Re: NASA closes it's last mainframe
In 586f66d0-1da1-4a0a-ba56-e0829cb47...@yahoo.com, on 02/14/2012 at 08:13 AM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com said: Very interesting article / blog, but anyone know why NASA pulled the plug on their last mainframe? I don't know that they did. NASA has other sites besides MSFC. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: NASA closes it's last mainframe
All, Very interesting article / blog, but anyone know why NASA pulled the plug on their last mainframe? Cost ? Sent from my iPad Scott Ford Senior Systems Engineer www.identityforge.com On Feb 13, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Bob Shannon bshan...@rocketsoftware.com wrote: One of my favorite SHARE sessions was in San Diego 2007 when Jan Green presented Space Shuttle Usage of z/OS. That was a really good session. I shared it with my then boss who had been a NASA flight controller. Bob Shannon Rocket Software -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: NASA closes it's last mainframe
On 14 Feb 2012 05:14:23 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: All, Very interesting article / blog, but anyone know why NASA pulled the plug on their last mainframe? Cost ? My guess is that the applications they wanted to run had better software and hardware support on other platforms. Support for scientific and compute intensive application probably has not kept up on the mainframe. Clark Morris Sent from my iPad Scott Ford Senior Systems Engineer www.identityforge.com On Feb 13, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Bob Shannon bshan...@rocketsoftware.com wrote: One of my favorite SHARE sessions was in San Diego 2007 when Jan Green presented Space Shuttle Usage of z/OS. That was a really good session. I shared it with my then boss who had been a NASA flight controller. Bob Shannon Rocket Software -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: NASA closes it's last mainframe
No, They are using Russian platforms for space flights (soon on Virgin)... ;-) No need for software or hardware. all supplied by the Russian space industry. (I am jocking, of course). ITschak On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote: All, Very interesting article / blog, but anyone know why NASA pulled the plug on their last mainframe? Cost ? Sent from my iPad Scott Ford Senior Systems Engineer www.identityforge.com On Feb 13, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Bob Shannon bshan...@rocketsoftware.com wrote: One of my favorite SHARE sessions was in San Diego 2007 when Jan Green presented Space Shuttle Usage of z/OS. That was a really good session. I shared it with my then boss who had been a NASA flight controller. Bob Shannon Rocket Software -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: NASA closes it's last mainframe
It's hack, That was funny, I liked that Sent from my iPad Scott Ford Senior Systems Engineer www.identityforge.com On Feb 14, 2012, at 8:56 AM, Itschak Mugzach imugz...@gmail.com wrote: No, They are using Russian platforms for space flights (soon on Virgin)... ;-) No need for software or hardware. all supplied by the Russian space industry. (I am jocking, of course). ITschak On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote: All, Very interesting article / blog, but anyone know why NASA pulled the plug on their last mainframe? Cost ? Sent from my iPad Scott Ford Senior Systems Engineer www.identityforge.com On Feb 13, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Bob Shannon bshan...@rocketsoftware.com wrote: One of my favorite SHARE sessions was in San Diego 2007 when Jan Green presented Space Shuttle Usage of z/OS. That was a really good session. I shared it with my then boss who had been a NASA flight controller. Bob Shannon Rocket Software -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: NASA closes it's last mainframe
Meant to say Itschak that's funny, liked it Sent from my iPad Scott Ford Senior Systems Engineer www.identityforge.com On Feb 14, 2012, at 8:56 AM, Itschak Mugzach imugz...@gmail.com wrote: No, They are using Russian platforms for space flights (soon on Virgin)... ;-) No need for software or hardware. all supplied by the Russian space industry. (I am jocking, of course). ITschak On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 3:13 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com wrote: All, Very interesting article / blog, but anyone know why NASA pulled the plug on their last mainframe? Cost ? Sent from my iPad Scott Ford Senior Systems Engineer www.identityforge.com On Feb 13, 2012, at 1:48 PM, Bob Shannon bshan...@rocketsoftware.com wrote: One of my favorite SHARE sessions was in San Diego 2007 when Jan Green presented Space Shuttle Usage of z/OS. That was a really good session. I shared it with my then boss who had been a NASA flight controller. Bob Shannon Rocket Software -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: NASA closes it's last mainframe
