Re: How to break out CPU-time
In b53f38421003191302h4a6ebe72o98100bc0f23...@mail.gmail.com, on 03/19/2010 at 04:02 PM, George Henke gahe...@gmail.com said: According the the Anthropic Principle vis-a-vis the quantum physicists, it is observer created reality. No. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: How to break out CPU-time
Thanks for these great ideas...I have some homework to do, and will followup if I have more questions. Thanks again! Don On Sat, Mar 20, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Kelman, Tom thomas.kel...@commercebank.com wrote: z/XPF is a pretty good product. I believe it is the one a previous post mentioned that user the trace tables. I saw the demo at CMG 2009. The only problem for my shop is that it doesn't get inside CICS yet, but they said they're working on that. Tom Kelman Enterprise Capacity Planner Commerce Bank of Kansas City (816) 760-7632 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Thompson, Steve Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 3:50 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: How to break out CPU-time -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Donald Johnson Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 1:56 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: How to break out CPU-time I have a started task that performs a number of functions. In CA Sysview or SDSF I can see the total elapsed time and CPU time, I/O etc. for the overall task. Is there any way to get a more detailed breakdown of these summary numbers? For instance, can I break down the CPU time into more detail to see what is actually consuming these cycles? SNIP There is a new product for this called z/XPF that Dave Cole has on his web site (www.colesoft.com). You might want to give it a try. Regards, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html * If you wish to communicate securely with Commerce Bank and its affiliates, you must log into your account under Online Services at http://www.commercebank.com or use the Commerce Bank Secure Email Message Center at https://securemail.commercebank.com NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any attached files are confidential. The information is exclusively for the use of the individual or entity intended as the recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, printing, reviewing, retention, disclosure, distribution or forwarding of the message or any attached file is not authorized and is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail message in error, please advise the sender by reply electronic mail immediately and permanently delete the original transmission, any attachments and any copies of this message from your computer system. * -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: How to break out CPU-time
z/XPF is a pretty good product. I believe it is the one a previous post mentioned that user the trace tables. I saw the demo at CMG 2009. The only problem for my shop is that it doesn't get inside CICS yet, but they said they're working on that. Tom Kelman Enterprise Capacity Planner Commerce Bank of Kansas City (816) 760-7632 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Thompson, Steve Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 3:50 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: How to break out CPU-time -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Donald Johnson Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 1:56 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: How to break out CPU-time I have a started task that performs a number of functions. In CA Sysview or SDSF I can see the total elapsed time and CPU time, I/O etc. for the overall task. Is there any way to get a more detailed breakdown of these summary numbers? For instance, can I break down the CPU time into more detail to see what is actually consuming these cycles? SNIP There is a new product for this called z/XPF that Dave Cole has on his web site (www.colesoft.com). You might want to give it a try. Regards, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html * If you wish to communicate securely with Commerce Bank and its affiliates, you must log into your account under Online Services at http://www.commercebank.com or use the Commerce Bank Secure Email Message Center at https://securemail.commercebank.com NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any attached files are confidential. The information is exclusively for the use of the individual or entity intended as the recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, copying, printing, reviewing, retention, disclosure, distribution or forwarding of the message or any attached file is not authorized and is strictly prohibited. If you have received this electronic mail message in error, please advise the sender by reply electronic mail immediately and permanently delete the original transmission, any attachments and any copies of this message from your computer system. * -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
How to break out CPU-time
I have a started task that performs a number of functions. In CA Sysview or SDSF I can see the total elapsed time and CPU time, I/O etc. for the overall task. Is there any way to get a more detailed breakdown of these summary numbers? For instance, can I break down the CPU time into more detail to see what is actually consuming these cycles? Thank you for your suggestions. D -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: How to break out CPU-time
For instance, can I break down the CPU time into more detail to see what is actually consuming these cycles? You need a monitor like OMEGAMON, or a GTF trace. You also need a real reason to do it, because (Heisenberg) the monitors can get in the way of what they're monitoring. Are you solving a problem, or are you just curious? - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: How to break out CPU-time
If you really want to get granular, STROBE is an excellent tool, just havinng spend the last 3 days buried in it. It also has a nice GUI for the reports. And if you really want to get granular the Indexing feature will actually show how much CPU each line of code in your program is using. You also need a real reason to do it, because (Heisenberg) the monitors can get in the way of what they're monitoring. btw: Heisenberg's Rule of Uncertainty is fair more than merely experimental clumsiness. According the the Anthropic Principle vis-a-vis the quantum physicists, it is observer created reality. You know, like the tree in the forest or even better yet, the Big Bang. Who was around for that? On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca wrote: For instance, can I break down the CPU time into more detail to see what is actually consuming these cycles? You need a monitor like OMEGAMON, or a GTF trace. You also need a real reason to do it, because (Heisenberg) the monitors can get in the way of what they're monitoring. Are you solving a problem, or are you just curious? - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- George Henke (C) 845 401 5614 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: How to break out CPU-time
No problem, just more of a curiosity about why a task that is sitting and doing nothing yet (we are in the middle of implementing something) would be rolling up minimal CPU. We figure it must be some heartbeat kind of checking. Thanks for the direction, and guidance on the monitor impact. Don On Fri, Mar 19, 2010 at 3:00 PM, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca wrote: For instance, can I break down the CPU time into more detail to see what is actually consuming these cycles? You need a monitor like OMEGAMON, or a GTF trace. You also need a real reason to do it, because (Heisenberg) the monitors can get in the way of what they're monitoring. Are you solving a problem, or are you just curious? - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: How to break out CPU-time
If you really want to get granular, STROBE is an excellent tool, just havinng spend the last 3 days buried in it. It also has a nice GUI for the reports. It also has restrictions you can't get around. If you're doing get/free mains, you can't see them, because strobe goes for the as lock, and you need that for strobe to peek. Don't get me wrong, it's a good product, but you have to understand it's limitations. And, those are expensive activities. There's another product that's better, but I've only seen it in presentations and not in action. It catches free/get, because it uses the trace table(s). - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: How to break out CPU-time
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Donald Johnson Sent: Friday, March 19, 2010 1:56 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: How to break out CPU-time I have a started task that performs a number of functions. In CA Sysview or SDSF I can see the total elapsed time and CPU time, I/O etc. for the overall task. Is there any way to get a more detailed breakdown of these summary numbers? For instance, can I break down the CPU time into more detail to see what is actually consuming these cycles? SNIP There is a new product for this called z/XPF that Dave Cole has on his web site (www.colesoft.com). You might want to give it a try. Regards, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
