Re: Can anyone recommend a replacement for SAR or CA-View Spool?
There are more than a few people who would consider using DB2 for metadata as an advantage (operationally and functionally), but leaving that debate aside The original poster noted they have DB2 already. Now, of course I don't have the original poster's LPAR configurations, etc., but as a general statement TOM is unlikely to alter the peak DB2 MSUs profile much at all (if at all) in a DB2 shop. (If you're not a DB2 shop already then you might have a slightly longer chat with your friendly IBM representative.) The original problem cited is that other, non-affiliated workloads (WebSphere Application Server with DB2) are growing, and TOM would seem to be very much on point in addressing that particular problem. Perhaps other products are as well, but I'm doing my best to answer the original poster's question most directly. - - - - - Timothy Sipples Resident Enterprise Architect STG Value Creation Complex Deals Team IBM Growth Markets (Based in Singapore) E-Mail: timothy.sipp...@us.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Can anyone recommend a replacement for SAR or CA-View Spool?
Yes, but it uses DB2 to store the metadata, and other info. We looked at this product once, but had to quickly disqualify it due to the DB2 requirements at the time. _ Dave Jousma Assistant Vice President, Mainframe Services david.jou...@53.com 1830 East Paris, Grand Rapids, MI 49546 MD RSCB1G p 616.653.8429 f 616.653.8497 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Timothy Sipples Sent: Thursday, November 11, 2010 11:02 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Can anyone recommend a replacement for SAR or CA-View Spool? Tivoli Output Manager for z/OS is yet another option: http://www.ibm.com/software/tivoli/products/output-mgr/ Please note that I do not speak for IBM. However, my understanding is that Tivoli Output Manager (among other products) is eligible for sub-capacity licensing. In particular reference to your circumstances, if you are adding zNALC and/or Solution Edition qualified workloads, and Tivoli Output Manager is not running in those LPARs, then you would not have to purchase additional licenses as your zNALC-qualified workload grows. But please check with your friendly IBM representative, as they say. There might be some other IBM product candidates, depending on what function(s) you're using today. - - - - - Timothy Sipples Resident Enterprise Architect STG Value Creation Complex Deals Team IBM Growth Markets (Based in Singapore) E-Mail: timothy.sipp...@us.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate it in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. Please reply to the message immediately by informing the sender that the message was misdirected. After replying, please erase it from your computer system. Your assistance in correcting this error is appreciated. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Can anyone recommend a replacement for SAR or CA-View Spool?
We also use JHS to good effect on all plexes. Very easy to use. It shares code w/Xptr. From: David Magee david.ma...@dillards.com We've used JHS from Systemware (for Job logs and System logs) since way back in the 80's. Recent data is maintained on-line for browsing and research. Older stuff is archived to tape and can be recalled as needed. - The information contained in this communication (including any attachments hereto) is confidential and is intended solely for the personal and confidential use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this communication in error and that any review, dissemination, copying, or unauthorized use of this information, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. Thank you -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Can anyone recommend a replacement for SAR or CA-View Spool?
Tivoli Output Manager for z/OS is yet another option: http://www.ibm.com/software/tivoli/products/output-mgr/ Please note that I do not speak for IBM. However, my understanding is that Tivoli Output Manager (among other products) is eligible for sub-capacity licensing. In particular reference to your circumstances, if you are adding zNALC and/or Solution Edition qualified workloads, and Tivoli Output Manager is not running in those LPARs, then you would not have to purchase additional licenses as your zNALC-qualified workload grows. But please check with your friendly IBM representative, as they say. There might be some other IBM product candidates, depending on what function(s) you're using today. - - - - - Timothy Sipples Resident Enterprise Architect STG Value Creation Complex Deals Team IBM Growth Markets (Based in Singapore) E-Mail: timothy.sipp...@us.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Can anyone recommend a replacement for SAR or CA-View Spool?
BMC has a product called Control-d. Regards Otto Schumacher HP Enterprise Services Infrastructure Specialist Ahold Account CICS Capacity Technical Support P.O. Box 6462 2000 Wade Hampton Blvd. LC1-302 Greenville, South Carolina, 29606 Cell: 864 569--5338 Tel: 864 987-1417 Fax: 864 987-4500 E-mail: otto.schumac...@hp.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 7:29 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Can anyone recommend a replacement for SAR or CA-View Spool? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Cassandra Cox Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 6:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Can anyone recommend a replacement for SAR or CA-View Spool? Can anyone recommend a replacement for SAR or CA-View Spool Job Log Archiving? Also are there any replacement that make use of the specialty engines? Do you need just SYSOUT from Jobs or do you need to archive reports and be able to access them via views or route them to printers? That will determine where we need to look. $AVERS only handles sysout not reports. Then you have products like Mobius, XPTR, and others that can also handle reports as well as sysout. Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Can anyone recommend a replacement for SAR or CA-View Spool?
