Re: Braces, Brackets, Broken braces, and Parentheses

[CM Poncelet]

In French, "guillemets" refer to single quotes (" ' "). Double quotes (' 
" ') are called "double guillemets".


John Gilmore wrote:


Shmuel,

If you'll look into the Wikipedia piece on Brackets, you'll find
mention of  the "occasional" use of the term "broken brackets" and
some examples.  It is the one I have used routinely for many years.
(I have consulted my colleagues, and they use it too, but I may very
well have contaminated what they say.)

The French word you're looking for may be "guillemets", viz.,  «, »,
which in written Metropolitan French are almost exact equivalents of
written English-language [double] quotes, ",".

The use of ",'' instead of «, » is increasingly common in
non-Metropolitan French, which is, I think, unfortunate: I like the
fact that the difference between the prefixing and suffixing values is
builtin, not at the mercy of some typeface designer or a text-editing
program that never gets things quite right.

John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA

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Re: Religious controversy on IBM-MAIN

[CM Poncelet]

The only religion that matters is logic.

Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:


In
,
on 11/19/2011
  at 09:18 AM, John Gilmore  said:

 


We are a mixture of the devout, the indifferent, and the militantly
anti-religious.  This mixture is explosive.
   



Religous comments would be potentially explosive even if everyone here
were devout, perhaps especially if everyone here were devout.
Different religions, even different sects of the "same" religion, hold
profoundly different views.

 



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Re: Braces, Brackets, Broken braces, and Parentheses

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In <45fcfbbb8bc8eb4a9dfedc6fa2cc7fdf015...@sdkmbx02.emea.sas.com>, on
11/18/2011
   at 03:48 PM, Lindy Mayfield  said:

>The trouble I have gotten into is when the word "bracket" is used, I
>automatically think square brackets.

AFAIK the word "brackets" refers specifically to [], although I have
encountered "angle brackets for <> and the is Dirac's infamous
.
 
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Re: Help on Rexx Code.

[John McKown]

On Sat, 2011-11-19 at 19:03 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote:
> In
> ,
> on 11/18/2011
>at 10:35 PM, sunil mirchandani 
> said:
> 
> >since i am new to rexx so any one can look and suggest me with any
> >sample or written rexx code.
> 
> I'd start by looking at the REXX code in SYS1.SAMPLIB for calling the
> Catalog Search Interface (CSI). I'd also read up on the date()
> function and the parse statement.
> 
> >Please let me know if i am on right forum
> 
> Since your goal relates as much to MVS as it does to Rexx, IMHO you're
> better off here. 

IGGCSI00 is very powerful. But for a newbie to both z/OS and REXX? It
may be just a bit too involved.

>  
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Re: Terminology RE: USS

[Tony Harminc]

On 18 November 2011 11:01, John Gilmore  wrote:
> This 'Shebang'---There is of course another one--- is not just a
> verbal slurring of 'Hash Bang'.  It has a much more elegant name.  It
> is a conflation.
>
> Consider, just in English, to which they are not confined,
>
> o       Edmund Spenser: wrizzled (wrinkled + frizzled)
>
> o       Shakespeare: glaze (glare + gaze)
>
> o·      Lewis Carroll: slithy (slimy, lithe), chortle (chuckle, snort),
> snark (snake, shark), galumph (gallop, triumph)
>
> They have a long, much (even too much) discussed literary history
> under this rubric, and Carroll talks about them repeatedly in his
> letters to Ellen Terry.

I am surprised at conflation being used this way. I understand
conflation to carry implication of at least some degree of error or
confusion, intentional or otherwise. This etymology of "Shebang" may
well involve conflation, but the word itself is surely better called
by Carroll's now quite standard term portmanteau.

Tony H.

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Re: Help on Rexx Code.

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In
,
on 11/18/2011
   at 10:35 PM, sunil mirchandani 
said:

>since i am new to rexx so any one can look and suggest me with any
>sample or written rexx code.

I'd start by looking at the REXX code in SYS1.SAMPLIB for calling the
Catalog Search Interface (CSI). I'd also read up on the date()
function and the parse statement.

