Re: SV: SV: SV: Debug Tool know how...
The first example has no debug tool variables (strings that begin with a
%); debug tool seems to be happy with explicit names in various
combinations, it's only when you attempt to use a debug tool variable
that it gets fussy. The only time I found a problem with explicit names
(not sure it qualifies as a problem) was when I specified the load
module name (either explicitly named, or via %LOAD) and the variable
name, with no intervening compile unit or block names. In that case,
debug tool was unhappy.
Hunter Cobb
The Trainer's Friend, Inc.
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Thomas Berg wrote:
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Skickat: den 5 mars 2008 21:28
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Thomas,
Some experiments with AT CHANGE confirm Don's observations about
qualified names in COBOL. I've found that the Debug Tool 7.1 seems to
allow at most one variable-based name, provided it's the first name
reference in a series of name references. E.g., for a variable named
xyz, in block blk1, in compile unit comp1, in load module
lm1, you can successfully follow AT CHANGE with:
lm1::>comp1:>blk1:>xyz [no debug tool variables]
%block:>xyz[block qualification variable]
%cu:>blk1:>xyz [compile unit qualification variable]
%cu:>xyz [compile unit qualification,
omitting block specification
%load::>blk1:>xyz[load module qualification, with block
name]
%load::>comp1:>xyz[load module qualification, with compile
unit name]
%load::>comp1:>blk1:>xyz [load module qualification, with both compile
unit and block name]
Any attempt to precede a debug tool variable reference with either
another debug tool variable reference, or an explicit load module /
compile unit / block name seems to fail. I'm not sure whether
this is a feature or a problem; as you've noted, the documentation
leaves some room for interpretation.
This seems to contradict Your first ("succesfully") example ?
Or do I missinterpret You ?
For what it's worth, in COBOL, the compile unit name is the first
PROGRAM-ID in the source module. The block name is the same as the
compile unit name, unless you are referencing variables defined in
nested programs. A variable defined in a nested program's DATA DIVISION
would have the block name of the nested program's PROGRAM-ID,
but would have the compile unit name of the outermost program's
PROGRAM-ID. Most typically (i.e., in the absence of nested programs), compile
unit name and block name are the same, and you would normally only
specify one of the two. Load module name is, of course, the member name of the
executable program in the load library.
Hope this helps,
Hunter Cobb
The Trainer's Friend, Inc.
Many thanks for the help!
(With the use of "AT ENTRY" I made some progress...)
But how do ordinary cobol qualification work ?
Like "xyz OF abc OF ghi" etc.
I don't seem to get it right, despite "profreading"
the variable names and quals in the program. Do DT
require ALL quals for a variable ?
Like "xyz OF abc OF def OF ghi OF jkl" despite that
"xyz OF abc OF ghi" would be enough unique for COBOL.
(It's now quite late here, I will continue tomorrow.)
A part of my log:
...
* The ENTRY SISGB10 ::> SISGB10 breakpoint is replaced.
AT ENTRY SISMB10
PERFORM
QUALIFY CU SISMB10 ;
AT CHANGE WB20-CLNR-XX OF WB20-IMPORT-AVTAL-EV OF
SISMB20-DS
PERFORM
LIST WB20-CLNR-XX OF WB20-IMPORT-AVTAL-EV OF SISMB20-DS
;
END-PERFORM ;
AT CHANGE WB20-CLNR-LIKV-XX OF WB20-IMPORT-EV OF SISMB20-DS
PERFORM
LIST WB20-CLNR-LIKV-XX OF WB20-IMPORT-EV OF SISMB20-DS
;
END-PERFORM ;
AT CHANGE CLNR-LIKV OF MOD-BUFFER
PERFORM
LIST CLNR-LIKV OF MOD-BUFFER ;
END-PERFORM ;
END-PERFORM ;
* The Entry breakpoint command for SISMB10 :> SISMB1
Debug Tool know how...
If it turns out that there is something that Debug Tool can't do - that you
think it should, I just wanted to let all of you know that the LNGC project
at SHARE is now "accepting" (processing) requirements against that product.
If you are a SHARE member and would like to "enhance" Debug Tool (for
example to
"precede a debug tool variable reference with either another debug tool
variable reference, or an explicit load module / > > compile unit / block
name"
Please consider submitting a LNGC SHARE requirement. If you need assistance
in doing this, please feel free to contact me "off-list" at
wmklein ix.netcom.com
and I can help you get started.
