with e g nulls for avoiding collision with the old data set names. - As an additional option we could use maybe 4 bytes for file version/generation handling. E g we have a file Just a test etc. which have the hash x'F296A5AE68F284954EBF47EC5EEFD72E', in the dir /First level dir/Second level dir/ which have the hash x'847FD35FD88274EC0EDA528E7CD7A65A'. So the 44 (?) bytes would maybe look like: x'00F296A5AE68F284954EBF47EC5EEFD72E847FD35FD88274EC0EDA528E7CD7A65A00'. Enq:s would then also have the hash as keys etc. Am I an idiot or just a typical programmer ? :) Regards, Thomas Berg _ Thomas Berg Specialist A M SWEDBANK -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Of interest to the Independent Contractors on the list
Binyamin Dissen wrote: :Indeed. On the flip side, not every Y2K bug was worth fixing. At NSF :we had a monitor that showed the date as 19100; the only real effect :that bug had was to provoke the occasional chuckle. So it was smart enough to know that it needed 3 digits for the end part of the year, but then it concatenated the string '19' in front? Perhaps, but AFAIK, such systems stored the year in two fields. One field was used for century and another field for 2 digit year. In this case I suspect, it was stored as x'13' for 19 in one field for century and another field x'64' for year. In such systems, the year 2000 should be stored/adjusted as x'14' and x'00'. Or perhaps fixed to have one field for year. Then you get that formatting errors too resulting in 5 bytes of display values... Are those monitors fixed at this time? ;-D Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Getting BIND/LINK date out of load module members
Frank Swarbrick wrote: On 5/20/2010 at 2:22 AM, in message 29s9v5lniuvtpalf97r7chtu7ogfmj7...@4ax.com, Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com wrote: snippage Submit a requirement. No doubt. I'm just amazed that such a requirement wasn't submited 30 years ago. Frank 30 years ago IBM would have said (and IIRC did say) that those sort of timestamps are kept for the file, as other OSes keep such things for their files. (Granted, MVS keeps a reference data instead of a modification date.) Further, PDS members are not files, but parts of a file (physical files being called data sets in MVS parlance). If you want those sorts of timestamps kept in the file's data content, then make your application write such data when loading data into such a file. As has been stated, the linkage editor - program binder, and ISPF are two such applications which which write timestamps within the content of data written to their output files. Cheers, Greg -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: zOS Network Authentication Service (Kerberos)
Mark, I might be showing my AD ignorance here, but I thought that you still had domain controllers when using AD. We are heavy SMB users and are AD. I played with the pass through authentication a couple of years ago and it seemed to work ok. We abandoned it and went to DCE segments due to reliability issues, but it might match your needs. Bart -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Jacobs Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2010 12:29 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: zOS Network Authentication Service (Kerberos) On 05/19/10 11:13, Walt Farrell wrote: On Wed, 19 May 2010 10:12:01 -0400, Mark Jacobsmark.jac...@custserv.com wrote: Is anyone using the zOS Network Authentication Service to generate passtickets for authentication (instead of passwords) to RACF? If so I'd like to hear about your experiences. I don't think I understand that question, Mark. How is NAS (Kerberos) related to PassTickets at all? They're totally different technologies. What do you need to accomplish, and in what user/application contexts? My end desire is for a process running on a Windows based workstation access a SMB share under zOS. As far as I know SMB authenticates one of three ways; 1. Windows/NT Domain controller - Not an option since it's out of our environment, replaced by Active Directory. 2. Racf authentication - There is strong resistance against using a hardcoded userid/password coded in this application so my very early research led me to passtickets. 3. None(Guest Access) - Not acceptable. What I'm looking for is for the process on the workstation (already authenticated by AD) to be accepted by RACF as an authenticated zOS userid without supplying a password. -- Mark Jacobs Time Customer Service Tampa, FL It is impossible to make anything foolproof, because fools are so ingenious. -- Robert Heinlein -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS file system and some Friday thoughts
Thomas Berg wrote: [ ... lots of interesting things about hashes ... ] Curiousity question: Where are you going to store those hashes? Am I an idiot or just a typical programmer ? :) You are NOT licensed to be an idiot. ;-D Actually what you suggested could be very useful. Perhaps a SHARE submission? Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS file system and some Friday thoughts
On 05/21/2010 08:03 AM, Thomas Berg wrote: As I have followed some threads lately and also many times earlier about the file system in general and PDS(E)s in particular I got an (maybe OT) idea. (Beware! :) ) The goal is to be able to have any string in general as a data set name/file name and in particular *nix type name/structure. And that in z/OS native. As we have 44 bytes available in the catalog(s), I think we can do something like this: - Use 16 bytes for a hash (MDM5/SHA-2) of the file name. - Use 16 bytes for a hash of the dir path. - Alternatively using 16 bytes hash for the whole string of path and file name. But I think that separate hashes would get some performance benefits when handling directorys. - We must probably use an (initial?) byte with e g nulls for avoiding collision with the old data set names. - As an additional option we could use maybe 4 bytes for file version/generation handling. E g we have a file Just a test etc. which have the hash x'F296A5AE68F284954EBF47EC5EEFD72E', in the dir /First level dir/Second level dir/ which have the hash x'847FD35FD88274EC0EDA528E7CD7A65A'. So the 44 (?) bytes would maybe look like: x'00F296A5AE68F284954EBF47EC5EEFD72E847FD35FD88274EC0EDA528E7CD7A65A00'. Enq:s would then also have the hash as keys etc. Am I an idiot or just a typical programmer ? :) Regards, Thomas Berg _ Thomas Berg Specialist A M SWEDBANK ... The obvious problem with this of course is that hash functions by their very nature (mapping a larger domain to a smaller range) cannot be one-to-one. They work reliably for such things as symbol table lookup only because you also have the full string available, both as the search argument and in the table in order to resolve collisions when two strings hash to the same value. A hash value unaccompanied by the full string does not represent a unique string and is thus ambiguous. Most programmers/users would not find it acceptable to request a read/update/enqueue on file a and have it give the same results as a reference to some unknown and unrelated file x, just because they happened to hash to the same value. If the hash function mapped to an equal or larger range, then it would be possible to have uniqueness; but then the hash value would require more bits to represent it than the original string of symbols and nothing would be gained by the substitution. -- Joel C. Ewing, Fort Smith, ARjremoveccapsew...@acm.org -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: very strange ISHELL behaviour
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Michael Klaeschen michael.klaesc...@deutscherring.de wrote: Jim, you do not see any messages on the screen, ok. And I agree, you should see some messages indicating what's missing. Did you look in the JES-spool for the TSO procedure? I mean check SDSF, e.g. JESMSGLG DD. Cheers Michael There are no messages anywhere. Not on the screen or in the IBMUSER log or in the MVS log. Ziltch. Jim McAlpine -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FTP Get Blocked by ISPF EDIT
Ed's example concerned retrieving the member, not storing it. It seems this is not my best day for posting. I'll go look for a new pair of glasses; These seem to blank out words :-) -- Peter Hunkeler Credit Suisse -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: very strange ISHELL behaviour
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4) peter.hunke...@credit-suisse.com wrote: I don't have access to a uid=0 userid, so I cannot test myself. Anayway, ... what are the differences in the OMVS segments of both users? ... can the uid=0 userid edit plain standard MVS datasets? ... any messages in any of the logs (JESYSMSG, ISPLOG, SYSLOG) -- Peter Hunkeler CREDIT SUISSE AG uid for IBMUSER is - OMVS INFORMATION UID= 00 HOME= / PROGRAM= /bin/sh CPUTIMEMAX= NONE ASSIZEMAX= NONE FILEPROCMAX= NONE PROCUSERMAX= NONE THREADSMAX= NONE MMAPAREAMAX= NONE uid for other user is - OMVS INFORMATION UID= 001001 HOME= /user/maint PROGRAM= /bin/sh CPUTIMEMAX= NONE ASSIZEMAX= NONE FILEPROCMAX= NONE PROCUSERMAX= NONE THREADSMAX= NONE MMAPAREAMAX= NONE and yes IBMUSER can edit normal MVS files as well as edit OMVS files using 3.17 and OEDIT. and no there are no messages anywhere. Jim McAlpine -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FTP Get Blocked by ISPF EDIT
