Re: ASM Paging and Hyperpav

2011-08-31 Thread Knutson, Sam
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Subject: ASM Paging and Hyperpav


   Issues regarding ASM Paging to Hyperpav volumes have been discussed several 
times on IBM-MAIN over the past few years. 
  APAR OA32453 has been opened to deal with these issues. 


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hyperpav 2107 emc dmx4

2011-01-11 Thread Peter Obal
Hi,

We are defining hcd for an emc's dmx4 subsystem for use with hyperpav. Can I 
define all 256 addresses from an LCU as base devices, and define another LCU 
just for hyperpav aliases???

TIA,
Peter

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ASM Paging and Hyperpav

2010-04-06 Thread Jim Mulder
   Issues regarding ASM Paging to Hyperpav volumes have been 
discussed several times on IBM-MAIN over the past few years. 
  APAR OA32453 has been opened to deal with these issues. 


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Re: HYPERPAV

2009-12-07 Thread Zaromil Tisler
- DS8000: Architecture and Implementation redbook states that
   If many LSSs are involved, then pick a quiet time to perform the SETIOS
 HYPERPAV=YES command ...Because it can take some time
 to initialize all needed LSSs ... 
  Is there a way to get an estimation on time needed per LCU ? something else?

I haven't heard of anything like this.

- Is there a way to activate HyperPAV on SYSA only, with no influence on
  SYSB? Or he has to separate them to be in one SYSPLEX? (SYSA and SYSB
  are in the same SYSPLEX)

Enter on SYSA only:
   SETIOS HYPERPAV=YES

- After we activate HyperPAV, is fallback is only to change in IECIOSxx
  member?

   SETIOS HYPERPAV=NO

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HYPERPAV

2009-12-06 Thread Magen Margalit
Hi list,

We have two systems - SYSA and SYSB that are in SYSPLEX1 and see all
DASDs. We have five CU in Static PAV and all the others are Dynamic 
PAV, and we want to start using HYPERPAV but have some questions that
couldn't find answer to :

- DS8000: Architecture and Implementation redbook states that 
   If many LSSs are involved, then pick a quiet time to perform the SETIOS 
 HYPERPAV=YES command ...Because it can take some time
 to initialize all needed LSSs ...  
  Is there a way to get an estimation on time needed per LCU ? something else?

- Is there a way to activate HyperPAV on SYSA only, with no influence on
  SYSB? Or he has to separate them to be in one SYSPLEX? (SYSA and SYSB  
  are in the same SYSPLEX)

- After we activate HyperPAV, is fallback is only to change in IECIOSxx 
  member?


Thank in Advanced.

Magen

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Re: HyperPAV without I/O Priority Management

2009-09-06 Thread Nofar Spalter
We are running with Hitachi USP V disks. HyperPAV requires an additional 
licensing cost for the OS and for the controller (license + additional 
maintenance cost, if I remember correctly). I have no idea what the costs are, 
as they are handled by a different department in our shop, and they also tend 
to change based on your agreements with your disk provider and your 
bargaining skills. 

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Re: HyperPAV without I/O Priority Management

2009-09-04 Thread gsg
What type of DASD are you running on?  We're looking into going to Hyper-
PAVs and I heard there is a one-time Hyper-PAV license fee.  Anyone know 
how much that cost?

TIA

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HyperPAV without I/O Priority Management

2009-09-03 Thread Nofar Spalter
Hello,
We are going to enable HyperPAV in our shop (z10, z/OS 1.9, USP V) and we 
currently do NOT have I/O priority management enabled. 
Having read that HyperPAV uses IORP, we were wondering if we can enable 
HyperPAV without enabling WLM I/O priority management.
Does anyone have any experience with this setting?

Any help on this matter is appreciated,
Nofar

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Re: HyperPAV without I/O Priority Management

2009-09-03 Thread John Kelly
snip
if we can enable HyperPAV without enabling WLM I/O priority management.
unsnip

We are running (z9BC, z/OS 1.9, USP V) and HyperPav seems to finally run 
OK without WLM I/O priority management. Of course it took forever to get 
VION to define the 'aliases' in their box but once they got off the dime, 
MVS did it's part with no trouble.
 
Jack Kelly
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Re: HYPERPAV Definitions

2009-06-27 Thread Mark Zelden
On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:41:20 -0500, Dave Kopischke
dgkopisc...@oppenheimerfunds.com wrote:

Anyway, considering other responses concerning page volumes, how do you
exclude page volumes from PAVs ???


I'm not sure I understand the question.  Are you asking how you exclude
page volumes from HYPERPAVs?  If so, the answer is - you don't.  If you 
want PAVs for your page volumes you need to enable WLM PAVs for
them.   HYPERPAVs won't do anything (at least not yet) nor will static PAVs.

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Re: HYPERPAV Definitions

2009-06-26 Thread Dave Kopischke
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 23:18:52 -0600, John Baxter wrote:

This may be common knowledge for HDS customers, but you do need a
Compatible PAV license on the subsystem in order to install your
HyperPAV license.