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Cassandra Cox Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 6:55 PM Can anyone recommend a replacement for SAR or CA-View Spool Job amp; Log Archiving? Also are there any replacement that make use of the specialty engines? For Job logs, System logs only, there is also Mackinney's JSF. For report management, there's also SEA's TRMS - Total Report Mgmt Solution. Regards, Art Gutowski Ford Motor Company -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Can anyone recommend a replacement for SAR or CA-View Spool?
Hello Casandra, Can I ask you why you want to replace those products? Can I get your company and your telephone number so we can contact you to further discuss your choices? Thank you, Helen Biederbeck -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Can anyone recommend a replacement for SAR or CA-View Spool?
We've used JHS from Systemware (for Job logs and System logs) since way back in the 80's. Recent data is maintained on-line for browsing and research. Older stuff is archived to tape and can be recalled as needed. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Can anyone recommend a replacement for SAR or CA-View Spool?
We use JMR - on one system we have used for 10+ years - on another - we are converting off SAR to JMR i do not know of JMR z/IIP exploitation Chris Hoelscher IDMS/DB2 System Database Architect Humana Inc 502-476-2538 choelsc...@humana.com I refuse to repeat gossip - so listen carefully the first time From: Cassandra Cox big10b...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 11/09/2010 07:05 PM Subject: [IBM-MAIN] Can anyone recommend a replacement for SAR or CA-View Spool? Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Can anyone recommend a replacement for SAR or CA-View Spool Job Log Archiving? Also are there any replacement that make use of the specialty engines? -- CC... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Can anyone recommend a replacement for SAR or CA-View Spool?
Thank You John, It isn't the cost of the product, as much as MIPs charges each time we upgrade to a new machine. Our archiving workload isn't growing, but our machines are increasing in capacity due to things like websphere and DB/2. So the idea was to try and find a product that can run on a specialty engine instead. cc.. On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 9:53 PM, John McKown joa...@swbell.net wrote: On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 17:16 -0800, Cassandra Castle wrote: Thank you, for now sysout, jes logs, job logs, etc... We have used Infopac / JCL from ASG in the past. It places the job output into separate sequential datasets. We currently use CA-JMR from CA. Our programmers and Production Control people like it. It puts __all__ output from __all__ jobs for a given time period (we use a calendar day) into a single dataset. It also maintains an index for this dataset so that you can view a single job or even a single sysout within a given job, a bit like SDSF when you put the ? in front of a job's output in the H or O screen. And you might want to review this email about SyzSpool. http://www.mail-archive.com/ibm-main@bama.ua.edu/msg111212.html If you are super-cheap grin, I have a REXX program which we use at DR to copy stuff from JES2 to disk datasets (non-destructively) which works using the SDSF REXX interface. It's worth what you pay for it! grin -- John McKown Maranatha! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- CC... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Can anyone recommend a replacement for SAR or CA-View Spool?
In a message dated 11/10/2010 8:41:32 A.M. Central Standard Time, aguto...@ford.com writes: For Job logs, System logs only, there is also Mackinney's JSF. For report management, there's also SEA's TRMS - Total Report Mgmt Solution. We got a good deal on Smart Scheduler then morphed into BETA42 and BETA93 eventually followed. As we moved to a mixed environment 'the committee' and software upgrade charges decided ePrint was more cost effective proposition. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Can anyone recommend a replacement for SAR or CA-View Spool?
I second the recommendation for $AVRS. Don't currently work with it now, but several sites in the past and it's always a pleasure to use. Dana -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Can anyone recommend a replacement for SAR or CA-View Spool?
Hi, Sorry in advance for the following marketing blurb :). As previously mentioned, the SyzSPOOL/z Spool Management and spool output viewing product manages all parts of the JES(23) output, and allows you to access it from ISPF or via any WEB browser (if you enable and allow it). The cost (at $5K before discounts) is a fraction of most other spool management products, and an additional 25% discount is provided for all Syzygy products for sites who's personnel are members of SHARE and IBM-MAIN. Additionally, there are multi-product discounts for sites that wish to purchase multiple products within the Syzygy Automation Suite. The pricing is by the entire physical processor regardless of processor size, number of CPUs or LPARs. The SyzSPOOL/z manual can be accessed at http://syzygyinc.net/SyzSpool.aspx Brian Westerman -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Can anyone recommend a replacement for SAR or CA-View Spool?
