Re: Mainframe article
Barry, I plead guilty, I was at the SHARE when the Linda Lovelace button showed up. We had a table and spent all evening and a few drinks trying to come up with something funny, guess the alcohol did a job on our creativity as we weren#39;t able to come with anything printable. Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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From my last Share meeting in the mid 80s, JES3 is 1 Better. Paul -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Rick Fochtman Sent: Thursday, 15 September 2011 12:37 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Mainframe article I'd kill for those buttons; economics keep me at home. :-( Rick -- Ed Finnell wrote: SHARE button from Anaheim JES2 may be Mickey Mouse, but JES3 is goofy! In a message dated 9/14/2011 3:23:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, rfocht...@ync.net writes: Like Donald Duck, Mickey Mouse or Bugs Bunny, maybe? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Mainframe article
I didn't check all of the postings under this thread, but all of the buttons cited are viewable, and most credit the author and many have some history, at http://www.mxg.com/thebuttonman plus there is the parody recording of Hoyt Axton's Boney Fingers, new words written by Anne Ashley and Dave Thewlis, and played at the very first VS2 Performance session at SHARE in 1975. Barry -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Thu, 15 Sep 2011 20:05:49 +1000 Paul wrote: From my last Share meeting in the mid 80s, JES3 is 1 Better. JES3 never had much appeal I must admit - however, at my first (American) Share, I decided I'd drop over to the JES3 table to see if anyone knew who the hell this Jaffe fella was. Nope - they were all CICS folks from Hursley huh ???. Empty table, so they usurped it. Eventually someone pointed me in the right direction. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Ed, Yep, I agree, more than likely there are some legal issues. I am just curious on what the REAL number of z/OS shops are in the World and the USA. Scott J Ford Software Engineer http://www.identityforge.com From: Ed Gould ps2...@yahoo.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 9:49 PM Subject: Re: Mainframe article Scott, There might be an issues between legal and let's say less than legal. A former company that I used to work for had 4 systems and paid IBM for two. The IBM rep knew they were supposedly only for DR hmmm, not really but I digress. IBM rep had full knowledge of the deal. One time I was at the second site and needed a DFDSS fix and I needed to d/l via dial up link and I got some raised questions from IBM. They allowed the d/l. I didn't hear any fallout but there was some. I didn't do anything wrong it was management issue from start to finish. That is why the numbers are probably off. Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Mainframe article
The Register has another mainframe related article which points out the rising importance of the mainframe and its growth in recent years. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/13/bmc_mainframe_survey/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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re: The Register has another mainframe related article which points out the rising importance of the mainframe and its growth in recent years. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/13/bmc_mainframe_survey/; No, this can't be right, obviously whoever wrote this article is not reading enough airline magazines. Bobbie Justice -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I notice they claim only 4,000 Mainframe shops in the world. I thought the number was closer to 10,000. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Bobbie Justice Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 2:43 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Mainframe article re: The Register has another mainframe related article which points out the rising importance of the mainframe and its growth in recent years. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/13/bmc_mainframe_survey/; No, this can't be right, obviously whoever wrote this article is not reading enough airline magazines. Bobbie Justice -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Mainframe article
On 14 September 2011 14:49, Ken Porowski ken.porow...@cit.com wrote: I notice they claim only 4,000 Mainframe shops in the world. I thought the number was closer to 10,000. I have no idea, but I still have my VM Soars with 20,000 licenses poster from IBM. That was from the 1990s, IIRC. Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Mr Timothy Prickett Morgan is not and never has been a great fan of mainframes. If you have ever read his comments, he always comes across as being anti-M/F and to some extent anti-IBM. As to the number of M/F sites in the world today? Where did he get this number from? As Bobbie Justice said, he probably doesn't read enough airline magazines! The number is much closer to 6,000, although no one knows for certain, not even IBM. The number of individual systems installed is obviously far greater than that. TPM's resume shows that he has very little background in M/F matters - except writing magazine articles, but mainly about mid-range systems. And as to any experience of working with M/Fs... in the words of the (in)famous Phil Payne, nuff said. ALH -Original Message- From: Ken Porowski ken.porow...