HyperPAV rocks, but watch your RMF queuing reports {or MXG or whatever)
to ensure you're not experiencing delays from alias shortages.


Yeah, I just got the quote. It rocks all right. Three layers of management 
passed out cold. That's a pretty neat trick...

Anyway, considering other responses concerning page volumes, how do you 
exclude page volumes from PAVs ???

Thanks again !!

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Re: HYPERPAV Definitions

2009-06-23 Thread Mark Zelden
On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 00:13:45 -0400, Jim Mulder d10j...@us.ibm.com wrote:
s from Jim Mulder.
 

 I need to go back and check, but I think for normal use of HYPERPAV,
 WLMPAV=YES is irrelevant.  There was an issue related to page data
 sets only and that was why I think Jim suggested to leave it on
 in WLM and HCD at the time.  That may have been fixed for z/OS 1.10.

  The HYPERPAV page data set issue has not yet been fixed in
any release of z/OS.


Thanks.  I'll have to see what we used in our sysplexes that were 
using WLM PAVs prior to HYPERPAV.  I'm fairly sure that WLMPAV=YES
was left on because we weren't sure if we were going to get someone
to pay for HYPERPAV when we started our latest DASD migration.

In some of our other sysplexes, we shared DASD between sysplexes 
so WLM PAVs were never turned on anyway and we used static PAVs. 

I don't think it would be a concern if we lost the 2nd set of I/O control
blocks in the (previously) WLM PAV sysplexes since we don't page
much and local page data sets  are entire 3390-27 volumes these
days (1 local per volume).   The other sysplexes sharing DASD had
static PAVs and ASM would have never used them regardless, so we 
didn't lose anything by not specifying WLMPAV=YES when we 
migrated to HYPERPAV in those environments.

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Re: HYPERPAV Definitions

2009-06-23 Thread John Baxter
This may be common knowledge for HDS customers, but you do need a
Compatible PAV license on the subsystem in order to install your
HyperPAV license.

HyperPAV rocks, but watch your RMF queuing reports {or MXG or whatever)
to ensure you're not experiencing delays from alias shortages.  

John Baxter
Technical Consultant 
ATCO I-Tek
Server Services, Technologies
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Subject: Re: HYPERPAV Definitions

On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 00:13:45 -0400, Jim Mulder d10j...@us.ibm.com
wrote:
s from Jim Mulder.
 

 I need to go back and check, but I think for normal use of HYPERPAV,
 WLMPAV=YES is irrelevant.  There was an issue related to page data
 sets only and that was why I think Jim suggested to leave it on
 in WLM and HCD at the time.  That may have been fixed for z/OS 1.10.

  The HYPERPAV page data set issue has not yet been fixed in
any release of z/OS.


Thanks.  I'll have to see what we used in our sysplexes that were 
using WLM PAVs prior to HYPERPAV.  I'm fairly sure that WLMPAV=YES
was left on because we weren't sure if we were going to get someone
to pay for HYPERPAV when we started our latest DASD migration.

In some of our other sysplexes, we shared DASD between sysplexes 
so WLM PAVs were never turned on anyway and we used static PAVs. 

I don't think it would be a concern if we lost the 2nd set of I/O
control
blocks in the (previously) WLM PAV sysplexes since we don't page
much and local page data sets  are entire 3390-27 volumes these
days (1 local per volume).   The other sysplexes sharing DASD had
static PAVs and ASM would have never used them regardless, so we 
didn't lose anything by not specifying WLMPAV=YES when we 
migrated to HYPERPAV in those environments.

Mark
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Re: HYPERPAV Definitions

2009-06-22 Thread Jim Mulder
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu wrote on 06/20/2009 
02:12:47 PM:


 
 The 'WLMPAV' value of 'Yes' is correct for both Dynamic PAV  
HYPERPAV.
 The setup is the same for both; the only difference is the HYPERPAV 
feature
 added on the 2107 storage subsystem.  We had Dynamic PAV before
 HYPERPAV.
 
 You still have to set WLMPAV to YES if you want ASM to exploit 
HYPERPAV,
 search in the archives for HYPERPAV postings from Jim Mulder.
 
 
 I need to go back and check, but I think for normal use of HYPERPAV,
 WLMPAV=YES is irrelevant.  There was an issue related to page data 
 sets only and that was why I think Jim suggested to leave it on
 in WLM and HCD at the time.  That may have been fixed for z/OS 1.10.

  The HYPERPAV page data set issue has not yet been fixed in
any release of z/OS.

Jim Mulder   z/OS System Test   IBM Corp.  Poughkeepsie,  NY

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Re: HYPERPAV Definitions

2009-06-20 Thread Mark Zelden
On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 16:00:09 -0500, Zaromil Tisler
zaromil-ibmn...@chello.at wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:16:47 -0500, Dave Kopischke
dgkopisc...@oppenheimerfunds.com wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 15:02:12 -0400, Swanson, Curt wrote:

Dave,

The 'WLMPAV' value of 'Yes' is correct for both Dynamic PAV  HYPERPAV.
The setup is the same for both; the only difference is the HYPERPAV feature
added on the 2107 storage subsystem.  We had Dynamic PAV before
HYPERPAV.

