date:20110503

Hi all

' Add'l Volume Amount ' which decides if Primary or Secondary space is first 
taken on additional volume extends. 

My english is poor.I don't understand it. Could you give me a sample how to use 
it?


Thanks a lot!

Best Regards,

Jason Cai 

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Re: Add'l Volume Amount

2011-05-03 Thread Gonzalo Cengotita

It means that if the dataset is multivolume, when it expands to another
volume you can decide wether you want to use the amount of the primary
allocation or the amount of the secondary allocation to expand.

Suppose you have a dataset created with SPACE=10,5 cylinders

If you filled with primary value the dataset wil try allocations in new
volumes with 10 cylinders
If you filled with Secondary value the dataset will try allocations in new
volumes with 5 cylinders

Regards,

Gonzalo Cengotita




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 Hi all

 ' Add'l Volume Amount ' which decides if Primary or Secondary space is
 first taken on additional volume extends.

 My english is poor.I don't understand it. Could you give me a sample how to
 use it?


 Thanks a lot!

 Best Regards,

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Re: Add'l Volume Amount

Dear


It means that if the dataset is multivolume, when it expands to another
volume you can decide wether you want to use the amount of the primary
allocation or the amount of the secondary allocation to expand.
Suppose you have a dataset created with SPACE=10,5 cylinders

 What situation do dataset expands to another volume ?

 If the dataset is full, it will extent 5 cylinders.

 When it extent 5 cylinders,the volume is full. In this situation,does dataset 
expand to another volume?

Then it will :

If you filled with primary value the dataset wil try allocations in new
volumes with 10 cylinders
If you filled with Secondary value the dataset will try allocations in new
volumes with 5 cylinders


does it mean that if volume isn't full,dataset always extent 5 cylinders and if 
volume is full,dataset always extent 10 cylinders?


What is benefit of  Add'l Volume Amount ?

Thanks again!

Best Regards,

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Re: Problem with LPA=xx on IEASYSxx

2011-05-03 Thread Veilleux, Jon L

Can you post your IEASYSxx member? It might help us find the problem.

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Subject: Problem with LPA=xx on IEASYSxx

Hi,

I have an extrange problem for mi. On the member  IEASYSxx y have a sentence 
for the LPALST library concatenations (LPA=xx).

I discovered that the SVC for CICS when I start CICS isssue a problem that 
couldn't found the SVC 216.

I follow the SYSLOG and not appear any sentence that the system use the LPAxx 
that I put on IEASYSxx.

I appreciate any suggestions.

Kind Regards.

Hilario.

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Re: Editing Unicode Files in z/OS?

2011-05-03 Thread John McKown

we don't use Unicode at all. Went I need to, I use ISPF editor in ACSII
mode. Otherwise I would ftp download in BINary mode, edit on Linux, then ftp
upload in BINary again.
On May 3, 2011 12:31 AM, Timothy Sipples timothy.sipp...@us.ibm.com
wrote:
 This question isn't any sort of official IBM survey or anything like that
 -- just a question arising out of personal curiosity.

 I'm wondering what IBM-MAINers like to use for editing Unicode (UTF-8,
 UTF-16, and/or UTF-32) files on z/OS. There are of course graphical
 options (notably Rational Developer for System z) which work great, but
for
 this question I'm more focused on text editors that meet the following
 attributes:

 1. Accessible via TN3270E (i.e. 3270 editors) and/or Telnet (to z/OS
UNIX
 System Services) -- i.e. old school terminal mode editors;
 2. Support editing UTF-8, UTF-16, and/or UTF-32;
 3. Support sequential (QSAM), VSAM, PDS/PDSE, HFS/zFS, DB2, and/or IMS
data
 (i.e. whatever you can imagine).

 If you'd like to reply to me offline, that's perfectly fine -- either way.
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Re: Overloaded acronyms

John Gilmore kindly wrote:

It is useful, even highly desirable to provide enough context to disambiguate 
an acronym when it has several senses in common use among the members of 
some group, readers of IBM-MAIN posts, say.

Agreed!

Consider now the acronyms and interpretation pairs:

There was an old thread 'Offenders list for Acronym Police' started by Shmuel 
in 2002. Check it up!;-D

SMF
Société Mathématique de France
System Management Facility

SMF and TSO - 19 entries each in www.acronymfinder.com (that was in 2002)

Today SMF has now 61 meanings and 228 in acronymfinder's attic...

etc. I'm not going to check other overload acronyms... ;-D


Here on IBM-MAIN it would, I think, be good practice  to to avoid ambiguous 
acronyms in captions, and to to explicate an acronym the first time it is used, 
as in . . . Perform Locked Operation (PLO) . . .   after which, PLO, having 
been 
locally disambiguated, can be used freely.

Good point! For once I agree to agree with you. :-D

Ok, I'm now goint to STFU! ;-D

Groete / Greetings
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Re: Problem with LPA=xx on IEASYSxx

2011-05-03 Thread Wayne Driscoll

Forgive me for asking the simple question first - After you updated 
PARMLIB to modify the contents of the LPA, did you remember to IPL with 
CLPA?

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Hi,

I have an extrange problem for mi. On the member  IEASYSxx y have a 
sentence for
the LPALST library concatenations (LPA=xx).

I discovered that the SVC for CICS when I start CICS isssue a problem that
couldn't found the SVC 216.

I follow the SYSLOG and not appear any sentence that the system use the
LPAxx that I put on IEASYSxx.

I appreciate any suggestions.

Kind Regards.

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Re: Add'l Volume Amount

2011-05-03 Thread Gonzalo Cengotita

On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:57 PM, ibmnew ibm...@163.com wrote:

 Dear


 It means that if the dataset is multivolume, when it expands to another
 volume you can decide wether you want to use the amount of the primary
 allocation or the amount of the secondary allocation to expand.
 Suppose you have a dataset created with SPACE=10,5 cylinders

  What situation do dataset expands to another volume ?

 If the dataset is full, it will extent 5 cylinders.

  When it extent 5 cylinders,the volume is full. In this situation,does
 dataset expand to another volume?


Yes, if the dataset is multivolume


 Then it will :

 If you filled with primary value the dataset wil try allocations in new
 volumes with 10 cylinders
 If you filled with Secondary value the dataset will try allocations in
 new
 volumes with 5 cylinders


 does it mean that if volume isn't full,dataset always extent 5 cylinders
 and if volume is full,dataset always extent 10 cylinders?

 Yes, if you fill this field with Primary


 What is benefit of  Add'l Volume Amount ?


You could have a large pool of many disks with a lot of fragmentation and in
this situation, you will prefer secondary amount wich is usually less than
primary.

Keep in mind that the quantity of the allocation must be found all in one
piece, no fragmentation is allowed, so you will get less errors if the
allocation in a new volume try with the lesser value.

(The example would be better if the dataset would have SPACE=2000,50
cylinders)

Of course all of it depends on the size of the dataset, and the number of
disks, etc

I hope it is clear enough, English is not my mother tongue, too!

Regards

Gonzalo Cengotita




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Re: Add'l Volume Amount

2011-05-03 Thread Mike Schwab

Sequential datasets have a limit of 16 extents.  Once a volume is up
to 16 extents and needs more space, it goes to another volume or
abends with a Sx37 abend.  Alternatively, there may not be room on the
volume for another extent, I.E. 400 cylinders on a mod 1, the 3rd
extent could not fit.

On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 5:57 AM, ibmnew ibm...@163.com wrote:
 Dear

It means that if the dataset is multivolume, when it expands to another
volume you can decide wether you want to use the amount of the primary
allocation or the amount of the secondary allocation to expand.
Suppose you have a dataset created with SPACE=10,5 cylinders

  What situation do dataset expands to another volume ?

  If the dataset is full, it will extent 5 cylinders.

  When it extent 5 cylinders,the volume is full. In this situation,does 
 dataset expand to another volume?


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Re: Problem with LPA=xx on IEASYSxx

2011-05-03 Thread Chase, John

 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Hilario G.
 