@cit.com To: IBM-MAIN IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Wed, Sep 14, 2011 7:49 pm Subject: Re: Mainframe article I notice they claim only 4,000 Mainframe shops in the world. I thought he number was closer to 10,000. -Original Message- rom: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On ehalf Of Bobbie Justice ent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 2:43 PM o: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu ubject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Mainframe article re: The Register has another mainframe related article which points out he rising importance of the mainframe and its growth in recent years. ttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/13/bmc_mainframe_survey/ No, this can't be right, obviously whoever wrote this article is not eading enough airline magazines. Bobbie Justice -- or IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send mail to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search he archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- or IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, end email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO earch the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Mainframe article
I heard about 7200 that was 10 yrs ago ... Scott J Ford Software Engineer http://www.identityforge.com From: Aled Hughes aledlhug...@aol.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 3:38 PM Subject: Re: Mainframe article Mr Timothy Prickett Morgan is not and never has been a great fan of mainframes. If you have ever read his comments, he always comes across as being anti-M/F and to some extent anti-IBM. As to the number of M/F sites in the world today? Where did he get this number from? As Bobbie Justice said, he probably doesn't read enough airline magazines! The number is much closer to 6,000, although no one knows for certain, not even IBM. The number of individual systems installed is obviously far greater than that. TPM's resume shows that he has very little background in M/F matters - except writing magazine articles, but mainly about mid-range systems. And as to any experience of working with M/Fs... in the words of the (in)famous Phil Payne, nuff said. ALH -Original Message- From: Ken Porowski ken.porow...@cit.com To: IBM-MAIN IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Wed, Sep 14, 2011 7:49 pm Subject: Re: Mainframe article I notice they claim only 4,000 Mainframe shops in the world. I thought he number was closer to 10,000. -Original Message- rom: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On ehalf Of Bobbie Justice ent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 2:43 PM o: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu ubject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Mainframe article re: The Register has another mainframe related article which points out he rising importance of the mainframe and its growth in recent years. ttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/13/bmc_mainframe_survey/ No, this can't be right, obviously whoever wrote this article is not eading enough airline magazines. Bobbie Justice -- or IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send mail to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search he archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- or IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, end email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO earch the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Mainframe article
Maybe he found something more ineresting. Like Donald Duck, Mickey Mouse or Bugs Bunny, mayge? Rick - Bobbie Justice wrote: re: The Register has another mainframe related article which points out the rising importance of the mainframe and its growth in recent years. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/13/bmc_mainframe_survey/; No, this can't be right, obviously whoever wrote this article is not reading enough airline magazines. Bobbie Justice -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Mainframe article
Another alligator pundit? All mouth and no brains? :-) Rick --- Aled Hughes wrote: Mr Timothy Prickett Morgan is not and never has been a great fan of mainframes. If you have ever read his comments, he always comes across as being anti-M/F and to some extent anti-IBM. As to the number of M/F sites in the world today? Where did he get this number from? As Bobbie Justice said, he probably doesn't read enough airline magazines! The number is much closer to 6,000, although no one knows for certain, not even IBM. The number of individual systems installed is obviously far greater than that. TPM's resume shows that he has very little background in M/F matters - except writing magazine articles, but mainly about mid-range systems. And as to any experience of working with M/Fs... in the words of the (in)famous Phil Payne, nuff said. ALH -Original Message- From: Ken Porowski ken.porow...