You still have to set WLMPAV to YES if you want ASM to exploit HYPERPAV,
search in the archives for HYPERPAV postings from Jim Mulder.


I need to go back and check, but I think for normal use of HYPERPAV,
WLMPAV=YES is irrelevant.  There was an issue related to page data 
sets only and that was why I think Jim suggested to leave it on
in WLM and HCD at the time.  That may have been fixed for z/OS 1.10.

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HYPERPAV Definitions

2009-06-19 Thread Kopischke, David G.
I've been trying to find doc that my meager intellect can understand,
but alas, I have failed yet again...

I defined a 2107 control unit.
I defined 192 3390B devices behind it.
I defined 64 3390A devices behind it.

During the prompts for the 3390A devices, HCD asks:
Parameter/
FeatureValue +
WLMPAV Yes 

Is Yes the proper response for HYPERPAV ??? I would expect that to
be proper for Dynamic PAV, but since this is my first foray into this
topic, I'm confused. The manuals I've come across aren't particularly
revealing on this topic either.

Any guidance is appreciated.

Thanks,
Dave K.

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Re: HYPERPAV Definitions

2009-06-19 Thread John Kelly
snip
WLMPAV Yes 
unsnip


We have a Hitachi box and they indicated to say 'yes' to WLM in the HCD. 
Also had to tell WLM (opt 8)

Dynamic alias management . . . . . . . . YES  (Yes or No)

and SETIOS to get it working.

HTH 


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Re: HYPERPAV Definitions

2009-06-19 Thread Dave Kopischke
On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:02:16 -0400, John Kelly wrote:

snip
WLMPAV Yes
unsnip


We have a Hitachi box and they indicated to say 'yes' to WLM in the HCD.
Also had to tell WLM (opt 8)

Dynamic alias management . . . . . . . . YES  (Yes or No)

and SETIOS to get it working.


Is this for HYPERPAV or Dynamic PAV ??? Or Both ??? I want HYPERPAV. From 
what I've read, WLM is involved in Dynamic PAV, but I didn't see reference to 
WLM in what I've found on HYPERPAV.

At this point, I'm not licensed for it, so I'll worry about the IOS change 
later. 
Right now, I'm just trying to get the device definitions correct so when I do 
SETIOS, it just lights up.

Thanks again,
  Dave K.

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Re: HYPERPAV Definitions

2009-06-19 Thread Swanson, Curt
Dave,

The 'WLMPAV' value of 'Yes' is correct for both Dynamic PAV  HYPERPAV.  The 
setup is the same for both; the only difference is the HYPERPAV feature added 
on the 2107 storage subsystem.  We had Dynamic PAV before HYPERPAV.

You can get by with fewer 3390A devices for HYPERPAV.

Regards,

Curt Swanson
z/OS Server Technologies
curt.swan...@meijer.com
These opinions are mine and not necessarily those of my employer, Meijer Great 
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Subject: HYPERPAV Definitions

I've been trying to find doc that my meager intellect can understand,
but alas, I have failed yet again...

I defined a 2107 control unit.
I defined 192 3390B devices behind it.
I defined 64 3390A devices behind it.

During the prompts for the 3390A devices, HCD asks:
Parameter/
FeatureValue +
WLMPAV Yes

Is Yes the proper response for HYPERPAV ??? I would expect that to
be proper for Dynamic PAV, but since this is my first foray into this
topic, I'm confused. The manuals I've come across aren't particularly
revealing on this topic either.

Any guidance is appreciated.

Thanks,
Dave K.

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Re: HYPERPAV Definitions

2009-06-19 Thread Dennis Trojak
Dave,
 My Hitachi guy told me to ignore WLMPAV when we installed our USP-V and
it is set to NO in my IODF.
Dennis 

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On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:02:16 -0400, John Kelly wrote:

snip
WLMPAV Yes
unsnip


We have a Hitachi box and they indicated to say 'yes' to WLM in the
HCD.
Also had to tell WLM (opt 8)

Dynamic alias management . . . . . . . . YES  (Yes or No)

and SETIOS to get it working.


Is this for HYPERPAV or Dynamic PAV ??? Or Both ??? I want HYPERPAV.
From 
what I've read, WLM is involved in Dynamic PAV, but I didn't see
reference to 
WLM in what I've found on HYPERPAV.

At this point, I'm not licensed for it, so I'll worry about the IOS
change later. 
Right now, I'm just trying to get the device definitions correct so when
I do 
SETIOS, it just lights up.

Thanks again,
  Dave K.

