Re: ACCOUNT Product
Sérgio Lima Costa wrote: >The people here, want split the cost of Mainframe to users that use it. >For example, the user consumed 10% of CPU, then the cost of CPU is $40.000,00. >So for this user, the price was $4.000,00. >This is only a example. But your mainframe's economics doesn't work that way.(*) Moreover, if those people set up a chargeback system with that sort of formula, they're likely to cause serious IT (and financial) problems for your employer. Here's a simple counter-example. Let's suppose you have 10 users each consuming 10% of CPU, and you charge each user $4,000. Now one of those users decides to stop using the mainframe. Your formula then collects $36,000. Is the total cost still $36,000? No. It's much closer (or even equal to) $40,000. (Did you fire 10% of your IT staff?) So would you then charge the 9 remaining users ~$4440 each? Why? They didn't do anything, and nothing changed in the costs. See the problem? That average cost formula, among other things, fails to take into account the difference between marginal costs and fixed costs. And what happens is that cost-driven users (most/all are) then have perverse incentives to do all sorts of crazy things. [Sound familiar? :-)] That's why you're getting lots of questions about "why?" There are tools, lots of tools, highly developed and refined. They're useful, but you can also do really dumb things with those tools, like charge users average costs. Please don't. Bad chargeback systems are much, much worse than no chargeback systems. What problem(s) are they trying to solve? (*) *Any* highly virtualized infrastructure has this core financial characteristic. The whole IT world is preaching the virtues of highly virtualized infrastructure, including cost savings. Effective sharing of any resources, including computing resources, is highly cost-efficient. But if you institute a chargeback system which actively discourages users from sharing HVI, what do you think is going to happen? What has happened, with terrible business consequences, in too many cases? What is the IT world now spending considerable effort trying to un-do? Timothy Sipples Resident Enterprise Architect (Based in Singapore) E-Mail: timothy.sipp...@us.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ACCOUNT Product
There are some good products available in many vendors (CA, BMC, etc...) that expand control over account. Keep in mind that 10% of use o CPU, consume DASD access and some gigabytes stored in you storage subsystem. This access to DASD means too IP or SNA traffic. This envolves gateways, routers, links etc... Eventually user uses tape for backup, so more DASD access and cost of tape. Account products can give you a detailed vision of all these values. After this you need to assign a value ($$$) for each unit, CPU second, MB stored, MB acessed, IP traffic, so you can chargeback your user or even keep a track about top 10 users... Good luck Carlos Bodra São Paulo - Brazil Em 11/01/2012 17:06, Sérgio Lima Costa escreveu: Hello, The people here, want split the cost of Mainframe to users that use it. For example, the user consumed 10% of CPU, then the cost of CPU is $40.000,00. So for this user, the price was $4.000,00. This is only a example. Regards. Sergio -Mensagem original- De: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] Em nome de R.S. Enviada em: quarta-feira, 11 de janeiro de 2012 16:53 Para: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Assunto: Re: ACCOUNT Product I'm also curious: what is the goal? What do you want to report? CPU consumption? Elapsed time? What - and why? Regards -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- Tre tej wiadomoci moe zawiera informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wycznie do uytku subowego adresata. Odbiorc moe by jedynie jej adresat z wyczeniem dostpu osób trzecich. Jeeli nie jeste adresatem niniejszej wiadomoci lub pracownikiem upowanionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, e jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne dziaanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i moe by karalne. Jeeli otrzymae t wiadomo omykowo, prosimy niezwocznie zawiadomi nadawc wysyajc odpowied oraz trwale usun t wiadomo wczajc w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub zapisane na dysku. This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee authorised to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. BRE Bank SA, 00-950 Warszawa, ul. Senatorska 18, tel. +48 (22) 829 00 00, fax +48 (22) 829 00 33, e-mail: i...@brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2011 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci wpacony) wynosi 168.346.696 zotych. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN "Atenção: Esta mensagem foi enviada para uso exclusivo do(s) destinatários(s) acima identificado(s), podendo conter informações e/ou documentos confidencias/privilegiados e seu sigilo é protegido por lei. Caso você tenha recebido por engano, por favor, informe o remetente e apague-a de seu sistema. Notificamos que é proibido por lei a sua retenção, disseminação, distribuição, cópia ou uso sem expressa autorização do remetente. Opiniões pessoais do remetente não refletem, necessariamente, o ponto de vista da CETIP, o qual é divulgado somente por pessoas autorizadas." "Warning: This message was sent for exclusive use of the addressees above identified, possibly containing information and or privileged/confidential documents whose content is protected by law. In case you have mistakenly received it, please notify the sender and delete it from your system. Be noticed that the law forbids the retention, dissemination, distribution, copy or use without express authorization from the sender. Personal opinions of the sender do not necessarily reflect CETIP's point of view, which is only divulged by authorized personnel." -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Carlos Bodra São Paulo - SP Brazil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ACCOUNT Product
There is a lot more than just the cost of the CPU. CPU DASD TAPE Staff (System programmer(s), operator(s), etc, etc) Power Cooling And a myriad of other things. Chris Blaicher Senior Software Engineer, Software Services Syncsort Incorporated 50 Tice Boulevard, Woodcliff Lake, NJ 07677 P: 201-930-8260 | M: 512-627-3803 E: cblaic...@syncsort.com www.syncsort.com Check out our Knowledge Base at www.syncsort.com/support Syncsort aims for the best product and service experience. We welcome your feedback. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Sérgio Lima Costa Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 1:06 PM To: MVS List Server 1 Subject: RES: ACCOUNT Product Hello, The people here, want split the cost of Mainframe to users that use it. For example, the user consumed 10% of CPU, then the cost of CPU is $40.000,00. So for this user, the price was $4.000,00. This is only a example. Regards. Sergio -Mensagem original- De: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] Em nome de R.S. Enviada em: quarta-feira, 11 de janeiro de 2012 16:53 Para: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Assunto: Re: ACCOUNT Product I'm also curious: what is the goal? What do you want to report? CPU consumption? Elapsed time? What - and why? Regards -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Hello, The people here, want split the cost of Mainframe to users that use it. For example, the user consumed 10% of CPU, then the cost of CPU is $40.000,00. So for this user, the price was $4.000,00. This is only a example. Regards. Sergio -Mensagem original- De: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] Em nome de R.S. Enviada em: quarta-feira, 11 de janeiro de 2012 16:53 Para: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Assunto: Re: ACCOUNT Product I'm also curious: what is the goal? What do you want to report? CPU consumption? Elapsed time? What - and why? Regards -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- Tre tej wiadomoci moe zawiera informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wycznie do uytku subowego adresata. Odbiorc moe by jedynie jej adresat z wyczeniem dostpu osób trzecich. Jeeli nie jeste adresatem niniejszej wiadomoci lub pracownikiem upowanionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, e jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne dziaanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i moe by karalne. Jeeli otrzymae t wiadomo omykowo, prosimy niezwocznie zawiadomi nadawc wysyajc odpowied oraz trwale usun t wiadomo wczajc w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub zapisane na dysku. This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee authorised to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. BRE Bank SA, 00-950 Warszawa, ul. Senatorska 18, tel. +48 (22) 829 00 00, fax +48 (22) 829 00 33, e-mail: i...@brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2011 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci wpacony) wynosi 168.346.696 zotych. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN "Atenção: Esta mensagem foi enviada para uso exclusivo do(s) destinatários(s) acima identificado(s), podendo conter informações e/ou documentos confidencias/privilegiados e seu sigilo é protegido por lei. Caso você tenha recebido por engano, por favor, informe o remetente e apague-a de seu sistema. Notificamos que é proibido por lei a sua retenção, disseminação, distribuição, cópia ou uso sem expressa autorização do remetente. Opiniões pessoais do remetente não refletem, necessariamente, o ponto de vista da CETIP, o qual é divulgado somente por pessoas autorizadas." "Warning: This message was sent for exclusive use of the addressees above identified, possibly containing information and or privileged/confidential documents whose content is protected by law. In case you have mistakenly received it, please notify the sender and delete it from your system. Be noticed that the law forbids the retention, dissemination, distribution, copy or use without express authorization from the sender. Personal opinions of the sender do not necessarily reflect CETIP's point of view, which is only divulged by authorized personnel." -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ACCOUNT Product
