Re: Faxing from the mainframe

2008-04-09 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 04/08/2008
   at 02:02 PM, Timothy Sipples [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

Perhaps it's more precise to say that OV/MVS is, by far, the closest
current match to PROFS. Is that fair?

Is OV/VM dead? If not, it's the closest available to PROFS.

OV/MVS was a hodgepodge of unrelated components bolted together. I'd be
interested in comments from prior or current OV/MVS users as to how they
view it.

BTDTGTS.
 
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Re: Faxing from the mainframe

2008-04-09 Thread Eric Bielefeld
When I was at PH Mining, we had OV/MVS for several years.  We got it when 
there were very few PCs in the company.  Most people who had PCs, and did 
emails or document writing on the mainframe didn't like OV/MVS.  It was much 
more cumbersome to use than a PC.  When most people had PCs, we got rid of 
OV/MVS.  I don't remember when though.  I know the OV/MVS email system was not 
connected to the internet.  

There was a project to allow people to send from OV/MVS to people within the 
company who had Groupwise, and vice versa, but that project was never 
completed.  

Eric

 Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 OV/MVS was a hodgepodge of unrelated components bolted together. I'd be
 interested in comments from prior or current OV/MVS users as to how they
 view it.
 
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Re: Faxing from the mainframe

2008-04-07 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED],
on 04/04/2008
   at 02:56 PM, Timothy Sipples [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

PROFS is still around, although the new name (and new version) is now
OfficeVision.

No; OV/VM may be PROFS, but OV/MVS is quite different.
 
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Re: Faxing from the mainframe

2008-04-07 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 04/03/2008
   at 02:41 PM, Brad Wissink [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

We currently are using PSF download to send purchase orders to
InfoPrint/AIX  V4.1 and then faxing from there to the vendor.  We have
learned that fax  support will no longer be included in InfoPrint on any
platform.  So I was just  curious as to how other shops are dealing with
faxing from the mainframe?

 1. Revise procedures to do a file transfer rather than sending a fax.

 2. Send an e-mail to a fax server.

The first is a better solution in the long run but the second takes less
time and effort in the short run.
 
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Re: Faxing from the mainframe

2008-04-07 Thread Timothy Sipples
Shmuel Metz writes:
No; OV/VM may be PROFS, but OV/MVS is quite different.

Perhaps it's more precise to say that OV/MVS is, by far, the closest
current match to PROFS. Is that fair?

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Re: Faxing from the mainframe

2008-04-06 Thread Rob Schramm
The last place I worked used MQ to get faxes from the mainframe to a 
RightFax server.  Worked pretty well... although every so often RightFax 
would decide not to take a liking to certain messages/sizes and respond 
a bit petulantly.

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Sirius Computer Solutions

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Re: Faxing from the mainframe

2008-04-06 Thread Mark van der Eynden
On Thu, 3 Apr 2008 14:41:08 -0500, Brad Wissink [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

We currently are using PSF download to send purchase orders to 
InfoPrint/AIX
V4.1 and then faxing from there to the vendor.  We have learned that fax
support will no longer be included in InfoPrint on any platform.  So I was just
curious as to how other shops are dealing with faxing from the mainframe?

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Do a google on email2fax 

You should be able to solve the problem quicker than you think. 

Just create a PDF of the fax you want to send using txt2pdf and then email it 
to your email2fax provider.

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Re: Faxing from the mainframe

2008-04-06 Thread Timothy Sipples
It is possible to get reliable e-mail-to-fax service. For example, you may
wish to set up a private IPSec SMTP tunnel between your mainframe and your
e-mail-to-fax service provider. Then you are connecting directly and over a
private link, and you can have reasonable confidence in the transmission.
Your e-mail-to-fax service provider should also have various means of
generating transmission reports to indicate who got what (and when). Or,
more precisely, that some fax machine answered and the paper is perhaps
curled up under the filing cabinet. :-)

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Re: Faxing from the mainframe

2008-04-04 Thread Daniel McLaughlin
Not in touch with all the details as it's not my area, but we use VPS to a 
server that then uses RightFax.