>Please let me know if i am on right forum

Since your goal relates as much to MVS as it does to Rexx, IMHO you're
better off here. 
 
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Re: Terminology RE: USS

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In
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on 11/18/2011
   at 09:14 AM, John Gilmore  said:

>'<' and '>' are often called broken brackets.  The ALGOL definition
>document, for example, uses this term, as do many descriptions of
>BNF.

Neither "REPORT ON THE ALGORITHMIC LANGUAGE ALGOL 60" nor "Revised
Report on ALGOL 60" use the term "broken bracket". Perhaps you are
confusing "broken bracket" with "bracket".

There is a term brocket in the Hacker's Dictionary that appears in a
lot of other jargon files, but I found no sign of anybody actually
using the term when defining a new language.
 
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Re: Terminology RE: USS

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In
,
on 11/18/2011
   at 09:14 AM, John Gilmore  said:

>'<' and '>' are often called broken brackets.  The ALGOL definition
>document, for example, uses this term, as do many descriptions of
>BNF.

Neither "REPORT ON THE ALGORITHMIC LANGUAGE ALGOL 60" nor "Revised
Report on ALGOL 60" use the term "broken bracket". Perhaps you are
confusing "broken bracket" with "bracket".

There is a term brocket in the Hacker's Dictionary that appears in a
lot of other jargon files, but I found no sign of anybody actually
using the term when defining a new language.
 
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Re: Braces, Brackets, Broken braces, and Parentheses

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In <45fcfbbb8bc8eb4a9dfedc6fa2cc7fdf015...@sdkmbx02.emea.sas.com>, on
11/18/2011
   at 03:48 PM, Lindy Mayfield  said:

>The trouble I have gotten into is when the word "bracket" is used, I
>automatically think square brackets.

AFAIK the word "brackets" refers specifically to [], although I have
encountered "angle brackets for <> and the is Dirac's infamous
.
 
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Re: Terminology RE: USS

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In , on 11/18/2011
   at 07:57 AM, Ken Hume IBM  said:

>We always called the * a "splat".

I believe that is the norm in EUnix circles. Likewise bang for "!" and
shebang for "#!".
 
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Re: Terminology RE: USS

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In , on 11/18/2011
   at 07:57 AM, Ken Hume IBM  said:

>We always called the * a "splat".

I believe that is the norm in EUnix circles. Likewise bang for "!" and
shebang for "#!".
 
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Re: Terminology RE: USS

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In ,
on 11/18/2011
   at 08:02 AM, "McKown, John"  said:

>#! is normally pronounced "shebang" in UNIX. I guess a verbal
>slurring of "hash bang" together.

I doubt it; my guiess is that the term is short for "shell bang"; it's
used with the file of a shell or language processor, e.g., bash, Perl.

#!/usr/bin/perl -W
 
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Re: Help on Rexx Code.

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In
,
on 11/18/2011
   at 10:35 PM, sunil mirchandani 
said:

>since i am new to rexx so any one can look and suggest me with any
>sample or written rexx code.

I'd start by looking at the REXX code in SYS1.SAMPLIB for calling the
Catalog Search Interface (CSI). I'd also read up on the date()
function and the parse statement.

>Please let me know if i am on right forum

Since your goal relates as much to MVS as it does to Rexx, IMHO you're
better off here. 
 
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Re: ISRPROF member is hosed

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In
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on 11/18/2011
   at 11:35 AM, John Norgauer  said:

>Any one experience their profile data set member getting hosed up. 

Sharing a profile member between concurrent sessions?
 
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Re: Religious controversy on IBM-MAIN

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In
,
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   at 09:18 AM, John Gilmore  said:

>We are a mixture of the devout, the indifferent, and the militantly
>anti-religious.  This mixture is explosive.

Religous comments would be potentially explosive even if everyone here
were devout, perhaps especially if everyone here were devout.
Different religions, even different sects of the "same" religion, hold
profoundly different views.
 