Could only be topped if the message would the who the holder was. It does. Re-quoting from the OP: is held by: 008F EDJXADM EXCL on SPFEDIT My appologies go to FTP! -- Peter Hunkeler Credit Suisse -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
SMPE assemble
I'm trying to apply maintenance. In a a PTF the tries to assemble a module. In the assembly I'm getting this warning ** ASMA429W SYSPRINT LRECL should be at least 133 when GOFF/XOBJECT option is specified And that causes the Apply to fail because of RC being 4. I looked in the SMPE Utility LOAD MODULE NAME=== ASMA90 (Name of load module invoked for this utility) HIGHEST RETURN CODE === 0(Value between 0 and 16) The highest return code to be considered successful. Note: Value may be overridden by LMOD Return Code subentry PRINT DD NAME === SYSPRINT (Name of PRINT DD statement to be used) PARM=== XREF(SHORT),DECK,NOOBJECT,GOFF,LIST(133),OPTABLE(U === NI) Being still fairly new SMPE I'm not sure if the problem is that I need a RC value of 4 not 0 Or the GOFF parameter is a problem, or I've left some DD statement out of my Apply JCL to cover the GOFF output. Anyone have a suggestion on what maybe wrong? -- Mark Pace Mainline Information Systems 1700 Summit Lake Drive Tallahassee, FL. 32317 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: very strange ISHELL behaviour
Jim, I am also running a 1.11 system (ADCD) and I do NOT have the editing problems that seem to plaguing you. Here is a RACF display of IBMUSER: == USER=IBMUSER NAME= OWNER=IBMUSER CREATED=95.157 DEFAULT-GROUP=SYS1 PASSDATE=10.084 PASS-INTERVAL=N/A PHRASEDATE=N/A ATTRIBUTES=SPECIAL OPERATIONS REVOKE DATE=NONE RESUME DATE=NONE LAST-ACCESS=10.141/15:50:18 CLASS AUTHORIZATIONS=NONE NO-INSTALLATION-DATA NO-MODEL-NAME LOGON ALLOWED (DAYS) (TIME) - ANYDAY ANYTIME GROUP=SYSCTLG AUTH=JOIN CONNECT-OWNER=IBMUSER CONNECT-DATE=95.157 CONNECTS=00 UACC=READ LAST-CONNECT=UNKNOWN CONNECT ATTRIBUTES=NONE REVOKE DATE=NONE RESUME DATE=NONE GROUP=VSAMDSET AUTH=JOIN CONNECT-OWNER=IBMUSER CONNECT-DATE=95.157 CONNECTS=00 UACC=READ LAST-CONNECT=UNKNOWN CONNECT ATTRIBUTES=NONE REVOKE DATE=NONE RESUME DATE=NONE GROUP=SYS1 AUTH=JOIN CONNECT-OWNER=IBMUSER CONNECT-DATE=95.157 CONNECTS= 4,850 UACC=READ LAST-CONNECT=10.141/15:50:18 CONNECT ATTRIBUTES=NONE REVOKE DATE=NONE RESUME DATE=NONE SECURITY-LEVEL=NONE SPECIFIED CATEGORY-AUTHORIZATION NONE SPECIFIED SECURITY-LABEL=NONE SPECIFIED TSO INFORMATION --- ACCTNUM= ACCT# PROC= ISPFPROC SIZE= 02048000 MAXSIZE= 02096128 UNIT= 3390 USERDATA= COMMAND= ispf OMVS INFORMATION UID= 00 HOME= /u/ibmuser PROGRAM= /bin/sh CPUTIMEMAX= NONE ASSIZEMAX= NONE FILEPROCMAX= NONE PROCUSERMAX= NONE THREADSMAX= NONE MMAPAREAMAX= NONE == Maybe you might spot something... Regards, John = On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4) = peter.hunke...@credit-suisse.com wrote: = = I don't have access to a uid=0 userid, so I cannot = test myself. Anayway, = = ... what are the differences in the OMVS segments of =both users? = = ... can the uid=0 userid edit plain standard MVS datasets? = = ... any messages in any of the logs (JESYSMSG, ISPLOG, SYSLOG) = = -- = Peter Hunkeler = CREDIT SUISSE AG = = = = = uid for IBMUSER is - = = OMVS INFORMATION = = UID= 00 = HOME= / = PROGRAM= /bin/sh = CPUTIMEMAX= NONE = ASSIZEMAX= NONE = FILEPROCMAX= NONE = PROCUSERMAX= NONE = THREADSMAX= NONE = MMAPAREAMAX= NONE = uid for other user is - = = OMVS INFORMATION = = UID= 001001 = HOME= /user/maint = PROGRAM= /bin/sh = CPUTIMEMAX= NONE = ASSIZEMAX= NONE = FILEPROCMAX= NONE = PROCUSERMAX= NONE = THREADSMAX= NONE = MMAPAREAMAX= NONE = and yes IBMUSER can edit normal MVS files as well as edit OMVS files using = 3.17 and OEDIT. = = and no there are no messages anywhere. = = Jim McAlpine = = -- = For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, = send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO = Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html = John Cassidy (Dipl.-Ingr.) Kapellenstr. 21a D-65193 Wiesbaden EU Mobile: +49 (0) 170 794 3616 http://www.JDCassidy.net http://en.federaleurope.org/ http://sva-zhosting.com/en/index.php -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: very strange ISHELL behaviour
Then I would use ISPF TEST or ISPVCALL to see if one of them can capture any additional information. Lizette Jim, you do not see any messages on the screen, ok. And I agree, you should see some messages indicating what's missing. Did you look in the JES-spool for the TSO procedure? I mean check SDSF, e.g. JESMSGLG DD. Cheers Michael There are no messages anywhere. Not on the screen or in the IBMUSER log or in the MVS log. Ziltch. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: very strange ISHELL behaviour
It is interesting that for IBMUSER you have ROOT for home But the other id has /user/maint Not sure if that might be suspect or not. Lizette On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 1:33 PM, Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4) peter.hunke...@credit-suisse.com wrote: I don't have access to a uid=0 userid, so I cannot test myself. Anayway, ... what are the differences in the OMVS segments of both users? ... can the uid=0 userid edit plain standard MVS datasets? ... any messages in any of the logs (JESYSMSG, ISPLOG, SYSLOG) -- Peter Hunkeler CREDIT SUISSE AG uid for IBMUSER is - OMVS INFORMATION UID= 00 HOME= / PROGRAM= /bin/sh CPUTIMEMAX= NONE ASSIZEMAX= NONE FILEPROCMAX= NONE PROCUSERMAX= NONE THREADSMAX= NONE MMAPAREAMAX= NONE uid for other user is - OMVS INFORMATION UID= 001001 HOME= /user/maint PROGRAM= /bin/sh CPUTIMEMAX= NONE ASSIZEMAX= NONE FILEPROCMAX= NONE PROCUSERMAX= NONE THREADSMAX= NONE MMAPAREAMAX= NONE and yes IBMUSER can edit normal MVS files as well as edit OMVS files using 3.17 and OEDIT. and no there are no messages anywhere. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMPE assemble
Mark, JES2 1.11 requires the parms GOFF and LIST(133). See the program directory or PSP bucket. (http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss? uid=isg1_ZOSV1R11_ZOSGEN and find 'goff') I ran the following to update the options: //SMPCNTL DD * SET BOUNDARY(GLOBAL) . UCLIN . REP UTILITY(ASMA90) NAME(ASMA90) PARM(XREF(SHORT),NOLIST,DECK,NOOBJECT,GOFF,LIST(133)). ENDUCL . Mary Anne -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMPE assemble
I have the correct PARM. The problem must be with not having the correct JCL to provide for the output of the GOFF data. On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Mary Anne Matyaz maryanne4...@gmail.comwrote: Mark, JES2 1.11 requires the parms GOFF and LIST(133). See the program directory or PSP bucket. (http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss? uid=isg1_ZOSV1R11_ZOSGEN and find 'goff') I ran the following to update the options: //SMPCNTL DD * SET BOUNDARY(GLOBAL) . UCLIN . REP UTILITY(ASMA90) NAME(ASMA90) PARM(XREF(SHORT),NOLIST,DECK,NOOBJECT,GOFF,LIST(133)). ENDUCL . Mary Anne -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Mark Pace Mainline Information Systems 1700 Summit Lake Drive Tallahassee, FL. 32317 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMPE assemble
Mark, there's a mention of that as well in the bucket: ALSO, YOU NEED TO EITHER: SPECIFY A UNIQUE OUTPUT FILE USING THE PRINT OPERAND, (FOR EXAMPLE, PRINT(ASMPRINT)) AND CREATE A DDDEF IN YOUR TARGET AND DLIB ZONES FOR ASMPRINT SPECIFYING SYSOUT, OR ADD THE FOLLOWING JCL DD CARD TO YOUR APPLY JOBS: //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=*,LRECL=133,RECFM=FBA MA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMPE assemble
Check the DDDEF for SYSPRINT. I seem to recall mine has LRECL(121) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Pace Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 09:08 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SMPE assemble I have the correct PARM. The problem must be with not having the correct JCL to provide for the output of the GOFF data. On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 10:02 AM, Mary Anne Matyaz maryanne4...@gmail.comwrote: Mark, JES2 1.11 requires the parms GOFF and LIST(133). See the program directory or PSP bucket. (http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss? uid=isg1_ZOSV1R11_ZOSGEN and find 'goff') I ran the following to update the options: //SMPCNTL DD * SET BOUNDARY(GLOBAL) . UCLIN . REP UTILITY(ASMA90) NAME(ASMA90) PARM(XREF(SHORT),NOLIST,DECK,NOOBJECT,GOFF,LIST(133)). ENDUCL . Mary Anne -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Mark Pace Mainline Information Systems 1700 Summit Lake Drive Tallahassee, FL. 32317 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: very strange ISHELL behaviour