Believe me, that is as much as I know.

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Re: Faxing from the mainframe

2008-04-04 Thread David Andrews
On Fri, 2008-04-04 at 14:56 +0900, Timothy Sipples wrote: 
 Re: Faxing, I think I'd echo what everyone else says about e-mailing.

I'll not dispute the desirability of email over fax, but remember: you
have to give the customer what s/he wants.

We have vegetable brokers who come into the office at 5:30 in the
morning, and who expect to see a price list and truck manifests in the
hopper, which they snatch up on the way to the coffee pot.  We've
offered email, but they don't want it.

We have small farmers, at the dirt end of nowhere, in sometimes
un-air-conditioned offices.  Connectivity is limited to a couple of
1FBs, and to them... fax machines are a new technology.  They want to
receive orders via fax, and we accommodate them.

 For the occasional fax you can purchase e-mail-to-faxing service

And don't forget: you email something and it's like shooting an arrow
into the fog.  No guaranteed delivery, no notification of success or
failure (unless you do something like AS2).  With fax, you have a
reasonable idea whether the document was received.

Any serious email-to-fax service has to be able to provide you with the
final disposition of your document.  Really, that's a big deal.

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Re: Faxing from the mainframe

2008-04-04 Thread David Andrews
On Fri, 2008-04-04 at 06:38 -0400, Daniel McLaughlin wrote:
 Not in touch with all the details as it's not my area, but we use VPS to a 
 server that then uses RightFax.
 
 Believe me, that is as much as I know.

That's about as much as you want to know.

We're also RightFax customers, but not particularly happy ones.  Since
they absorbed CommercePath awhile ago, old useful features have
evaporated and support has become... difficult.

(Makes me yearn for the old days when we rolled our own.  We built and
operated a proprietary mainframe-to-fax system almost 20 years ago, a
few years before I ever heard of anyone else's product.  We probably
should have marketed it... but management reminded us at the time that
we're not in the computer business.  Oh well; lost opportunities.)

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Re: Faxing from the mainframe

2008-04-04 Thread Harris, Randy
We use ColumbusZ (formerly VtamPrint) for routing our printing and we
have a Rightfax server defined as printer in ColumbusZ.

Randy Harris
Sr. Systems Programmer / DBA
Lane Furniture Industries, Inc.
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We currently are using PSF download to send purchase orders to
InfoPrint/AIX 
V4.1 and then faxing from there to the vendor.  We have learned that fax

support will no longer be included in InfoPrint on any platform.  So I
was just 
curious as to how other shops are dealing with faxing from the
mainframe?

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Re: Faxing from the mainframe

2008-04-04 Thread Rob Wunderlich
We use eSendit from MacKinney.

-Rob


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Faxing from the mainframe

2008-04-03 Thread Brad Wissink
We currently are using PSF download to send purchase orders to InfoPrint/AIX 
V4.1 and then faxing from there to the vendor.  We have learned that fax 
support will no longer be included in InfoPrint on any platform.  So I was just 
curious as to how other shops are dealing with faxing from the mainframe?

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Re: Faxing from the mainframe

2008-04-03 Thread McKown, John
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 We currently are using PSF download to send purchase orders 
 to InfoPrint/AIX 
 V4.1 and then faxing from there to the vendor.  We have 
 learned that fax 
 support will no longer be included in InfoPrint on any 
 platform.  So I was just 
 curious as to how other shops are dealing with faxing from 
 the mainframe?

We don't do this, but I'd look at using email. If you must fax, then
email to a fax server inside your own organization. I figure that I
could put up a Linux/Intel system to do this in a couple of days.

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Re: Faxing from the mainframe

2008-04-03 Thread Howard Brazee
On 3 Apr 2008 12:50:45 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (McKown,
John) wrote:

We don't do this, but I'd look at using email. If you must fax, then
email to a fax server inside your own organization. I figure that I
could put up a Linux/Intel system to do this in a couple of days.