 Hi,
 
 I have an extrange problem for mi. On the member  IEASYSxx y have a
sentence for
 the LPALST library concatenations (LPA=xx).
 
 I discovered that the SVC for CICS when I start CICS isssue a problem
that
 couldn't found the SVC 216.
 
 I follow the SYSLOG and not appear any sentence that the system use
the
 LPAxx that I put on IEASYSxx.

Did you IPL with CLPA=YES?

-jc-

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Re: Mixing Auth and Non-Auth Modules

In 4dbeddbf.6f0f.008...@efirstbank.com, on 05/02/2011
   at 04:35 PM, Frank Swarbrick frank.swarbr...@efirstbank.com said:

Are you saying that most z/OS COBOL programmers are aware of what SVC
and PC routines are?

No[1]. Are you saying that security breaches don't matter until the
majority of your programmers are exploiting them?

[1] I am saying that they should have at least a general idea,
but Gresham's law and Sturgeon's law apply.
 
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Re: USS vs USS

In
1323301781-1304392396-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-5962648...@bda2487.bisx.prod.on.blackberry,
on 05/03/2011
   at 03:13 AM, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca said:

And, it's not worth all this BS.

Then why do you always turn a minor correction that is a part of a
longer response into a separate subthread arguing the usage?
 
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Re: Ported tools for z/OS on ADCD

In banlktim+kocn4ux3pjyuluwnlkmcdpm...@mail.gmail.com, on 05/02/2011
   at 07:49 PM, Itschak Mugzach imugz...@gmail.com said:

Everybodu uses USS for Unix System Services,

No.

including IBM.

John Eels is from IBM.
 
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Re: Editing Unicode Files in z/OS?

In
of147e803b.28eaa3dd-on48257885.001d3d31-48257885.001e3...@us.ibm.com,
on 05/03/2011
   at 01:30 PM, Timothy Sipples timothy.sipp...@us.ibm.com said:

1. Accessible via TN3270E (i.e. 3270 editors) and/or Telnet (to
z/OS UNIX System Services) -- i.e. old school terminal mode
editors;

Aren't 3270 and NVT both more sophisticated than the old school
terminals? Are there any 3270 simulators or TN3270 clients that
support Unicode? If so, will ISPF (and XEDIT for the VM crowd) work
with them?
 
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Re: Add'l Volume Amount

2011-05-03 Thread Gonzalo Cengotita

Mike,

I agree with you, just a little correction.
The limit of extents is 16 per volume if the dataset is non-extended. For
extended sequential datasets would be 123 per volume.

Regards,

Gonzalo Cengotita


On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Mike Schwab mike.a.sch...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sequential datasets have a limit of 16 extents.  Once a volume is up
 to 16 extents and needs more space, it goes to another volume or
 abends with a Sx37 abend.  Alternatively, there may not be room on the
 volume for another extent, I.E. 400 cylinders on a mod 1, the 3rd
 extent could not fit.

 On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 5:57 AM, ibmnew ibm...@163.com wrote:
  Dear
 
 It means that if the dataset is multivolume, when it expands to another
 volume you can decide wether you want to use the amount of the primary
 allocation or the amount of the secondary allocation to expand.
 Suppose you have a dataset created with SPACE=10,5 cylinders
 
   What situation do dataset expands to another volume ?
 
   If the dataset is full, it will extent 5 cylinders.
 
   When it extent 5 cylinders,the volume is full. In this situation,does
 dataset expand to another volume?
 

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Re: TSO Profile NUM and PACK

In a6b9336cdb62bb46b9f8708e686a7ea005d9901...@nrhmms8p02.uicnrh.dom,
on 05/02/2011
   at 09:23 AM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com said:

Are you humor impaired?

Are you a failed comedian?

Or maybe you've just be around the government too long.

Or maybe I just understand the issues better than you.

And, yes, I know about ISPF's modification level use of the
sequence columns.

Suggesting that you don't understand the issues. The use of columns
79-90 is only a minor part of why sequence numbers are useful.
 
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IKJEFT01

I'm trying to run a TSO command using IKJEFT01 but I want the command to work 
on 
a dataset. Possible?

TIA

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Re: IKJEFT01

2011-05-03 Thread Scott Rowe

Yes.

On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 9:14 AM, Bill Johnson mellonb...@yahoo.com wrote:

 I'm trying to run a TSO command using IKJEFT01 but I want the command to
 work on
 a dataset. Possible?

 TIA

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Re: IKJEFT01

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work on is pretty vague.  Clarify.

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Re: IKJEFT01

2011-05-03 Thread Stone, Sandy

Check Quickref! 
Great help. 
s

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I'm trying to run a TSO command using IKJEFT01 but I want the command to
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Re: IKJEFT01

Perform the command on a dataset





From: Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com
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I'm trying to run a TSO command using IKJEFT01 but I want the command to work 
on
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work on is pretty vague.  Clarify.

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Under z/OS Unix

2011-05-03 Thread Kirk Wolf

FWIW, IBM publications now use the current terminology:  z/OS UNIX
System Services (z/OS UNIX).  This is not a discussion of the
commonly used yet disputed TLA.  Please.

I've been thinking about this for some time, and what I would like to
discuss - and in some areas clear up my own technical assumptions - is
this:

What is z/OS Unix, and what do people mean when they say under USS
(or the more proper: under z/OS Unix) ?

Of course, the phrase itself is not the problem.   It is the common
misconceptions of z/OS Unix that I would like to discuss.   I
realize that there are some here who despise z/OS Unix, and Under
z/OS Unix / Under USS is good enough granularity to describe all
the crap that they can't stand.  If this is you, please go back to
discussing the TLA ;-)

z/OS Unix is somewhat difficult to define, but here is an overview by IBM:
(See: 
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/bpxzb2b0/1.0?SHELF=EZ2ZBK0KDT=20100625104049
)

My own conception model (perhaps flawed) is that there are a bunch of
related things:

1) POSIX / XPG4 APIs
XPLINK and non-XPLINK LE C libraries

2) Lower level APIs  (assembler or other HLLs)

http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/bpxzb1b0/CCONTENTS?SHELF=EZ2ZBK0KDN=SA22-7803-13DT=20100701130653
These are used to implement (1).
Just about any program  / job can call these or (1), and the first
time it does it gets dubbed (8) with a z/OS Unix PID and can use the
kernel (below)

3) The Kernel Address space (BPXOINIT?)
Common services for (1), (2)

4) The zFS filesystem (including its address space, APIs, storage
container, etc).
This is POSIX / UNIX compliant, and can be used by any dubbed job.
HFS was the previous version, which is still available but stabilized.
APIs in (1) and (2) allow you to use these, but also
QSAM/BSAM/BPAM front-ends.

5) z/OS Unix command binaries
Program binder objects that are stored in (or linked to by) a file
in the zFS or HFS filesystem (4).
Unix command binaries can be invoked by BPXBATCH/COZBATCH (see
10), or via fork()/spawn() APIs in (1) or (2), or more commonly by a
shell (see 6).

6) The Unix  shell program (/bin/sh, and example of (5)
Also part of the POSIX / XPG specs.   Closest legacy z/OS analog
would be IKJEFT01 + CLISTS + REXX, but this is kind of a stretch :-)
There are other shells, like tcsh, bash, etc, that can be used.
IBM supplies /bin/sh and /bin/tcsh with z/OS Unix.
The shell can be run interactively, under TSO OMVS (see 10), via a
TTY-style telnet connection (see 9), or in batch via BPXBATCH/COZBATCH
(see 10).

7) BPXAS initiator and its forked / (non locally) spawned address spaces.
Typically associated with the z/OS Unix shell (6) and Unix
commands (5), but not necessarily so.
Check out the fork()  and spawn() services in (2) for some good information.