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 2:56 PM, J. D. Cassidy s...@jdcassidy.net wrote: Jim, I am also running a 1.11 system (ADCD) and I do NOT have the editing problems that seem to plaguing you. Here is a RACF display of IBMUSER: Thanks for that but there's nothing obvious in there. Another symptom I've discovered is that if I enter an unrecognized character such as a ? in the non-IBMUSER entry panel to ISHELL I get - .-. | Errno=86x The function is not implemented; Reason=052C04DC. | | Press Enter to continue.| '-' If I do that from the IBMUSER user I get no message whatsoever. Also, from IBMUSER options or setup dropdown menus I can't open any of the options windows. Ahhh Jim McAlpine -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: very strange ISHELL behaviour
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Jim McAlpine jim.mcalp...@gmail.comwrote: On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 2:56 PM, J. D. Cassidy s...@jdcassidy.netwrote: Jim, I am also running a 1.11 system (ADCD) and I do NOT have the editing problems that seem to plaguing you. Here is a RACF display of IBMUSER: This system is actually a z/OS 1.11 system running on the Dallas RDP facility. Is anyone else running z/OS 1.11 at Dallas that could try this out. Jim McAlpine -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMPE assemble
Thanks, Mary - Changed my SYSPRINT DD to add the LRECL and RECFM fixed the problem! On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Mary Anne Matyaz maryanne4...@gmail.comwrote: Mark, there's a mention of that as well in the bucket: ALSO, YOU NEED TO EITHER: SPECIFY A UNIQUE OUTPUT FILE USING THE PRINT OPERAND, (FOR EXAMPLE, PRINT(ASMPRINT)) AND CREATE A DDDEF IN YOUR TARGET AND DLIB ZONES FOR ASMPRINT SPECIFYING SYSOUT, OR ADD THE FOLLOWING JCL DD CARD TO YOUR APPLY JOBS: //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=*,LRECL=133,RECFM=FBA MA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Mark Pace Mainline Information Systems 1700 Summit Lake Drive Tallahassee, FL. 32317 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: very strange ISHELL behaviour
Jim McAlpine wrote: .-. | Errno=86x The function is not implemented; Reason=052C04DC. | | Press Enter to continue.| '-' bpxmtext tells me there is no system root mounted. Action: Mount a root file system on /. Lizette also mentioned the root difference which could be the problem. HTH! Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Of interest to the Independent Contractors on the list
elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za (Elardus Engelbrecht) writes: Perhaps, but AFAIK, such systems stored the year in two fields. One field was used for century and another field for 2 digit year. In this case I suspect, it was stored as x'13' for 19 in one field for century and another field x'64' for year. In such systems, the year 2000 should be stored/adjusted as x'14' and x'00'. Or perhaps fixed to have one field for year. Then you get that formatting errors too resulting in 5 bytes of display values... re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010i.html#53 Of interest to the Independent Contractors on the list during old Y2K remediation thread from early 99 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#24 BA Solves Y2K (Was: Re: Chinese Solve Y2K) I reposted somebody else's contribution from an internal (CENTURY) forum in the early 80s (discussing the upcoming Y2K problems) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#email841207 one of the items from above: 2.A bit of cute code I saw once operated on a year by loading a byte of packed data into a register (using INSERT CHAR), then used LA R,1(R) to bump the year. Got into a bit of trouble when the year 196A followed 1969. I guess the problem is not everyone is aware of the odd math in calendars. People even set up new religions when they discover new calendars (sometimes) ... snip ... the reference item also mentions problem that the person encountered in Houston related to shuttle missions. -- 42yrs virtualization experience (since Jan68), online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: very strange ISHELL behaviour
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 3:21 PM, Elardus Engelbrecht elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za wrote: Jim McAlpine wrote: .-. | Errno=86x The function is not implemented; Reason=052C04DC. | | Press Enter to continue.| '-' bpxmtext tells me there is no system root mounted. Action: Mount a root file system on /. Lizette also mentioned the root difference which could be the problem. No, the root is definitely mounted and I can see it even from IBMUSER like this - EUID=0 / Type Filename _ Dir . _ Dir .. _ Dir ... _ File .sh_history _ Dir .ssh _ Syml £SYSNAME _ Syml £VERSION _ Syml bin _ Dir Daemon _ Syml dev _ Dir domino1 _ Dir domino2 _ Dir domino3 _ Dir domino4 _ Dir domino5 _ Dir domino6 _ Syml etc _ Dir java _ File jims and I can browse the file .sh_history above but I can't edit it from IBMUSER. Jim McAlpine -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMPE assemble
On Fri, 21 May 2010 09:53:11 -0400, Mark Pace wrote: PRINT DD NAME === SYSPRINT (Name of PRINT DD PARM=== XREF(SHORT),DECK,NOOBJECT,GOFF,LIST(133),OPTABLE(UNI) Being still fairly new SMPE I'm not sure if the problem is that I need a RC value of 4 not 0 Or the GOFF parameter is a problem, or I've left some DD statement out of my Apply JCL to cover the GOFF output. Anyone have a suggestion on what maybe wrong? Is SYSPRINT specified in a JCL DD or in UCLIN DDDEF? In either case, is it possible to specify LRECL=133 explicitly. If the assembler is supplying LRECL by default, it should respect the LIST(133) for SYSPRINT. But is this likely to be hostile to other utilities called by SMP/E. ISTR that the first utility invoked by SMP/E may set the LRECL for SYSPRINT, and HLASM inherits an adverse value by DCB merge. But other utilities (IEBCOPY?) may be hostile to LRECL=133. Why do you need GOFF, anyway? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: very strange ISHELL behaviour
So what are the permissions for IBMUSER for ROOT? Is it possible that IBMUSER does not have authority at root level? I think that the permissions are inherited down the file structure. So maybe somewhere between the ROOT and your file the permissions are not what you expect? Lizette Jim McAlpine wrote: .-. | Errno=86x The function is not implemented; Reason=052C04DC. | | Press Enter to continue.| '-' bpxmtext tells me there is no system root mounted. Action: Mount a root file system on /. Lizette also mentioned the root difference which could be the problem. No, the root is definitely mounted and I can see it even from IBMUSER like this - EUID=0 / Type Filename _ Dir . _ Dir .. _ Dir ... _ File .sh_history _ Dir .ssh _ Syml £SYSNAME _ Syml £VERSION _ Syml bin _ Dir Daemon _ Syml dev _ Dir domino1 _ Dir domino2 _ Dir domino3 _ Dir domino4 _ Dir domino5 _ Dir domino6 _ Syml etc _ Dir java _ File jims and I can browse the file .sh_history above but I can't edit it from IBMUSER. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMPE assemble
I had to specific LRECL=137 on the SYSPRINT DD to get it to work. On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 7:35 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.comwrote: On Fri, 21 May 2010 09:53:11 -0400, Mark Pace wrote: PRINT DD NAME === SYSPRINT (Name of PRINT DD PARM=== XREF(SHORT),DECK,NOOBJECT,GOFF,LIST(133),OPTABLE(UNI) Being still fairly new SMPE I'm not sure if the problem is that I need a RC value of 4 not 0 Or the GOFF parameter is a problem, or I've left some DD statement out of my Apply JCL to cover the GOFF output. Anyone have a suggestion on what maybe wrong? Is SYSPRINT specified in a JCL DD or in UCLIN DDDEF? In either case, is it possible to specify LRECL=133 explicitly. If the assembler is supplying LRECL by default, it should respect the LIST(133) for SYSPRINT. But is this likely to be hostile to other utilities called by SMP/E. ISTR that the first utility invoked by SMP/E may set the LRECL for SYSPRINT, and HLASM inherits an adverse value by DCB merge. But other utilities (IEBCOPY?) may be hostile to LRECL=133. Why do you need GOFF, anyway? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Daniel Allen | Serena Software, Inc. | Senior Systems Programmer - Mainframe Services Phone: 1-800-457-3736x11241 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: very strange ISHELL behaviour
Jim McAlpine wrote: No, the root is definitely mounted and I can see it even from IBMUSER like this - and I can browse the file .sh_history above but I can't edit it from IBMUSER. Ok. One last go before you open a PMR. Exactly WHAT is called for the program associated with the command 'e'? Are the IBMUSER loadlibraries the same as the other ids? What are your SYS1.SBPX* allocations to both these ids? Anything else, I think a PMR is your avenue. Sorry Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: very strange ISHELL behaviour