Can anyone recommend a replacement for SAR or CA-View Spool Job Log Archiving? Also are there any replacement that make use of the specialty engines? -- CC... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Can anyone recommend a replacement for SAR or CA-View Spool?
Try $AVRS by SEA corp. Edouard A. Myers Senior Information Technology Specialist Office of the Chief Technology Officer DC Government 222 Massachusetts Ave, NW, Suite 200 Washington, DC 20001 Phone : 202-727-4017 Fax: 202-727-3880 Email: edouard.my...@dc.gov Website: http://www.octo.dc.gov Preventing terrorism is everybody's business. If you SEE something, SAY something. Call the Metropolitan Police Department at (202) 727-9099 or email at s...@dc.gov to report suspicious activity or behavior that has already occurred. Call 911 to report in-progress threats or emergencies. To learn more, visit http://www.mpdc.dc.gov/operationtipp. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Cassandra Cox Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 6:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Can anyone recommend a replacement for SAR or CA-View Spool? Can anyone recommend a replacement for SAR or CA-View Spool Job Log Archiving? Also are there any replacement that make use of the specialty engines? -- CC... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Can anyone recommend a replacement for SAR or CA-View Spool?
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Cassandra Cox Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 6:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Can anyone recommend a replacement for SAR or CA-View Spool? Can anyone recommend a replacement for SAR or CA-View Spool Job Log Archiving? Also are there any replacement that make use of the specialty engines? Do you need just SYSOUT from Jobs or do you need to archive reports and be able to access them via views or route them to printers? That will determine where we need to look. $AVERS only handles sysout not reports. Then you have products like Mobius, XPTR, and others that can also handle reports as well as sysout. Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Can anyone recommend a replacement for SAR or CA-View Spool?
Thank you, for now sysout, jes logs, job logs, etc... On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.comwrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Cassandra Cox Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 6:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Can anyone recommend a replacement for SAR or CA-View Spool? Can anyone recommend a replacement for SAR or CA-View Spool Job Log Archiving? Also are there any replacement that make use of the specialty engines? Do you need just SYSOUT from Jobs or do you need to archive reports and be able to access them via views or route them to printers? That will determine where we need to look. $AVERS only handles sysout not reports. Then you have products like Mobius, XPTR, and others that can also handle reports as well as sysout. Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- CC... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Can anyone recommend a replacement for SAR or CA-View Spool?
LRS PrintCenter and Systemware XPTR/JHS(Xnet)... -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Cassandra Castle Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 6:16 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Can anyone recommend a replacement for SAR or CA-View Spool? Thank you, for now sysout, jes logs, job logs, etc... On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 4:29 PM, Lizette Koehler stars...@mindspring.comwrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Cassandra Cox Sent: Tuesday, November 09, 2010 6:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Can anyone recommend a replacement for SAR or CA-View Spool? Can anyone recommend a replacement for SAR or CA-View Spool Job Log Archiving? Also are there any replacement that make use of the specialty engines? Do you need just SYSOUT from Jobs or do you need to archive reports and be able to access them via views or route them to printers? That will determine where we need to look. $AVERS only handles sysout not reports. Then you have products like Mobius, XPTR, and others that can also handle reports as well as sysout. Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- CC... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Can anyone recommend a replacement for SAR or CA-View Spool?
On Tue, 2010-11-09 at 17:16 -0800, Cassandra Castle wrote: Thank you, for now sysout, jes logs, job logs, etc... We have used Infopac / JCL from ASG in the past. It places the job output into separate sequential datasets. We currently use CA-JMR from CA. Our programmers and Production Control people like it. It puts __all__ output from __all__ jobs for a given time period (we use a calendar day) into a single dataset. It also maintains an index for this dataset so that you can view a single job or even a single sysout within a given job, a bit like SDSF when you put the ? in front of a job's output in the H or O screen. And you might want to review this email about SyzSpool. http://www.mail-archive.com/ibm-main@bama.ua.edu/msg111212.html If you are super-cheap grin, I have a REXX program which we use at DR to copy stuff from JES2 to disk datasets (non-destructively) which works using the SDSF REXX interface. It's worth what you pay for it! grin -- John McKown Maranatha! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