8) A z/OS job that is dubbed (has issued a service (1) or (2) and
has a Unix PID.
This doesn't preclude it from accessing other resources, like
traditional z/OS Datasets, etc.
A regular batch job (EXEC PGM=) loaded from a regular PDS,  pick
your favorite language, can be dubbed and use (1) and/or (2) and get
services from (3), use (4), (5), (7)

9) A TCP/IP connection to z/OS to TTY-style telnet (non-3270) / rlogin
/ or sshd Unix login which runs the user's default login shell.  (For
example, using PuTTY on Windows)

10) TSO commands, ISPF dialogs, and batch utilities and other stuff
that can work with all of the above.
- For example, BPXBATCH is a program that allows you to run a Unix
command alone or under the shell under TSO or batch.   IMO it has
stifling limitations, is difficult to use, and contributes to the
notion that z/OS Unix is difficult to use.   Our free COZBATCH
utility is an improved alternative.

- The OMVS TSO command is also contributory to the Under z/OS
UNIX problem - it allows you to run a shell under TSO, but it is not
integrated well with ISPF (IMO).

- TSO/REXX has a ton of facilities for using z/OS UNIX.  These
include a Host Command Environment for the shell, for many APIs in
(1), and the ability to put a REXX exec in the UNIX file system and to
treat it like a command (5) in a shell (6).   There is also the
bpxwunix() function, which is a REXX wrapper for fork()/exec().

So, when people say Under z/OS UNIX ( or Under USS), which of
these do they mean?

 - Running a Unix shell (6) ?
 - Under BPXBATCH / COZBATCH (10) ?
 - Under the TSO OMVS command (10) ?
 - Under (9) ?
 - Using a zFS / HFS filesystem (4) ?
 - Dubbed (has a Unix PID) (8) ?

To me, Under USS is as almost nondescript as saying Under TSO to
refer to:  TN3270+ISPF or IKJEFT01 in batch or a TSO/REXX exec.   I
believe that some people have a conception model of z/OS Unix that is
similar to the old OS/2 Windows so called Penalty Box.   Again, I
believe that the TSO OMVS command and BPXBATCH have fostered this
incorrect notion.

Kirk Wolf
Dovetailed

Re: IKJEFT01

Bill Johnson wrote:

I'm trying to run a TSO command using IKJEFT01 but I want the command to 
work on a dataset. Possible?

Yes, it depends (batch or interactive).

What command do you want to use? What is your aim/goal with the dataset?

Groete / Greetings
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Re: IKJEFT01

2011-05-03 Thread Mary Anne Matyaz

Bill, maybe you could give us an example, like, do you want to do a listcat?
Yes, you can do that. Edit a dataset? Sure, can do. 

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Re: IKJEFT01

2011-05-03 Thread Field, Alan C.

Still not much help.

You mean something like?

//TSO EXEC PGM=IKJEFT01,REGION=8M,DYNAMNBR=75 
//SYSTSPRT DD SYSOUT=*
//SYSTSIN  DD *   
PROFILE PREFIX(userid)
EDIT NS28.DATA
V ON  
C * 999 /NOT SCRTCH/NOT SCRTCH/ ALL   
END NOSAVE 
DELETE NS28.DATA
LISTD 'SYS1.PARMLIB' M
/*  

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Perform the command on a dataset





From: Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com
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Subject: Re: IKJEFT01

On Tue, 3 May 2011 06:14:08 -0700, Bill Johnson wrote:

I'm trying to run a TSO command using IKJEFT01 but I want the command
to work 
on
a dataset. Possible?

work on is pretty vague.  Clarify.

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Re: Ported tools for z/OS on ADCD

Are we ready to let this thread die?  We go round and round with this
without any meaningful movement from our relatively entrenched positions.
 Apart from some fairly humorous quips and some long winded prose
there is little progress made.

I did have an idea for helping the context (and google searches) that forces
all to suffer (all suffering is the core of compromise? VBG)  VTAM USS or
zOS USS  context is clear and google searches return the correct
information.  viva la evolution! VBG

Where is Amy Farrah Fowler when we need her?  I am sure Sheldon would agree
that USS would only have one use determined by him.

I expect that this argument will go on for the next 20 or 30 years.  After
which USS will be ceded to Unix System Services as a no-prize (marvel
reference) due to lack of opposition and the fact that no one will care
anymore.

Rob Schramm

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shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote:

 In banlktim+kocn4ux3pjyuluwnlkmcdpm...@mail.gmail.com, on 05/02/2011
at 07:49 PM, Itschak Mugzach imugz...@gmail.com said:

 Everybodu uses USS for Unix System Services,

 No.

 including IBM.

 John Eels is from IBM.

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Re: IKJEFT01

2011-05-03 Thread Barkow, Eileen

If you mean that you want the commands to run from a job stream, then just run 
a clist from batch or invoke the IKJEFT01
Module passing it the name of the clist to run in the first parameter and pass 
parms to the clist in the following parms:

/***
/TSO  EXEC PGM=IKJEFT10,
/  PARM=('CLIST PARM1 PARM2'), 

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I'm trying to run a TSO command using IKJEFT01 but I want the command to work 
on 
a dataset. Possible?

TIA

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Re: IKJEFT01

Our security guy normally issues Top Secret commands using IKJEFT01. He wants 
to 
be able to point to an old Top Secret database no the active one.

From: Mary Anne Matyaz maryanne4...@gmail.com
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 9:31:24 AM
Subject: Re: IKJEFT01

Bill, maybe you could give us an example, like, do you want to do a listcat?
Yes, you can do that. Edit a dataset? Sure, can do. 

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Re: Under z/OS Unix

Kirk Wolf wrote:

 If this is you, please go back to discussing the TLA ;-)

Damn! You're confusing me! Two, Three or Thousand Letter Acronym? ;-D


Ok, seriously. If you could get good replies, would you be kind to post it here?

Please.

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Re: IKJEFT01

2011-05-03 Thread Barry Merrill

I know that, in the past, TSO in Batch only executed commands that used
GETLINE/PUTLINE,
and that any command that instead used GET and PUT caused the input stack of
commands
to simply stop at that command.  I don't know if this is still true, but if
the command
doesn't execute, perhaps it's still true.

Barry Merrill

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Subject: Re: IKJEFT01

If you mean that you want the commands to run from a job stream, then just
run a clist from batch or invoke the IKJEFT01 Module passing it the name of
the clist to run in the first parameter and pass parms to the clist in the
following parms:

/***
/TSO  EXEC PGM=IKJEFT10,
/  PARM=('CLIST PARM1 PARM2'), 

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I'm trying to run a TSO command using IKJEFT01 but I want the command to
work on a dataset. Possible?

TIA

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Re: IKJEFT01

2011-05-03 Thread Barkow, Eileen

I have a job stream which executes TSO clists and did not notice any 
restriction on the commands that can be run.
The job stream also runs SDSF batch and that is another story with its 
limitations on the commands that can be run and how they are executed.

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I know that, in the past, TSO in Batch only executed commands that used
GETLINE/PUTLINE,
and that any command that instead used GET and PUT caused the input stack of
commands
to simply stop at that command.  I don't know if this is still true, but if
the command
doesn't execute, perhaps it's still true.

Barry Merrill

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Subject: Re: IKJEFT01

If you mean that you want the commands to run from a job stream, then just
run a clist from batch or invoke the IKJEFT01 Module passing it the name of
the clist to run in the first parameter and pass parms to the clist in the
following parms:

/***
/TSO  EXEC PGM=IKJEFT10,
/  PARM=('CLIST PARM1 PARM2'), 

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I'm trying to run a TSO command using IKJEFT01 but I want the command to
work on a dataset. Possible?

TIA

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Re: IKJEFT01

Bill Johnson wrote:

Our security guy normally issues Top Secret commands using IKJEFT01. He 
wants to be able to point to an old Top Secret database no the active one.

Ok, now we are getting hot. The question is now about issuing a Top Secret 
command using some keywords pointing to something else. Not about IKJEFT.

Perhaps you could show here the command and all its keywords tried out?

And give some output received too...

