Re: Leap frog from z/OS 1.7 to z/OS 1.11
I highlighted this alternate site mainly due to Marna's excellent per release presentations as a very good source for changes to be wary of. You would need to review each presentation from the oldest to z/OS 1.11 to get the required picture. There are additional items there which may also assist in the required preparations. On Sat, 12 Jun 2010 09:22:18 +1000, Shane Ginnane ibm- m...@tpg.com.au wrote: Bruce is big enough to answer for himself, but I read that as a response to my post about Marnas presentations. They are also on the IBM site along with audio of her presenting the same. Shane ... On Sat, Jun 12th, 2010 at 5:42 AM, Edward Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com wrote: Bruce Hewson wrote: Or even go to the IBM Education Assistant site for same presentations Just curious. Which presentations on the IBM Education Assistant site can be used to perform unsupported migrations? Can you provide URLs and/or titles? Regards Bruce Hewson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Leap frog from z/OS 1.7 to z/OS 1.11
Hi, Sorry I didn't see this sooner, I was at a client site, who strangely enough, was also converting from 1.7 to 1.11. I don't normally have (or want) to go to a site to do the upgrade, but in this case there were some extenuating circumstances that made it logical to be there in person. The location wasn't a hardship in any way, but in this particular case not only were they upgrading the OS, but the hardware (computer/DASD/TAPES, etc) was changed, and the computer center site itself was moved, so a lot of pre-planning had to be done to make sure it all came off without a hitch. In general, I don't normally suggest clients migrate and move at the same time, but as I said, this was a VERY special case. Anyway, it was a non-event. The total outage for the users was about 5 seconds and even that could have been avoided, which was good for the client, but I did have to deal with IBM and another hardware vendor in person, (I'm friendlier via email with hardware people, but sometimes they just didn't listen or head the original email suggestions), but they came around fairly quickly. Depending on your installed software and the hardware you are using, the conversion can be VERY simple or can have a couple small snags, but nothing that you won't hit even if you did it the IBM supported way (i.e. two jumps). You don't have to worry about sharing dasd (if you don't have GRS or MIM then be VERY careful and control it completely). You can (and should) share catalogs, and you can use the same RACF database. You can share the spool, but I ALWAYS advise against it, instead use NJE if you need (near) instant access, or offload if you don't. If you are currently in a plex and are thinking about migrating the plex as a single unit you can forget about it right now, as that isn't a good idea. How you handle a plex is a bit too complicated to discuss here (especially when it might not even apply), but if you are currently running a plex, then this will be a good chance for you to get some skills in generating a new one, (and you can correct old issues at the same time). You didn't say if you were running CICS, IMS, DB/2 or some other database, but they too may need to be addressed, depending on where you are starting and stopping with respect to those subsystems. There are also a lot of new features that you can take advantage of (depending on your hardware), but in some cases you have to weigh the advantages of a quick conversion with the advantages of some of the new features and decide if including them in your conversion is a good idea or not. You can contact me offline if you have questions or want to talk about the specifics of your site, (or you can post them here if you really want to, but I wouldn't normally suggest that). Brian Westerman -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Leap frog from z/OS 1.7 to z/OS 1.11
Or even go to the IBM Education Assistant site for same presentations Bruce Hewson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Leap frog from z/OS 1.7 to z/OS 1.11
Bruce Hewson wrote: Or even go to the IBM Education Assistant site for same presentations Just curious. Which presentations on the IBM Education Assistant site can be used to perform unsupported migrations? Can you provide URLs and/or titles? -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Leap frog from z/OS 1.7 to z/OS 1.11
Hi, Edward, I think that, several posts back, someone missed the point that this was an unsupported upgrade from 1.7 to 1.11 and offered advice for doing the normal upgrade. Take care, Greg -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 12:43 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Leap frog from z/OS 1.7 to z/OS 1.11 Bruce Hewson wrote: Or even go to the IBM Education Assistant site for same presentations Just curious. Which presentations on the IBM Education Assistant site can be used to perform unsupported migrations? Can you provide URLs and/or titles? -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html This email message and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is proprietary to US Foodservice, Inc and/or its subsidiaries or otherwise confidential or legally privileged. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender by reply, and delete all copies of this message and any attachments. If you are the intended recipient you may use the information contained in this message and any files attached to this message only as authorized by US Foodservice. Files attached to this message may only be transmitted using secure systems and appropriate means of encryption, and must be secured using the same level password and security protection with which the file was provided to you. Any unauthorized use, dissemination or disclosure of this message or it's attachments is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Leap frog from z/OS 1.7 to z/OS 1.11
