Re: IT versus the in-flight magazine

2012-05-09 Thread Steve Dover
Rex, I know an ex-CIO who would not do anything unless she heard it from 
Gartner.  Notice I say 'EX-cio.  She was all set to kill off the mainframe 
because said mainframe is dying.  10 years later, mainframe still running as 
strong as ever.

On Tue, 8 May 2012 14:11:52 -0500, Rex Pommier rex.pomm...@cnasurety.com 
wrote:

Interesting read, but Mr Lewis has obviously never worked at any of the sites 
I have worked at (and I'm guessing many of my fellow mainframers on the list). 
 I know many people over the years who have tried unsuccessfully to get the 
ears of upper management, and they take the comments made in the airline 
magazines as gospel while ignoring internal staff.  I think they use the 
thoughts that these people have been published so they must be right!  I 
can't tell you how many times we've told management to go down a certain path, 
and they ignore us until Charlie the tuner shows up as a consultant (from a 
minimum of 50 miles away and $300 per hour wages) shows up and tells them the 
exact thing we've already tried to tell them.  Then suddenly this is the best 
thing since sliced bread!

OTOH, we've all also been in the situation where some hare-brained scheme 
comes down the pipe from either the afore-mentioned Charlie or the airline 
mag, and we've tried to talk mgmt into not following the consultant's 
half-baked advice, only to be ignored, and then having had to pick up the 
pieces and try to make the scheme work.

Mind you, I'm not bashing all consultants and contractors, but Mr Lewis trying 
to place the blame all on the staff when mgmt conveniently ignores us  (the 
very people they are paying to know these things) and placing so much emphasis 
on the airline magazine is misguided at best.

My $.02.

Rex

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IT versus the in-flight magazine

2012-05-08 Thread Kirk Talman
http colon 
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Re: IT versus the in-flight magazine

2012-05-08 Thread Steve Comstock

On 5/8/2012 11:55 AM, Kirk Talman wrote:

http colon
//www.infoworld.com/t/it-strategy/it-versus-the-in-flight-magazine-192066



Oooh! I like it! Thanks, Kirk.



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Re: IT versus the in-flight magazine

2012-05-08 Thread Rex Pommier
Interesting read, but Mr Lewis has obviously never worked at any of the sites I 
have worked at (and I'm guessing many of my fellow mainframers on the list).  I 
know many people over the years who have tried unsuccessfully to get the ears 
of upper management, and they take the comments made in the airline magazines 
as gospel while ignoring internal staff.  I think they use the thoughts that 
these people have been published so they must be right!  I can't tell you how 
many times we've told management to go down a certain path, and they ignore us 
until Charlie the tuner shows up as a consultant (from a minimum of 50 miles 
away and $300 per hour wages) shows up and tells them the exact thing we've 
already tried to tell them.  Then suddenly this is the best thing since sliced 
bread!

OTOH, we've all also been in the situation where some hare-brained scheme comes 
down the pipe from either the afore-mentioned Charlie or the airline mag, and 
we've tried to talk mgmt into not following the consultant's half-baked advice, 
only to be ignored, and then having had to pick up the pieces and try to make 
the scheme work.  

Mind you, I'm not bashing all consultants and contractors, but Mr Lewis trying 
to place the blame all on the staff when mgmt conveniently ignores us  (the 
very people they are paying to know these things) and placing so much emphasis 
on the airline magazine is misguided at best.

My $.02.

Rex

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Re: IT versus the in-flight magazine

2012-05-08 Thread McKown, John
We've all been there. Before we were acquired some time ago, we had basically 
the owner (who was a multimillionare and quite smart, actually) who would make 
some major decisions based, as best as we could tell, simply on talking to 
someone in First Class about what they were considering or had heard was the 
new thing. The man was very good, started many companies, and make jobs for 
thousands. But could still try to fly by the seat of his pants.

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 Interesting read, but Mr Lewis has obviously never worked at 
 any of the sites I have worked at (and I'm guessing many of 
 my fellow mainframers on the list).  I know many people over 
 the years who have tried unsuccessfully to get the ears of 
 upper management, and they take the comments made in the 
 airline magazines as gospel while ignoring internal staff.  I 
 think they use the thoughts that these people have been 
 published so they must be right!  I can't tell you how many 
 times we've told management to go down a certain path, and 
 they ignore us until Charlie the tuner shows up as a 
 consultant (from a minimum of 50 miles away and $300 per hour 
 wages) shows up and tells them the exact thing we've already 
 tried to tell them.  Then suddenly this is the best thing 
 since sliced bread!
 
 OTOH, we've all also been in the situation where some 
 hare-brained scheme comes down the pipe from either the 
 afore-mentioned Charlie or the airline mag, and we've tried 
 to talk mgmt into not following the consultant's half-baked 
 advice, only to be ignored, and then having had to pick up 
 the pieces and try to make the scheme work.  
 
 Mind you, I'm not bashing all consultants and contractors, 
 but Mr Lewis trying to place the blame all on the staff when 
 mgmt conveniently ignores us  (the very people they are 
 paying to know these things) and placing so much emphasis on 
 the airline magazine is misguided at best.
 
 My $.02.
 
 Rex
 
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