Perhaps some Top Secret guru could helps?

Groete / Greetings
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Re: IKJEFT01

2011-05-03 Thread Lizette Koehler

 
 I'm trying to run a TSO command using IKJEFT01 but I want the command to
work on
 a dataset. Possible?
 
 TIA

Bill,

TSO Batch is very similar to TSO Foreground.  So if you can do in ISPF
Option 6 you can do it in batch.

As others have pointed out, provide an example of what you want to do.
For example, if you want to edit a dataset in batch do you want native TSO
or ISPF Edit?


You can use the LM functions so can do something like 3..
You can use REXX/CLIST and execute things like RENAME, DELETE, LISTC

Depending on how you want to run in batch you should look up the differences
between

IKJEFT01
IKJEFT1A
IKJEFT1B

They all handle errors in TSO batch a little differently.

HTH

Lizette

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Re: IKJEFT01

2011-05-03 Thread Chase, John

 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bill Johnson
 
 Our security guy normally issues Top Secret commands using IKJEFT01.
He wants to
 be able to point to an old Top Secret database no the active one.

I can't speak to CA-TSS, but RACF commands issued via IKJEFT01 work ONLY
on the active RACF database, and not on any archive copy of one.  I
suspect that CA-TSS would have a similar limitation, but you'd
probably find that answered definitively in the CA-TSS documentation.

-jc-

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Re: TSO Profile NUM and PACK

2011-05-03 Thread John McKown

Then explain them to this poor fool. I find them to be a useless
anachronism. And your answers tend to be so short as to be unhelpful.

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On May 3, 2011 8:03 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) 
shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote:

In a6b9336cdb62bb46b9f8708e686a7ea005d9901...@nrhmms8p02.uicnrh.dom,
on 05/02/2011
  at 09:23 AM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com said:

Are you humor impaired?

Are you a failed comedian?


Or maybe you've just be around the government too long.
Or maybe I just understand the issues better than you.


And, yes, I know about ISPF's modification level use of the
sequence columns.
Suggesting that you don't understand the issues. The use of columns
79-90 is only a minor part of why sequence numbers are useful.


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Re: IKJEFT01

AFAIK.. you can't issue Top Secret commands to an inactive data base.  If
there was a utility.. it would basically be running TSS under the covers to
do the work.  You can restart TSS with another DB and then issue commands
and restart again to get it back to the original DB.  The address spaces
that are already active should continue to remain active with their
associated ACEEs.  The only thing (mostly true) you have to concern yourself
with is creating new ACEEs during the time in which the old data base is
active.

And modifying a dead DB directly is a really bad idea... but you might be
able to make small changes... but it would be a better idea to follow the
restart TSS path.

Rob Schramm

On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht 
elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za wrote:

 Bill Johnson wrote:

 Our security guy normally issues Top Secret commands using IKJEFT01. He
 wants to be able to point to an old Top Secret database no the active one.

 Ok, now we are getting hot. The question is now about issuing a Top Secret
 command using some keywords pointing to something else. Not about IKJEFT.

 Perhaps you could show here the command and all its keywords tried out?

 And give some output received too...

 Perhaps some Top Secret guru could helps?

 Groete / Greetings
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Re: IKJEFT01

2011-05-03 Thread Lizette Koehler

 Our security guy normally issues Top Secret commands using IKJEFT01. He
 wants to be able to point to an old Top Secret database no the active one.
 
 Elardus  Wrote:  Ok, now we are getting hot. The question is now about
issuing a Top Secret
 command using some keywords pointing to something else. Not about IKJEFT.
 
 Perhaps you could show here the command and all its keywords tried out?
 
 And give some output received too...
 
 Perhaps some Top Secret guru could helps?


Top Secret has the database name loaded in a control block at IPL time.  It
will typically only access that database.  There is no way I know of that
will allow you to use something like a TSS.OLD in JCL to access it.  In racf
I use to unload the RACF database to a sequential file to create reports or
generate command to update the RACF database.  

I am not sure you can put the TSS database in JCL and have TSO batch use it.

I would contact CA Top Secret and ask them how to do what you want.

Lizette

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Re: IKJEFT01

Yeah, that's what I thought. Thanks everyone.

From: Chase, John jch...@ussco.com
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Sent: Tue, May 3, 2011 10:01:37 AM
Subject: Re: IKJEFT01

 -Original Message-
 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bill Johnson

 Our security guy normally issues Top Secret commands using IKJEFT01.
He wants to
 be able to point to an old Top Secret database no the active one.

I can't speak to CA-TSS, but RACF commands issued via IKJEFT01 work ONLY
on the active RACF database, and not on any archive copy of one.  I
suspect that CA-TSS would have a similar limitation, but you'd
probably find that answered definitively in the CA-TSS documentation.

-jc-

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Re: TSO Profile NUM and PACK

2011-05-03 Thread Don Leahy

Perhaps he is referring to IEBUPDTE?  I don't know of anyone who maintains
code that way, but there might be someone out there who does.

Personally, I have been campaigning against the use of sequence numbers in
Cobol programs for years.

On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 10:03, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.comwrote:

 Then explain them to this poor fool. I find them to be a useless
 anachronism. And your answers tend to be so short as to be unhelpful.

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 shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote:

 In a6b9336cdb62bb46b9f8708e686a7ea005d9901...@nrhmms8p02.uicnrh.dom,
 on 05/02/2011
  at 09:23 AM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com said:

 Are you humor impaired?

 Are you a failed comedian?


 Or maybe you've just be around the government too long.
 Or maybe I just understand the issues better than you.


 And, yes, I know about ISPF's modification level use of the
 sequence columns.
 Suggesting that you don't understand the issues. The use of columns
 79-90 is only a minor part of why sequence numbers are useful.


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Re: Editing Unicode Files in z/OS?

2011-05-03 Thread Steve Comstock


On 5/2/2011 11:30 PM, Timothy Sipples wrote:

This question isn't any sort of official IBM survey or anything like that
-- just a question arising out of personal curiosity.

I'm wondering what IBM-MAINers like to use for editing Unicode (UTF-8,
UTF-16, and/or UTF-32) files on z/OS. There are of course graphical
options (notably Rational Developer for System z) which work great, but for
this question I'm more focused on text editors that meet the following
attributes:

1. Accessible via TN3270E (i.e. 3270 editors) and/or Telnet (to z/OS UNIX
System Services) -- i.e. old school terminal mode editors;
2. Support editing UTF-8, UTF-16, and/or UTF-32;
3. Support sequential (QSAM), VSAM, PDS/PDSE, HFS/zFS, DB2, and/or IMS data
(i.e. whatever you can imagine).

If you'd like to reply to me offline, that's perfectly fine -- either way.
Thanks in advance.

- - - - -
Timothy Sipples
Resident Enterprise Architect
Value Creation  Complex Deals Team
IBM Growth Markets (Based in Singapore)
E-Mail: timothy.sipp...@us.ibm.com


I think editing Unicode files from ISPF would be great.
It would allow you to build HTML pages in native mode
and avoid translation. Most emulators could handle
the extra characters (heck, even Notepad can handle
Unicode). One problem might be keyboard entry. I've
always thought this Russian keyboard could be modified
to provide keys for all characters since each key is
actually a small led screen:

  http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/



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Re: Editing Unicode Files in z/OS?

I had been using Putty connecting via openssh, tagging the file, setting the
_BPXK_AUTOCVT=ON and editing with vi for quick edits.  For longer ones I
would SFTP it in binary to Ultraedit, fix it up and SFTP it back.

Rob Schramm

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 On 5/2/2011 11:30 PM, Timothy Sipples wrote:

 This question isn't any sort of official IBM survey or anything like that
 -- just a question arising out of personal curiosity.