That's our solution as well.

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Re: Faxing from the mainframe

2008-04-03 Thread David Andrews
On Thu, 2008-04-03 at 14:50 -0500, McKown, John wrote:
 If you must fax, then email to a fax server inside your own
 organization. I figure that I could put up a Linux/Intel system to do
 this in a couple of days.

This is a bigger job than you might think.  Your customers have a wide
variety of fax machines, from expensive high-end systems to dirt cheap
group-zero dinosaurs purchased in an office supply store 15 years ago.
There have been times that we've simply given up and purchased new fax
machines for customers when we just couldn't get their old doggy
machines to talk to our fax servers.

You have to retry failed operations, and you have to work out what
counts as a failure, perhaps on a customer-by-customer basis.  Some
fax machines drop the connection prematurely.  Did the paper print or
not?  If you retry the fax will the customer get lots of copies?
Depends on whether the customer has one of those odd machines.

You can't retry a call more than (I think) ten times or you run afoul of
US FCC regs.  You don't want to retry immediately either, 'cause you'll
just get ten quick busy signals in a row.  That means you'll have to
requeue the call for some later time, either at the server or from the
mainframe.

(Oh, and make doubly sure that your fax number database is clean as a
whistle.  We once spent a week waking up a Collier County sheriff in the
middle of the night -- ten phone calls in a row.  He eventually brought
a fax machine home from the office, plugged it in and discovered who we
were.  We apologized profusely and sent him a crate of citrus.  Then we
beat up on the sales force, who was supposed to double-check those fax
numbers after each morning's failures.)

You'll want to keep track of what calls were successful and which
failed, implying bidirectional communication with your Intelbox.  Many
of the documents we send *must* be received, else they have to go out as
snail mail.

Along the same lines, you'll want to implement a priority scheme.  Some
faxes are *important*, while others aren't so.  When you have a couple
hundred broadcast faxes in the queue and a send-it-now bill of lading
comes down the pipe you want it to have priority.

Do you have multiple fax servers with multiple cards or fax modems?
You'll want *not* to dial the same fax number at the same time, so your
servers will have to talk to each other (or the mainframe app will have
to intelligently distribute the load).

You can significantly improve performance by batching up documents
destined for the same phone number.  But this also complicates your
effort to provide recoverability and accountability.

I take your point that a (e.g.) Hylafax instance would be relatively
easy to throw together.  But making a robust fax server that integrates
well with your local information system is a surprisingly complex
undertaking.

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Re: Faxing from the mainframe

2008-04-03 Thread Hal Merritt
You might be surprised just how many fax solutions are just because
that's the way it's always been done and the recipient would -much-
rather have email. 

To answer your question, we email. Be aware we have had problems when an
individual goes on vacation and the mailbox fills up. 

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InfoPrint/AIX 
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support will no longer be included in InfoPrint on any platform.  So I
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Re: Faxing from the mainframe

2008-04-03 Thread Edward Jaffe

Brad Wissink wrote:
We currently are using PSF download to send purchase orders to InfoPrint/AIX 
V4.1 and then faxing from there to the vendor.  We have learned that fax 
support will no longer be included in InfoPrint on any platform.  So I was just 
curious as to how other shops are dealing with faxing from the mainframe?
  


We have been using a mainframe - fax solution for almost 20 years. It 
was originally called FaxGate. (Not sure of the current name.)


Several years ago, we started emailing customers and distributors via 
z/OS SMTP/SENDMAIL. According to our tech support guys, we now send 
faxes only once or twice per year! As a result, we've decided to not 
support the fax server any more. In the event a fax *must* be sent, we 
plan to email *ourselves* from the mainframe, print it, and fax it 
manually. Haven't had to use that process yet ...


