Re: Justice Department probing allegations of abuse by IBM in mainframe computer market
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers as well. Peter Flass peter_fl...@yahoo.com writes: I'd say I'm sure IBM knows what they're doing, but based on what I've heard about how the company makes decisions, I doubt it. It seems to me that IBM has a lot to gain and not much to lose by encouraging companies to support z/OS on smaller boxes. It's a market they don't sell to, so there are probably very few lost sales. Letting developers have cheaper systems can only encourage developers. Last but not least, letting small customers buy into mainframes cheaply will probably encourage them to stick with IBM as they grow. Probably some suit in mainframe marketing is afraid he might lose one or two sales, and he's not looking at what's good for all of IBM in the long term. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009o.html#29 Justice Department probing allegations of abuse by IBM in mainframe computer market but some of it goes back to the earlier litigation days and clone processors. somewhat as result of previous litigation, there was the 23jun69 unbundling announcement with starting to charge for software and services; however the justification was made that kernel software would still be free. http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#unbundle recent posts with references to Future System effort: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009o.html#4 Broken Brancher http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009o.html#10 Microprocessors with Definable MIcrocode http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009o.html#11 Microprocessors with Definable MIcrocode http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009o.html#12 Calling ::routines in oorexx 4.0 http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009o.html#14 Microprocessors with Definable MIcrocode this reference talks about major motivation for FS being clone controllers. http://www.ecole.org/Crisis_and_change_1995_1.htm from above: IBM tried to react by launching a major project called the 'Future System' (FS) in the early 1970's. The idea was to get so far ahead that the competition would never be able to keep up, and to have such a high level of integration that it would be impossible for competitors to follow a compatible niche strategy. However, the project failed because the objectives were too ambitious for the available technology. Many of the ideas that were developed were nevertheless adapted for later generations. Once IBM had acknowledged this failure, it launched its 'box strategy', which called for competitiveness with all the different types of compatible sub-systems. But this proved to be difficult because of IBM's cost structure and its RD spending, and the strategy only resulted in a partial narrowing of the price gap between IBM and its rivals. ... snip ... this reference (from Morris Fergus book) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001f.html#33 IBM's VM for the PC c.1984?? makes references to the distraction of FS (which was going to completely replace 360/370) and allowing 370 hardware software product pipeline to go dry ... contributed significantly to allowing clone processors to gain foothold in the market place (also that the damage of FS failure resulted in the old culture under Watsons being replaced with sycophancy and make no waves under Opel and Akers). http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#futuresys With the rise of clone processors, there was change in decision to not charge for kernel software ... and my (about to be released) resource manager was selected for guinea pig ... i got to spend 6 months off on with business planning people lawyers working on policies for kernel software charging (this was made more complex during the couple years of transition when there were parts of kernel that were free and parts that weren't free and possibly complex dependency between free and not free kernel software). Besides the change to charging for kernel software (because of rise of clone processors), the later OCO (object code only) decision was possibly another outcome. As to clone controllers ... back as undergraduate in the 60s ... I had to add ascii/tty terminal support to cp67. I tried to do it in such a way that it extended the automatic terminal recognition already in place for 2741 1052. It turned out that I tried to make the 2702 controller do something that it couldn't quite do. This was part of the motivation for the univ. to launch a clone controller project ... reverse engineer the channel interface, build channel interface board for Interdata/3 and program the Interdata/3 to emulate 2702. There was later article blaming four of us for clone controller business. http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#360pcm Perkin-Elmer acquired Interdata and the box was sold during much of the 70s 80s under the Perkin-Elmer name. Even in the later 90s, I ran into the boxes at major financial transaction processor datacenter (that was handling large percentage of the
Re: Justice Department probing allegations of abuse by IBM in mainframe computer market
Yup, in the same vein, when was the last time you fired up HP-UX on your MAC (or mainframe), or AIX on your SUN box? Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of P S Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 6:42 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Justice Department probing allegations of abuse by IBM in mainframe computer market On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote: That has nothing to do with whether IBM's licensing policies violated antitrust laws. The fact remains that IBM refuses to license, e.g., z/OS, on competitive systems. Um. Doh? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Justice Department probing allegations of abuse by IBM in mainframe computer market