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 3:38 PM, Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.comwrote: So what are the permissions for IBMUSER for ROOT? Is it possible that IBMUSER does not have authority at root level? I think that the permissions are inherited down the file structure. So maybe somewhere between the ROOT and your file the permissions are not what you expect? Lizette IBMUSER is a superuser with uid=0. Doesn't that mean it can do anything to anything ? Jim McAlpine -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS file system and some Friday thoughts
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Thomas Berg Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 8:03 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: z/OS file system and some Friday thoughts SNIPPAGE Am I an idiot or just a typical programmer ? :) door flung open And there is a difference? shields at maximum Regards, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Large 3270 screen size and TSO/ISPF 6.0 on z/OS v1.10
Nick It's ironic that there should be a thread raging currently in the ASSEMBLER- LIST and attracting the attention of many of the usual suspects prominent in this list which concerns how references should be handled and here we have an example of most decidedly how *not* to handle references - that is practically to have none at all! Well, at least there's a Subject line and - with some effort which must be expended by everyone who might take an interest - that does eventually lead to an understanding of what this was all about. Just to bring everyone on board, here are the first and last post from the original thread - together with the dates in case anyone wanted to bother researching the intervening tangents: quote Subject: Large 3270 screen size and TSO/ISPF 6.0 on z/OS v1.10 - From: Mark T. Regan Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2009 10:38:53 -0800 At my site we are getting ready to upgrade from z/OS v1.9 to v1.10. I have noticed that 3270 customizable screen sizes (i.e. 65x200 or 60x132) isnt working with ISPF (ISPF 6.0) on z/OS v1.10. I get defaulted to a MOD2 screen size. Native TSO picks up the large screen size and NetView v5.3 on the same z/OS v1.10 system also works okay with the large screen size, so I think the issue is with ISPF. Any help would be appreciated. - From: Mark T. Regan Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2009 12:18:33 -0800 I have leaned that officially ISPF only supports 62 x 160. In the ISPF Users Guide Volume II, section 2.1.2 Terminal characteristics, there is a note that says ISPF supports screen sizes from 24 x 80 characters to 62 x 160 characters. When I changed to 62 x 160 it does work. I then tried 65 x 160 and it still works. So for ISPF on z/OS v1.10, it looks like a screen size loophole that allowed you to go to 200 columns has been closed. /quote Despite the fact I did actually contribute to this thread - dealing with a couple of tangents - I did *not* remember when it happened. So, I thought maybe it was some topic that arose in the last few months. However, after browsing the archives back to December without success, I recalled that Google was my friend and there it was, February and March 2009 - is this a record for reviving a thread? At this point I decided that just maybe - shock, horror, reach for the smelling salts - an answer could be found in the ISPF documentation: quote | 2. ISPF supports a minimum screen size of 24 rows and 80 | columns. The maximum screen width is 160 columns. /quote This was taken from section 2.1.2, Terminal characteristics in Interactive System Productivity Facility (ISPF), User's Guide Volume II, z/OS Version 1 Release 11.0, SC34-4823-09. Interestingly enough, those revision bars threaten to muddy the water so I was obliged to go back a level in order to see what was stated before. The apparently equivalent statement in spite of the number change is the following: quote 1. ISPF supports screen sizes from 24 x 80 characters to 62 x 160 characters. /quote Ok, there's a new 1, so what is it: quote | 1. Primary and alternate screen dimensions are determined by | the VTAM logmode and the capabilities of the terminal or | terminal emulator. These values can be displayed by the ISPF | ENVIRON settings panel and issuing the QUERY request. /quote In other words, the ISPF authors thought that the user ought to be reminded where the presentation space, aka screen, dimensions come from - and they got it wrong - in the sense that they did not really cover the topic with a suitable degree of accuracy. The presentation space dimensions can be set either in stone in a mode table entry or they can be set by the, typically these days, emulator customisation together with a mode table entry which in effect says go and ask the 'workstation' what dimensions the 3270 display window would like to have today. So, getting back to the original post, the manual has it: ISPF is prepared to support presentation of information in its 3270 display panels up to 160 characters in width. It is implied by omission that ISPF is prepared to support panels of indefinite depth starting with V1R11 changing from a maximum of 62 previously. Oddly enough the authors did not consider this implied enhancement deserved comment in the Summary of Changes which appears simply to be copied unchanged into all ISPF manuals. While composing my response, I got back to the original thread at this point - with the results given above. I see I got involved later but I really should have jumped in at the start with an answer to Mark Regan's question: ... so I think the issue is with ISPF. Any help would be appreciated. with Erm, the manual can also be *helpful*! One of the posts from a Peter Farley indicated that he has/had a magic version of ISPF which supported 65x200! And when I finally got through all the posts, I discovered that Mark Regan, after having opened up a formal problem with IBM, was - one hopes politely - reminded
Re: Large 3270 screen size and TSO/ISPF 6.0 on z/OS v1.10
The TSO environment was most usefully updated in V1R11 at least with the logon here function - long available in VM, it has to be said. Perhaps it was some manifestation of rigor mortis! Chris Mason On Thu, 20 May 2010 11:04:58 -0400, zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com wrote: My bad -- I meant that the entire environment is pretty stable and not updated; it seems that it's the ISPF layer that is having trouble here, not TSO itself. I realize they're different, but they're *almost* synonymous. My point remains: where's the win for IBM? On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 9:59 AM, Thompson, Steve steve_thomp...@stercomm.com wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of zMan Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 8:36 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Large 3270 screen size and TSO/ISPF 6.0 on z/OS v1.10 On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 4:48 AM, Nick Jones nbjone...@talktalk.net wrote: Mark, Sorry to pick up on this old post but we have just upgraded from z/OS 1.9 to z/OS 1.11 and, like you, take advantage of screen sizes in excess of 62x160. We have the same problem with ISPF 6.1 as you had with ISPF 6.0. i.e. TSO obeys the terminal setting of 86x190, as does SELCOPY/i when run directly from TSO, but ISPF switches to MOD 2. Did you manage to get a solution (or an explination) from IBM ? What's to explain? TSO is old and grotty, and supporting random screen sizes in fullscreen apps is a pain. By no means impossible, of course, but a lot of work. Will making that investment sell more TSO or keep sites from migrating off? Unlikely... so why would they do it? Unpleasant reality, but reality nonetheless. SNIPPAGE Let me see if I have this right. TSO supports the huge screen size. So it is old and grotty. ISPF has a problem with it and forces MOD2. But it is OK since it supports the workstation model with GUI. The problem with ISPF, according to one of the guys here who does more stuff with ISPF than I do, is that ISPF supports a smaller size -- because for whatever reason, they [ISPF] changed things to use a smaller workspace/buffer/screen size/addressing (it was one of those or some combination). IIRC, an earlier release of ISPF *WAS* supporting the larger sizes (was that z/OS 1.6?). But, TSO supports the humungous screen sizes -- so it is old grotty and well, dead. Reality, not perception. Regards, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
gif,doc,html - LRECL's
I xfer files that have .gif, .doc, .html, .pdf extensions from my pc to a mainframe HFS to be hosted by a mainframe webserver. I have to move these around to get them where I want. I copy them out of my HFS to a sequential file and then moved to a different system to be copied back to a different HFS. The lrecl and blksize are automatically determined when copying from ISHELL and everything works out fine but I would like to skip some steps and copy from my PC to a pre-allocated sequential file directly. My question is, what is the rule of thumb for determining LRECLs for file types like this ?? How do I know what they should be if I am pre-allocating the dataset that they will be uploaded to ? xxx.DOC PSVB automatically set -- 32756 32760 xxx.GIF PSVB automatically set -- 18443 27998 xxx.HTMLPSVB automatically set -- 26412 27998 Rgrds, Joseph Sumi -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM to announce new MF's this year