Yeah, but the inverse femtobarns of data needs processing too! In a message dated 2/14/2012 7:50:18 A.M. Central Standard Time, cfmpub...@ns.sympatico.ca writes: Support for scientific and compute intensive application probably has not kept up on the mainframe. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: NASA closes it's last mainframe
Service Temporarily Unavailable The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later. Maybe they should have kept the Mainframe? -- This email message and any accompanying materials may contain proprietary, privileged and confidential information of CIT Group Inc. or its subsidiaries or affiliates (collectively, CIT), and are intended solely for the recipient(s) named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this communication, any use, disclosure, printing, copying or distribution, or reliance on the contents, of this communication is strictly prohibited. CIT disclaims any liability for the review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or the taking of any action in reliance upon, this communication by persons other than the intended recipient(s). If you have received this communication in error, please reply to the sender advising of the error in transmission, and immediately delete and destroy the communication and any accompanying materials. To the extent permitted by applicable law, CIT and others may inspect, review, monitor, analyze, copy, record and retain any communications sen! t from or received at this email address. -- Matthew Donald This month marks the end of an era in NASA computing. Marshall Space Flight Center powered down NASA's last mainframe, the IBM Z9 Mainframe. For my millennial readers, I suppose that I should define what a mainframe is. Well, that's easier said than done, but here goes -- It's a big computer that is known for being reliable, highly available, secure, and powerful. They are best suited for applications that are more transaction oriented and require a lot of input/output - that is, writing or reading from data storage devices. Read the full articlehttp://blogs.nasa.gov/cm/blog/NASA-CIO-Blog/posts/post_132901781 8806.html[ blogs.nasa.gov] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: NASA closes it's last mainframe
Service Temporarily Unavailable The server is temporarily unable to service your request due to maintenance downtime or capacity problems. Please try again later. Maybe they should have kept the Mainframe? By doing this, has NASA proven there's no intelligent life in the universe? Dave Salt SimpList(tm) - try it; you'll get it! http://www.mackinney.com/products/program-development/simplist.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: NASA closes it's last mainframe
On Mon, 13 Feb 2012 01:29:00 +1100, Matthew Donald matthew.b.don...@gmail.com wrote: This month marks the end of an era in NASA computing. Marshall Space Flight Center powered down NASAs last mainframe, the IBM Z9 Mainframe. For my millennial readers, I suppose that I should define what a mainframe is. Well, thats easier said than done, but here goes -- Its a big computer that is known for being reliable, highly available, secure, and powerful. They are best suited for applications that are more transaction oriented and require a lot of input/output that is, writing or reading from data storage devices. Read the full articlehttp://blogs.nasa.gov/cm/blog/NASA-CIO-Blog/posts/post_1329017818806.html[ blogs.nasa.gov] Is this related at all to United Space Alliance and their mainframe usage? One of my favorite SHARE sessions was in San Diego 2007 when Jan Green presented Space Shuttle Usage of z/OS.I know the space shuttle program is gone too now. Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:m...@mzelden.com Mark's MVS Utilities: http://www.mzelden.com/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: NASA closes it's last mainframe
One of my favorite SHARE sessions was in San Diego 2007 when Jan Green presented Space Shuttle Usage of z/OS. That was a really good session. I shared it with my then boss who had been a NASA flight controller. Bob Shannon Rocket Software -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
NASA closes it's last mainframe
This month marks the end of an era in NASA computing. Marshall Space Flight Center powered down NASA’s last mainframe, the IBM Z9 Mainframe. For my millennial readers, I suppose that I should define what a mainframe is. Well, that’s easier said than done, but here goes -- It’s a big computer that is known for being reliable, highly available, secure, and powerful. They are best suited for applications that are more transaction oriented and require a lot of input/output – that is, writing or reading from data storage devices. Read the full articlehttp://blogs.nasa.gov/cm/blog/NASA-CIO-Blog/posts/post_1329017818806.html[ blogs.nasa.gov] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: NASA closes it's last mainframe