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers as well. Anne Lynn Wheeler l...@garlic.com writes: With the rise of clone processors, there was change in decision to not charge for kernel software ... and my (about to be released) resource manager was selected for guinea pig ... i got to spend 6 months off on with business planning people lawyers working on policies for kernel software charging (this was made more complex during the couple years of transition when there were parts of kernel that were free and parts that weren't free and possibly complex dependency between free and not free kernel software). Besides the change to charging for kernel software (because of rise of clone processors), the later OCO (object code only) decision was possibly another outcome. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009o.html#29 Justice Department probing allegations of abuse by IBM in mainframe computer market http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009o.html#31 Justice Department probing allegations of abuse by IBM in mainframe computer market one of my hobbies was doing distributions of highly enhanced operating systems for internal locations. one of the long-term customers was the HONE system ... providing world-wide online salesmarketing support (by mid-70s, mainframe orders couldn't even be submitted w/o having beeing processed by HONE applications) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hone so in parallel with resource manager and bunch of other stuff ... I was also involved in SMP ... and kernels support SMP ... a couple recent posts http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009o.html#10 Microprocessors with Definable Microcode http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009o.html#14 Microprocessors with Definable Microcode http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2009o.html#17 Broken hardware was Re: Broken Brancher large number of HONE applications were implemented in APL and as a result HONE was quite CPU intensive. One of first production places for the (standard 370) SMP support was consolidated US HONE datacenter (part of one of my internal releases). I've commented before ... that in the late 70s, The consolidated US hone datacenter was a cluster (loosely-couple) of SMPs ... possibly the large single-system image operation in the world at the time. Now, I had crammed a bunch of stuff into the resource manager product ... that wasn't strictly related to dynamic adaptive resource management (in fact nearly 90 percent of the code). Now one of the issues in starting to charge for kernel software ... was 1) initial kernel software to be charge for wouldn't even direct hardware support, 2) kernel software that was directly required to support hardware would still be free, and 3) free kernel software couldn't have as a prerequisite charge for software in order to work. So the way that SMP hardware support was implemented ... required a bunch of stuff that I had already released in the (charged for) resource manager product ... so when the decision was made to release the SMP support ... there was a problem with requiring the charged for resource manager in order for SMP support to work (which was violation of the policies for charged for software). The resolution was to move 90% of the lines of code out of the charged for resource manager ... into the free non-charged for kernel software ... allowing for SMP software support to ship w/o having a dependency on charged for software (the price charged for the new resource manager stayed the same ... even tho it was only about 10% of the lines-of-code). -- 40+yrs virtualization experience (since Jan68), online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Justice Department probing allegations of abuse by IBM in mainframe computer market
http://www.courthousenews.com/2009/10/09/Judge_Tosses_Antitrust_Lawsuit_Against_IBM.htm is interesting (even if it does confuse the hardware and the software); perhaps most interesting is the link at the end, to http://www.courthousenews.com/2009/10/09/IBM.pdf . This includes some discussion of what does and does not constitute anti-trust-worthy (pun intended) action, and is well worth reading for the amatuer lawyers among us. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Justice Department probing allegations of abuse by IBM in mainframe computer market
In c648d10634943c4891f7085d0dad806b579d6...@usmbx06.aafes.com, on 10/08/2009 at 10:07 AM, Elliot, David elli...@aafes.com said: They'll be discovering steam next. Of course IBM is being unfair to its competitors. That's what being dominant means. No, that's not what it means. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Justice Department probing allegations of abuse by IBM in mainframe computer market
In 67954f200910081418h3f651d01qf2ecacd40da6d...@mail.gmail.com, on 10/08/2009 at 05:18 PM, P S zosw...@gmail.com said: Sure, but FLEX-ES was fallout from PSI. That has nothing to do with whether IBM's licensing policies violated antitrust laws. The fact remains that IBM refuses to license, e.g., z/OS, on competitive systems. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Justice Department probing allegations of abuse by IBM in mainframe computer market
In 4ace5273.5020...@ync.net, on 10/08/2009 at 03:58 PM, Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net said: IIRC, none of IBM's competitors in the mainframe market offer a 64-bit machine. What's unfair about providing something your competitors don't?? Why are you beating your wife? You're defending IBM against a claim that nobody has made and ignoring the actual allegations. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Justice Department probing allegations of abuse by IBM in mainframe computer market