I'm also curious: what is the goal? What do you want to report? CPU consumption? Elapsed time? What - and why? Regards -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- Tre tej wiadomoci moe zawiera informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wycznie do uytku subowego adresata. Odbiorc moe by jedynie jej adresat z wyczeniem dostpu osób trzecich. Jeeli nie jeste adresatem niniejszej wiadomoci lub pracownikiem upowanionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, e jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne dziaanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i moe by karalne. Jeeli otrzymae t wiadomo omykowo, prosimy niezwocznie zawiadomi nadawc wysyajc odpowied oraz trwale usun t wiadomo wczajc w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub zapisane na dysku. This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee authorised to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. BRE Bank SA, 00-950 Warszawa, ul. Senatorska 18, tel. +48 (22) 829 00 00, fax +48 (22) 829 00 33, e-mail: i...@brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2011 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci wpacony) wynosi 168.346.696 zotych. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ACCOUNT Product
Let me throw a Tivoli product into the esteem group of solutions. Be familiar with all that were mentioned, I would say that TUAM is in the same league. Plus you can include Enterprise accounting. If you already have Some/all of the Tivoli stack for performance or capacity planning, TUAM uses the same data sources, and TUAM integrates into the portals you already use. If you need more detail, feel free to contact me directly. zNorman -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Blaicher, Christopher Y. Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 9:24 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: ACCOUNT Product Sergio, First thing you have to do is get a set of agreed upon specifications of what is wanted. Then you can figure out what product does what you need. Or you might be able to modify a CBT program to do what you need. Don't forget about how you are going to use the results. Do you just need it in a report, or do you need data to feed another application like General Ledger? My point here is to first figure out what it is you require and what you might like to have. Then look at your options. There are lots of vendors out there with products to look at. CA, BMC, CSC, Barry Merril and others. Do a google search on 'mainframe SMF job accounting software'. Chris Blaicher Senior Software Engineer, Software Services Syncsort Incorporated 50 Tice Boulevard, Woodcliff Lake, NJ 07677 P: 201-930-8260 | M: 512-627-3803 E: cblaic...@syncsort.com www.syncsort.com Check out our Knowledge Base at www.syncsort.com/support Syncsort aims for the best product and service experience. We welcome your feedback. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Sérgio Lima Costa Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:19 AM To: MVS List Server 1 Subject: RES: ACCOUNT Product Hello Lizette. How are you ? I spoke with a person here, from Computer Associates. They have a CA JARS product, that may be what our boss want. I got to CBTTAPE< and download some samples there, very good, like FILE019. With this, I can get this report for example : 0 JOB START START ELAPSEDCPU CPU REGION REGION NAMEDATETIMETIME TIME % BELOW ABOVE ADELMOA 2012.001 15:44 001:11:450:01 0 .6M 17.4M ADELMOA 2012.001 17:09 000:00:500:01 2 .6M 17.6M ADELMOA 2012.001 17:11 002:01:280:09 0 .6M 18.2M ADELMOA 2012.001 19:13 000:07:360:01 0 .6M 19.4M ADELMOA 2012.001 19:22 002:14:380:02 0 .6M 17.6M ADELMOA 2012.001 21:47 000:01:130:08 11 .6M 19.4M ADELMOA 2012.002 17:18 000:02:250:01 1 .6M 20.2M ADELMOA 2012.002 20:34 000:49:350:02 0 .6M 18.4M ADRIANA 2012.003 14:42 000:34:310:02 02.7M 41.7M ADRIANA 2012.003 15:55 001:43:200:22 02.7M 41.9M ADRIANA 2012.003 18:09 000:31:590:03 02.7M 41.7M ADRIANA 2012.004 11:12 001:12:590:02 02.3M 22.9M But this is not enough for what they want here. I must say thanks very much again to you, that all time, try help us. Best Regards. Sergio -Mensagem original- De: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] Em nome de Lizette Koehler Enviada em: quarta-feira, 11 de janeiro de 2012 12:18 Para: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Assunto: Re: ACCOUNT Product : ACCOUNT Product > >Hello List, > >Someone know, if have a product to produce account reports from ZOS ? > >Our system, is ZOS 1.12. > >Thanks very much. Sergio, Could you provide details on what an ACCOUNT report would produce? Are they TSU/STC/JOB accounting information (CPU Time, Start Time, End Time, and so on) Or is there something else you are looking for? Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN "Atenção: Esta mensagem foi enviada para uso exclusivo do(s) destinatários(s) acima identificado(s), podendo conter informações e/ou documentos confidencias/privilegiados e seu sigilo é protegido por lei. Caso você tenha recebido por engano, por favor, informe o remetente e apague-a de seu sistema. Notificamos que é proibido por lei a sua retenção, disseminação, distribuição, cópia ou uso sem expressa autorização do remetente. Opiniões pessoais do remetente não refletem, necessariamente, o ponto de vista da CETIP, o qual é divulgado somente por pessoas autorizadas." "Warning: This message was sent for exclusive use of the addressees above identified, possibly containing information and or privileged/confidential documents whose content is protected by law. In case you have mistakenly received it, please notify the sender and delete it from your system. Be noticed that t
Re: RES: ACCOUNT Product
Sergio: As others have said that are quire a few products out that that do something similar, at either CHEAP or $$. Usually the more $$ gets you a lot more customizability as to reports. If you don't want to spend money there are FREE programs on the CBT Tape (www.cbttape.org) There are also semi free reports that you have to tell RMF what you want. Sometimes it can be interesting as it doesn't always do quite what you want. You may have to write (control cards like with RMF) simple items. Or you can go to essentially writing full programs with SAS. Barry Merrill with MXG (his product MXG) does indeed produce a LOT of reports and for the most part they are canned and you have to do very little. The sort of down side is SAS which can be $$ is needed. I like his product but the down side is it may be relatively cheap but the program needed is SAS $$$. Yes you can write COBOL programs to do what you want but again this needs programmer time. No matter what direction you go it will cost you money and the only question you need to know is how much. The CBT TAPE is probably the cheapest but remember it will probably require you to customize the program(s) it may be a little or a lot. It really depends on the customization. Ed On Jan 11, 2012, at 10:19 AM, Sérgio Lima Costa wrote: Hello Lizette. How are you ? I spoke with a person here, from Computer Associates. They have a CA JARS product, that may be what our boss want. I got to CBTTAPE< and download some samples there, very good, like FILE019. With this, I can get this report for example : 0 JOB START START ELAPSEDCPU CPU REGION REGION NAMEDATETIMETIME TIME % BELOW ABOVE ADELMOA 2012.001 15:44 001:11:450:01 0 .6M 17.4M ADELMOA 2012.001 17:09 000:00:500:01 2 .6M 17.6M ADELMOA 2012.001 17:11 002:01:280:09 0 .6M 18.2M ADELMOA 2012.001 19:13 000:07:360:01 0 .6M 19.4M ADELMOA 2012.001 19:22 002:14:380:02 0 .6M 17.6M ADELMOA 2012.001 21:47 000:01:130:08 11 .6M 19.4M ADELMOA 2012.002 17:18 000:02:250:01 1 .6M 20.2M ADELMOA 2012.002 20:34 000:49:350:02 0 .6M 18.4M ADRIANA 2012.003 14:42 000:34:310:02 02.7M 41.7M ADRIANA 2012.003 15:55 001:43:200:22 02.7M 41.9M ADRIANA 2012.003 18:09 000:31:590:03 02.7M 41.7M ADRIANA 2012.004 11:12 001:12:590:02 02.3M 22.9M But this is not enough for what they want here. I must say thanks very much again to you, that all time, try help us. Best Regards. Sergio -Mensagem original- De: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] Em nome de Lizette Koehler Enviada em: quarta-feira, 11 de janeiro de 2012 12:18 Para: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Assunto: Re: ACCOUNT Product : ACCOUNT Product Hello List, Someone know, if have a product to produce account reports from ZOS ? Our system, is ZOS 1.12. Thanks very much. Sergio, Could you provide details on what an ACCOUNT report would produce? Are they TSU/STC/JOB accounting information (CPU Time, Start Time, End Time, and so on) Or is there something else you are looking for? Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN "Atenção: Esta mensagem foi enviada para uso exclusivo do(s) destinatários(s) acima identificado(s), podendo conter informações e/ou documentos confidencias/ privilegiados e seu sigilo é protegido por lei. Caso você tenha recebido por engano, por favor, informe o remetente e apague-a de seu sistema. Notificamos que é proibido por lei a sua retenção, disseminação, distribuição, cópia ou uso sem expressa autorização do remetente. Opiniões pessoais do remetente não refletem, necessariamente, o ponto de vista da CETIP, o qual é divulgado somente por pessoas autorizadas." "Warning: This message was sent for exclusive use of the addressees above identified, possibly containing information and or privileged/confidential documents whose content is protected by law. In case you have mistakenly received it, please notify the sender and delete it from your system. Be noticed that the law forbids the retention, dissemination, distribution, copy or use without express authorization from the sender. Personal opinions of the sender do not necessarily reflect CETIP's point of view, which is only divulged by authorized personnel." -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to
Re: ACCOUNT Product
Sergio, First thing you have to do is get a set of agreed upon specifications of what is wanted. Then you can figure out what product does what you need. Or you might be able to modify a CBT program to do what you need. Don't forget about how you are going to use the results. Do you just need it in a report, or do you need data to feed another application like General Ledger? My point here is to first figure out what it is you require and what you might like to have. Then look at your options. There are lots of vendors out there with products to look at. CA, BMC, CSC, Barry Merril and others. Do a google search on 'mainframe SMF job accounting software'. Chris Blaicher Senior Software Engineer, Software Services Syncsort Incorporated 50 Tice Boulevard, Woodcliff Lake, NJ 07677 P: 201-930-8260 | M: 512-627-3803 E: cblaic...@syncsort.com www.syncsort.com Check out our Knowledge Base at www.syncsort.com/support Syncsort aims for the best product and service experience. We welcome your feedback. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Sérgio Lima Costa Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 10:19 AM To: MVS List Server 1 Subject: RES: ACCOUNT Product Hello Lizette. How are you ? I spoke with a person here, from Computer Associates. They have a CA JARS product, that may be what our boss want. I got to CBTTAPE< and download some samples there, very good, like FILE019. With this, I can get this report for example : 0 JOB START START ELAPSEDCPU CPU REGION REGION NAMEDATETIMETIME TIME % BELOW ABOVE ADELMOA 2012.001 15:44 001:11:450:01 0 .6M 17.4M ADELMOA 2012.001 17:09 000:00:500:01 2 .6M 17.6M ADELMOA 2012.001 17:11 002:01:280:09 0 .6M 18.2M ADELMOA 2012.001 19:13 000:07:360:01 0 .6M 19.4M ADELMOA 2012.001 19:22 002:14:380:02 0 .6M 17.6M ADELMOA 2012.001 21:47 000:01:130:08 11 .6M 19.4M ADELMOA 2012.002 17:18 000:02:250:01 1 .6M 20.2M ADELMOA 2012.002 20:34 000:49:350:02 0 .6M 18.4M ADRIANA 2012.003 14:42 000:34:310:02 02.7M 41.7M ADRIANA 2012.003 15:55 001:43:200:22 02.7M 41.9M ADRIANA 2012.003 18:09 000:31:590:03 02.7M 41.7M ADRIANA 2012.004 11:12 001:12:590:02 02.3M 22.9M But this is not enough for what they want here. I must say thanks very much again to you, that all time, try help us. Best Regards. Sergio -Mensagem original- De: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] Em nome de Lizette Koehler Enviada em: quarta-feira, 11 de janeiro de 2012 12:18 Para: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Assunto: Re: ACCOUNT Product : ACCOUNT Product > >Hello List, > >Someone know, if have a product to produce account reports from ZOS ? > >Our system, is ZOS 1.12. > >Thanks very much. Sergio, Could you provide details on what an ACCOUNT report would produce? Are they TSU/STC/JOB accounting information (CPU Time, Start Time, End Time, and so on) Or is there something else you are looking for? Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN "Atenção: Esta mensagem foi enviada para uso exclusivo do(s) destinatários(s) acima identificado(s), podendo conter informações e/ou documentos confidencias/privilegiados e seu sigilo é protegido por lei. Caso você tenha recebido por engano, por favor, informe o remetente e apague-a de seu sistema. Notificamos que é proibido por lei a sua retenção, disseminação, distribuição, cópia ou uso sem expressa autorização do remetente. Opiniões pessoais do remetente não refletem, necessariamente, o ponto de vista da CETIP, o qual é divulgado somente por pessoas autorizadas." "Warning: This message was sent for exclusive use of the addressees above identified, possibly containing information and or privileged/confidential documents whose content is protected by law. In case you have mistakenly received it, please notify the sender and delete it from your system. Be noticed that the law forbids the retention, dissemination, distribution, copy or use without express authorization from the sender. Personal opinions of the sender do not necessarily reflect CETIP's point of view, which is only divulged by