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers as well. Anne Lynn Wheeler l...@garlic.com writes: and old email about numerical intensive clustering scalup ... with LLNL and other gov. labs (just hrs before the effort was transferred and we were told we couldn't work on anything with more than four processors). http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006x.html#email920129 then press item a couple weeks later http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001n.html#6000clusters1 17feb92 and then http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001n.html#6000clusters2 19jun92 re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010i.html#61 IBM to announce new MF's this year the 19jun92 press item includes quote about clustering coming as complete surprise to the company. the indifference to clustering also earlier had contributed to my wife not remaining very long in POK (responsible for mainframe loosely-coupled architecture); that and ongoing battles with the sna organization that the loosely-coupled operations needed to go thru vtam. nearly all the top supercomputers are now clusters (although they may be various kinds of clusters involving clustered combinations of smaller units that have various kinds of shared memory) http://www.top500.org/ LLNL wiki page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lawrence_Livermore_National_Laboratory supercomputer wiki page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercomputer -- 42yrs virtualization experience (since Jan68), online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
z/OS 1.11 Dallas RDP system request (was very strange ISHELL behaviour)
Anyone on the list have access to a z/OS 1.11 Dallas RDP system. If so could you do me a favour and log on to IBMUSER and select the OS option (ISHELL) from the primary menu and try to edit the .sh_history file in the root directory and let me know what happens. TIA Jim McAlpine -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: gif,doc,html - LRECL's
On Fri, 21 May 2010 11:49:50 -0400, Sumi, Joseph J. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) wrote: I xfer files that have .gif, .doc, .html, .pdf extensions from my pc to a mainframe HFS to be hosted by a mainframe webserver. I have to move these around to get them where I want. I copy them out of my HFS to a sequential file and then moved to a different system to be copied back to a different HFS. The lrecl and blksize are automatically determined Is it not possible to go direct from HFS to HFS and omit the legacy data set waystation? when copying from ISHELL and everything works out fine but I would like to skip some steps and copy from my PC to a pre-allocated sequential file directly. My question is, what is the rule of thumb for determining LRECLs for file types like this ?? How do I know what they should be if I am pre-allocating the dataset that they will be uploaded to ? xxx.DOC PSVB automatically set -- 32756 32760 xxx.GIF PSVB automatically set -- 18443 27998 xxx.HTMLPSVB automatically set -- 26412 27998 If you must, I'd suggest using pax -w ... with output directed to a legacy data set to unload the HFS files en masse; transfer that data set to the different system, and use pax -r ... to reload them. No more worry about LRECL, RECFM. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: gif,doc,html - LRECL's
Is it not possible to go direct from HFS to HFS and omit the legacy data set waystation? Unfortunately, no, it is not possible right now. I'd suggest using pax -w ... I want to totally bypass system#1/hfs#1 ... I want to IND$FILE to a seq on system#2 and then OPUT to hfs#2. Looking to figure out what DCB to use for the seq files on system#2. The PAX method looks to still involve system#1. Rgrds, Joseph Sumi -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 12:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: gif,doc,html - LRECL's On Fri, 21 May 2010 11:49:50 -0400, Sumi, Joseph J. (CMS/CTR) (CTR) wrote: I xfer files that have .gif, .doc, .html, .pdf extensions from my pc to a mainframe HFS to be hosted by a mainframe webserver. I have to move these around to get them where I want. I copy them out of my HFS to a sequential file and then moved to a different system to be copied back to a different HFS. The lrecl and blksize are automatically determined Is it not possible to go direct from HFS to HFS and omit the legacy data set waystation? when copying from ISHELL and everything works out fine but I would like to skip some steps and copy from my PC to a pre-allocated sequential file directly. My question is, what is the rule of thumb for determining LRECLs for file types like this ?? How do I know what they should be if I am pre-allocating the dataset that they will be uploaded to ? xxx.DOC PSVB automatically set -- 32756 32760 xxx.GIF PSVB automatically set -- 18443 27998 xxx.HTMLPSVB automatically set -- 26412 27998 If you must, I'd suggest using pax -w ... with output directed to a legacy data set to unload the HFS files en masse; transfer that data set to the different system, and use pax -r ... to reload them. No more worry about LRECL, RECFM. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
SMS QUESTION
Good Morning Gentle Readers, I am in the processing of allocating a SC SG for several new aliases in SMS. The user doesn't want this particular STORAGE GROUP to have migration. This sounds okay however since there is no DFHSM in this partition is it necessary to pay particular attention or modify the MANAGEMENT class CONSTRUCT ACS routines? The archiving tool in this partitioin is CA-DISK. Thanks in advance -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMS QUESTION
You might want to consider the management class activity if there is a possibility the data/application could move to a lpar with DFHSM. If that's unlikely, then it's not necessary. Mike Wickman -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of esmie moo Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 11:37 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: [IBM-MAIN] SMS QUESTION Good Morning Gentle Readers, I am in the processing of allocating a SC SG for several new aliases in SMS. The user doesn't want this particular STORAGE GROUP to have migration. This sounds okay however since there is no DFHSM in this partition is it necessary to pay particular attention or modify the MANAGEMENT class CONSTRUCT ACS routines? The archiving tool in this partitioin is CA-DISK. Thanks in advance -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMS QUESTION
Michael, Thank you. No, there is no plans to have DFHSM in this partition. The client is satisfied with CA-ALLOCATE/CA-DISK. Thanks. --- On Sat, 5/22/10, Michael Wickman mwick...@waddell.com wrote: From: Michael Wickman mwick...@waddell.com Subject: Re: SMS QUESTION To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Received: Saturday, May 22, 2010, 4:42 AM You might want to consider the management class activity if there is a possibility the data/application could move to a lpar with DFHSM. If that's unlikely, then it's not necessary. Mike Wickman -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of esmie moo Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 11:37 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: [IBM-MAIN] SMS QUESTION Good Morning Gentle Readers, I am in the processing of allocating a SC SG for several new aliases in SMS. The user doesn't want this particular STORAGE GROUP to have migration. This sounds okay however since there is no DFHSM in this partition is it necessary to pay particular attention or modify the MANAGEMENT class CONSTRUCT ACS routines? The archiving tool in this partitioin is CA-DISK. Thanks in advance -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Large 3270 screen size and TSO/ISPF 6.0 on z/OS v1.10
Chris Mason wrote: The TSO environment was most usefully updated in V1R11 at least with the logon here function - long available in VM, it has to be said. Perhaps it was some manifestation of rigor mortis! TSO/E also recently got password phrase support. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Large 3270 screen size and TSO/ISPF 6.0 on z/OS v1.10
Hi, Just a thought. I had a user with a similar problem as he wanted to set his screen size to 35x155 and started to fail when I installed z/OS 1.10. What we found out was that in TSOKEY00 the buffersizes were too small to support it and when we increased them he was able to use the larger screen size. I don't know if they changed when I installed z/OS 1.10, or if we were right at the limit of what we could use and 1.10 put us over the buffer size. We set them to: HIBFREXT=48000, LOBFREXT=24000, Sorry, but I don't remember what they were set to before we changed them. HTH...Guy M. Gates Jr. TTI Z/OS Systems Programmer II Email: guy.ga...@ttiinc.com z/OS - World class computing. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS file system and some Friday thoughts