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Re: HYPERPAV Definitions

2009-06-19 Thread Dave Kopischke
On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 15:02:12 -0400, Swanson, Curt wrote:

Dave,

The 'WLMPAV' value of 'Yes' is correct for both Dynamic PAV  HYPERPAV.  
The setup is the same for both; the only difference is the HYPERPAV feature 
added on the 2107 storage subsystem.  We had Dynamic PAV before 
HYPERPAV.




Excellent !!!

Thanks again to everyone for your help 

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Re: HYPERPAV Definitions

2009-06-19 Thread Zaromil Tisler
On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 14:16:47 -0500, Dave Kopischke 
dgkopisc...@oppenheimerfunds.com wrote:

On Fri, 19 Jun 2009 15:02:12 -0400, Swanson, Curt wrote:

Dave,

The 'WLMPAV' value of 'Yes' is correct for both Dynamic PAV  HYPERPAV.
The setup is the same for both; the only difference is the HYPERPAV feature
added on the 2107 storage subsystem.  We had Dynamic PAV before
HYPERPAV.

You still have to set WLMPAV to YES if you want ASM to exploit HYPERPAV, 
search in the archives for HYPERPAV postings from Jim Mulder.

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Re: HYPERPAV Support on Hitachi Disk

2009-06-16 Thread R.S.

Peter Bishop pisze:
[...]
FUNCTIONS ENABLED = MIDAW, ZHPF, HS   


What is HS, listed above?


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Re: HYPERPAV Support on Hitachi Disk

2009-06-16 Thread Norbert Friemel
On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 11:32:10 +0200, R.S. wrote:


What is HS, listed above?


HyperSwap(TM)

http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/IEA2M791/4.112?SHELF=EZ2ZBK0GDT=20090115001044CASE=


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Re: HYPERPAV Support on Hitachi Disk

2009-06-16 Thread John Baxter
We have an older HDS Tagmastore USP which needed to have a code upgrade
as well as getting the z/OS portion (via the channel adapters)
reconfigured as an IBM 2107 image. The latter required a complete outage
on the box, but we had to upgrade our SAN director as well, and the same
change window accommodated both. After that, smooth as silk. (You do
need both licenses - PAV as well as HyperPAV, which I think is also the
case for the DS8000.)

.. John

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Greetings,
   I'm researching using HYPERPAV on some new Hitachi disk we're
getting.
I'm coming across mixed indications of whether HYPERPAV is supported on
non-IBM DS8* arrays. I read one post in the archives hinting that EMC
is supporting it as of mid-2008. But what about Hitachi ???

   And is this an added cost feature ??? One paper I read seemed to
indicate that, but it also seemed to indicate it was an added cost
feature of the array, not the OS.

Thanks,
Dave K.



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HYPERPAV Support on Hitachi Disk

2009-06-15 Thread Kopischke, David G.
Greetings,
   I'm researching using HYPERPAV on some new Hitachi disk we're
getting.
I'm coming across mixed indications of whether HYPERPAV is supported on
non-IBM DS8* arrays. I read one post in the archives hinting that EMC
is supporting it as of mid-2008. But what about Hitachi ???

   And is this an added cost feature ??? One paper I read seemed to
indicate that, but it also seemed to indicate it was an added cost
feature of the array, not the OS.

Thanks,
Dave K.


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Re: HYPERPAV Support on Hitachi Disk

2009-06-15 Thread Peter Bishop
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 17:48:29 -0600, Kopischke, David G.
dgkopisc...@oppenheimerfunds.com wrote:

Greetings,
   I'm researching using HYPERPAV on some new Hitachi disk we're
getting.
I'm coming across mixed indications of whether HYPERPAV is supported on
non-IBM DS8* arrays. I read one post in the archives hinting that EMC
is supporting it as of mid-2008. But what about Hitachi ???

   And is this an added cost feature ??? One paper I read seemed to
indicate that, but it also seemed to indicate it was an added cost
feature of the array, not the OS.

Thanks,
Dave K.


Yep, sure does.  Below is a sample D M=DEV output, there are 32 HyperPAV
aliases in this particular base device's alias pool.  I had to hide the S/N,
sorry.

DEVICE 103F   STATUS=ONLINE   
CHP   00   10   04   14   08   18   01   11   
ENTRY LINK ADDRESS7004 7014 7104 7114 7204 7214 7304 7314 
DEST LINK ADDRESS 7009 7019 7109 7119 7209 7219 7309 7319 
PATH ONLINE   YYYYYYYY
CHP PHYSICALLY ONLINE YYYYYYYY
PATH OPERATIONAL  YYYYYYYY
MANAGED   NNNNNNNN
CU NUMBER 1000 1000 1000 1000 1000 1000 1000 1000 
MAXIMUM MANAGED CHPID(S) ALLOWED:  0  
DESTINATION CU LOGICAL ADDRESS = 00   
SCP CU ND = 002107.900.HTC.65.000n.0012   
SCP TOKEN NED = 002107.900.HTC.65.000n.   
SCP DEVICE NED= 002107.900.HTC.65.000n.003F   
HYPERPAV ALIASES CONFIGURED = 32  
FUNCTIONS ENABLED = MIDAW, ZHPF, HS   