authorized personnel." -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Hello Lizette. How are you ? I spoke with a person here, from Computer Associates. They have a CA JARS product, that may be what our boss want. I got to CBTTAPE< and download some samples there, very good, like FILE019. With this, I can get this report for example : 0 JOB START START ELAPSEDCPU CPU REGION REGION NAMEDATETIMETIME TIME % BELOW ABOVE ADELMOA 2012.001 15:44 001:11:450:01 0 .6M 17.4M ADELMOA 2012.001 17:09 000:00:500:01 2 .6M 17.6M ADELMOA 2012.001 17:11 002:01:280:09 0 .6M 18.2M ADELMOA 2012.001 19:13 000:07:360:01 0 .6M 19.4M ADELMOA 2012.001 19:22 002:14:380:02 0 .6M 17.6M ADELMOA 2012.001 21:47 000:01:130:08 11 .6M 19.4M ADELMOA 2012.002 17:18 000:02:250:01 1 .6M 20.2M ADELMOA 2012.002 20:34 000:49:350:02 0 .6M 18.4M ADRIANA 2012.003 14:42 000:34:310:02 02.7M 41.7M ADRIANA 2012.003 15:55 001:43:200:22 02.7M 41.9M ADRIANA 2012.003 18:09 000:31:590:03 02.7M 41.7M ADRIANA 2012.004 11:12 001:12:590:02 02.3M 22.9M But this is not enough for what they want here. I must say thanks very much again to you, that all time, try help us. Best Regards. Sergio -Mensagem original- De: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] Em nome de Lizette Koehler Enviada em: quarta-feira, 11 de janeiro de 2012 12:18 Para: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Assunto: Re: ACCOUNT Product : ACCOUNT Product > >Hello List, > >Someone know, if have a product to produce account reports from ZOS ? > >Our system, is ZOS 1.12. > >Thanks very much. Sergio, Could you provide details on what an ACCOUNT report would produce? Are they TSU/STC/JOB accounting information (CPU Time, Start Time, End Time, and so on) Or is there something else you are looking for? Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN "Atenção: Esta mensagem foi enviada para uso exclusivo do(s) destinatários(s) acima identificado(s), podendo conter informações e/ou documentos confidencias/privilegiados e seu sigilo é protegido por lei. Caso você tenha recebido por engano, por favor, informe o remetente e apague-a de seu sistema. Notificamos que é proibido por lei a sua retenção, disseminação, distribuição, cópia ou uso sem expressa autorização do remetente. Opiniões pessoais do remetente não refletem, necessariamente, o ponto de vista da CETIP, o qual é divulgado somente por pessoas autorizadas." "Warning: This message was sent for exclusive use of the addressees above identified, possibly containing information and or privileged/confidential documents whose content is protected by law. In case you have mistakenly received it, please notify the sender and delete it from your system. Be noticed that the law forbids the retention, dissemination, distribution, copy or use without express authorization from the sender. Personal opinions of the sender do not necessarily reflect CETIP's point of view, which is only divulged by authorized personnel." -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Still run from ZOS ? Tks -Mensagem original- De: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] Em nome de Lim Ming Liang Enviada em: quarta-feira, 11 de janeiro de 2012 13:08 Para: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Assunto: Re: ACCOUNT Product CA-JARS ? Regards Lim ML On 11/01/12 8:58 PM, Sérgio Lima Costa wrote: > Hello List, > > Someone know, if have a product to produce account reports from ZOS ? > > Our system, is ZOS 1.12. > > Thanks very much. > > > > "Atenção: Esta mensagem foi enviada para uso exclusivo do(s) > destinatários(s) acima identificado(s), podendo conter informações > e/ou documentos confidencias/privilegiados e seu sigilo é protegido por lei. > Caso você tenha recebido por engano, por favor, informe o remetente e > apague-a de seu sistema. > Notificamos que é proibido por lei a sua retenção, disseminação, > distribuição, cópia ou uso sem expressa autorização do remetente. > Opiniões pessoais do remetente não refletem, necessariamente, o ponto de > vista da CETIP, o qual é divulgado somente por pessoas autorizadas." > > "Warning: This message was sent for exclusive use of the addressees > above identified, possibly containing information and or > privileged/confidential documents whose content is protected by law. > In case you have mistakenly received it, please notify the sender and delete > it from your system. > Be noticed that the law forbids the retention, dissemination, > distribution, copy or use without express authorization from the > sender. Personal opinions of the sender do not necessarily reflect CETIP's > point of view, which is only divulged by authorized personnel." > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN "Atenção: Esta mensagem foi enviada para uso exclusivo do(s) destinatários(s) acima identificado(s), podendo conter informações e/ou documentos confidencias/privilegiados