P.S. LNGC is now also accepting requirements against:
- Fault Analyzer
- File Manager
- RDz (replacement for WDz and WSED)
- Debut Tool (advanced and utilities)
"Thomas Berg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.
..
> > -Ursprungligt meddelande-
> > Från: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] För Hunter Cobb
> > Skickat: den 5 mars 2008 21:28
> > Till: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
> > Ämne: Re: SV: SV: Debug Tool know how...
> >
> > Thomas,
> >
> > Some experiments with AT CHANGE confirm Don's observations about
> > qualified names in COBOL. I've found that the Debug Tool 7.1 seems to
> > allow at most one variable-based name, provided it's the first name
> > reference in a series of name references. E.g., for a variable named
> > xyz, in block blk1, in compile unit comp1, in load module
> > lm1, you can successfully follow AT CHANGE with:
> >
> > lm1::>comp1:>blk1:>xyz [no debug tool variables]
> > %block:>xyz[block qualification
variable]
> > %cu:>blk1:>xyz [compile unit qualification
variable]
> > %cu:>xyz [compile unit
qualification, omitting block specification
> > %load::>blk1:>xyz[load module qualification,
with block name]
> > %load::>comp1:>xyz[load module qualification, with
compile unit name]
> > %load::>comp1:>blk1:>xyz [load module qualification, with both
compile unit and block name]
> >
> > Any attempt to precede a debug tool variable reference with either
> > another debug tool variable reference, or an explicit load module /
> > compile unit / block name seems to fail. I'm not sure whether
> > this is a feature or a problem; as you've noted, the documentation
> > leaves some room for interpretation.
>
> This seems to contradict Your first ("succesfully") example ?
> Or do I missinterpret You ?
>
> >
> > For what it's worth, in COBOL, the compile unit name is the first
> > PROGRAM-ID in the source module. The block name is the same as the
> > compile unit name, unless you are referencing variables defined in
> > nested programs. A variable defined in a nested program's DATA DIVISION
> > would have the block name of the nested program's PROGRAM-ID,
> > but would have the compile unit name of the outermost program's
> > PROGRAM-ID. Most typically (i.e., in the absence of nested programs),
compile
> > unit name and block name are the same, and you would normally only
> > specify one of the two. Load module name is, of course, the member name
of the
> > executable program in the load library.
> >
> > Hope this helps,
> >
> > Hunter Cobb
> > The Trainer's Friend, Inc.
>
> Many thanks for the help!
>
> (With the use of "AT ENTRY" I made some progress...)
> But how do ordinary cobol qualification work ?
> Like "xyz OF abc OF ghi" etc.
> I don't seem to get it right, despite "profreading"
> the variable names and quals in the program. Do DT
> require ALL quals for a variable ?
> Like "xyz OF abc OF def OF ghi OF jkl" despite that
> "xyz OF abc OF ghi" would be enough unique for COBOL.
>
> (It's now quite late here, I will continue tomorrow.)
>
> A part of my log:
>
> ...
> * The ENTRY SISGB10 ::> SISGB10 breakpoint is replaced.
> AT ENTRY SISMB10
> PERFORM
> QUALIFY CU SISMB10 ;
> AT CHANGE WB20-CLNR-XX OF WB20-IMPORT-AVTAL-EV OF
> SISMB20-DS
> PERFORM
SV: SV: SV: Debug Tool know how...
> -Ursprungligt meddelande-
> Från: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] För Hunter Cobb
> Skickat: den 5 mars 2008 21:28
> Till: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU
> Ämne: Re: SV: SV: Debug Tool know how...
>
> Thomas,
>
> Some experiments with AT CHANGE confirm Don's observations about
> qualified names in COBOL. I've found that the Debug Tool 7.1 seems to
> allow at most one variable-based name, provided it's the first name
> reference in a series of name references. E.g., for a variable named
> xyz, in block blk1, in compile unit comp1, in load module
> lm1, you can successfully follow AT CHANGE with:
>
> lm1::>comp1:>blk1:>xyz [no debug tool variables]
> %block:>xyz[block qualification variable]
> %cu:>blk1:>xyz [compile unit qualification variable]
> %cu:>xyz [compile unit qualification,
> omitting block specification
> %load::>blk1:>xyz[load module qualification, with
> block name]
> %load::>comp1:>xyz[load module qualification, with
> compile unit name]
> %load::>comp1:>blk1:>xyz [load module qualification, with both
> compile unit and block name]
>
> Any attempt to precede a debug tool variable reference with either
> another debug tool variable reference, or an explicit load module /
> compile unit / block name seems to fail. I'm not sure whether
> this is a feature or a problem; as you've noted, the documentation
> leaves some room for interpretation.