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Re: Braces, Brackets, Broken braces, and Parentheses

[John Gilmore]

Shmuel,

If you'll look into the Wikipedia piece on Brackets, you'll find
mention of  the "occasional" use of the term "broken brackets" and
some examples.  It is the one I have used routinely for many years.
(I have consulted my colleagues, and they use it too, but I may very
well have contaminated what they say.)

The French word you're looking for may be "guillemets", viz.,  «, »,
which in written Metropolitan French are almost exact equivalents of
written English-language [double] quotes, ",".

The use of ",'' instead of «, » is increasingly common in
non-Metropolitan French, which is, I think, unfortunate: I like the
fact that the difference between the prefixing and suffixing values is
builtin, not at the mercy of some typeface designer or a text-editing
program that never gets things quite right.

John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA

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Re: Inline Rexx in JCL?

[Roger Bolan]

Okay, so wouldn't a simple IEBGENER step first to copy the inline source
code into a member followed by the IKJEFT01 step do the job.
--Roger

On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 9:40 AM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) <
shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net> wrote:

> In
> ,
> on 11/17/2011
>   at 03:00 PM, Roger Bolan  said:
>
> >This worked just fine a minute ago for me.
>
> It is not inline.
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Re: EOFDISK - CBTTAPE 846

[Binyamin Dissen]

Missing SYSLIB - point it to SYS1.MACLIB and SYS1.MODGEN

On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 23:42:19 + Robert Prins 
wrote:

:>I'm trying to assemble this on a z/OS system and having changed the
:>JCL to something that actually allows me to assemble the code, I get
:>these four errors, and having no assembler knowledge to speak off, can
:>anyone explain me what I need to change:
:>
:>-  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -
:>-  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  295 Line(s) not Displayed
:> 223 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
:>* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 021000
:> 224
:>*
:>021100
:> 225  OBTAIN
:>OBTAINFetch the VTOC entry  021200
:> ** ASMA057E Undefined operation code - OBTAIN
:> ** ASMA435I Record 212 in PRINO.RAHP.ASM(EOFDISK) on volume: ZSTOR1
:>-  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -
:>-  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  - 9 Line(s) not Displayed
:> F8 D507 C740 C640 00740 00640   235  CLC   =CL8'SYSCTLG
:>',JFCBDSNM  See if DSN=SYSCTLG  022200
:> FE 4770 C10C0010C   236  BNE
:>NOTCVOLNo, then not an active OS catalog 022300
:> 000102    0 0   237  CLC
:>=X'FF',DS1LSTAR  See if VTOC says CVOL is formated   022400
:> ** ASMA044E Undefined symbol - DS1LSTAR
:> ** ASMA435I Record 224 in PRINO.RAHP.ASM(EOFDISK) on volume: ZSTOR1
:>-  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -
:>-  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  - 8 Line(s) not Displayed
:> 246
:>*
:>023300
:> 00010C 1FAA 247  SLR
:>R10,R10Clear a work register 023400
:> 00010E  0   248  ICM
:>R10,7,DS1LSTAR Ascertain last addressable record 023500
:> ** ASMA044E Undefined symbol - DS1LSTAR
:> ** ASMA435I Record 235 in PRINO.RAHP.ASM(EOFDISK) on volume: ZSTOR1
:>-  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -
:>-  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  551 Line(s) not Displayed
:> 707
:>*
:>045600
:> 00075000750 00588   708  ORG
:>F1DSCB-44  Overlay Format 1 DSCB area in CSECT   045700
:> 709  IECSDSL1
:>(1) DSECT for Format-1 DSCB (VTOC entry)  045800
:> ** ASMA057E Undefined operation code - IECSDSL1
:> ** ASMA435I Record 458 in PRINO.RAHP.ASM(EOFDISK) on volume: ZSTOR1
:>-  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -
:>-  -  -  -  -  -  -  - 3691 Line(s) not Displayed
:>
:>JCL used is:
:>
:>//PRINOASM JOB (PRINO),
:>// 'ROBERT AH PRINS',
:>// CLASS=A,
:>// MSGCLASS=H,
:>// MSGLEVEL=(2,0),
:>// NOTIFY=&SYSUID
:>//
:>*
:>//ASM EXEC PGM=ASMA90,
:>// PARM='OBJECT,NODECK'
:>//SYSLIBDD DSN=SYS1.MACLIB,
:>// DISP=SHR
:>//SYSLINDD DSN=&&LOADSET,
:>// DISP=(MOD,PASS),
:>// UNIT=SYSDA,
:>// SPACE=(800,(100,100)),
:>// DCB=(BLKSIZE=0)
:>//SYSUT1DD SPACE=(800,(100,100),,,ROUND),
:>// UNIT=SYSDA
:>//SYSPRINT  DD SYSOUT=*
:>//SYSUDUMP  DD SYSOUT=*
:>//SYSIN DD DSN=&SYSUID..RAHP.ASM(EOFDISK),
:>// DISP=SHR
:>
:>Where '&SYSUID..RAHP.ASM(EOFDISK)' contains the assembly language part
:>of the member from the above mentioned CBT tape 846 @ www.cbttape.org/ftp/cbt/CBT846.zip>
:>
:>Robert