 I'm wondering what IBM-MAINers like to use for editing Unicode (UTF-8,
 UTF-16, and/or UTF-32) files on z/OS. There are of course graphical
 options (notably Rational Developer for System z) which work great, but
 for
 this question I'm more focused on text editors that meet the following
 attributes:

 1. Accessible via TN3270E (i.e. 3270 editors) and/or Telnet (to z/OS
 UNIX
 System Services) -- i.e. old school terminal mode editors;
 2. Support editing UTF-8, UTF-16, and/or UTF-32;
 3. Support sequential (QSAM), VSAM, PDS/PDSE, HFS/zFS, DB2, and/or IMS
 data
 (i.e. whatever you can imagine).

 If you'd like to reply to me offline, that's perfectly fine -- either way.
 Thanks in advance.

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 I think editing Unicode files from ISPF would be great.
 It would allow you to build HTML pages in native mode
 and avoid translation. Most emulators could handle
 the extra characters (heck, even Notepad can handle
 Unicode). One problem might be keyboard entry. I've
 always thought this Russian keyboard could be modified
 to provide keys for all characters since each key is
 actually a small led screen:

  http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/



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Re: TSO Profile NUM and PACK

On Tue, 3 May 2011 09:03:12 -0500, John McKown wrote:

Then explain them to this poor fool. I find them to be a useless
anachronism. And your answers tend to be so short as to be unhelpful.

PACK, surely.  Nowadays, that function is best left to microcode
in the DASD subsystem so it can be transparent to all applications.
(Unless you consider CPU cycles cheaper than I/O bandwidth.)

On May 3, 2011 8:03 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:

And, yes, I know about ISPF's modification level use of the
sequence columns.
Suggesting that you don't understand the issues. The use of columns
79-90 is only a minor part of why sequence numbers are useful.

I've long wondered, if sequence numbers are so valuable, why
haven't they spread outside the progeny of unit record systems?

o Well, there's COBOL, which allows sequence numbers at both
  left and right ends of the line.

o And BASIC, or at least used to be.  Does Microsoft VBA still
  use sequence numbers for editing?  And have a RENUMBER
  command wihch updates GOTOs accordingly?

o A colleague once described to me an [S|X]DS Sigma system which
  stored text files as a sort of KSDS (no, not the San Diego
  radio station).  The keys were the sequence numbers, and
  mandatory.  I suppose this allowed efficient insertion or
  deletion of lines.

o PDP-6 et seq. stored 5 USASCII characters in a 36-bit word.
  If the sign bit was set in the first word in a line, that
  word was treated as a sequence number (but by what translators
  or applications?)

Most of these conventions are obsolescent.

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Re: Editing Unicode Files in z/OS?

On Tue, 3 May 2011 10:25:29 -0400, Rob Schramm wrote:

I had been using Putty connecting via openssh, tagging the file, setting the
_BPXK_AUTOCVT=ON and editing with vi for quick edits.  For longer ones I
would SFTP it in binary to Ultraedit, fix it up and SFTP it back.

On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Steve Comstock st...@trainersfriend.comwrote:

 I think editing Unicode files from ISPF would be great.
 It would allow you to build HTML pages in native mode
 and avoid translation. Most emulators could handle
 the extra characters (heck, even Notepad can handle
 Unicode). One problem might be keyboard entry. I've
 always thought this Russian keyboard could be modified
 to provide keys for all characters since each key is
 actually a small led screen:

  http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/

The de facto standard for HTML is UTF-8.  Can _BPXK_AUTOCVT=ON
deal with this?  The Pigeonhole Principle comes to mind.

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Re: Editing Unicode Files in z/OS?

As long as you tag the file.
On May 3, 2011 10:43 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote:
 On Tue, 3 May 2011 10:25:29 -0400, Rob Schramm wrote:

I had been using Putty connecting via openssh, tagging the file, setting
the
_BPXK_AUTOCVT=ON and editing with vi for quick edits. For longer ones I
would SFTP it in binary to Ultraedit, fix it up and SFTP it back.

On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Steve Comstock st...@trainersfriend.com
wrote:

 I think editing Unicode files from ISPF would be great.
 It would allow you to build HTML pages in native mode
 and avoid translation. Most emulators could handle
 the extra characters (heck, even Notepad can handle
 Unicode). One problem might be keyboard entry. I've
 always thought this Russian keyboard could be modified
 to provide keys for all characters since each key is
 actually a small led screen:

 http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/

 The de facto standard for HTML is UTF-8. Can _BPXK_AUTOCVT=ON
 deal with this? The Pigeonhole Principle comes to mind.

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Re: TSO Profile NUM and PACK

2011-05-03 Thread Mike Schwab

Starting back in OS/360 days, user modifications utilized the sequence
number to indicate where to apply the various multiple user
modifications against the base operating system source code.  I know
our site was still using JES2 user modifications until about 4 years
ago.  This has mostly been supplemented by exit routines.

Outside mainframe operating systems, most user customization is done
by writing your own program instead of modifying the base operating
system.  And programs come as complete units instead of merging
multiple user modifications.

On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote:
 On Tue, 3 May 2011 09:03:12 -0500, John McKown wrote:

Then explain them to this poor fool. I find them to be a useless
anachronism. And your answers tend to be so short as to be unhelpful.

 PACK, surely.  Nowadays, that function is best left to microcode
 in the DASD subsystem so it can be transparent to all applications.
 (Unless you consider CPU cycles cheaper than I/O bandwidth.)

On May 3, 2011 8:03 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:

And, yes, I know about ISPF's modification level use of the
sequence columns.
Suggesting that you don't understand the issues. The use of columns
79-90 is only a minor part of why sequence numbers are useful.

 I've long wondered, if sequence numbers are so valuable, why
 haven't they spread outside the progeny of unit record systems?

 o Well, there's COBOL, which allows sequence numbers at both
  left and right ends of the line.

 o And BASIC, or at least used to be.  Does Microsoft VBA still
  use sequence numbers for editing?  And have a RENUMBER
  command wihch updates GOTOs accordingly?

 o A colleague once described to me an [S|X]DS Sigma system which
  stored text files as a sort of KSDS (no, not the San Diego
  radio station).  The keys were the sequence numbers, and
  mandatory.  I suppose this allowed efficient insertion or
  deletion of lines.

 o PDP-6 et seq. stored 5 USASCII characters in a 36-bit word.
  If the sign bit was set in the first word in a line, that
  word was treated as a sequence number (but by what translators
  or applications?)

 Most of these conventions are obsolescent.

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Re: Adabas Pricing model

2011-05-03 Thread Giovanni Santuz


Hi,

my customer  runs 2 z/196 and is changeing the  old-CICS/DB2/ADABAS 
based software to Java-based AIX-Software, where System Z is a big 
DB2-Datasharing DATABASE Server for this application.


From the old times they still have some CICS-ADABAS and 
CICS-DB2-Systems running.


For the IBM-Software they use the SCRT Reports (VWLC+ZNLAC), and use 
Groupcapping for the old applications.
This works fine for IBM, but for SAG it does not work. They donot accept 
the SCRT-Reports


As far as I can remember (this goes back almost 5-6 Years), they cut a 
deal with SAG, paying so much as they paid before all the upgrades of 
the hardware occured.


SO I think you have to do some hard bargaining with them :-)

Gio

Am 03.05.2011 07:30, schrieb Gibney, Dave:

Rumor has it that they do. Totally unconfirmed as far as I know. Have
you heard the expression pulling hen's teeth?


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Subject: Adabas Pricing model

Hi,

I was asked today if Software AG had a sub capacity pricing model for
Adabas
and Natural.  My first inclination was to tell them to call SAG, but
they
told me that they were unable to get any kind of response back on the
question, so I tried myself, and I have not been able to get a

response

either, so I decided I would give you guys a shot.

Is anyone aware of any sites that run Adabas/Natural under a sub-
capacity
license agreement?  I think it's priced by MSU, so it makes sense that
they
would have one, but I can't tell either way.

Any comments?

Thanks for your help.