Very interesting , my late father had the option to see Houston Manned Spacecraft Center in the 70s or 80s. He worked for Unisys and their systems at that time were all Univac. Also around the same time Disneyworld was Unisys also. He has the option to go ack stage there also.. Now NASA is removing their mainframes, what are the replacing them with ? Sent from my iPad Scott Ford Senior Systems Engineer www.identityforge.com On Feb 12, 2012, at 9:29 AM, Matthew Donald matthew.b.don...@gmail.com wrote: This month marks the end of an era in NASA computing. Marshall Space Flight Center powered down NASA’s last mainframe, the IBM Z9 Mainframe. For my millennial readers, I suppose that I should define what a mainframe is. Well, that’s easier said than done, but here goes -- It’s a big computer that is known for being reliable, highly available, secure, and powerful. They are best suited for applications that are more transaction oriented and require a lot of input/output – that is, writing or reading from data storage devices. Read the full articlehttp://blogs.nasa.gov/cm/blog/NASA-CIO-Blog/posts/post_1329017818806.html[ blogs.nasa.gov] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: NASA closes it's last mainframe
All of the people entering the astronaut program now get an Ipod. :-P On 2/12/2012 12:35 PM, Scott Ford wrote: Very interesting , my late father had the option to see Houston Manned Spacecraft Center in the 70s or 80s. He worked for Unisys and their systems at that time were all Univac. Also around the same time Disneyworld was Unisys also. He has the option to go ack stage there also.. Now NASA is removing their mainframes, what are the replacing them with ? Sent from my iPad Scott Ford Senior Systems Engineer www.identityforge.com On Feb 12, 2012, at 9:29 AM, Matthew Donaldmatthew.b.don...@gmail.com wrote: This month marks the end of an era in NASA computing. Marshall Space Flight Center powered down NASA’s last mainframe, the IBM Z9 Mainframe. For my millennial readers, I suppose that I should define what a mainframe is. Well, that’s easier said than done, but here goes -- It’s a big computer that is known for being reliable, highly available, secure, and powerful. They are best suited for applications that are more transaction oriented and require a lot of input/output – that is, writing or reading from data storage devices. Read the full articlehttp://blogs.nasa.gov/cm/blog/NASA-CIO-Blog/posts/post_1329017818806.html[ blogs.nasa.gov] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: NASA closes it's last mainframe
As one of the two last sysprog's involved in the excessing of the NASA mainframe we saw the results of the decision made many years ago to go with the model of (cheaper???, smaller, better??? single server and virtual servers) with all of the associated vulnerabilities and failures. *Regret for the things we did can be tempered by time; it is regret for the things we did not do that is inconsolable. - Original Message - From: Dave Day david...@consolidated.net To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 10:39:27 AM Subject: Re: NASA closes it's last mainframe All of the people entering the astronaut program now get an Ipod. :-P On 2/12/2012 12:35 PM, Scott Ford wrote: Very interesting , my late father had the option to see Houston Manned Spacecraft Center in the 70s or 80s. He worked for Unisys and their systems at that time were all Univac. Also around the same time Disneyworld was Unisys also. He has the option to go ack stage there also.. Now NASA is removing their mainframes, what are the replacing them with ? Sent from my iPad Scott Ford Senior Systems Engineer www.identityforge.com On Feb 12, 2012, at 9:29 AM, Matthew Donaldmatthew.b.don...@gmail.com wrote: This month marks the end of an era in NASA computing. Marshall Space Flight Center powered down NASA’s last mainframe, the IBM Z9 Mainframe. For my millennial readers, I suppose that I should define what a mainframe is. Well, that’s easier said than done, but here goes -- It’s a big computer that is known for being reliable, highly available, secure, and powerful. They are best suited for applications that are more transaction oriented and require a lot of input/output – that is, writing or reading from data storage devices. Read the full articlehttp://blogs.nasa.gov/cm/blog/NASA-CIO-Blog/posts/post_1329017818806.html[ blogs.nasa.gov] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: NASA closes it's last mainframe