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Re: Inline Rexx in JCL?

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In
,
on 11/17/2011
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>This worked just fine a minute ago for me.

It is not inline.
 
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Re: EOFDISK - CBTTAPE 846

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 23:42:19 +, Robert Prins  wrote:

>I'm trying to assemble this on a z/OS system and having changed the
>JCL to something that actually allows me to assemble the code, I get
>these four errors, and having no assembler knowledge to speak off, can
>anyone explain me what I need to change:
> 
This question might better be asked on ASSEMBLER-LIST.  IBM-MAIN
is reserved for discussions of acronyms and theology.
>
> 225  OBTAIN
>OBTAINFetch the VTOC entry  021200
> ** ASMA057E Undefined operation code - OBTAIN
>
>=X'FF',DS1LSTAR  See if VTOC says CVOL is formated   022400
> ** ASMA044E Undefined symbol - DS1LSTAR
> 
>R10,7,DS1LSTAR Ascertain last addressable record 023500
> ** ASMA044E Undefined symbol - DS1LSTAR
> 
> ** ASMA057E Undefined operation code - IECSDSL1
> ** ASMA435I Record 458 in PRINO.RAHP.ASM(EOFDISK) on volume: ZSTOR1
>
These appear to be names of macros or DSECT members, likely defined in
either SYS1.MACLIB or SYS1.MODGEN.  You should put (one of) these in
your SYSLIB concatenation.

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EOFDISK - CBTTAPE 846

[Robert Prins]

I'm trying to assemble this on a z/OS system and having changed the
JCL to something that actually allows me to assemble the code, I get
these four errors, and having no assembler knowledge to speak off, can
anyone explain me what I need to change:

-  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -
-  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  295 Line(s) not Displayed
 223 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 021000
 224
*
021100
 225  OBTAIN
OBTAINFetch the VTOC entry  021200
 ** ASMA057E Undefined operation code - OBTAIN
 ** ASMA435I Record 212 in PRINO.RAHP.ASM(EOFDISK) on volume: ZSTOR1
-  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -
-  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  - 9 Line(s) not Displayed
 F8 D507 C740 C640 00740 00640   235  CLC   =CL8'SYSCTLG
',JFCBDSNM  See if DSN=SYSCTLG  022200
 FE 4770 C10C0010C   236  BNE
NOTCVOLNo, then not an active OS catalog 022300
 000102    0 0   237  CLC
=X'FF',DS1LSTAR  See if VTOC says CVOL is formated   022400
 ** ASMA044E Undefined symbol - DS1LSTAR
 ** ASMA435I Record 224 in PRINO.RAHP.ASM(EOFDISK) on volume: ZSTOR1
-  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -
-  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  - 8 Line(s) not Displayed
 246
*
023300
 00010C 1FAA 247  SLR
R10,R10Clear a work register 023400
 00010E  0   248  ICM
R10,7,DS1LSTAR Ascertain last addressable record 023500
 ** ASMA044E Undefined symbol - DS1LSTAR
 ** ASMA435I Record 235 in PRINO.RAHP.ASM(EOFDISK) on volume: ZSTOR1
-  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -
-  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  551 Line(s) not Displayed
 707
*
045600
 00075000750 00588   708  ORG
F1DSCB-44  Overlay Format 1 DSCB area in CSECT   045700
 709  IECSDSL1
(1) DSECT for Format-1 DSCB (VTOC entry)  045800
 ** ASMA057E Undefined operation code - IECSDSL1
 ** ASMA435I Record 458 in PRINO.RAHP.ASM(EOFDISK) on volume: ZSTOR1
-  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -
-  -  -  -  -  -  -  - 3691 Line(s) not Displayed