Brian

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Re: Under z/OS Unix

2011-05-03 Thread Mark Zelden

On Tue, 3 May 2011 08:29:53 -0500, Kirk Wolf k...@dovetail.com wrote:

big snip

To me, Under USS is as almost nondescript as saying Under TSO to
refer to:  TN3270+ISPF or IKJEFT01 in batch or a TSO/REXX exec.   I
believe that some people have a conception model of z/OS Unix that is
similar to the old OS/2 Windows so called Penalty Box.   Again, I
believe that the TSO OMVS command and BPXBATCH have fostered this
incorrect notion.


Nice post. 

This is close...

Under z/OS Unix / Under USS is good enough granularity to describe
all the crap that they can't stand. But without the last part as I don't
think everyone who uses that terminology dislikes z/OS Unix.  

But I think your last part I quoted is probably closer.   People don't
say under USS when they use FTP or Telnet for example, so I think
it referrers more to interactive or batch execution of processes - other
than those that didn't used to required z/OS unix (like FTP and Telnet).

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Re: Under z/OS Unix

In banlktimb1q91h1vus0kl9aweaedr3fl...@mail.gmail.com, on 05/03/2011
   at 08:29 AM, Kirk Wolf k...@dovetail.com said:

What is z/OS Unix,

The Unix API, the file systems, the commands, the librairies and the
shells. This includes address spaces added to support them. 

and what do people mean when they say under USS
(or the more proper: under z/OS Unix) ?

Anything requiring dubbing.

To me, Under USS is as almost nondescript as saying Under TSO to
refer to:  TN3270+ISPF or IKJEFT01 in batch or a TSO/REXX exec.

Or CLIST or 2741 or 3270 without ISPF ...
 
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Re: IKJEFT01

In 431357.44567...@web126013.mail.ne1.yahoo.com, on 05/03/2011
   at 06:14 AM, Bill Johnson mellonb...@yahoo.com said:

I'm trying to run a TSO command using IKJEFT01 but I want the command
to work on  a dataset.

You can point SYSTSIN to a dataset containing commands and
subcommands, but you can't change the semantics of a command. If the
command has a dataset name hardwired, then you're stuck. If the
command has a mechanism for supplying the name, then it depends on
whether it uses TGET directly for its input or uses GETLINE and
PUTGET.

In brief, you'll need to consult the documentation or vendor for the
specific command of interest.
 
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Re: IKJEFT01

In 01f101cc099a$080439d0$180cad70$@mindspring.com, on 05/03/2011
   at 09:57 AM, Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.com said:

TSO Batch is very similar to TSO Foreground.  So if you can do in
ISPF Option 6 you can do it in batch.

Alas, no. TSO batch will work correctly for most commands that use
PUTLINE, GETLINE and PUTGET, but is more problematical for commands
that use TGET and TPUT directly.
 
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Re: TSO Profile NUM and PACK

2011-05-03 Thread Scott Rowe

John,

If he explained what he was talking about, then he wouldn't be able to keep
telling you that you are wrong!

On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 10:03 AM, John McKown
john.archie.mck...@gmail.comwrote:

 Then explain them to this poor fool. I find them to be a useless
 anachronism. And your answers tend to be so short as to be unhelpful.

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Re: Under z/OS Unix

2011-05-03 Thread Tony Harminc

On 3 May 2011 09:29, Kirk Wolf k...@dovetail.com wrote:

 What is z/OS Unix, and what do people mean when they say under USS
 (or the more proper: under z/OS Unix) ?
[...]
 My own conception model (perhaps flawed) is that there are a bunch of related 
 things:
[...]

I think you're unnecessarily mixing interface definitions (commands,
shell(s), APIs, file semantics, etc.), with implementation details.
Clearly you don't get the first without the second, but to answer
what is z/OS UNIX? I think you need to consider only the first.

However there is clearly a common usage that groups things like uses
UNIX files, uses a shell, runs executables from a UNIX directory, and
perhaps a few more as runs under z/OS UNIX, but does not comprise
things like uses TCP/IP services, has a UID and GID, and similar
service-related details.

Somewhere in between lies is written in C/C++. *We* all know that
C/C++ code can run on z/OS without any use of UNIX, but I think many
people perceive a tight connection.

Perhaps another way of putting this is that there is an operations
view along the lines of the above, which makes a lot of sense when the
important questions are about how to keep the machine humming along,
how to handle failures and who to call, and so on. What goes on under
the covers is of much less importance and interest to people in those
jobs.

 I believe that some people have a conception model of z/OS Unix that is
 similar to the old OS/2 Windows so called Penalty Box.   Again, I
 believe that the TSO OMVS command and BPXBATCH have fostered this
 incorrect notion.

I agree. As Kernel Don used to say, There is no wall. I still find
myself having to explain that to people who by now should know better.

Further confusion is added by the many references to z/OS Linux out
there. I've been fighting that one for 10+ years now, and I still get
asked if we support it.

Tony H.

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Re: TSO Profile NUM and PACK

2011-05-03 Thread John McKown

OK, I know about IEBUPDTE. I guess that is needed for source code updates.
Personally, I prefer the UNIX patch command. OCO has decreased the need for
source updates. JES and PARMLIB members are all that come to mind.

Please forgive spelling errors. I'm not using my work email anymore. I'm
using my Android cell phone from now on. Change in email rules at work.

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On May 3, 2011 9:17 AM, Don Leahy don.le...@leacom.ca wrote:

Perhaps he is referring to IEBUPDTE?  I don't know of anyone who maintains
code that way, but there might be someone out there who does.

Personally, I have been campaigning against the use of sequence numbers in
Cobol programs for years.

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wrote:


 Then explain them to this poor fool. I find them to be a useless
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Re: TSO Profile NUM and PACK

2011-05-03 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler

paulgboul...@aim.com (Paul Gilmartin) writes:
I've long wondered, if sequence numbers are so valuable, why
haven't they spread outside the progeny of unit record systems?

cms multi-level source update infrastructure relied on sequence numbers
... started out with cp67/cms and the cms update command which applied
a single update file ... used control commands that inserted, replaced,
deleted based on sequence numbers of the source file ... output file
typically treated as temporary for compile/assemble.

at the univ., I was making so many cp67/cms source changes that I
created a pre-processor for update ... that added extra field to the
insertreplace control statements (aka $) that would generate sequence
numbers of the new lines (otherwise they had to be manually
entered/typed).

later in early 70s ... there was large exec wrapper that supported
multiple updates in specified sequence. there was a joint development
effort with endicott that added 370 virtual machine simulation to cp67
(that ran on 360/67) ... including new instructions and virtual memory
support that had several differences from 360/67.

There was base set of local enhancements to cp67 ... referred to as
the L updates ... then could apply the H updates to provide option
for 370 virtual machines (in addition to 360 virtual machines), and
then could apply the I updates which modified cp67 to run on
370 machine (rather than 360/67).

cp67i was running regularly in 370 virtual machine for a year before
the first 370 engineering machine with virtual memory hardware support
was operational (a 370/145 in endicott) ... in fact, booting cp67i on
the engineering machine was part of early validation test for the
hardware. turns out boot failed ... because of errors in the hardware
implementation (cp67i was quickly patched to correspond with incorrect
hardware ... and then booted succesfully).

By the time of vm370/cms, the multi-level update conventions ... and
incorporated into CMS update command (eliminating need for the exec
wapper) and various editors. Editors were also modified to have option
to generate edit session saved changes as an incremental update file (as
opposed to replacing the original file with the changes).

There is folklore about HASP/JES2 group had moved to cms source
development process ... which resulted in various kinds of problems for
exporting into standard POK product release environment.