Man, probably ...remember the lunar lander had was it 8 or 16k Sent from my iPad Scott Ford Senior Systems Engineer www.identityforge.com On Feb 12, 2012, at 1:39 PM, Dave Day david...@consolidated.net wrote: All of the people entering the astronaut program now get an Ipod. :-P On 2/12/2012 12:35 PM, Scott Ford wrote: Very interesting , my late father had the option to see Houston Manned Spacecraft Center in the 70s or 80s. He worked for Unisys and their systems at that time were all Univac. Also around the same time Disneyworld was Unisys also. He has the option to go ack stage there also.. Now NASA is removing their mainframes, what are the replacing them with ? Sent from my iPad Scott Ford Senior Systems Engineer www.identityforge.com On Feb 12, 2012, at 9:29 AM, Matthew Donaldmatthew.b.don...@gmail.com wrote: This month marks the end of an era in NASA computing. Marshall Space Flight Center powered down NASA’s last mainframe, the IBM Z9 Mainframe. For my millennial readers, I suppose that I should define what a mainframe is. Well, that’s easier said than done, but here goes -- It’s a big computer that is known for being reliable, highly available, secure, and powerful. They are best suited for applications that are more transaction oriented and require a lot of input/output – that is, writing or reading from data storage devices. Read the full articlehttp://blogs.nasa.gov/cm/blog/NASA-CIO-Blog/posts/post_1329017818806.html[ blogs.nasa.gov] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: NASA closes it's last mainframe
Dave, I find the most interesting of the difference between mainframe ppl and the pc world is the thinking process. The mainframe process was long and complicated and thought out, pc to me is usually a slam dunk. Sent from my iPad Scott Ford Senior Systems Engineer www.identityforge.com On Feb 12, 2012, at 1:39 PM, Dave Day david...@consolidated.net wrote: All of the people entering the astronaut program now get an Ipod. :-P On 2/12/2012 12:35 PM, Scott Ford wrote: Very interesting , my late father had the option to see Houston Manned Spacecraft Center in the 70s or 80s. He worked for Unisys and their systems at that time were all Univac. Also around the same time Disneyworld was Unisys also. He has the option to go ack stage there also.. Now NASA is removing their mainframes, what are the replacing them with ? Sent from my iPad Scott Ford Senior Systems Engineer www.identityforge.com On Feb 12, 2012, at 9:29 AM, Matthew Donaldmatthew.b.don...@gmail.com wrote: This month marks the end of an era in NASA computing. Marshall Space Flight Center powered down NASA’s last mainframe, the IBM Z9 Mainframe. For my millennial readers, I suppose that I should define what a mainframe is. Well, that’s easier said than done, but here goes -- It’s a big computer that is known for being reliable, highly available, secure, and powerful. They are best suited for applications that are more transaction oriented and require a lot of input/output – that is, writing or reading from data storage devices. Read the full articlehttp://blogs.nasa.gov/cm/blog/NASA-CIO-Blog/posts/post_1329017818806.html[ blogs.nasa.gov] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: NASA closes it's last mainframe
On 12 Feb 2012 11:10:08 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: As one of the two last sysprog's involved in the excessing of the NASA mainframe we saw the results of the decision made many years ago to go with the model of (cheaper???, smaller, better??? single server and virtual servers) with all of the associated vulnerabilities and failures. Depending on the problems to be solved, are the p series computers a better fit for what NASA is doing? For management functions a mainframe might be better but SAP runs on p as I recall. Given that I have used NASA goodies both on MVT and MVS, I hate to see this happen but it may be an intelligent decision. Clark Morris *Regret for the things we did can be tempered by time; it is regret for the things we did not do that is inconsolable. - Original Message - From: Dave Day david...@consolidated.net To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Sunday, February 12, 2012 10:39:27 AM Subject: Re: NASA closes it's last mainframe All of the people entering the astronaut program now get an Ipod. :-P On 2/12/2012 12:35 PM, Scott Ford wrote: Very interesting , my late father had the option to see Houston Manned Spacecraft Center in the 70s or 80s. He worked for Unisys and their systems at that time were all Univac. Also around the same time Disneyworld was Unisys also. He has the option to go ack stage there also.. Now NASA is removing their mainframes, what are the replacing them with ? Sent from my iPad Scott Ford Senior Systems Engineer www.identityforge.com On Feb 12, 2012, at 9:29 AM, Matthew Donaldmatthew.b.don...@gmail.com wrote: This month marks the end of an era in NASA computing. Marshall Space Flight Center powered down NASAs last mainframe, the IBM Z9 Mainframe. For my millennial readers, I suppose that I should define what a mainframe is. Well, thats easier said than done, but here goes -- Its a big computer that is known for being reliable, highly available, secure, and powerful. They are best suited for applications that are more transaction oriented and require a lot of input/output that is, writing or reading from data storage devices. Read the full articlehttp://blogs.nasa.gov/cm/blog/NASA-CIO-Blog/posts/post_1329017818806.html[ blogs.nasa.gov] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