Automatic QED. On 5/21/10, Thompson, Steve steve_thomp...@stercomm.com wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Thomas Berg Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 8:03 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: z/OS file system and some Friday thoughts SNIPPAGE Am I an idiot or just a typical programmer ? :) door flung open And there is a difference? shields at maximum Regards, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society. -Krishnamurti I am as you, in you, for you. One as you in all, as all, forever. My call is your call. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FTP Get Blocked by ISPF EDIT
Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4) wrote: Ed: How happy would you be if your automated ftp process successfully replaces the member someone else is editing at the same time. A single SAVE and your successfull ftp isn't worth a dime anymore. That is a different scenario entirely. My situation is not a remote PUT. Rather, my situation is a remote GET that fails simply because someone, perhaps even someone without UPDATE/SAVE access to the library, decided to bring the member up under ISPF EDIT. Unless I'm missing something, it seems like any Joe Blow goofing around and/or with malicious intent can exploit this behavior to break any process involving remote FTP GET. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: gif,doc,html - LRECL's
Hi Joseph, With regard to your desire to move gifs, docs, and HTML around. Like Paul, I would query the need for the z/OS Sequential file at all. Instead of IND$FILE, FTP is more useful here. I have used both the Windows supplied FTP, and GlobalSCAPE's CuteFTP to perform this function transmitting direct from the PC hard drive to the target HFS folder of my choice. I tend to keep the master copies of such items on the PC as it is more convenient for a variety of reasons. In the context of FTP it should be possible to ship from one z/OS System to another all things being equal. Kind Regards - Terry Director KMS-IT Limited 228 Abbeydale Road South Dore Sheffield S17 3LA UK Reg : 3767263 Outgoing e-mails have been scanned, but it is the recipients responsibility to ensure their anti-virus software is up to date. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: gif,doc,html - LRECL's
FTP works fine to system1/hfs1. I do not have the ability to do that with system2/hfs2 at the moment. Rgrds, Joseph Sumi -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Terry Sambrooks Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 12:58 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: gif,doc,html - LRECL's Hi Joseph, With regard to your desire to move gifs, docs, and HTML around. Like Paul, I would query the need for the z/OS Sequential file at all. Instead of IND$FILE, FTP is more useful here. I have used both the Windows supplied FTP, and GlobalSCAPE's CuteFTP to perform this function transmitting direct from the PC hard drive to the target HFS folder of my choice. I tend to keep the master copies of such items on the PC as it is more convenient for a variety of reasons. In the context of FTP it should be possible to ship from one z/OS System to another all things being equal. Kind Regards - Terry Director KMS-IT Limited 228 Abbeydale Road South Dore Sheffield S17 3LA UK Reg : 3767263 Outgoing e-mails have been scanned, but it is the recipients responsibility to ensure their anti-virus software is up to date. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Large 3270 screen size and TSO/ISPF 6.0 on z/OS v1.10
Gates, Guy wrote: We set them to: HIBFREXT=48000, LOBFREXT=24000, Having small values here results in hang conditions writing large screens, not a 24x80 (aka Mod2) appearance under ISPF. FWIW, our values are set thusly: HIBFREXT=96000, LOBFREXT=48000, -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
DFHSM Doc on when it resets the dataset changed flag(bit)
I can't find a definitive statement in the DFhsm books as to when and how this flag is reset when backing up. Or does it set it at all? For historical (hysterical) reasons, we do both FDR and HSM backups. FDR for the hypothetical:) DR and HSM for user convenience. Awhile back, we made a markedly unsuccessful attempt to switch completely to FDR. We've lost to Systems people since and are unlikely to try again. Anyway, FDR has a setting to not reset the flag in a mixed environment like this. I thought DFHSM would reset it but it appears that the flag is not being reset by anything and I'm getting an additional and unneeded back-up by each FDR run. HSM appears to be following the SMS definition for back-up frequency. Ibmlink SIS didn't find anything, but crafting a proper search argument for this is problematic. Data and changed and flag appear frequently :) Dave Gibney Information Technology Services Washington State University -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: very strange ISHELL behaviour
Perhaps an initial edit macro set (under that applied) causing problems? You could try renaming / deleting BPXWPROF from the ISPPROF data set and see what happens. Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:mzel...@flash.net Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Large 3270 screen size and TSO/ISPF 6.0 on z/OS v1.10
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Gates, Guy Hi, Just a thought. I had a user with a similar problem as he wanted to set his screen size to 35x155 and started to fail when I installed z/OS 1.10. What we found out was that in TSOKEY00 the buffersizes were too small to support it and when we increased them he was able to use the larger screen size. I don't know if they changed when I installed z/OS 1.10, or if we were right at the limit of what we could use and 1.10 put us over the buffer size. We set them to: HIBFREXT=48000, LOBFREXT=24000, Sorry, but I don't remember what they were set to before we changed them. On z/OS 1.11 we have HIBFREXT=6600, LOBFREXT=3300, with which I run 62x160 without problems. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FTP Get Blocked by ISPF EDIT
On Fri, 21 May 2010 09:56:27 -0700, Edward Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com wrote: Unless I'm missing something, it seems like any Joe Blow goofing around and/or with malicious intent can exploit this behavior to break any process involving remote FTP GET. -- Edward - Then any Joe Blow should not have read access to the said dataset. This is no more of an issue than a sequential file being updated. You cannot GET an edited sequential file either. The file is being used for output, the user has exclusive control of that data at that time. It is called data integrity, which is the backbone of a mainframe. How about this: Say this restriction did not exist. Say someone has the member open in edit attempting to change it. You FTP in and do a GET, your FTP finishes. Seconds after the member is saved by the user. You have old data! Is that really what you wanted in the first place? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMS QUESTION
Esmie, CA-Disk can be setup to honor the management class attributes or ignore them by setting a parameter in SYSPARMS parmlib member. Since the DSL gave us everything we needed to manage our datasets, we chose to ignore the management class in our shop but we still assign management class in case we ever decide to switch to DFHSM. As long as the dasd in the storage group is not shared with any other lpar (system) that has DFHSM running and you do not run the archive command against the volumes in the storage group, management class is of no consequence. Not setting the management class will result in the dataset getting the default management class specified in you sms configuration. This could be a big clean up effort if you ever decided to switch to DFHSM or have CA-Disk use the management class attributes to manage the datasets in the storage group. Regards, John Michael, Thank you. No, there is no plans to have DFHSM in this partition. The client is satisfied with CA-ALLOCATE/CA-DISK. Thanks. From: Michael Wickman mwick...@waddell.com Subject: Re: SMS QUESTION To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Received: Saturday, May 22, 2010, 4:42 AM You might want to consider the management class activity if there is a possibility the data/application could move to a lpar with DFHSM. If that's unlikely, then it's not necessary. Mike Wickman NOTICE: The information contained in this electronic mail transmission is intended by Convergys Corporation for the use of the named individual or entity to which it is directed and may contain information that is privileged or otherwise confidential. If you have received this electronic mail transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying or forwarding it, and notify the sender of the error by reply email or by telephone (collect), so that the sender's address records can be corrected. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMS QUESTION
