Re: BLSCECT Imbedded members missing?
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 05/15/2008 at 02:16 PM, Ken Porowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Anyone know where they are (or if they no longer exist)? Did you look up the names in the relevant target zones? I vaguely recall the IMS installation jobs copying one or more IPCS imbed files; I don't recall whether it was IMS, IRLM or both. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: BLSCECT Imbedded members missing?
I went through all the related SMP zones and even scanned the datasets to no avail. There are other IMBED statements (CICS and MQ) that were in their target libs and there is a second IMBED for DFP that is resolved. What seems to be missing is anything for IRLM and DB2 which I would think would be supplied from the product rather than in the z/OS base. I think Jim Mulders response makes the most sense. Those IMBED statements flagged with @L1A date back to SP3.1.0, which is when the IMBED support was introduced. Some of them were just placeholders for possible future use. Jim Mulder z/OS System Test IBM Corp. Poughkeepsie, NY -Original Message- Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Did you look up the names in the relevant target zones? I vaguely recall the IMS installation jobs copying one or more IPCS imbed files; I don't recall whether it was IMS, IRLM or both. Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: BLSCECT Imbedded members missing?
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 05/19/2008 at 02:49 PM, Ken Porowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: What seems to be missing is anything for IRLM and DB2 which I would think would be supplied from the product rather than in the z/OS base. Yes; the whole point of the imbed mechanism is to allow the definitions to be shipped with the respective products. I think Jim Mulders response makes the most sense. Absolutely; the question was which of those were still placdeholders. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: BLSCECT Imbedded members missing?
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU wrote on 05/16/2008 01:42:04 AM: IMBED MEMBER(IGDIPCSP) ENVIRONMENT(ALL) /* DFP @L1A*/ imbedded in our BLSCECT, too, but I cannot find it either. Even the DFP Diagnosis books don't talk about it, only about smsdata and smsxdata, which *can* be found. IMBED MEMBER(ISPIPCSP) ENVIRONMENT(ALL) /* ISPF @L1A*/ IMBED MEMBER(IKJIPCSP) ENVIRONMENT(ALL) /* TSO/E @L1A*/ Cannot find them either. IMBED MEMBER(DXRIPCSP) ENVIRONMENT(ALL) /* IRLM @L1A*/ IMBED MEMBER(DSNIPCSP) ENVIRONMENT(ALL) /* DB2 @L1A*/ These two I would expect to be somewhere in IRLM/DB2 datasets, with instructions buried somewhere to copy them over to parmlib. But in ours I cannot find them, either. So I am left with the suspicion that these members are imbedded just for IBM use in IBM locations that have access to *A LOT* more commands. After all, unless you happen to use a command defined in one of those members, IPCS wouldn't go searching for it and come back with 'not found'. And these commands are not described to the rest of the world on the assumption that IBM support are the only ones ever using IPCS (no comment) so why describe them anywhere much less ship them? Those IMBED statements flagged with @L1A date back to SP3.1.0, which is when the IMBED support was introduced. Some of them were just placeholders for possible future use. Jim Mulder z/OS System Test IBM Corp. Poughkeepsie, NY -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
BLSCECT Imbedded members missing?
Installing z/OS 1.8 and reviewing various PARMLIB members I am having no luck in locating the following members referenced in BLSCECT. I've looked everywhere I could think of (TLIBs, CPAC libs, doc, SMP, Google). Anyone know where they are (or if they no longer exist)? IMBED MEMBER(IGDIPCSP) ENVIRONMENT(ALL) /* DFP @L1A*/ IMBED MEMBER(DXRIPCSP) ENVIRONMENT(ALL) /* IRLM @L1A*/ IMBED MEMBER(DSNIPCSP) ENVIRONMENT(ALL) /* DB2 @L1A*/ IMBED MEMBER(ISPIPCSP) ENVIRONMENT(ALL) /* ISPF @L1A*/ IMBED MEMBER(IKJIPCSP) ENVIRONMENT(ALL) /* TSO/E @L1A*/ Thanks all Ken Porowski AVP Systems Software CIT Group E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: BLSCECT Imbedded members missing?
IMBED MEMBER(IGDIPCSP) ENVIRONMENT(ALL) /* DFP @L1A*/ imbedded in our BLSCECT, too, but I cannot find it either. Even the DFP Diagnosis books don't talk about it, only about smsdata and smsxdata, which *can* be found. IMBED MEMBER(ISPIPCSP) ENVIRONMENT(ALL) /* ISPF @L1A*/ IMBED MEMBER(IKJIPCSP) ENVIRONMENT(ALL) /* TSO/E @L1A*/ Cannot find them either. IMBED MEMBER(DXRIPCSP) ENVIRONMENT(ALL) /* IRLM @L1A*/ IMBED MEMBER(DSNIPCSP) ENVIRONMENT(ALL) /* DB2 @L1A*/ These two I would expect to be somewhere in IRLM/DB2 datasets, with instructions buried somewhere to copy them over to parmlib. But in ours I cannot find them, either. So I am left with the suspicion that these members are imbedded just for IBM use in IBM locations that have access to *A LOT* more commands. After all, unless you happen to use a command defined in one of those members, IPCS wouldn't go searching for it and come back with 'not found'. And these commands are not described to the rest of the world on the assumption that IBM support are the only ones ever using IPCS (no comment) so why describe them anywhere much less ship them? Means that IBM would have to support those commands, and debugging isn't what's done these days. We just restart the application, right? And don't report a problem to IBM if it is not 100% reproducible, especially not in the 'new world' (the clickable one)IBM won't debug it, either. With IBMs push to make a problem reproducible, the up-front-request to produce a lot of docs that you usually don't have in a production environment or when a problem occurs intermittendly, IBMs general negligence of looking at non-reproducible problems (some exceptions to that noted), and the 'brand-new' technique of putting in test code into the reproducible testcase, who needs debugging these days? Much less imbedded IPCS members? Barbara Nitz -- Ist Ihr Browser Vista-kompatibel? Jetzt die neuesten Browser-Versionen downloaden: http://www.gmx.net/de/go/browser -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