The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers as well. shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net (Shmuel Metz , Seymour J.) writes: That has nothing to do with whether IBM's licensing policies violated antitrust laws. The fact remains that IBM refuses to license, e.g., z/OS, on competitive systems. major production platform that FLEX sold on was Sequent ... and then IBM bought Sequent ... and then stopped selling Sequent boxes. FLEX had sold some on Compaq (later HP) ... but that seemed to be more for test/development. Before IBM bought Sequent, we did some consulting for Chen when he was CTO at Sequent http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequent_Computer_Systems Sequent FLEX looked at providing FLEX on an Itanium-based Sequent box ... but Itanium then had performance issues and delays. we had gotten involved with SCI effort before leaving IBM and then spent some time with various places doing SCI efforts ... including Sequent http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalable_Coherent_Interface above mentions DG AViiON and Sun using SCI as well as Sequent. There was also SGI and Convex. DG Sequent was 64 four (intel) processor boards interconnected with SCI (256 Intel processors ). Convex (Exemplar) was 64 two (HP RISC) processor boards interconnection with SCI (128 HP RISC processors). Much earlier Chen had been at Cray computers and was credited with the XMP. He then left and formed his own supercomputer company ... with lots of funding from IBM (which was eventually acquired by Sequent): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Chen_%28computer_engineer%29 Sequent ran both NT and Dynix (their enhanced UNIX) system on their pre-NumaQ intel processor SMPs. The Sequent people in that period claimed to have done much of the NT SMP scale-up parallelization work. -- 40+yrs virtualization experience (since Jan68), online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Justice Department probing allegations of abuse by IBM in mainframe computer market
On Fri, Oct 9, 2009 at 6:15 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote: That has nothing to do with whether IBM's licensing policies violated antitrust laws. The fact remains that IBM refuses to license, e.g., z/OS, on competitive systems. Um. Doh? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Justice Department probing allegations of abuse by IBM in mainframe computer market
They'll be discovering steam next. Of course IBM is being unfair to its competitors. That's what being dominant means. David Elliot zSeries Software Support -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 12:39 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Justice Department probing allegations of abuse by IBM in mainframe computer market http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Justice-Dept-probing-IBMs-apf-3247734019.html?x=0sec=topStoriespos=4asset=ccode= -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Justice Department probing allegations of abuse by IBM in mainframe computer market
A emulating JD probing themselves ... Gov. nothing else better to do with your tax money .. LOL From: Elliot, David elli...@aafes.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 10/08/2009 10:07 AM Subject: Re: Justice Department probing allegations of abuse by IBM in mainframe computer market Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu They'll be discovering steam next. Of course IBM is being unfair to its competitors. That's what being dominant means. David Elliot zSeries Software Support -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 12:39 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Justice Department probing allegations of abuse by IBM in mainframe computer market http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Justice-Dept-probing-IBMs-apf-3247734019.html?x=0sec=topStoriespos=4asset=ccode= -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Email Disclaimer This E-mail contains confidential information belonging to the sender, which may be legally privileged information. This information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity addressed above. If you are not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of the E-mail or attached files is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Justice Department probing allegations of abuse by IBM in mainframe computer market
Creating an appearance of 'doing something is always more important than actually doing something. The PFC who walked around the compound with a clipboard in hand escaped many s**t details because he was obviously doing something already. -jc- -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ron Wells Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 10:16 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Justice Department probing allegations of abuse by IBM in mainframe computer market A emulating JD probing themselves ... Gov. nothing else better to do with your tax money .. LOL From: Elliot, David elli...@aafes.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 10/08/2009 10:07 AM Subject: Re: Justice Department probing allegations of abuse by IBM in mainframe computer market Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu They'll be discovering steam next. Of course IBM is being unfair to its competitors. That's what being dominant means. David Elliot zSeries Software Support -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 12:39 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Justice Department probing allegations of abuse by IBM in mainframe computer market http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Justice-Dept-probing-IBMs-apf- 3247734019.html?x=0sec=topStoriespos=4asset=ccode= -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Email Disclaimer This E-mail contains confidential information belonging to the sender, which may be legally privileged information. This information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity addressed above. If you are not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of the E-mail or attached files is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Justice Department probing allegations of abuse by IBM in mainframe computer market
On Thu, 2009-10-08 at 11:07 -0400, Elliot, David wrote: Of course IBM is being unfair to its competitors. That's what being dominant means. Um, no. A competitor may dominate because s/he has a better product, provides better services, provides a better price-point... OR has some advantage. Unfair advantages are actionable. -- David Andrews A. Duda and Sons, Inc. david.andr...@duda.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Justice Department probing allegations of abuse by IBM in mainframe computer market
snip- Creating an appearance of 'doing something is always more important than actually doing something. The PFC who walked around the compound with a clipboard in hand escaped many s**t details because he was obviously doing something already. --unsnip--- Like me in the Army; walking around with a coil of rope over my shoulder so the sergeant would think I was already busy on some mickey-mouse detail. :-) Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Justice Department probing allegations of abuse by IBM in mainframe computer market