This seems to contradict Your first ("succesfully") example ?
Or do I missinterpret You ?
>
> For what it's worth, in COBOL, the compile unit name is the first
> PROGRAM-ID in the source module. The block name is the same as the
> compile unit name, unless you are referencing variables defined in
> nested programs. A variable defined in a nested program's DATA DIVISION
> would have the block name of the nested program's PROGRAM-ID,
> but would have the compile unit name of the outermost program's
> PROGRAM-ID. Most typically (i.e., in the absence of nested programs), compile
> unit name and block name are the same, and you would normally only
> specify one of the two. Load module name is, of course, the member name of
> the
> executable program in the load library.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Hunter Cobb
> The Trainer's Friend, Inc.
Many thanks for the help!
(With the use of "AT ENTRY" I made some progress...)
But how do ordinary cobol qualification work ?
Like "xyz OF abc OF ghi" etc.
I don't seem to get it right, despite "profreading"
the variable names and quals in the program. Do DT
require ALL quals for a variable ?
Like "xyz OF abc OF def OF ghi OF jkl" despite that
"xyz OF abc OF ghi" would be enough unique for COBOL.
(It's now quite late here, I will continue tomorrow.)
A part of my log:
...
* The ENTRY SISGB10 ::> SISGB10 breakpoint is replaced.
AT ENTRY SISMB10
PERFORM
QUALIFY CU SISMB10 ;
AT CHANGE WB20-CLNR-XX OF WB20-IMPORT-AVTAL-EV OF
SISMB20-DS
PERFORM
LIST WB20-CLNR-XX OF WB20-IMPORT-AVTAL-EV OF SISMB20-DS
;
END-PERFORM ;
AT CHANGE WB20-CLNR-LIKV-XX OF WB20-IMPORT-EV OF SISMB20-DS
PERFORM
LIST WB20-CLNR-LIKV-XX OF WB20-IMPORT-EV OF SISMB20-DS
;
END-PERFORM ;
AT CHANGE CLNR-LIKV OF MOD-BUFFER
PERFORM
LIST CLNR-LIKV OF MOD-BUFFER ;
END-PERFORM ;
END-PERFORM ;
* The Entry breakpoint command for SISMB10 :> SISMB10 has been
* deferred until the CU appears.
* The ENTRY SISMB10 breakpoint is replaced.
* *** Commands file commands end ***
GO ;
GO ;
* The variable W
Re: SV: SV: Debug Tool know how...
Thomas Berg wrote: -Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] För Don Leahy Skickat: den 5 mars 2008 17:40 Till: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Ämne: Re: SV: Debug Tool know how... On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Thomas Berg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] För Don Leahy > Skickat: den 5 mars 2008 14:49 We runs ver 7.1 (upgraded recently from 6.1). If You have some examples of AT CHANGE and LIST with qualified variables I would be pleased if You can send any to me. BTW, I'm trying to use this code in pre-saved PDS-members to be run automatically in DT, if that make any difference. Thanks, Thomas Fully qualified names work for me: AT LABEL CXXMU21::>CXXMU21:>CXXMU21:>MAIN-OUTPUT Where CXXMU21 is my load module name. This also works for me: AT LABEL %BLOCK:>MAIN-OUTPUT And so does AT LABEL %CU:>MAIN-OUTPUT But not: AT LABEL %CU:>%BLOCK:>MAIN-OUTPUT and AT LABEL %LOAD::>%CU:>%BLOCK:>MAIN-OUTPUT Thanks! Looks like what I'm coding. (Except that I use "AT CHANGE".) Is that C++ modules ? Thomas _ Thomas Berg Specialist IT Utveckling Swedbank AB (Publ) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html Thomas, Some experiments with AT CHANGE confirm Don's observations about qualified names in COBOL. I've found that the Debug Tool 7.1 seems to allow at most one variable-based name, provided it's the first name reference in a series of name references. E.g., for a variable named xyz, in block blk1, in compile unit comp1, in load module lm1, you can successfully follow AT CHANGE with: lm1::>comp1:>blk1:>xyz [no debug tool variables] %block:>xyz[block qualification variable] %cu:>blk1:>xyz [compile unit qualification variable] %cu:>xyz [compile unit qualification, omitting block specification] %load::>blk1:>xyz[load module qualification, with block name] %load::>comp1:>xyz[load module qualification, with compile unit name] %load::>comp1:>blk1:>xyz [load module qualification, with both compile unit and block name] Any attempt to precede a debug tool variable reference with either another debug tool variable reference, or an explicit load module / compile unit / block name seems to fail. I'm not sure whether this is a feature or a problem; as you've noted, the documentation leaves some room for interpretation. For what it's worth, in COBOL, the compile unit name is the first PROGRAM-ID in the source module. The block name is the same as the compile unit name, unless you are referencing variables defined in nested programs. A variable defined in a nested program's DATA DIVISION would have the block name of the nested program's PROGRAM-ID, but would have the compile unit name of the outermost program's PROGRAM-ID. Most typically (i.e., in the absence of nested programs), compile unit name and block name are the same, and you would normally only specify one of the two. Load module name is, of course, the member name of the executable program in the load library. Hope this helps, Hunter Cobb The Trainer's Friend, Inc. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SV: Debug Tool know how...