In the mid-80s, Melinda had requested anybody with a copy of the
original cp67/cms multi-level update implementation. It turns out that I
had complete set on archived tapes in the Almaden datacenter tape
library. Her request was timely since a couple months later the Almaden
datacenter had an operations problem with mounting random tapes as
scratch (destroying large number of tapes, including ones with my
archived info from the 70s ... in some cases multiple tapes with
replicated copies ... including those with large amount of cp67/cms
files).

old email exchange with Melinda
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#email850906
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#email850906b
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2006w.html#email850908

Melinda's home page has moved:
http://web.me.com/melinda.varian/Site/Melinda_Varians_Home_Page.html

I had done kindle conversion of her history ... which she now has up:
http://web.me.com/melinda.varian/Site/Melinda_Varians_Home_Page_files/neuvm.azw

cms update command reference:
http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zos/v1r10/topic/com.ibm.zos.r10.asmk200/ap5cms8.htm

xedit cms command reference (including mention of update option support)
http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zvm/v5r4/topic/com.ibm.zvm.v54.dmsb6/xco.htm

note that univ source update uses down-dates ... i.e. the current
source file includes all changes ... but there are history files that
allows changes to be regressed to earlier versions. the cms up-dates
process would freeze the original source (for some period of time) and
have sequence of incremental source updates that would be applied in
sequence to arrive at most up-to-date file to be compiled/assembled.

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Re: TSO Profile NUM and PACK

On Tue, 3 May 2011 11:58:15 -0400, Scott Rowe wrote:

If he explained what he was talking about, then he wouldn't be able to keep
telling you that you are wrong!

That's a fallacy which I can refute by citing John G. (and lately
Chris M.) as counterexamples.

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Re: Under z/OS Unix

2011-05-03 Thread Scott Ford

Try being a vendor and explaining to non-technical or non-REAL
Tony:

Try being a vendor and explaining to non-technical or non-REAL-Mainframe people 
what z/OS does and its functions.
Its a challenge. I have offen said its not a 'PC'..So to a certain degree I 
agree with whats been said about confusion of terms.
Additionally, as I was once told business/tech expertise has changed a lot. 
This 
adds to the confusion.
 
Scott J Ford
 





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Subject: Re: Under z/OS Unix

On 3 May 2011 09:29, Kirk Wolf k...@dovetail.com wrote:

 What is z/OS Unix, and what do people mean when they say under USS
 (or the more proper: under z/OS Unix) ?
[...]
 My own conception model (perhaps flawed) is that there are a bunch of related 
things:
[...]

I think you're unnecessarily mixing interface definitions (commands,
shell(s), APIs, file semantics, etc.), with implementation details.
Clearly you don't get the first without the second, but to answer
what is z/OS UNIX? I think you need to consider only the first.

However there is clearly a common usage that groups things like uses
UNIX files, uses a shell, runs executables from a UNIX directory, and
perhaps a few more as runs under z/OS UNIX, but does not comprise
things like uses TCP/IP services, has a UID and GID, and similar
service-related details.

Somewhere in between lies is written in C/C++. *We* all know that
C/C++ code can run on z/OS without any use of UNIX, but I think many
people perceive a tight connection.

Perhaps another way of putting this is that there is an operations
view along the lines of the above, which makes a lot of sense when the
important questions are about how to keep the machine humming along,
how to handle failures and who to call, and so on. What goes on under
the covers is of much less importance and interest to people in those
jobs.

 I believe that some people have a conception model of z/OS Unix that is
 similar to the old OS/2 Windows so called Penalty Box.  Again, I
 believe that the TSO OMVS command and BPXBATCH have fostered this
 incorrect notion.

I agree. As Kernel Don used to say, There is no wall. I still find
myself having to explain that to people who by now should know better.

Further confusion is added by the many references to z/OS Linux out
there. I've been fighting that one for 10+ years now, and I still get
asked if we support it.

Tony H.

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Re: USS vs USS

2011-05-03 Thread Frank Swarbrick

Just to unnecessarily add fuel to the fire, the following is a CICS SIT
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USSHOME
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Re: TSO Profile NUM and PACK

2011-05-03 Thread Schwarz, Barry A

Some CA Technologies's products still try to.

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Perhaps he is referring to IEBUPDTE?  I don't know of anyone who maintains
code that way, but there might be someone out there who does.

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Re: USS vs USS

2011-05-03 Thread Jousma, David

Just sittin back, eating my popcorn on this oneHopefully Chris doesn’t have 
a 
Chest grabber

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Just to unnecessarily add fuel to the fire, the following is a CICS SIT
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USSHOME
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Re: TSO Profile NUM and PACK

2011-05-03 Thread Anne Lynn Wheeler

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#80 TSO Profile NUM and PACK

Note: UNIX traces some of its history back to CTSS by way of MULTICS
done on 5th flr of 545 tech sq. VM370/CMS also traces history back to
CTSS by way of CP67/CMS and CP40/CMS done (at science center) on 4th flr
of 545 tech sq. misc. past posts mentioning science center
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#545tech

example is UNIX (document formating) runoff/roff looks very much like
CTSS runoff. original CMS (document formating) script also looked
very much like CTSS runoff ... this was before GML was invented at the
science center in 1969 and GML tag processing added to CMS
script. misc. past posts mentioning GML /or SGML
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#sgml

CTSS reference:
http://www.multicians.org/thvv/7094.html

Discusses some of CTSS relationship to CP/CMS, MULTICS, and UNIX
(mentions that TSO is in no way related):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compatible_Time-Sharing_System

Discusses some of CP/CMS relationship to CTSS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_CP/CMS

Multics reference
http://www.multicians.org/general.html

Unix and Multics reference
http://www.multicians.org/unix.html

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Re: USS vs USS

2011-05-03 Thread Chicklon, Thomas

Yeah, just when I conceded to never misuse USS, along comes IBM. IBM! In an 
OFFICIAL PUBLICATION! Now what are we to think? I'm just so confused now.

Tom


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Just sittin back, eating my popcorn on this oneHopefully Chris doesn’t have 
a 
Chest grabber

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Just to unnecessarily add fuel to the fire, the following is a CICS SIT
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USSHOME
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Re: USS vs USS

2011-05-03 Thread Chase, John

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 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Frank Swarbrick
 
 Just to unnecessarily add fuel to the fire, the following is a CICS SIT
 parameter:
 
 USSHOME
 The USSHOME system initialization parameter specifies the name and path
 of the root directory for CICS® TS 4.1 files on z/OS® UNIX.

Submit a SHARE Requirement asking CICS Development to change it to, say, 
CICSROOT.

Or, if you want to play with the context-illiterate, create the appropriate 
z/OS UNIX directory and specify USSHOME=USSMSG10 or similar.  :-)

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Re: FTP time out

2011-05-03 Thread Hal Merritt

This behavior is typical of a NAT'ing firewall when presented with a TLS FTP 
session.  

For z/os to z/os, try the EPSV parameter in the client's command stream.  Good 
luck finding any non z/os products  that supports EPSV  

 


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Subject: FTP time out

Hi all,

I'm trying to ftp between two z/os in the same network, when i ftp from one 
z/os to another I reach the ip and can logon with a valid user but when i send 
any command the system don't response and finish with a time out.

Any ideas?

The z/os are in zPDT, I can ftp from a z/os in a mainframe to any of this zPDT 
OK, but between them I have this problem, also, I can ftp from another PC to 
them OK.

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Re: FTP time out

2011-05-03 Thread Staller, Allan

Are the FTP control and data ports referring to the same stack?

snip
I'm trying to ftp between two z/os in the same network, when i ftp from
one z/os to another I reach the ip and can logon with a valid user but
when i send any command the system don't response and finish with a time
out.
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Re: Editing Unicode Files in z/OS?

2011-05-03 Thread Tony Harminc

On 3 May 2011 01:30, Timothy Sipples timothy.sipp...@us.ibm.com wrote:

 I'm wondering what IBM-MAINers like to use for editing Unicode (UTF-8,
 UTF-16, and/or UTF-32) files on z/OS.

Are you asking what people are currently using, or what they might like to see?

 There are of course graphical
 options (notably Rational Developer for System z) which work great, but for
 this question I'm more focused on text editors that meet the following
 attributes:

 1. Accessible via TN3270E (i.e. 3270 editors) and/or Telnet (to z/OS UNIX
 System Services) -- i.e. old school terminal mode editors;
 2. Support editing UTF-8, UTF-16, and/or UTF-32;
 3. Support sequential (QSAM), VSAM, PDS/PDSE, HFS/zFS, DB2, and/or IMS data
 (i.e. whatever you can imagine).