---snip-- Um, no. A competitor may dominate because s/he has a better product, provides better services, provides a better price-point... OR has some advantage. Unfair advantages are actionable. ---unsnip IIRC, none of IBM's competitors in the mainframe market offer a 64-bit machine. What's unfair about providing something your competitors don't?? Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Justice Department probing allegations of abuse by IBM in mainframe computer market
Rick... totally agree .. politics getting involved again ... someone wants something ... $$ From: Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 10/08/2009 03:58 PM Subject: Re: Justice Department probing allegations of abuse by IBM in mainframe computer market Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu ---snip-- Um, no. A competitor may dominate because s/he has a better product, provides better services, provides a better price-point... OR has some advantage. Unfair advantages are actionable. ---unsnip IIRC, none of IBM's competitors in the mainframe market offer a 64-bit machine. What's unfair about providing something your competitors don't?? Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Email Disclaimer This E-mail contains confidential information belonging to the sender, which may be legally privileged information. This information is intended only for the use of the individual or entity addressed above. If you are not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of the E-mail or attached files is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Justice Department probing allegations of abuse by IBM in mainframe computer market
Did you ever hear of FLEX-ES? They provided a 64-bit machine that IBM would not let them license to production installations. They could license it to developers until IBM decided to not license the patents to them, so even the developers were cut off. Chuck Arney illustro Systems International, LLC http://www.illustro.com Internet-enable your applications with z/Ware V2 Voice: 214-800-8900 X#5562 -- This e-mail is private and may be confidential and is for the intended recipient only. If misdirected, please notify us by telephone and confirm that it has been deleted from your system and any copies destroyed. If you are not the intended recipient you are strictly prohibited from using, printing, copying, distributing or disseminating this e-mail or any information contained in it. We use reasonable measures to virus scan all E-mails leaving illustro but no warranty is given that this E-mail and any attachments are virus free. You should ensure you have adequate measures in place for your own virus checking. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 3:58 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Justice Department probing allegations of abuse by IBM in mainframe computer market IIRC, none of IBM's competitors in the mainframe market offer a 64-bit machine. What's unfair about providing something your competitors don't?? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Justice Department probing allegations of abuse by IBM in mainframe computer market
P S wrote: On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Chuck Arney car...@illustro.com wrote: Did you ever hear of FLEX-ES? They provided a 64-bit machine that IBM would not let them license to production installations. They could license it to developers until IBM decided to not license the patents to them, so even the developers were cut off. Sure, but FLEX-ES was fallout from PSI. See http://www.google.com/url?q=http://zjournal.tcipubs.com/issues/zJ.DEC-JAN09.pdfei=m1bOSoPZJaW_twfGzeTzAwsa=Xoi=spellmeleon_resultresnum=2ct=resultusg=AFQjCNHRdgrZ_MV2LtveLUqiF5VtJV2dtA and http://www.zjournal.com/index.cfm?section=articleaid=773 Yup. And, IBM was the bad guy in both cases. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Justice Department probing allegations of abuse by IBM in mainframe computer market
So you may be lead to believe. In the end it makes no difference. It's still another 64-bit competitor squished. Chuck Arney illustro Systems International, LLC http://www.illustro.com Internet-enable your applications with z/Ware V2 Voice: 214-800-8900 X#5562 -- This e-mail is private and may be confidential and is for the intended recipient only. If misdirected, please notify us by telephone and confirm that it has been deleted from your system and any copies destroyed. If you are not the intended recipient you are strictly prohibited from using, printing, copying, distributing or disseminating this e-mail or any information contained in it. We use reasonable measures to virus scan all E-mails leaving illustro but no warranty is given that this E-mail and any attachments are virus free. You should ensure you have adequate measures in place for your own virus checking. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of P S Sent: Thursday, October 08, 2009 4:19 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Justice Department probing allegations of abuse by IBM in mainframe computer market Sure, but FLEX-ES was fallout from PSI. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Justice Department probing allegations of abuse by IBM in mainframe computer market
On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Chuck Arney car...@illustro.com wrote: Did you ever hear of FLEX-ES? They provided a 64-bit machine that IBM would not let them license to production installations. They could license it to developers until IBM decided to not license the patents to them, so even the developers were cut off. Sure, but FLEX-ES was fallout from PSI. See http://www.google.com/url?q=http://zjournal.tcipubs.com/issues/zJ.DEC-JAN09.pdfei=m1bOSoPZJaW_twfGzeTzAwsa=Xoi=spellmeleon_resultresnum=2ct=resultusg=AFQjCNHRdgrZ_MV2LtveLUqiF5VtJV2dtA and http://www.zjournal.com/index.cfm?section=articleaid=773 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Justice Department probing allegations of abuse by IBM in mainframe computer market
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