Bruce is big enough to answer for himself, but I read that as a response to my post about Marnas presentations. They are also on the IBM site along with audio of her presenting the same. Shane ... On Sat, Jun 12th, 2010 at 5:42 AM, Edward Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com wrote: Bruce Hewson wrote: Or even go to the IBM Education Assistant site for same presentations Just curious. Which presentations on the IBM Education Assistant site can be used to perform unsupported migrations? Can you provide URLs and/or titles? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Leap frog from z/OS 1.7 to z/OS 1.11
Has anyone here done the jump from z/OS 1.7 to z/OS 1.11 without going through 1.9 first? If so, can you tell me any specific gotchas that you came across? Thank you, Greg This email message and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is proprietary to US Foodservice, Inc and/or its subsidiaries or otherwise confidential or legally privileged. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender by reply, and delete all copies of this message and any attachments. If you are the intended recipient you may use the information contained in this message and any files attached to this message only as authorized by US Foodservice. Files attached to this message may only be transmitted using secure systems and appropriate means of encryption, and must be secured using the same level password and security protection with which the file was provided to you. Any unauthorized use, dissemination or disclosure of this message or it's attachments is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Leap frog from z/OS 1.7 to z/OS 1.11
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Schmeelk, Gregory Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:44 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Leap frog from z/OS 1.7 to z/OS 1.11 Has anyone here done the jump from z/OS 1.7 to z/OS 1.11 without going throu= gh 1.9 first? If so, can you tell me any specific gotchas that you came a= cross? SNIPPAGE This just came up on CICS-L in a matter of speaking. CSA KEY8 GETMAIN will probably fail. You will need to make sure that you either have all software using CSA upgraded, or you will need to set the system to allow it. Storage Management Change Storage may be allocated differently (depending on PARMLIB settings). With the new method, Storage now is gotten at the bottom of a page (rather than top) and moves up (which prevents some fragmentation of storage). This means that a GETMAIN may have part of the storage in an existing page with the rest in a subsequent page. So your storage won't be properly initialized. There is an option to cause z/OS to use the old storage management rather than the new storage management. Those are just two items to watch for. Regards, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Leap frog from z/OS 1.7 to z/OS 1.11
You might consider mitigating the risk by getting assistance from one of the folks who specialize in unsupported upgrades. We have never needed to do this upgrading every year but Brian Westerman and Syzygy are well recognized around here as subject matter experts in this space. http://syzygyinc.net/contactus.aspx There are other consultants who could help as well. Best Regards, Sam Knutson, GEICO System z HW/SW/Automation Team Leader mailto:sknut...@geico.com (office) 301.986.3574 (cell) 301.996.1318 Think big, act bold, start simple, grow fast... -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Schmeelk, Gregory Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 1:44 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Leap frog from z/OS 1.7 to z/OS 1.11 Has anyone here done the jump from z/OS 1.7 to z/OS 1.11 without going through 1.9 first? If so, can you tell me any specific gotchas that you came across? Thank you, Greg This email/fax message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution of this email/fax is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy all paper and electronic copies of the original message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Leap frog from z/OS 1.7 to z/OS 1.11
In a message dated 6/10/2010 2:16:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, gregory.schme...@usfood.com writes: This decision was made prior to my involvement and I am gathering data to make shed light and make sure that, if this decision is stuck to, at least everyone is going into it with their eyes open. Might want to hit the Archives too. Mary Anne @PSU had bad experiences...while others reported not worse that usual. A lot depends on 3rd party footprint and user written code. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Leap frog from z/OS 1.7 to z/OS 1.11
Thank you, Steve, This decision was made prior to my involvement and I am gathering data to make shed light and make sure that, if this decision is stuck to, at least everyone is going into it with their eyes open. I am hoping that it will be re-thought, but I will march to whatever drum is decided upon. This information will be very helpful. Take care, Greg -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Thompson, Steve Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:02 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Leap frog from z/OS 1.7 to z/OS 1.11 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Schmeelk, Gregory Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:44 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Leap frog from z/OS 1.7 to z/OS 1.11 Has anyone here done the jump from z/OS 1.7 to z/OS 1.11 without going throu= gh 1.9 first? If so, can you tell me any specific gotchas that you came a= cross? SNIPPAGE This just came up on CICS-L in a matter of speaking. CSA KEY8 GETMAIN will probably fail. You will need to make sure that you either have all software using CSA upgraded, or you will need to set the system to allow it. Storage Management Change Storage may be allocated differently (depending on PARMLIB settings). With the new method, Storage now is gotten at the bottom of a page (rather than top) and moves up (which prevents some fragmentation of storage). This means that a GETMAIN may have part of the storage in an existing page with the rest in a subsequent page. So your storage won't be properly initialized. There is an option to cause z/OS to use the old storage management rather than the new storage management. Those are just two items to watch for. Regards, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html This email message and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is proprietary to US Foodservice, Inc and/or its subsidiaries or otherwise confidential or legally privileged. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender by reply, and delete all copies of this message and any attachments. If you are the intended recipient you may use the information contained in this message and any files attached to this message only as authorized by US Foodservice. Files attached to this message may only be transmitted using secure systems and appropriate means of encryption, and must be secured using the same level password and security protection with which the file was provided to you. Any unauthorized use, dissemination or disclosure of this message or it's attachments is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Leap frog from z/OS 1.7 to z/OS 1.11
Thanks, Ed, Will do. Take care, Greg -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ed Finnell Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:22 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Leap frog from z/OS 1.7 to z/OS 1.11 In a message dated 6/10/2010 2:16:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, gregory.schme...@usfood.com writes: This decision was made prior to my involvement and I am gathering data to make shed light and make sure that, if this decision is stuck to, at least everyone is going into it with their eyes open. Might want to hit the Archives too. Mary Anne @PSU had bad experiences...while others reported not worse that usual. A lot depends on 3rd party footprint and user written code. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html This email message and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is proprietary to US Foodservice, Inc and/or its subsidiaries or otherwise confidential or legally privileged. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender by reply, and delete all copies of this message and any attachments. If you are the intended recipient you may use the information contained in this message and any files attached to this message only as authorized by US Foodservice. Files attached to this message may only be transmitted using secure systems and appropriate means of encryption, and must be secured using the same level password and security protection with which the file was provided to you. Any unauthorized use, dissemination or disclosure of this message or it's attachments is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Leap frog from z/OS 1.7 to z/OS 1.11
Thank you, Sam, It has been a very long time since I have read your name. As always, I really appreciate your expertise and advice. Thank you for pointing me to them, I may have to contact them. Take care, Greg -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Knutson, Sam Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 12:03 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Leap frog from z/OS 1.7 to z/OS 1.11 You might consider mitigating the risk by getting assistance from one of the folks who specialize in unsupported upgrades. We have never needed to do this upgrading every year but Brian Westerman and Syzygy are well recognized around here as subject matter experts in this space. http://syzygyinc.net/contactus.aspx There are other consultants who could help as well. Best Regards, Sam Knutson, GEICO System z HW/SW/Automation Team Leader mailto:sknut...@geico.com (office) 301.986.3574 (cell) 301.996.1318 Think big, act bold, start simple, grow fast... -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Schmeelk, Gregory Sent: Thursday, June 10, 2010 1:44 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Leap frog from z/OS 1.7 to z/OS 1.11 Has anyone here done the jump from z/OS 1.7 to z/OS 1.11 without going through 1.9 first? If so, can you tell me any specific gotchas that you came across? Thank you, Greg This email/fax message is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution of this email/fax is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please destroy all paper and electronic copies of the original message. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html This email message and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain information that is proprietary to US Foodservice, Inc and/or its subsidiaries or otherwise confidential or legally privileged. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender by reply, and delete all copies of this message and any attachments. If you are the intended recipient you may use the information contained in this message and any files attached to this message only as authorized by US Foodservice. Files attached to this message may only be transmitted using secure systems and appropriate means of encryption, and must be secured using the same level password and security protection with which the file was provided to you. Any unauthorized use, dissemination or disclosure of this message or it's attachments is strictly prohibited. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Leap frog from z/OS 1.7 to z/OS 1.11
Go get Marnas migration papers - -1.7 to 1.9 and 1.9 to 1.11 (I presume she has done the latter, haven't looked). On the share site. Truly excellent, and filters the nuggets from the migration guides. Much easier on the eye. Shane ... On Fri, Jun 11th, 2010 at 5:16 AM, Schmeelk, Gregory wrote: Thank you, Steve, This decision was made prior to my involvement and I am gathering data to make shed light and make sure that, if this decision is stuck to, at least everyone is going into it with their eyes open. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