On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 11:55 AM, Thomas Berg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thanks! > Looks like what I'm coding. (Except that I use "AT CHANGE".) > > Is that C++ modules ? > > > > Thomas > _ > Thomas Berg Specialist IT Utveckling Swedbank AB (Publ) > Not C++. Enterprise Cobol V3.3 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
SV: SV: Debug Tool know how...
> -Ursprungligt meddelande- > Från: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] För Don Leahy > Skickat: den 5 mars 2008 17:40 > Till: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Ämne: Re: SV: Debug Tool know how... > > On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Thomas Berg > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] För Don Leahy > > > Skickat: den 5 mars 2008 14:49 > > > > We runs ver 7.1 (upgraded recently from 6.1). > > If You have some examples of AT CHANGE and LIST with > > qualified variables I would be pleased if You can send > > any to me. > > > > BTW, I'm trying to use this code in pre-saved PDS-members > > to be run automatically in DT, if that make any difference. > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Thomas > > Fully qualified names work for me: > > AT LABEL CXXMU21::>CXXMU21:>CXXMU21:>MAIN-OUTPUT > > Where CXXMU21 is my load module name. > > This also works for me: > > AT LABEL %BLOCK:>MAIN-OUTPUT > > And so does > > AT LABEL %CU:>MAIN-OUTPUT > > But not: > > AT LABEL %CU:>%BLOCK:>MAIN-OUTPUT > > and > > AT LABEL %LOAD::>%CU:>%BLOCK:>MAIN-OUTPUT Thanks! Looks like what I'm coding. (Except that I use "AT CHANGE".) Is that C++ modules ? Thomas _ Thomas Berg Specialist IT Utveckling Swedbank AB (Publ) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SV: Debug Tool know how...
On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Thomas Berg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] För Don Leahy > > Skickat: den 5 mars 2008 14:49 > > > Till: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > > Ämne: Re: SV: Debug Tool know how... > > > > > > On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 8:09 AM, Thomas Berg > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Yes, I have looked into it. > > > But my problems is like: The manual says You can > > > use the DT variable %CU or %BLOCK in place of > > > names of current items, e g " AT CHANGE %CU:>VARIABLE-NAME ", > > > etc. But I get syntax error for that and so on. > > > I also get other errors regarding qualification of > > > variables. The manual is very short on syntax and its > > > restrictions. > > > > > > So I need some advice from someone that have used DT > > > a lot. Or whatever examples of DT code that can be > > > found. > > > > I am a DT user but unfortunately I do not know the answer to your > > question. What I do know is that the concepts of CU and BLOCK seem to > > be language-dependent and I have never found them very helpful when > > debugging Cobol programs. Also, our shop is still using version 5.1, > > which is not very current, and DT seems to change quite substantially > > from release to release. > > We runs ver 7.1 (upgraded recently from 6.1). > If You have some examples of AT CHANGE and LIST with > qualified variables I would be pleased if You can send > any to me. > > BTW, I'm trying to use this code in pre-saved PDS-members > to be run automatically in DT, if that make any difference. > > Thanks, > > > Thomas Fully qualified names work for me: AT LABEL CXXMU21::>CXXMU21:>CXXMU21:>MAIN-OUTPUT Where CXXMU21 is my load module name. This also works for me: AT LABEL %BLOCK:>MAIN-OUTPUT And so does AT LABEL %CU:>MAIN-OUTPUT But not: AT LABEL %CU:>%BLOCK:>MAIN-OUTPUT and AT LABEL %LOAD::>%CU:>%BLOCK:>MAIN-OUTPUT For the Cobol programs that I work with the variables %LOAD, %CU and %BLOCK always have the same value. But DT doesn't seem to like it when you use multiple variables. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
SV: Debug Tool know how...