HTH,
Peter

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Re: HYPERPAV Support on Hitachi Disk

2009-06-15 Thread Dave Kopischke
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:06:43 -0500, Peter Bishop wrote:


Yep, sure does.  Below is a sample D M=DEV output, there are 32 HyperPAV
aliases in this particular base device's alias pool.  I had to hide the S/N,
sorry.
.
SCP CU ND = 002107.900.HTC.65.000n.0012
SCP TOKEN NED = 002107.900.HTC.65.000n.
SCP DEVICE NED= 002107.900.HTC.65.000n.003F
HYPERPAV ALIASES CONFIGURED = 32
FUNCTIONS ENABLED = MIDAW, ZHPF, HS


Excellent  Do you happen to know if this is an additional cost feature 
of 
z/OS or Hitachi ??? Not that it matters a whole lot. I'm going to pursue it 
anyway

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Re: HYPERPAV Support on Hitachi Disk

2009-06-15 Thread Peter Bishop
On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:14:27 -0500, Dave Kopischke
dgkopisc...@oppenheimerfunds.com wrote:



Excellent  Do you happen to know if this is an additional cost
feature of
z/OS or Hitachi ??? Not that it matters a whole lot. I'm going to pursue it
anyway


No extra cost on z/OS.  I believe so on HDS, but will let others chime in
(wasn't my money this time).

best regards
Peter

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Re: HYPERPAV Support on Hitachi Disk

2009-06-15 Thread Pinnacle
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From: Peter Bishop peter.bis...@eds.com

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Subject: Re: HYPERPAV Support on Hitachi Disk



On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:14:27 -0500, Dave Kopischke
dgkopisc...@oppenheimerfunds.com wrote:





Excellent  Do you happen to know if this is an additional cost

feature of
z/OS or Hitachi ??? Not that it matters a whole lot. I'm going to pursue 
it

anyway



No extra cost on z/OS.  I believe so on HDS, but will let others chime in
(wasn't my money this time).



PAVs and HyperPAVs cost money on the hardware side.  You buy it as a 
feature.


Regards,
Tom Conley 


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Re: HYPERPAV

2008-09-24 Thread Zaromil Tisler
On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 16:34:05 +0200, John Ticic IBM-MAIN wrote:

You can also use the SETIOS command.

Once the LCUs have been converted, the other LPARs can't move the aliases
around. The IBM documentation states that they are ignored.

RMF will show you the LCU and HyperPAV activity. The MVS DEVSERV 
command : D
M=DEV will give you information about devices. You should see HyperPAV
devices listed here.

John,

I had problems finding any description about the way HyperPAV works. My 
also assumed that converting the LCU(s) to HyperPAV in one system has 
nothing to do with dynamic aliases in other systems in the sysplex.

Today I eventually got a possibility to test:
- 3 systems (all z/OS 1.9, let's call them WLMA, HPAV, and WLMB) in a sysplex 
in a single CEC (2094)
- IBM DS8000.



HyperPAV set in system HPAV using
  setios hyperpav=yes
Eight jobs start concurrently in WLMA, all writing to the same two devices 
(unit 
addresses 7661 and 7861)



RMF display during the time eight jobs write to the same volume:

--
CPU= 10/ 10 UIC= 65K PR=   0 System= WLMA Delta

11:36:14 I= 0%  DEV ACTV RESP IOSQ -DELAY- PEND DISC CONN %
D %D
STG GRP  VOLSER NUM  PAV  LCU   RATE TIME TIME CMR DB  TIME TIME 
TIME UT RV

 KF7861 7861   5* 006B  3126  1.0  0.1 0.3 0.0  0.4  0.1  0.5 41  0
 KF7661 7661   5* 006A  3125  1.0  0.0 0.3 0.0  0.4  0.1  0.5 41  0

--


 CPU=  7/  7 UIC= 65K PR=   0 System= HPAV Delta

 11:37:04 I= 0%  DEV ACTV RESP IOSQ -DELAY- PEND DISC CONN 
%D %D
 STG GRP  VOLSER NUM  PAV  LCU   RATE TIME TIME CMR DB  TIME TIME 
TIME UT RV

  KF7661 7661 1.0H 006A 0.000  0.0  0.0 0.0 0.0  0.0  0.0  0.0  0  0
--



DEVSERV display before the jobs were started:

--

IEE421I RO *ALL,DS QP,7661,VOLUM 197
WLMA RESPONSES ---
IEE459I 11.26.14 DEVSERV QPAVS 686
 HOST SUBSYSTEM
 CONFIGURATION  CONFIGURATION
---  -
 UNIT  UNITUA
 NUM. UA  TYPESTATUS SSID  ADDR.   TYPE
- --  --   --
07661 61  BASE   B760   61 BASE
  1 DEVICE(S) MET THE SELECTION CRITERIA
HPAV RESPONSES ---
IEE459I 11.26.14 DEVSERV QPAVS 196
 HOST SUBSYSTEM
 CONFIGURATION  CONFIGURATION
---  -
 UNIT  UNITUA
 NUM. UA  TYPESTATUS SSID  ADDR.   TYPE
- --  --   --
07661 61  BASE-H B760   61 BASE
  1 DEVICE(S) MET THE SELECTION CRITERIA
WLMB RESPONSES ---
IEE459I 11.26.14 DEVSERV QPAVS 843
 HOST SUBSYSTEM
 CONFIGURATION  CONFIGURATION
---  -
 UNIT  UNITUA
 NUM. UA  TYPESTATUS SSID  ADDR.   TYPE
- --  --   --
07661 61  BASE   B760   61 BASE
--



DEVSERV display about half an hour later:

--

IEE421I RO *ALL,DS QP,7861,VOLUM 388
WLMA RESPONSES ---
IEE459I 11.52.41 DEVSERV QPAVS 947
 HOST SUBSYSTEM
 CONFIGURATION  CONFIGURATION
---  -
 UNIT  UNITUA
 NUM. UA  TYPESTATUS SSID  ADDR.   TYPE
- --  --   --
07861 61  BASE   B780   61 BASE
078AB AB  ALIAS-7861 B780   AB ALIAS-61
078AC AC  ALIAS-7861 B780   AC ALIAS-61
078AD AD  ALIAS-7861 B780   AD ALIAS-61
078B7 B7  ALIAS-7861 B780   B7 ALIAS-61
  5 DEVICE(S) MET THE SELECTION CRITERIA
HPAV RESPONSES ---
IEE459I 11.52.41 DEVSERV QPAVS 387
 HOST SUBSYSTEM
 CONFIGURATION  CONFIGURATION
---  -
 UNIT  UNITUA
 NUM

Re: HYPERPAV

2008-09-18 Thread Marc Van Hoof
Thanks John,
I've been waiting for an answer like this for months.
No local IBM specialist was able to give me an answer like this.

Still one question : 
Can I also activate HyperPAV with the setios command, starting with one 
LPAR in a sysplex ?
This will convert the LCU's involved and start an unbound on the aliasses.
All other LPARS in the mentioned sysplex will stop moving the aliasses around 
because of this unbound (that's what I do understand from your answer)???
Than , after checking the LCU's, I would like to activate HyperPAV with the 
setios command for the remaining LPAR's in the mentioned sysplex. 
This is documented in IBM presentations (mixing HyperPAV and Dynamic-wlm-
PAV in a sysplex) but not mentioning the unbound alias during LCU convertion.
Manuals are not explaining wat happens during converting the LCU to 
hyperPAV.
 
I ask this because you only mention the PARMLIB procedure.Is there a 
difference ?

Do you have a simple procedure to check the convertion on the LCU's ?

Greetings ,

Marc
KBC Group Belgium
 

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Re: HYPERPAV

2008-09-18 Thread John Ticic IBM-MAIN

You can also use the SETIOS command.

Once the LCUs have been converted, the other LPARs can't move the aliases 
around. The IBM documentation states that they are ignored.


RMF will show you the LCU and HyperPAV activity. The MVS DEVSERV command : D 
M=DEV will give you information about devices. You should see HyperPAV 
devices listed here.


John


Thanks John,
I've been waiting for an answer like this for months.
No local IBM specialist was able to give me an answer like this.

Still one question :
Can I also activate HyperPAV with the setios command, starting with one
LPAR in a sysplex ?
This will convert the LCU's involved and start an unbound on the aliasses.
All other LPARS in the mentioned sysplex will stop moving the aliasses 
around

because of this unbound (that's what I do understand from your answer)???
Than , after checking the LCU's, I would like to activate HyperPAV with 
the

setios command for the remaining LPAR's in the mentioned sysplex.
This is documented in IBM presentations (mixing HyperPAV and Dynamic-wlm-
PAV in a sysplex) but not mentioning the unbound alias during LCU 
convertion.

Manuals are not explaining wat happens during converting the LCU to
hyperPAV.

I ask this because you only mention the PARMLIB procedure.Is there a
difference ?

Do you have a simple procedure to check the convertion on the LCU's ?

Greetings ,

Marc
KBC Group Belgium


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HYPERPAV

2008-09-17 Thread Marc Van Hoof
Anyone some experience with activating HyperPav in an environtment with 2 
sysplexes shareing some LCU's (both sysplexes dynamic PAV) ?
Would like to start/activate hyperpav in one sysplex with no impact to the 
other sysplex.
Today's situation is like this :
Sysplex 1 useing LCU xx HCD/IODF configuration WLMPAV=Yes
Sysplex 2 useing LCU xx HCD/IODF configuration WLMPAV=NO

Doeing this , sysplex 1 is moves the aliasses , the WLM way.
Sysplex 2 will not move the aliasses.

But what will happen when hyperpav is activated on sysplex 2.
I was told that WLMPAV=YES/NO is of no influence in a hyperpav environment.