@cit.com To: IBM-MAIN IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Wed, Sep 14, 2011 7:49 pm Subject: Re: Mainframe article I notice they claim only 4,000 Mainframe shops in the world. I thought he number was closer to 10,000. -Original Message- rom: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On ehalf Of Bobbie Justice ent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 2:43 PM o: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu ubject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Mainframe article re: The Register has another mainframe related article which points out he rising importance of the mainframe and its growth in recent years. ttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/13/bmc_mainframe_survey/ No, this can't be right, obviously whoever wrote this article is not eading enough airline magazines. Bobbie Justice -- or IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send mail to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search he archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- or IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, end email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO earch the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Rick, As a former Disney employee and resident of Central Florida, you should not associate Mickey or Donald with this 'author'!! :) Glenn - Original Message - From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Wed Sep 14 16:23:29 2011 Subject: Re: Mainframe article Maybe he found something more ineresting. Like Donald Duck, Mickey Mouse or Bugs Bunny, mayge? Rick - Bobbie Justice wrote: re: The Register has another mainframe related article which points out the rising importance of the mainframe and its growth in recent years. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/13/bmc_mainframe_survey/; No, this can't be right, obviously whoever wrote this article is not reading enough airline magazines. Bobbie Justice -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html LEGAL DISCLAIMER The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. SunTrust is a federally registered service mark of SunTrust Banks, Inc. Live Solid. Bank Solid. is a service mark of SunTrust Banks, Inc. [ST:XCL] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Mainframe article
SHARE button from Anaheim JES2 may be Mickey Mouse, but JES3 is goofy! In a message dated 9/14/2011 3:23:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, rfocht...@ync.net writes: Like Donald Duck, Mickey Mouse or Bugs Bunny, maybe? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Mainframe article
Tony Harminc wrote, re the number of mainframes in the world: I have no idea, but I still have my VM Soars with 20,000 licenses poster from IBM. That was from the 1990s, IIRC. Yeah, alas, that 20,000 apparently included every VM license ever sold at that point, including ones never installed, or certainly not running any more. So it included 9370s and P/390s and the like, and even IBM didn't think it was very real at the time. I consistently hear numbers in the 5K-10K range, but everyone's guessing (and most of 'em admit it). -- .phsiii Phil Smith III p...@voltage.com Voltage Security, Inc. www.voltage.com (703) 476-4511 (home office) (703) 568-6662 (cell) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Mainframe article
All, Isnt it odd no one seems to know number of z/OS,VSE,VM shops in the World or in the USA. I worked for a well known vendor on the z/OS,VE and VM team we had 2500 customers. We pretty much could tell you what they had or what we had in their customer account record. Scott J Ford Software Engineer http://www.identityforge.com From: Phil Smith p...@voltage.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2011 4:57 PM Subject: Re: Mainframe article Tony Harminc wrote, re the number of mainframes in the world: I have no idea, but I still have my VM Soars with 20,000 licenses poster from IBM. That was from the 1990s, IIRC. Yeah, alas, that 20,000 apparently included every VM license ever sold at that point, including ones never installed, or certainly not running any more. So it included 9370s and P/390s and the like, and even IBM didn't think it was very real at the time. I consistently hear numbers in the 5K-10K range, but everyone's guessing (and most of 'em admit it). -- .phsiii Phil Smith III p...@voltage.com Voltage Security, Inc. www.voltage.com (703) 476-4511 (home office) (703) 568-6662 (cell) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Mainframe article
Scott, There might be an issues between legal and let#39;s say less than legal. A former company that I used to work for had 4 systems and paid IBM for two. The IBM rep knew they were supposedly only for DR hmmm, not really but I digress. IBM rep had full knowledge of the deal. One time I was at the second site and needed a DFDSS fix and I needed to d/l via dial up link and I got some raised questions from IBM. They allowed the d/l. I didn#39;t hear any fallout but there was some. I didn#39;t do anything wrong it was management issue from start to finish. That is why the numbers are probably off. Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I realize it's a grave insult to Mickey and Donald to make a direct comparison. Forgive me for a moment of weakness mixed with disgust at the temerity of this so-called author. Rick - Schneck.Glenn wrote: Rick, As a former Disney employee and resident of Central Florida, you should not associate Mickey or Donald with this 'author'!! :) Glenn - Original Message - From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Wed Sep 14 16:23:29 2011 Subject: Re: Mainframe article Maybe he found something more ineresting. Like Donald Duck, Mickey Mouse or Bugs Bunny, mayge? Rick - Bobbie Justice wrote: re: The Register has another mainframe related article which points out the rising importance of the mainframe and its growth in recent years. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/13/bmc_mainframe_survey/; No, this can't be right, obviously whoever wrote this article is not reading enough airline magazines. Bobbie Justice -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html LEGAL DISCLAIMER The information transmitted is intended solely for the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of or taking action in reliance upon this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this email in error please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. SunTrust is a federally registered service mark of SunTrust Banks, Inc. Live Solid. Bank Solid. is a service mark of SunTrust Banks, Inc. [ST:XCL] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I'd kill for those buttons; economics keep me at home. :-( Rick -- Ed Finnell wrote: SHARE button from Anaheim JES2 may be Mickey Mouse, but JES3 is goofy! In a message dated 9/14/2011 3:23:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, rfocht...@ync.net writes: Like Donald Duck, Mickey Mouse or Bugs Bunny, maybe? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Interesting Mainframe Article: 5 Myths Exposed