You are right. But as the PMR way is a slow lane and I prefer to be sure that the error is in the product rather than behind the keyboard I need some more data. As nearly always, when You should do a PMR or write a RCF You don't have the time. I will try at comp.lang.cobol as You suggested. There must be *someone* else than me that have (tried to) done similar things in DT. Thomas _ Thomas Berg Specialist IT Utveckling Swedbank AB (Publ) > -Ursprungligt meddelande- > Från: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] För Bill Klein > Skickat: den 5 mars 2008 16:32 > Till: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Ämne: Debug Tool know how... > > If you find cases where the manual says something will work > (or you read it > as saying that) and the product doesn't support it, then I > would say that is > DEFINITELY a place where you should create a support PMR. > > If you have questions about "how to" (and the manuals aren't > clear), and it > is for COBOL, you can try posting it to comp.lang.cobol > Usenet group. I > don't know how many debut tool users there are in that group, > but there may > be some. (Most of the contributors are PC/Linux/Unix COBOL > users, but some > are from IBM Enterprise COBOL shops. > > I would Certainly create RCF's (Readers Comment Forms) on > anything that you > think needs to be changed or expanded in the documentation). > > "Thomas Berg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message > news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED] > pa.myntet.se>. > .. > > Yes, I have looked into it. > > But my problems is like: The manual says You can > > use the DT variable %CU or %BLOCK in place of > > names of current items, e g " AT CHANGE %CU:>VARIABLE-NAME ", > > etc. But I get syntax error for that and so on. > > I also get other errors regarding qualification of > > variables. The manual is very short on syntax and its > > restrictions. > > > > So I need some advice from someone that have used DT > > a lot. Or whatever examples of DT code that can be > > found. > > > > Thomas > > _ > > Thomas Berg Specialist IT Utveckling Swedbank AB (Publ) > > > > > > > > > -Ursprungligt meddelande- > > > Från: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] För Timur Alpaslan > > > Skickat: den 5 mars 2008 13:55 > > > Till: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > > > Ämne: Re: SV: Debug Tool know how... > > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > There's also a Redbook SG24-7372-00 published June 2007 > > > called "IBM Application Development and Problem Determination > > > Tools V7 for System z" which can be rather handy to have a > > > look at sometimes. Have you tried it? It's free to > download from IBM. > > > > > > Cheers > > > Timur > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 13:22:54 +0100 > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subject: SV: Debug Tool know how... > > > > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > > > > > > > > Thank You, but I already have the Reference manual and > > > > the User Guide... ..and I have read them both :(( > > > > (Or at least big parts of them.) > > > > > > > > Unfortunately the behaviour of DT doesn't correspond to > > > > the manuals (at points where I have found info about) > > > > - plus that there is a lot that is not explained. > > > > > > > > Thomas > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Ursprungligt meddelande----- > > > > > Från: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] För Timur Alpaslan > > > > > Skickat: den 5 mars 2008 13:05 > > > > > Till: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > > > > > Ämne: Re: Debug Tool know how... > > > > > > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > > > > > You can try the address; > > > > > > > > > > > http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/pdthelp/v1r1/index.jsp > > > > > > > > > > for > > > > > IBM System z Enterprise Development Tools & Compilers > > > > > information centerCheers > > > > > Timur Alpaslan > > > > > > > > > > > >
Debug Tool know how...