Sysplex 2 will move de aliasses in the Hyperpav way and sysplex 1 will move 
the aliasses the WLM way  .
Will this work ? 
 

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Re: HYPERPAV

2008-09-17 Thread John Ticic IBM-MAIN
You have to activate HyperPAV usage via the IECIOSxx Parmlib member 
(HyperPAV=Yes). The LSSes used by this LPAR will be converted to HyperPAV 
LSS.
Sysplex 1 will have HyperPAV=No, and will continue to operate as before. Any 
LSS that has been converted to HyperPAV usage (by Sysplex 2) will be no 
longer have Alias addresses bound to Base addresses.


With your current setup : Sysplex 1 - Dynamic Alias management and Sysplex 
2 - Static management, Sysplex 1 is always dictating what the Alias/Base 
relationship for Sysplex 2 will be. Most likely this is not what you 
originally wanted. Much worse would be if Sysplex 2 also managed the Aliases 
dynamically!


Sysplex 2 will move de aliasses in the Hyperpav way and sysplex 1 will 
move

the aliasses the WLM way


HyperPAV aliases don't have a long term base assignment, so it is wrong to 
think of them as being moved around since they are only assigned for the 
duration of an I/O.


Once the LSS is converted, WLM can't manage the Alias/Base assignement since 
there is now an unbound pool of HyperPAV Aliases. Sharing LCUs like this is 
not a good idea.


John


Anyone some experience with activating HyperPav in an environtment with 2
sysplexes shareing some LCU's (both sysplexes dynamic PAV) ?
Would like to start/activate hyperpav in one sysplex with no impact to the
other sysplex.
Today's situation is like this :
Sysplex 1 useing LCU xx HCD/IODF configuration WLMPAV=Yes
Sysplex 2 useing LCU xx HCD/IODF configuration WLMPAV=NO

Doeing this , sysplex 1 is moves the aliasses , the WLM way.
Sysplex 2 will not move the aliasses.

But what will happen when hyperpav is activated on sysplex 2.
I was told that WLMPAV=YES/NO is of no influence in a hyperpav 
environment.


Sysplex 2 will move de aliasses in the Hyperpav way and sysplex 1 will 
move

the aliasses the WLM way  .
Will this work ?



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HyperPAV paging devices and ASM

2008-02-21 Thread Zaromil Tisler
Do ASM algorithms support two I/Os to a page data set on a HyperPAV base 
volume? If yes, are the aliases fixed, as in the case of dynamic PAV?

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HyperPAV Question

2007-11-12 Thread Tom Moulder
All

 

I found APAR OA13915 that adds support for HyperPAV to z/OS.  However, I
could not tell if there were any other changes required for HyperPAV use.
If you are using HyperPAV, could you tell me if there are any other changes
in addition to the installation of the APAR?

 

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Re: HyperPAV Question

2007-11-12 Thread Traylor, Terry
Yes.  IECIOSxx would need HYPERPAV=YES and the storage subsystem would
also have to be licensed for it as well. 


Terry Traylor
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All

 

I found APAR OA13915 that adds support for HyperPAV to z/OS.  However, I
could not tell if there were any other changes required for HyperPAV
use.
If you are using HyperPAV, could you tell me if there are any other
changes in addition to the installation of the APAR?

 

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Re: HyperPAV Question

2007-11-12 Thread Scott Barry
You will want to investigate RMF APAR OA21799 for an SMF 78/3 data issue, per a 
recent MXG-L
posting.

Also, for consideration:  MXG V25.07; CA MICS RMF support, apply PTF RMF6792; 
IBM/Tivoli TDS
(tolerance) support is PK30845, where applicable.

Sincerely,

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All

I found APAR OA13915 that adds support for HyperPAV to z/OS.  However, I
could not tell if there were any other changes required for HyperPAV
use.
If you are using HyperPAV, could you tell me if there are any other
changes in addition to the installation of the APAR?

 

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HyperPAV devices (was: PLPA and COMMON PAGESPACE Size)

2007-09-21 Thread TISLER Zaromil

Jim Mulder wrote:

snip 
 It checks to see 
 if you specified WLM PAV when you defined the device in HCD.  Since
 WLM doesn't need to manage PAVs when the control unit has been told
 to use HyperPAV mode, our intention was that the specification of
 WLM PAV in HCD would be irrelevant for HyperPAV devices
snip

Well, that would be irrelevant thing brings me to the following question:

If we want to migrate from PAV to HyperPAV, do we need to change the device 
definitions in the IODF from
 WLMPAV YesDevice supports work load manager
to
 WLMPAV No Device supports work load manager

and our WLM policy from
 Dynamic alias management . . . . . . . . YES  (Yes or No)
to 
 Dynamic alias management . . . . . . . . NO  (Yes or No)?

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Re: HyperPAV

2007-01-26 Thread Patrick Lyon
On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 14:04:11 -0500, Knutson, Sam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

The combination of the relief provided by z9  z/OS R7 to use the second
subchannel set and now HyperPAV has delivered some serious relief for
the 64K device limitation.   Kudo's to the wizards in IBM!