I've thought for some years that a Unicode 3270 would ideally be based
on UTF-EBCDIC ( http://unicode.org/reports/tr16 ). This would provide
the most compatibility with those single-byte characters most commonly
used, but with the ability to edit multi-byte as needed. Of course it
rquires a (fairly small) change to the 3270 data stream architecture
as implemented on both the terminal/emulator and application ends.

Sadly, UTF-EBCDIC, although invented by IBM 10+ years ago, has never
taken off. And this time one can't even blame the Windows or UNIX
mainframe-haters. So many z/OS APIs could have been changed one by one
to support UTF-EBCDIC... Too late.

Tony H.

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Re: Under z/OS Unix

2011-05-03 Thread Mark Post

 On 5/3/2011 at 12:13 PM, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net wrote: 
 Further confusion is added by the many references to z/OS Linux out
 there. I've been fighting that one for 10+ years now, and I still get
 asked if we support it.

Yeah, a lot of people hate that one.


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Re: TSO Profile NUM and PACK

Post top don't please.

In BANLkTi=FQV645x9Q5=ecgvhu5uggscd...@mail.gmail.com, on 05/03/2011
   at 09:03 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com said:

Then explain them to this poor fool. I find them to be a useless
anachronism. And your answers tend to be so short as to be
unhelpful.

My answers tend to be based on the messages and posters they are
responding to. I've been known to include code examples and excerpts
from manuals, when appropriate.

Sequence numbers provide convenient tags for referring to blocks of
code. Withing a single edit session that isn't too important, but when
you add in compilers, human readers, etc. it acquires more importance.
The goo gets blinding when there are multiple occurrences[1] of the
same block and you want to direct someone's attention to one of them.

[1] That sort of thing can cause problems reconciling independent
changes when using something like cvs[2].

[2] Not a pharmacy.
 
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Re: TSO Profile NUM and PACK

In banlktikkqwomtt1wuu2b6lmkjbqwd-v...@mail.gmail.com, on 05/03/2011
   at 10:17 AM, Don Leahy don.le...@leacom.ca said:

Perhaps he is referring to IEBUPDTE?

No, not IEBUPDAT. I'd use IEBUPDETX in preference to either of those.
 
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Re: TSO Profile NUM and PACK

On Tue, 3 May 2011 11:38:21 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:

In listserv%201105030935402679.0...@bama.ua.edu, on 05/03/2011
   at 09:35 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said:

I've long wondered, if sequence numbers are so valuable, why haven't
they spread outside the progeny of unit record systems?

Because all source code is stored on the progeny of unit-record
equipment. They've spread to tape and disk; what more do you want?

Tunnel vision.

I don't want them.  But I was referring to OSes that haven't
the leg^H^H^H heritage of a unit record world:  Linux.  OS X.
Solaris.  And there's even another inexplicably popular OS
out there.

Now, if you want to complain that simple integers are too simplistic
and that sequence numbers should be tree structured, you'll get no
argument from me.

CDC did this, sort of.  They had 90-column source records with
PTF-ID.LINE-NUMBER in 73-90.  Of course, they were no longer
sortable.  And they used an update protocol rather than the
downdate mentioned by Lynn.

Downdate has the advantage that the source is instantly
accessible without the need to run a filter.  And the
disadvantage that if your current instance is ever modified
outside the downdate delta protocol you're really SOL.

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Re: Editing Unicode Files in z/OS?

On Tue, 3 May 2011 17:27:57 -0400, Tony Harminc wrote:

On 3 May 2011 01:30, Timothy Sipples wrote:

 I'm wondering what IBM-MAINers like to use for editing Unicode (UTF-8,
 UTF-16, and/or UTF-32) files on z/OS.

Sadly, UTF-EBCDIC, although invented by IBM 10+ years ago, has never
taken off. And this time one can't even blame the Windows or UNIX
mainframe-haters. So many z/OS APIs could have been changed one by one
to support UTF-EBCDIC... Too late.

Sigh of relief.

No.  One can blame UTF-EBCDIC.  As the OP mused, and a prompt
followup expanded, what's desirable is a prevalent format that
can be served directly by a HTTPD; no filtering or translation. 
That's extremely unlikely ever to happen with UTF-EBCDIC. 
(What browsers now support it?)  If you're willing to change
the data stream specification, go with something now prevalent;
UTF-8 would be my choice.

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Re: Editing Unicode Files in z/OS?

2011-05-03 Thread Tony Harminc

On 3 May 2011 19:13, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote:
 On Tue, 3 May 2011 17:27:57 -0400, Tony Harminc wrote:

Sadly, UTF-EBCDIC, although invented by IBM 10+ years ago, has never
taken off. And this time one can't even blame the Windows or UNIX
mainframe-haters. So many z/OS APIs could have been changed one by one
to support UTF-EBCDIC... Too late.

 Sigh of relief.

 No.  One can blame UTF-EBCDIC.

I'd prefer a different parse: no-one can blame UTF-EBCDIC.

 As the OP mused, and a prompt  followup expanded, what's desirable is a 
 prevalent format that
 can be served directly by a HTTPD; no filtering or translation.

I think I missed both those posts.

 That's extremely unlikely ever to happen with UTF-EBCDIC.
 (What browsers now support it?)

UTF-EBCDIC is no better and no worse than UTF-8 for things like this.
Browsers should use UTF-16. Why is legacy ASCII baggage fine, but
legacy EBCDIC bad?

 If you're willing to change the data stream specification, go with something 
 now prevalent;
 UTF-8 would be my choice.

Well since I missed the requirement to do HTML here, I thought we were
talking about [TN]3270. One could certainly design a UTF-8 3270
datastream, but then one would lose a lot of app compatibility. SInce
it would be a new datastream for the emulators in any case, why not
make it a variation on the existing one rather than a brand new one,
and leave the apps compatible?

Tony H.

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Re: Add'l Volume Amount


Dear Gonzalo and Mike 

 I understand it.Thanks a lot for your help!

 CC Gonzalo: Your english is very good. Could you also share your experience in 
learning english?

Best Regards,

Jason Cai 




发件人： Gonzalo Cengotita 
发送时间： 2011-05-03  19:25:48 
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主题： Re: Add'l Volume Amount 
 
On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 12:57 PM, ibmnew ibm...@163.com wrote:
 Dear


 It means that if the dataset is multivolume, when it expands to another
 volume you can decide wether you want to use the amount of the primary
 allocation or the amount of the secondary allocation to expand.
 Suppose you have a dataset created with SPACE=10,5 cylinders

  What situation do dataset expands to another volume ?

 If the dataset is full, it will extent 5 cylinders.

  When it extent 5 cylinders,the volume is full. In this situation,does
 dataset expand to another volume?

Yes, if the dataset is multivolume
 Then it will :

 If you filled with primary value the dataset wil try allocations in new
 volumes with 10 cylinders
 If you filled with Secondary value the dataset will try allocations in
 new
 volumes with 5 cylinders


 does it mean that if volume isn't full,dataset always extent 5 cylinders
 and if volume is full,dataset always extent 10 cylinders?

 Yes, if you fill this field with Primary

 What is benefit of  Add'l Volume Amount ?

You could have a large pool of many disks with a lot of fragmentation and in
this situation, you will prefer secondary amount wich is usually less than
primary.
Keep in mind that the quantity of the allocation must be found all in one
piece, no fragmentation is allowed, so you will get less errors if the
allocation in a new volume try with the lesser value.
(The example would be better if the dataset would have SPACE=2000,50
cylinders)
Of course all of it depends on the size of the dataset, and the number of
disks, etc
I hope it is clear enough, English is not my mother tongue, too!
Regards
Gonzalo Cengotita
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Re: Add'l Volume Amount