I am confused. Doesn't the MANAGEMENT class kick in even there is no DFHSM in place. For example the EXPIRE after Retention Limit is this only relevant if DFHSM is installed? How about if there is FDR instead? What would control the management of these dsns : Expire after Days Non-usage . : Expire after Date/Days . . . . : Retention Limit . . . . . . . : --- On Sat, 22/5/10, Michael Wickman mwick...@waddell.com wrote: From: Michael Wickman mwick...@waddell.com Subject: Re: SMS QUESTION To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Received: Saturday, 22 May, 2010, 2:42 AM You might want to consider the management class activity if there is a possibility the data/application could move to a lpar with DFHSM. If that's unlikely, then it's not necessary. Mike Wickman -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of esmie moo Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 11:37 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: [IBM-MAIN] SMS QUESTION Good Morning Gentle Readers, I am in the processing of allocating a SC SG for several new aliases in SMS. The user doesn't want this particular STORAGE GROUP to have migration. This sounds okay however since there is no DFHSM in this partition is it necessary to pay particular attention or modify the MANAGEMENT class CONSTRUCT ACS routines? The archiving tool in this partitioin is CA-DISK. Thanks in advance -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FTP Get Blocked by ISPF EDIT
On 05/21/2010 11:59 AM, Edward Jaffe wrote: Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4) wrote: Ed: How happy would you be if your automated ftp process successfully replaces the member someone else is editing at the same time. A single SAVE and your successfull ftp isn't worth a dime anymore. That is a different scenario entirely. My situation is not a remote PUT. Rather, my situation is a remote GET that fails simply because someone, perhaps even someone without UPDATE/SAVE access to the library, decided to bring the member up under ISPF EDIT. Unless I'm missing something, it seems like any Joe Blow goofing around and/or with malicious intent can exploit this behavior to break any process involving remote FTP GET. So how is MVS supposed to distinguish between an instance of someone who shouldn't be editing the data or has no intention of saving vs. someone who is editing critical changes that must be saved before the next remote GET should be allowed to proceed to avoid sending the remote user erroneous data? If it is more important that the GET have minimal possibility of failure than to get the absolutely latest update, the best option may be to make a mirror copy of the data at an agreed on point in time into a dataset with restricted READ access and use that for the actual FTP transfer. -- Joel C. Ewing, Fort Smith, ARjremoveccapsew...@acm.org -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: DFHSM Doc on when it resets the dataset changed flag(bit)
IIRC, DFHSM will reset the change bit on DS backup. I have not heard of any way to change this. DFHSM *DOES* have an option to reset/not reset the changed bit on DS dump. HTH, snip I can't find a definitive statement in the DFhsm books as to when and how this flag is reset when backing up. Or does it set it at all? /snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FTP Get Blocked by ISPF EDIT
On Fri, 21 May 2010 12:25:00 -0500, Joel C. Ewing jcew...@acm.org wrote: If it is more important that the GET have minimal possibility of failure than to get the absolutely latest update, the best option may be to make a mirror copy of the data at an agreed on point in time into a dataset with restricted READ access and use that for the actual FTP transfer. I think a better option would be put the data on some Micro$oft server. Sorry, couldn't resist. :) It is Friday after all... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FTP Get Blocked by ISPF EDIT
Old data is not a problem. Had he FTPed two minutes earlier he would have gotten old data. All data is old in that it may change at some point in the future. The problem is only if the user does a preliminary save -- being cautious after having made half of his changes -- and you GET a version that was never intended to be integral. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Patrick Lyon Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 10:23 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: FTP Get Blocked by ISPF EDIT On Fri, 21 May 2010 09:56:27 -0700, Edward Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com wrote: How about this: Say this restriction did not exist. Say someone has the member open in edit attempting to change it. You FTP in and do a GET, your FTP finishes. Seconds after the member is saved by the user. You have old data! Is that really what you wanted in the first place? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
DFSORT - ICETOOL Question
Group It's Friday and my brain is NOT working. I'm having a heck of a time putting together an ICETOOL step. The output is every record in dataset 1 that has a matching key in dataset 2. The 2 datasets have different LRECLs and the key is in different positions. DS1: LRECL=400 KEY=7 for a length of 13 (note: 7 is column position, not offset) DS2: LRECL=80 KEY=2 for a length of 13 OUTPUT is all records in DS1 that have a matching key in DS2. I've looked at the SELECT and SPLICE examples in the DFSORT guide and here is what I have but I'm guessing I'm way off base. I'm getting records from both input datasets into the output where I require only the records from DS1. Thanks for any insights! Bill //* -- //* FIND MATCHING RECORDS //* - KEYS IN DIFFERNT POSITIONS //* -- //FINDREC EXEC PGM=ICETOOL //TOOLMSG DD SYSOUT=* //DFSMSG DD SYSOUT=* //DS1 DD DSN=dataset.number.1,DISP=SHR //DS2 DD DSN=dataset.number.2,DISP=SHR //T1 DD DSN=work.dataset, // DISP=(MOD,CATLG,KEEP),UNIT=SYSDA, // SPACE=(CYL,(100,10),RLSE), // DCB=(RECFM=FB,LRECL=400,BLKSIZE=0) //OUT DD DSN=output.dataset, // DISP=(MOD,CATLG,KEEP),UNIT=SYSDA, // SPACE=(CYL,(100,10),RLSE), // DCB=(RECFM=FB,LRECL=400,BLKSIZE=0) //TOOLIN DD * COPY FROM(DS1) TO(T1) USING(CTL1) COPY FROM(DS2) TO(T1) USING(CTL2) SPLICE FROM(T1) TO(OUT) ON(6,13,CH) WITH(6,13) /* //CTL1CNTL DD * OUTREC BUILD=(1:1,400) /* //CTL2CNTL DD * OUTREC BUILD=(6:1,80) /* Bill George FTB | Tax Systems and Applications Bureau | BETS Interface Team Office: 916.845.6459 | ms: L-210 | location: LA2B-B-5-02 email: william.geo...@ftb.ca.gov mailto:william.geo...@ftb.ca.gov __ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email from the State of California is for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review or use, including disclosure or distribution, is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of this email. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: DFHSM Doc on when it resets the dataset changed flag(bit)
That's what I thought, yet my FDR incrementals back-up the datasets every run, changed or not. Dave Gibney Information Technology Services Washington State University -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Staller, Allan Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 10:38 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: DFHSM Doc on when it resets the dataset changed flag(bit) IIRC, DFHSM will reset the change bit on DS backup. I have not heard of any way to change this. DFHSM *DOES* have an option to reset/not reset the changed bit on DS dump. HTH, snip I can't find a definitive statement in the DFhsm books as to when and how this flag is reset when backing up. Or does it set it at all? /snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Amazing article.
FWIW Those aren't my comments. Those were the ones I was responding to, but I think the quote got mangled. I just posted a link to an article that indicated the same as you are saying: http://searchdatacenter.techtarget.com/news/article/0,289142,sid80_gci15 08584,00.html -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 8:56 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Amazing article. In 4c5d185039a6a0499f76fa65ac606dbc0452d...@nct0010cp3mb04.ds.irsnet.gov, on 05/18/2010 at 05:06 PM, Hylton Tom P tom.p.hyl...@irs.gov said: OS/2 is dead, FSVO dead. so users were forced to migrate off. Some were. Possibly some existing and closed applications are being in use nowadays. There's still application development. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
SDSF Authority Change with z/OS 1.9
Hello group, I have another puzzler that I haven't solved yet. We've migrated from z/OS 1.7 to 1.9 and some people have lost the ability to view output that is in held class 5. This doesn't seem to be affecting everyone as there's lots of entries in class 5 and various jobs and I've only heard from two people. We're using the SDSF server with ISFPRM00 in a pds, not external security. Any clues how I can rectify this? The SDSF manual is a lot less clear on non-SAF security than it used to be. Alan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
What am I missing on XPLINK(OSCALL(N)) ?