http://searchdatacenter.techtarget.com/tip/0,289483,sid80_gci1299376,00.html?track=NL-576ad=624866asrc=EM_NLN_3060935uid=1900046 Watch the wrap. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers as well. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Gary Green) writes: http://searchdatacenter.techtarget.com/tip/0,289483,sid80_gci1299376,00.html?track=NL-576ad=624866asrc=EM_NLN_3060935uid=1900046 previous posting mentioning zNextGen program: http://www.garlic.com/2008c.html#45 Young mainframers' group gaims momentum can you say HONE? ... hands-on network experience ... misc. past posts http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hone before the 23jun69 unbundling announcements ... novice system engineers would get hands-on experience in customer accounts ... as part of larger team of SEs (with a variety of experience) ... sort of apprentice type program. after the 23jun69 unbundling announcements ... besides starting to charge for software ... SEs time at customer accounts were also charged for. The situation at the time couldn't come up with having apparentice SEs learning on the customer nickle. http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#unbundle the initial solution was to put in some number of cp67 virtual machine systems ... and provide remote login access to SEs from branch offices. the science center had pioneered virtual machines systems in the mid-60s ... starting with cp40 (on specially modified 360/40 supporting virtual memory) which morphed into cp67 (when standard 360/67 machines with standard virtual memory support become available) http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#545tech the science center had also ported apl\360 to cms\apl. apl\360 installations had typically been limited to 16kbyte or 32kbyte workspaces. the cms\apl port opened up workspace size to full virtual memory (although parts of apl had to be reworked for virtual memory operation). The dramatically increased workspace size and some other features (added to cms\apl) ... allowed a lot more real-world applications to be done in apl. One instance was that corporate hdqtrs people loaded the most sensitive coporate information on to the cambridge system and ran remote business modeling applications from armonk. This also required a very high level of security since the cambridge system also had various non-employees from the area universities and colleges using the system. a little topic drift regarding the security issue: http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/list-archive/0409/8362.cfm another use of cms\apl was to deploy sales and marketing applications on the HONE systems, supporting branch office (other than SEs). Eventually these sales and marketing applications came to dominate all HONE activity ... to the exclusion of SE hands-on use. Before long, it was not even possible for customer machine orders to be submitted unless they had been preprocessed by some HONE application. for slightly other topic drift: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008d.html#17 more on (the new 40+ yr old) virtualization http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008d.html#23 more on (the new 40+ yr old) virtualization for other folklore topic drift ... starting in the late 70s, there was constant series of efforts to move HONE (sales marketing apl applications) off of vm370 and on to MVS. The cycle was approx. two years, a new executive would come in, discover to their horror that the corporation didn't actually run on MVS ... and mandate HONE be moved to a MVS platform. All work would stop for 6-9 months while everybody worked on attempting to move things over ... which would eventually fail miserably ... and then things would be back to almost normal for a short period until the next executive replacement. At one point in one of cycles in the early 80, one of the POK executives admonished the HONE organization that a MVS port would easily be possible if they would just rewrite all the APL applications in assembler. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Interesting Mainframe Article: 5 Myths Exposed
On Feb 13, 2008, at 1:15 PM, Anne Lynn Wheeler wrote: The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm- main,alt.folklore.computers as well. ---SNIP- I was going to rebut some of the items in the article but I did not see anyway to do so. Usually (at least in other mags) there is a way to do so but not with these guys. BTW I should have put a disclaimer in my item about them harvesting email addresses and sending out SPAM. I apologize. Ed -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Encouraging Mainframe Article on ganthead
http://www.gantthead.com/content/articles/235282.cfm EdP -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