e seu sigilo é protegido por lei. Caso você tenha recebido por engano, por favor, informe o remetente e apague-a de seu sistema. Notificamos que é proibido por lei a sua retenção, disseminação, distribuição, cópia ou uso sem expressa autorização do remetente. Opiniões pessoais do remetente não refletem, necessariamente, o ponto de vista da CETIP, o qual é divulgado somente por pessoas autorizadas." "Warning: This message was sent for exclusive use of the addressees above identified, possibly containing information and or privileged/confidential documents whose content is protected by law. In case you have mistakenly received it, please notify the sender and delete it from your system. Be noticed that the law forbids the retention, dissemination, distribution, copy or use without express authorization from the sender. Personal opinions of the sender do not necessarily reflect CETIP's point of view, which is only divulged by authorized personnel." -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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One among many others... CA-JARS ? Regards Lim ML -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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CA-JARS ? Regards Lim ML On 11/01/12 8:58 PM, Sérgio Lima Costa wrote: Hello List, Someone know, if have a product to produce account reports from ZOS ? Our system, is ZOS 1.12. Thanks very much. "Atenção: Esta mensagem foi enviada para uso exclusivo do(s) destinatários(s) acima identificado(s), podendo conter informações e/ou documentos confidencias/privilegiados e seu sigilo é protegido por lei. Caso você tenha recebido por engano, por favor, informe o remetente e apague-a de seu sistema. Notificamos que é proibido por lei a sua retenção, disseminação, distribuição, cópia ou uso sem expressa autorização do remetente. Opiniões pessoais do remetente não refletem, necessariamente, o ponto de vista da CETIP, o qual é divulgado somente por pessoas autorizadas." "Warning: This message was sent for exclusive use of the addressees above identified, possibly containing information and or privileged/confidential documents whose content is protected by law. In case you have mistakenly received it, please notify the sender and delete it from your system. Be noticed that the law forbids the retention, dissemination, distribution, copy or use without express authorization from the sender. Personal opinions of the sender do not necessarily reflect CETIP's point of view, which is only divulged by authorized personnel." -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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: ACCOUNT Product > >Hello List, > >Someone know, if have a product to produce account reports from ZOS ? > >Our system, is ZOS 1.12. > >Thanks very much. Sergio, Could you provide details on what an ACCOUNT report would produce? Are they TSU/STC/JOB accounting information (CPU Time, Start Time, End Time, and so on) Or is there something else you are looking for? Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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There are several on the market. I also believe there are several on the CBT Tape. Roll Your Own is not too difficult, once you can get management to decide what to charge back for, especially if MXG or MICS is available. Be sure to include on-line disk storage and tape storage if applicable. HTH, Someone know, if have a product to produce account reports from ZOS ? Our system, is ZOS 1.12. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Hello List, Someone know, if have a product to produce account reports from ZOS ? Our system, is ZOS 1.12. Thanks very much. "Atenção: Esta mensagem foi enviada para uso exclusivo do(s) destinatários(s) acima identificado(s), podendo conter informações e/ou documentos confidencias/privilegiados e seu sigilo é protegido por lei. Caso você tenha recebido por engano, por favor, informe o remetente e apague-a de seu sistema. Notificamos que é proibido por lei a sua retenção, disseminação, distribuição, cópia ou uso sem expressa autorização do remetente. Opiniões pessoais do remetente não refletem, necessariamente, o ponto de vista da CETIP, o qual é divulgado somente por pessoas autorizadas." "Warning: This message was sent for exclusive use of the addressees above identified, possibly containing information and or privileged/confidential documents whose content is protected by law. In case you have mistakenly received it, please notify the sender and delete it from your system. Be noticed that the law forbids the retention, dissemination, distribution, copy or use without express authorization from the sender. Personal opinions of the sender do not necessarily reflect CETIP's point of view, which is only divulged by authorized personnel." -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