I've got some C++ code. The C++ code calls several functions written in
assembler. This all works non-XPLINK. I compile it with XPL(OSCALL(N)). I
bind into a PDSE. I run it z/OS batch. The C++ code takes off and runs. I
can see that it survives several C++ method calls. The first call to one of
the assembler functions it falls on its face somewhere after leaving the C++
code and before returning. Storage has been overlaid badly enough that the
save area trace and so forth is pretty much junk. I have desk-checked the
assembler function - it's only 50 lines including lots of comments - and as
I said, it works non-XPLINK. It makes no calls although it does do a STORAGE
OBTAIN,LOC=24
Am I doing things generally correctly? What should I be looking for?
The assembler routine is defined in the C++ code as
extern OS {
myStruct *GETG24();
}
It begins GETG24 EDCPRLG DSALEN=CDSALEN,BASEREG=R12 and ends with EDCEPIL
, and once again, it works non-XPLINK.
Charles Mills
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Re: DFSORT - ICETOOL Question
William George wrote on 05/21/2010 10:47:54 AM: It's Friday and my brain is NOT working. I'm having a heck of a time putting together an ICETOOL step. The output is every record in dataset 1 that has a matching key in dataset 2. The 2 datasets have different LRECLs and the key is in different positions. DS1: LRECL=400 KEY=7 for a length of 13 (note: 7 is column position, not offset) DS2: LRECL=80 KEY=2 for a length of 13 OUTPUT is all records in DS1 that have a matching key in DS2. ... Bill, I need some more information. Please show an example of the records in each input file (relevant fields only) and what you expect for output. Explain the rules for getting from input to output. Give the starting position, length and format of each relevant field. Give the RECFM and LRECL of the input files. If file1 can have duplicates within it, show that in your example. If file2 can have duplicates within it, show that in your example.) If you have the DFSORT PTF for JOINKEYS, it might be a better choice than SPLICE. So please run this job and show the //SYSOUT messages you receive, so I can see what level you're at: //S1EXEC PGM=SORT //SYSOUTDD SYSOUT=* //SORTIN DD * RECORD //SORTOUT DD DUMMY //SYSINDD* OPTION COPY /* Frank Yaeger - DFSORT Development Team (IBM) - yae...@us.ibm.com Specialties: JOINKEYS, FINDREP, WHEN=GROUP, ICETOOL, Symbols, Migration = DFSORT/MVS is on the Web at http://www.ibm.com/storage/dfsort/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: DFHSM Doc on when it resets the dataset changed flag(bit)
Dave, Are you using autobackup y on your storage groups or the incremental option on the backvol command(s)? Regards, John 513-723-7527 john.king...@convergys.com From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Gibney, Dave [gib...@wsu.edu] Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 1:16 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: DFHSM Doc on when it resets the dataset changed flag(bit) I can't find a definitive statement in the DFhsm books as to when and how this flag is reset when backing up. Or does it set it at all? For historical (hysterical) reasons, we do both FDR and HSM backups. FDR for the hypothetical:) DR and HSM for user convenience. Awhile back, we made a markedly unsuccessful attempt to switch completely to FDR. We've lost to Systems people since and are unlikely to try again. Anyway, FDR has a setting to not reset the flag in a mixed environment like this. I thought DFHSM would reset it but it appears that the flag is not being reset by anything and I'm getting an additional and unneeded back-up by each FDR run. HSM appears to be following the SMS definition for back-up frequency. Ibmlink SIS didn't find anything, but crafting a proper search argument for this is problematic. Data and changed and flag appear frequently :) Dave Gibney Information Technology Services Washington State University -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html NOTICE: The information contained in this electronic mail transmission is intended by Convergys Corporation for the use of the named individual or entity to which it is directed and may contain information that is privileged or otherwise confidential. If you have received this electronic mail transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying or forwarding it, and notify the sender of the error by reply email or by telephone (collect), so that the sender's address records can be corrected. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: FTP Get Blocked by ISPF EDIT
On Fri, 21 May 2010 10:47:38 -0700, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: Old data is not a problem. Had he FTPed two minutes earlier he would have gotten old data. All data is old in that it may change at some point in the future. The problem is only if the user does a preliminary save -- being cautious after having made half of his changes -- and you GET a version that was never intended to be integral. I beg to differ. Any data read prior to update would not be old data. It is current data at that time. Regardless of the validity of the data. But once again, it's Friday. :) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMS QUESTION
John, You always get a management class assigned for a sms-managed dataset. You need a product like DFSMShsm, CA-Disk or FDR/ABARS to take action based on the attributes in the management class. You might get an expiration date assigned to a dasd dataset if you have a retention limit but again, you need a data management product to take the action. Regards, John I am confused. Doesn't the MANAGEMENT class kick in even there is no DFHSM in place. For example the EXPIRE after Retention Limit is this only relevant if DFHSM is installed? How about if there is FDR instead? What would control the management of these dsns : Expire after Days Non-usage . : Expire after Date/Days . . . . : Retention Limit . . . . . . . : --- On Sat, 22/5/10, Michael Wickman mwick...@waddell.com wrote: From: Michael Wickman mwick...@waddell.com Subject: Re: SMS QUESTION To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Received: Saturday, 22 May, 2010, 2:42 AM You might want to consider the management class activity if there is a possibility the data/application could move to a lpar with DFHSM. If that's unlikely, then it's not necessary. Mike Wickman -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of esmie moo Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 11:37 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: [IBM-MAIN] SMS QUESTION Good Morning Gentle Readers, I am in the processing of allocating a SC SG for several new aliases in SMS. The user doesn't want this particular STORAGE GROUP to have migration. This sounds okay however since there is no DFHSM in this partition is it necessary to pay particular attention or modify the MANAGEMENT class CONSTRUCT ACS routines? The archiving tool in this partitioin is CA-DISK. Thanks in advance -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html NOTICE: The information contained in this electronic mail transmission is intended by Convergys Corporation for the use of the named individual or entity to which it is directed and may contain information that is privileged or otherwise confidential. If you have received this electronic mail transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying or forwarding it, and notify the sender of the error by reply email or by telephone (collect), so that the sender's address records can be corrected. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What am I missing on XPLINK(OSCALL(N)) ?
SNIP I've got some C++ code. The C++ code calls several functions written in assembler. This all works non-XPLINK. I compile it with XPL(OSCALL(N)). I bind into a PDSE. I run it z/OS batch. The C++ code takes off and runs. I can see that it survives several C++ method calls. The first call to one of the assembler functions it falls on its face somewhere after leaving the C++ code and before returning. Storage has been overlaid badly enough that the save area trace and so forth is pretty much junk. I have desk-checked the assembler function - it's only 50 lines including lots of comments - and as I said, it works non-XPLINK. It makes no calls although it does do a STORAGE OBTAIN,LOC=24 SNIP You may have already taken this into account, but the whole thing with XPLINK is that it is a different linkage mechanism between modules. If your assembler code expects the standard register conventions, what piece of code in the calling C++ would do that? --Dave -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: DFSORT - ICETOOL Question
Page 9 of http://www-947.ibm.com/systems/support/storage/software/sort/mvs/tricks/pdf/sorttrck.pdf has a sample of how to do this. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of George.William Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 10:48 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: DFSORT - ICETOOL Question Group It's Friday and my brain is NOT working. I'm having a heck of a time putting together an ICETOOL step. The output is every record in dataset 1 that has a matching key in dataset 2. The 2 datasets have different LRECLs and the key is in different positions. DS1: LRECL=400 KEY=7 for a length of 13 (note: 7 is column position, not offset) DS2: LRECL=80 KEY=2 for a length of 13 OUTPUT is all records in DS1 that have a matching key in DS2. I've looked at the SELECT and SPLICE examples in the DFSORT guide and here is what I have but I'm guessing I'm way off base. I'm getting records from both input datasets into the output where I require only the records from DS1. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: DFSORT - ICETOOL Question
Thanks Barry! I used to have this bookmarked but the bookmark I had no longer was valid. I've now got it re-bookmarked! Bill -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Schwarz, Barry A Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 11:33 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: DFSORT - ICETOOL Question Page 9 of http://www-947.ibm.com/systems/support/storage/software/sort/mvs/tricks/ pdf/sorttrck.pdf has a sample of how to do this. __ CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email from the State of California is for the sole use of the intended recipient and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review or use, including disclosure or distribution, is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and destroy all copies of this email. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