JCL used is:

//PRINOASM JOB (PRINO),
// 'ROBERT AH PRINS',
// CLASS=A,
// MSGCLASS=H,
// MSGLEVEL=(2,0),
// NOTIFY=&SYSUID
//
*
//ASM EXEC PGM=ASMA90,
// PARM='OBJECT,NODECK'
//SYSLIBDD DSN=SYS1.MACLIB,
// DISP=SHR
//SYSLINDD DSN=&&LOADSET,
// DISP=(MOD,PASS),
// UNIT=SYSDA,
// SPACE=(800,(100,100)),
// DCB=(BLKSIZE=0)
//SYSUT1DD SPACE=(800,(100,100),,,ROUND),
// UNIT=SYSDA
//SYSPRINT  DD SYSOUT=*
//SYSUDUMP  DD SYSOUT=*
//SYSIN DD DSN=&SYSUID..RAHP.ASM(EOFDISK),
// DISP=SHR

Where '&SYSUID..RAHP.ASM(EOFDISK)' contains the assembly language part
of the member from the above mentioned CBT tape 846 @ 

Robert
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Re: Religious controversy on IBM-MAIN

[Shane]

On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 09:19:48 -0600 Rick Fochtman wrote:

> This is a technical forum, ...

All too rarely.

Shane ...

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Re: Humour

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In <2016162744.6b90b24...@panix5.panix.com>, on 11/16/2011
   at 11:27 AM, Rich Greenberg  said:

>I am not sure if this is what you are referring to,

It's not, but it's a classic and funnier. Especially the warning about
paging nonresident galaxies.
 
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Re: Conditional assembly for COBOL?

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In
,
on 11/17/2011
   at 01:10 PM, John Gilmore  said:

>I have myself generated entire C and PL/I routines

C[1] I understand, but why not use PL/I's macro facility?

[1] The preprocessor language is pathetic, unlike PL/I's.
 
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Re: USS

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In
<1839031969-1321497845-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-2050937286-@b11.c1.bise6.blackberry>,
on 11/17/2011
   at 02:44 AM, Ted MacNEIL  said:

>Can't anybody give this a rest?

Physician, heal thyself!

>What is 'official' 

John is official enough for me; he's certainly a more reliable source
than you.
 
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Re: IEFU85 question

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In <4ec6429b.9090...@isis-papyrus.com>, on 11/18/2011
   at 12:33 PM, Miklos Szigetvari 
said:

>Can I use here USS calls ?

I doubt that you can use either USS or Unix services in the exit.
Unless the documentation says that it is safe, I would expect calls to
Unix services to ABEND, risk deadlocks or mix and match.
 
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Re: USS

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In <1321498401.83371.yahoomailmob...@web161405.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, on
11/16/2011
   at 06:53 PM, Ed Gould  said:

>Shhh the acronym causes certain people to become rabid.

Ted being one of them.
 
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Re: Braces, Brackets, Broken braces, and Parentheses

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In
,
on 11/17/2011
   at 09:46 PM, John Gilmore  said:

>o that <,>, used in BNF notation, are broken brackets

I've never seen the term.

>are consonant with standand Anglo-American mathematical and
>computer-science usage.

Brackets, braces and parentheses are, but I'm not aware of any
Mathematical or CS literature using the term broken bracket. I have
occasionally seen "angle brackets".

I believe that there is a French term for <> used as grouping, but
can't recall the word. There are also the composed characters << and
>>.
 