If you find cases where the manual says something will work (or you read it as saying that) and the product doesn't support it, then I would say that is DEFINITELY a place where you should create a support PMR. If you have questions about "how to" (and the manuals aren't clear), and it is for COBOL, you can try posting it to comp.lang.cobol Usenet group. I don't know how many debut tool users there are in that group, but there may be some. (Most of the contributors are PC/Linux/Unix COBOL users, but some are from IBM Enterprise COBOL shops. I would Certainly create RCF's (Readers Comment Forms) on anything that you think needs to be changed or expanded in the documentation). "Thomas Berg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. .. > Yes, I have looked into it. > But my problems is like: The manual says You can > use the DT variable %CU or %BLOCK in place of > names of current items, e g " AT CHANGE %CU:>VARIABLE-NAME ", > etc. But I get syntax error for that and so on. > I also get other errors regarding qualification of > variables. The manual is very short on syntax and its > restrictions. > > So I need some advice from someone that have used DT > a lot. Or whatever examples of DT code that can be > found. > > Thomas > _ > Thomas Berg Specialist IT Utveckling Swedbank AB (Publ) > > > > > -Ursprungligt meddelande- > > Från: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] För Timur Alpaslan > > Skickat: den 5 mars 2008 13:55 > > Till: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > > Ämne: Re: SV: Debug Tool know how... > > > > Hi! > > > > There's also a Redbook SG24-7372-00 published June 2007 > > called "IBM Application Development and Problem Determination > > Tools V7 for System z" which can be rather handy to have a > > look at sometimes. Have you tried it? It's free to download from IBM. > > > > Cheers > > Timur > > > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 13:22:54 +0100 > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: SV: Debug Tool know how... > > > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > > > > > > Thank You, but I already have the Reference manual and > > > the User Guide... ..and I have read them both :(( > > > (Or at least big parts of them.) > > > > > > Unfortunately the behaviour of DT doesn't correspond to > > > the manuals (at points where I have found info about) > > > - plus that there is a lot that is not explained. > > > > > > Thomas > > > > > > > > > > -Ursprungligt meddelande- > > > > Från: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] För Timur Alpaslan > > > > Skickat: den 5 mars 2008 13:05 > > > > Till: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > > > > Ämne: Re: Debug Tool know how... > > > > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > > > You can try the address; > > > > > > > > http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/pdthelp/v1r1/index.jsp > > > > > > > > for > > > > IBM System z Enterprise Development Tools & Compilers > > > > information centerCheers > > > > Timur Alpaslan > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 12:42:51 +0100 > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Subject: Debug Tool know how... > > > > > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > > > > > > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > > > > > Anyone that can point me to a mailing list or resource > > > > > about IBM's Debug Tool ? > > > > > > > > > > I'm trying to use it on a COBOL program and have some > > > > > diificulties with its idiosyncrasys. > > > > > > > > > > TIA > > > > > Thomas > > > > > > > > > > _ > > > > > Thomas Berg Specialist IT Utveckling Swedbank AB (Publ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > > > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET > > > > IBM-MAIN INFO > > > > > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET > > IBM-MAIN INFO > > > > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] För Don Leahy > Skickat: den 5 mars 2008 14:49 > Till: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Ämne: Re: SV: Debug Tool know how... > > On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 8:09 AM, Thomas Berg > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Yes, I have looked into it. > > But my problems is like: The manual says You can > > use the DT variable %CU or %BLOCK in place of > > names of current items, e g " AT CHANGE %CU:>VARIABLE-NAME ", > > etc. But I get syntax error for that and so on. > > I also get other errors regarding qualification of > > variables. The manual is very short on syntax and its > > restrictions. > > > > So I need some advice from someone that have used DT > > a lot. Or whatever examples of DT code that can be > > found. > > I am a DT user but unfortunately I do not know the answer to your > question. What I do know is that the concepts of CU and BLOCK seem to > be language-dependent and I have never found them very helpful when > debugging Cobol programs. Also, our shop is still using version 5.1, > which is not very current, and DT seems to change quite substantially > from release to release. We runs ver 7.1 (upgraded recently from 6.1). If You have some examples of AT CHANGE and LIST with qualified variables I would be pleased if You can send any to me. BTW, I'm trying to use this code in pre-saved PDS-members to be run automatically in DT, if that make any difference. Thanks, Thomas _ Thomas Berg Specialist IT Utveckling Swedbank AB (Publ) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Wed, Mar 5, 2008 at 8:09 AM, Thomas Berg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yes, I have looked into it. > But my problems is like: The manual says You can > use the DT variable %CU or %BLOCK in place of > names of current items, e g " AT CHANGE %CU:>VARIABLE-NAME ", > etc. But I get syntax error for that and so on. > I also get other errors regarding qualification of > variables. The manual is very short on syntax and its > restrictions. > > So I need some advice from someone that have used DT > a lot. Or whatever examples of DT code that can be > found. I am a DT user but unfortunately I do not know the answer to your question. What I do know is that the concepts of CU and BLOCK seem to be language-dependent and I have never found them very helpful when debugging Cobol programs. Also, our shop is still using version 5.1, which is not very current, and DT seems to change quite substantially from release to release. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Sorry! I'm not a direct user of the product. I'll suggest you contact IBM SW Support such tah they can help you with details. > Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 14:09:53 +0100 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: SV: SV: Debug Tool know how... > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > > Yes, I have looked into it. > But my problems is like: The manual says You can > use the DT variable %CU or %BLOCK in place of > names of current items, e g " AT CHANGE %CU:>VARIABLE-NAME ", > etc. But I get syntax error for that and so on. > I also get other errors regarding qualification of > variables. The manual is very short on syntax and its > restrictions. > > So I need some advice from someone that have used DT > a lot. Or whatever examples of DT code that can be > found. > > Thomas > _ > Thomas Berg Specialist IT Utveckling Swedbank AB (Publ) > > > > > -Ursprungligt meddelande- > > Från: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] För Timur Alpaslan > > Skickat: den 5 mars 2008 13:55 > > Till: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > > Ämne: Re: SV: Debug Tool know how... > > > > Hi! > > > > There's also a Redbook SG24-7372-00 published June 2007 > > called "IBM Application Development and Problem Determination > > Tools V7 for System z" which can be rather handy to have a > > look at sometimes. Have you tried it? It's free to download from IBM. > > > > Cheers > > Timur > > > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 13:22:54 +0100 > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: SV: Debug Tool know how... > > > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > > > > > > Thank You, but I already have the Reference manual and > > > the User Guide... ..and I have read them both :(( > > > (Or at least big parts of them.) > > > > > > Unfortunately the behaviour of DT doesn't correspond to > > > the manuals (at points where I have found info about) > > > - plus that there is a lot that is not explained. > > > > > > Thomas > > > > > > > > > > -Ursprungligt meddelande- > > > > Från: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] För Timur Alpaslan > > > > Skickat: den 5 mars 2008 13:05 > > > > Till: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > > > > Ämne: Re: Debug Tool know how... > > > > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > > > You can try the address; > > > > > > > > http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/pdthelp/v1r1/index.jsp > > > > > > > > for > > > > IBM System z Enterprise Development Tools & Compilers > > > > information centerCheers > > > > Timur Alpaslan > > > > > > > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 12:42:51 +0100 > > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > Subject: Debug Tool know how... > > > > > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > > > > > > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > > > > > Anyone that can point me to a mailing list or resource > > > > > about IBM's Debug Tool ? > > > > > > > > > > I'm trying to use it on a COBOL program and have some > > > > > diificulties with its idiosyncrasys. > > > > > > > > > > TIA > > > > > Thomas > > > > > > > > > > _ > > > > > Thomas Berg Specialist IT Utveckling Swedbank AB (Publ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > > > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET > > > > IBM-MAIN INFO > > > > > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET > > IBM-MAIN INFO > > > > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > > > > > > > > > > > --
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Yes, I have looked into it. But my problems is like: The manual says You can use the DT variable %CU or %BLOCK in place of names of current items, e g " AT CHANGE %CU:>VARIABLE-NAME ", etc. But I get syntax error for that and so on. I also get other errors regarding qualification of variables. The manual is very short on syntax and its restrictions. So I need some advice from someone that have used DT a lot. Or whatever examples of DT code that can be found. Thomas _ Thomas Berg Specialist IT Utveckling Swedbank AB (Publ) > -Ursprungligt meddelande- > Från: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] För Timur Alpaslan > Skickat: den 5 mars 2008 13:55 > Till: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Ämne: Re: SV: Debug Tool know how... > > Hi! > > There's also a Redbook SG24-7372-00 published June 2007 > called "IBM Application Development and Problem Determination > Tools V7 for System z" which can be rather handy to have a > look at sometimes. Have you tried it? It's free to download from IBM. > > Cheers > Timur > > > > > Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 13:22:54 +0100 > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: SV: Debug Tool know how... > > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > > > > Thank You, but I already have the Reference manual and > > the User Guide... ..and I have read them both :(( > > (Or at least big parts of them.) > > > > Unfortunately the behaviour of DT doesn't correspond to > > the manuals (at points where I have found info about) > > - plus that there is a lot that is not explained. > > > > Thomas > > > > > > > -Ursprungligt meddelande----- > > > Från: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] För