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Re: Faxing from the mainframe

2008-04-03 Thread Eric Bielefeld
Brad,

When I was working at PH Mining, when they still had a mainframe, they did 
faxing through CICS, a special PC that came with the product, and a Unix 
application that ran on the mainframe.  This was the only Unix system we had on 
the mainframe.  The only problem is - I can't remember the name of the product. 
 

The product came bundled with a PC that actually did the faxing.  CICS 
transactions were written to initiate the faxes.  I know I had to copy a couple 
of programs into Unix files, and do some other setup that I can't remember.  A 
lot of stuff had to be done in CICS to get it to work, but I didn't work with 
CICS.

If you are interested at all, email me or call me at the number below during 
the day.  I'll have to call someone at PH, but I need a good excuse to see how 
they're doing anyway.  

I see you work at Iowa State, just up the road.  I remember in the late 60's 
visiting my brother when he worked there.  He took me to the IT department, and 
got someone to show me around.  I think they had a 360/65 back then.  I had 
just started as a computer operator, so it was really neat to see a big 
computer.  I was working on a model 40 at the time.

Eric

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 We currently are using PSF download to send purchase orders to InfoPrint/AIX 
 V4.1 and then faxing from there to the vendor.  We have learned that fax 
 support will no longer be included in InfoPrint on any platform.  So I was 
 just 
 curious as to how other shops are dealing with faxing from the mainframe?
 

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Re: Faxing from the mainframe

2008-04-03 Thread Jack . Hamilton
When I was at Varian Associates, I wrote a PROFS-to-Telex interface.  I 
wonder if anyone still uses PROFS (officially discontinued in favor of the 
great-in-theory-but-wretched-in-practice Lotus Notes)?  Or even Telexes? 
At the time, there was a legal requirement that Telexes met but email did 
not.


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Re: Faxing from the mainframe

2008-04-03 Thread Tony Harminc
On 03/04/2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 When I was at Varian Associates, I wrote a PROFS-to-Telex interface.  I
  wonder if anyone still uses PROFS (officially discontinued in favor of the
  great-in-theory-but-wretched-in-practice Lotus Notes)?  Or even Telexes?
  At the time, there was a legal requirement that Telexes met but email did
  not.

I wrote one of those around 1988, entirely in REXX, because my
employer didn't want to buy the good but very pricey VMTelex product
from Systems  Telecoms (later bought out by SoftSwitch). It worked
quite well, handled inbound as well as outbound, but it was ready just
in time for Telex to become irrelevant in the industry I worked in.

But Telex lives! See
http://www.economist.com/world/international/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10609367
for a neat little article. And another anecdote about the rapid
convergence of time sharing, email, packet switching, and Telex in the
1970s is at http://www.rogerdmoore.ca/INF/EIPSPTTa.html

Ahem -still not Friday yet.

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Re: Faxing from the mainframe

2008-04-03 Thread Ted MacNEIL
http://www.rogerdmoore.ca/INF/EIPSPTTa.html

Wow, it's a small small world.
I used to attend lectures given by Ian Sharp, in the 1970's, at UWaterloo.
And, he was a Bridge partner of mine in thew mid-1980's.

Is he still around?

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Too busy driving to stop for gas!

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Re: Faxing from the mainframe

2008-04-03 Thread Timothy Sipples
PROFS is still around, although the new name (and new version) is now
OfficeVision. You can get more details on OfficeVision/MVS here:

http://www.ibm.com/software/applications/office/officevision/index.html

Yes, it's available for ordering. The IBM product number is 5685-106.

Re: Faxing, I think I'd echo what everyone else says about e-mailing. For
the occasional fax you can purchase e-mail-to-faxing service (over the
Internet) from any of several companies, then just use the same e-mail path
from your mainframe. PDF would be a good format to e-mail.

However, I do see something in the IBM catalog for a z/OS fax gateway. It's
listed as IBM product number 5620-FIE, and it's called MessagePlus/Open for
z/OS from INTERSCOPE. There's some more information about that product
here:

http://www.ibm.com/software/data/cm/solutions_mpo.html

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