IBM System Storage DS8000 series (machine type 2107) delivers HyperPAV

http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/1/897/ENUS106-811/ENUS106-811.PDF

Parallel Access Volumes (PAV) enables a single System z server to
simultaneously process multiple I/O
operations to the same logical volume, which can help to significantly
reduce device queue delays. This is
achieved by defining multiple addresses per volume. Dynamic PAV allows
the assignment of addresses to
volumes and can be automatically managed to help meet performance
objectives and reduce overall queuing.
Today's announcement allows many DS8000 series users to benefit from
enhancements to PAV with support for
HyperPAV. HyperPAV allows an alias address to be used to access any base
on the same control unit image per I/O
base. This capability also allows different HyperPAV hosts to use one
alias to access different bases, which
reduces the number of alias addresses required to support a set of bases
in a System z environment with no
latency in targeting an alias to a base. This functionality is also
designed to enable applications to achieve equal
or better performance than possible with the original PAV feature alone
while also using the same or fewer z/OS
resources.

HyperPAV is an optional feature on the DS8000 series.



Best Regards,

Sam Knutson, GEICO


Does anyone know if EMC has duplicated this technology?

TIA,
Patrick Lyon

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Re: HyperPAV

2006-11-02 Thread Bruce Black


Kudo's to the wizards in IBM!  
We work with some of the IBM wizards, especially in the IOS area, and 
most of them do deserve the title!


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HyperPAV

2006-10-31 Thread Knutson, Sam
The combination of the relief provided by z9  z/OS R7 to use the second
subchannel set and now HyperPAV has delivered some serious relief for
the 64K device limitation.   Kudo's to the wizards in IBM!  



IBM System Storage DS8000 series (machine type 2107) delivers HyperPAV

http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/1/897/ENUS106-811/ENUS106-811.PDF

Parallel Access Volumes (PAV) enables a single System z server to
simultaneously process multiple I/O
operations to the same logical volume, which can help to significantly
reduce device queue delays. This is
achieved by defining multiple addresses per volume. Dynamic PAV allows
the assignment of addresses to
volumes and can be automatically managed to help meet performance
objectives and reduce overall queuing.
Today's announcement allows many DS8000 series users to benefit from
enhancements to PAV with support for
HyperPAV. HyperPAV allows an alias address to be used to access any base
on the same control unit image per I/O
base. This capability also allows different HyperPAV hosts to use one
alias to access different bases, which
reduces the number of alias addresses required to support a set of bases
in a System z environment with no
latency in targeting an alias to a base. This functionality is also
designed to enable applications to achieve equal
or better performance than possible with the original PAV feature alone
while also using the same or fewer z/OS
resources.

HyperPAV is an optional feature on the DS8000 series.



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Re: HyperPAV

2006-10-31 Thread Jeffrey Deaver
HyperPAV allows an alias address
to be used to access any base on
the same control unit image per
I/O base.

So does that takes the dynamic alias assignments by WLM out of the picture?
Are the alias to base assignments (if that is still a valid relationship
description) really just one to many at this point then?  No 'switching'
required?

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Re: HyperPAV

2006-10-31 Thread Frank Krueger
Jeffrey

yes - with HYPERPAV WLM does no longer care .
You can switch between HYPERPAV and WLM Managed PAV
with the SETIOS Keyword.

Still there is the alias pool per LCU - but when an IO
is started , IOS decides which alias will be taken .

Subsystem is aware of who issued the IO (which Lpar) -
so the same alias adress may be used for different base
adresses at the same time by different LPARs.

Frank Krueger



Dienstag, 31. Oktober 2006 20:28
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Subject: Re: HyperPAV


So does that takes the dynamic alias assignments by WLM out of the picture?
Are the alias to base assignments (if that is still a valid relationship
description) really just one to many at this point then?  No 'switching'
required?

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Re: HyperPAV

2006-10-31 Thread Mark Zelden
On Tue, 31 Oct 2006 20:39:00 +0100, Frank Krueger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

Jeffrey

yes - with HYPERPAV WLM does no longer care .
You can switch between HYPERPAV and WLM Managed PAV
with the SETIOS Keyword.

Still there is the alias pool per LCU - but when an IO
is started , IOS decides which alias will be taken .

Subsystem is aware of who issued the IO (which Lpar) -
so the same alias adress may be used for different base
adresses at the same time by different LPARs.

Frank Krueger


This also sounds like it will be okay to use HYPERPAV aliases
between sysplexes (with shared DASD of course) where as WLM
Managed PAVs between sysplexes could lead to PAV thrashing.

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Re: HyperPAV

2006-10-31 Thread Frank Krueger
correct.

Frank Krueger



Dienstag, 31. Oktober 2006 21:03
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This also sounds like it will be okay to use HYPERPAV aliases
between sysplexes (with shared DASD of course) where as WLM
Managed PAVs between sysplexes could lead to PAV thrashing.

Mark
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