Timur Alpaslan > > > Skickat: den 5 mars 2008 13:05 > > > Till: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > > > Ämne: Re: Debug Tool know how... > > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > You can try the address; > > > > > > http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/pdthelp/v1r1/index.jsp > > > > > > for > > > IBM System z Enterprise Development Tools & Compilers > > > information centerCheers > > > Timur Alpaslan > > > > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 12:42:51 +0100 > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subject: Debug Tool know how... > > > > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > > > > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > > > Anyone that can point me to a mailing list or resource > > > > about IBM's Debug Tool ? > > > > > > > > I'm trying to use it on a COBOL program and have some > > > > diificulties with its idiosyncrasys. > > > > > > > > TIA > > > > Thomas > > > > > > > > _ > > > > Thomas Berg Specialist IT Utveckling Swedbank AB (Publ) > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET > > > IBM-MAIN INFO > > > > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > > > > > > -- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET > IBM-MAIN INFO > > > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > > > > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET > IBM-MAIN INFO > > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Hi! There's also a Redbook SG24-7372-00 published June 2007 called "IBM Application Development and Problem Determination Tools V7 for System z" which can be rather handy to have a look at sometimes. Have you tried it? It's free to download from IBM. Cheers Timur > Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 13:22:54 +0100 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: SV: Debug Tool know how... > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > > Thank You, but I already have the Reference manual and > the User Guide... ..and I have read them both :(( > (Or at least big parts of them.) > > Unfortunately the behaviour of DT doesn't correspond to > the manuals (at points where I have found info about) > - plus that there is a lot that is not explained. > > Thomas > > > > -Ursprungligt meddelande- > > Från: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] För Timur Alpaslan > > Skickat: den 5 mars 2008 13:05 > > Till: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > > Ämne: Re: Debug Tool know how... > > > > Hi! > > > > You can try the address; > > > > http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/pdthelp/v1r1/index.jsp > > > > for > > IBM System z Enterprise Development Tools & Compilers > > information centerCheers > > Timur Alpaslan > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 12:42:51 +0100 > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Debug Tool know how... > > > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > > > > > > Hi! > > > > > > Anyone that can point me to a mailing list or resource > > > about IBM's Debug Tool ? > > > > > > I'm trying to use it on a COBOL program and have some > > > diificulties with its idiosyncrasys. > > > > > > TIA > > > Thomas > > > > > > _ > > > Thomas Berg Specialist IT Utveckling Swedbank AB (Publ) > > > > > > > > -- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET > > IBM-MAIN INFO > > > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Thank You, but I already have the Reference manual and the User Guide... ..and I have read them both :(( (Or at least big parts of them.) Unfortunately the behaviour of DT doesn't correspond to the manuals (at points where I have found info about) - plus that there is a lot that is not explained. Thomas > -Ursprungligt meddelande- > Från: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] För Timur Alpaslan > Skickat: den 5 mars 2008 13:05 > Till: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > Ämne: Re: Debug Tool know how... > > Hi! > > You can try the address; > > http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/pdthelp/v1r1/index.jsp > > for > IBM System z Enterprise Development Tools & Compilers > information centerCheers > Timur Alpaslan > > > > Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 12:42:51 +0100 > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Debug Tool know how... > > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > > > > Hi! > > > > Anyone that can point me to a mailing list or resource > > about IBM's Debug Tool ? > > > > I'm trying to use it on a COBOL program and have some > > diificulties with its idiosyncrasys. > > > > TIA > > Thomas > > > > _ > > Thomas Berg Specialist IT Utveckling Swedbank AB (Publ) > > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET > IBM-MAIN INFO > > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Hi! You can try the address; http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/pdthelp/v1r1/index.jsp for IBM System z Enterprise Development Tools & Compilers information centerCheers Timur Alpaslan > Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2008 12:42:51 +0100 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Debug Tool know how... > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > > Hi! > > Anyone that can point me to a mailing list or resource > about IBM's Debug Tool ? > > I'm trying to use it on a COBOL program and have some > diificulties with its idiosyncrasys. > > TIA > Thomas > > _ > Thomas Berg Specialist IT Utveckling Swedbank AB (Publ) > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Hi! Anyone that can point me to a mailing list or resource about IBM's Debug Tool ? I'm trying to use it on a COBOL program and have some diificulties with its idiosyncrasys. TIA Thomas _ Thomas Berg Specialist IT Utveckling Swedbank AB (Publ) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