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Re: USS

[Mike Liberatore]

Thank you!!!
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Sent: Nov 19, 2011 11:23 AM

Ok, kill this thread now!

I'm going to start setting folks to NOPOST status.

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Re: USS

[Darren Evans-Young]

Ok, kill this thread now!

I'm going to start setting folks to NOPOST status.

Darren

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Re: Religious controversy on IBM-MAIN

[Rick Fochtman]

Historically, many fora having another focus have found it advisable to 
avoid the discussion of religion, which is divisive and likely to 
escalate into invective and worse.


We are a mixture of the devout, the indifferent, and the militantly 
anti-religious. This mixture is explosive. It would therefore be better, 
I think, if we agreed informally not to discuss our own or others' 
religious views here. We have other things to talk about.

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Whole-hearted agreement. This is a technical forum, not a theological 
discussion group.


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Re: USS

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Sat, 19 Nov 2011 06:22:33 -0600, Mike Schwab wrote:
>...
>Yep.  I always like the scene in The Shoes of The Fisherman where
>Anthony Quinn playing the recently elected but unrecognized pope
>starts performing the Catholic last rites then switches to the Jewish
>version.
>
Daaarrrennn!

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Religious controversy on IBM-MAIN

[John Gilmore]

Historically, many fora having another focus have found it advisable
to avoid the discussion of religion, which is divisive and likely to
escalate into invective and worse.

We are a mixture of the devout, the indifferent, and the militantly
anti-religious.  This mixture is explosive.  It would therefore be
better, I think, if we agreed informally not to discuss our own or
others' religious views here.   We have other things to talk about.

John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA

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Re: USS

[Mike Schwab]

On Sat, Nov 19, 2011 at 4:05 AM, Ken Brick  wrote:
> On 19/11/2011 09:12 AM, Mike Schwab wrote:
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_religious_groups
>> 2 Billion Christians,
>> 1.5 Billion Muslims,
>> 1 Billion Hindus,
>> 0.5 Billion Buddists,
>> 0.5 Billion Chinese Folk religions,
>> 0.5 Billion other Folk religions,
>> 0.050 Billion Shinto,
>> 0.025 Billion Sikhs,
>> 0.015 Billion Jews,
>> 0.011 Billion Jains,
>> Several others under 0.010 Billion.
>>
>> Oddities:
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rastafari_movement about 700,000
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pastafarianism maybe 10,000.
>>>
>>> Neither the  2 billion christians, (consider the Inquistation, the Roman
>>> vs Protestant in Ireland), nor 1.5 billion muslims (Sunni vs Shia) can be
>>> considered homogenous religous groupings .
>
> As I''ve probably offended many I will make the following comment.
>
>
> If you consider the 2 billion christians et al  to be one grouping then in
> some lights you should aggregrate the various monotheistic christian, muslim
> and jewish sects into the same religion as basically the follow the same
> god.
>
> Ken

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrahamic_religions

Yep.  I always like the scene in The Shoes of The Fisherman where
Anthony Quinn playing the recently elected but unrecognized pope
starts performing the Catholic last rites then switches to the Jewish
version.

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Re: USS

[Ken Brick]

On 19/11/2011 09:12 AM, Mike Schwab wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_religious_groups
2 Billion Christians,
1.5 Billion Muslims,
1 Billion Hindus,
0.5 Billion Buddists,
0.5 Billion Chinese Folk religions,
0.5 Billion other Folk religions,
0.050 Billion Shinto,
0.025 Billion Sikhs,
0.015 Billion Jews,
0.011 Billion Jains,
Several others under 0.010 Billion.

Oddities:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rastafari_movement about 700,000
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pastafarianism maybe 10,000.
Neither the  2 billion christians, (consider the Inquistation, the 
Roman vs Protestant in Ireland), nor 1.5 billion muslims (Sunni vs 
Shia) can be considered homogenous religous groupings .


As I''ve probably offended many I will make the following comment.


If you consider the 2 billion christians et al  to be one grouping then 
in some lights you should aggregrate the various monotheistic christian, 
muslim and jewish sects into the same religion as basically the follow 
the same god.


Ken

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