Re: New zEnterprise 196 Hardware, AWLC and IBM Software Pricing
The problem with the name z11 seems to be that this name is registred by Konrad Zuse for his first computers. For using the machine is only the HCD-Type necessary. Alexander Riedel -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Hunkeler Peter (KIUP 4) Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 8:23 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: New zEnterprise 196 Hardware, AWLC and IBM Software Pricing First generation, 96 cores First generation of what? To me, the last first generation was the first 64bit machine, the z900. To bad they had chosen to name it 900; a bit difficult to increment for the next generation. So they came out with z9 which could be reasonably incremented to z10. Marketing folks never like predictability, that's why the widely expected z11 wasn't an option. Their job is to act creatively. z196 is a nice creation indeed, isn't it? It sure is another amusing creation, at least for me. -- Peter Hunkeler Credit Suisse -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: New zEnterprise 196 Hardware, AWLC and IBM Software Pricing
Number of capacity options maybe. Shane ... On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 15:57:28 -0700, Edward Jaffe wrote: I'm still trying to figure out where 196 comes from. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: New zEnterprise 196 Hardware, AWLC and IBM Software Pricing
clever - ROTFLMAO Stan Weyman Senior Software Engineer - zSeries EMC Corporation 176 South Street Hopkinton MA 01748 weyman_s...@emc.com Direct: (508)249-3966 Internal: 43966 People think computers will keep them from making mistakes. They're wrong. With computers you just make mistakes faster... -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of John P. Baker Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 9:49 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: New zEnterprise 196 Hardware, AWLC and IBM Software Pricing I have a thought. D2X(196) = C4. Perhaps IBM is trying to blow up the competition. Sorry. I just could not resist. John P. Baker -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 6:57 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: New zEnterprise 196 Hardware, AWLC and IBM Software Pricing I'm still trying to figure out where 196 comes from. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: New zEnterprise 196 Hardware, AWLC and IBM Software Pricing
The naming / numbering schemes have always changed for every generation. Mark -- Mark Zelden - Zelden Consulting Services - z/OS, OS/390 and MVS mailto:mzel...@flash.net Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ On Thu, 22 Jul 2010 18:22:08 -0700, Norman Hollander on DesertWiz norman.hollan...@desertwiz.biz wrote: Really? Want to say how we got a z9-109? Just curious. zNorman -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Field, Alan C. Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 Thursday 5:14 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: New zEnterprise 196 Hardware, AWLC and IBM Software Pricing First generation, 96 cores - Original Message - From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Thu Jul 22 17:57:28 2010 Subject: Re: New zEnterprise 196 Hardware, AWLC and IBM Software Pricing Shane Ginnane wrote: Oh joy - yet another pricing model from IBM. I still don't understand the last umpteen iterations. I'm still trying to figure out where 196 comes from. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: New zEnterprise 196 Hardware, AWLC and IBM Software Pricing
I would guess that it means it is the 1st generation of the zEnterprise, and his has a max of 96 cores. Edward Jaffe edja...@phoenixsoftware.com 7/22/2010 6:57 PM Shane Ginnane wrote: Oh joy - yet another pricing model from IBM. I still don't understand the last umpteen iterations. I'm still trying to figure out where 196 comes from. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html CONFIDENTIALITY/EMAIL NOTICE: The material in this transmission contains confidential and privileged information intended only for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this material in error and that any forwarding, copying, printing, distribution, use or disclosure of the material is strictly prohibited. If you have received this material in error, please (i) do not read it, (ii) reply to the sender that you received the message in error, and (iii) erase or destroy the material. Emails are not secure and can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by email. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
New zEnterprise 196 Hardware, AWLC and IBM Software Pricing
Cross Posted (MXG-L, ISVCOSTS, IBM-MAIN) Today IBM announced the zEnterprise 196, a new mainframe system available in September that will also offer a BladeCenter extension available in November. The US announcement letter is 110-170. The z196 will also have a new pricing metric Advanced Workload License Charges described in US announcement letter 210-238. AWLC offers Reduced price points, versus VWLC, for all MSU levels with more than three MSUs. This will help lower IBM MLC software charges for sites using VWLC (but no help if you're using EWLC). Further, AWLC will take advantage of tiers that only z/OS uses today. DB2, CICS, WebSphere MQ , IMS and other MLC WLC products do not lower the charge per MSU above 575 MSUs. For Example DB2 V10's charge at 575 or more MSUs is 59USD. With this announcement I'm expecting the 59USD to be decreased (Reduced price points, versus VWLC), and there should be further decreases for levels 5-7: Level 5 AWLC 876 - 1315 MSUs Level 6 AWLC1316 - 1975 MSUs Level 7 AWLC1976 - more MSUs The prices have not yet been published, but each tier should have a lower price than 59USD per MSU. This will lower IBM MLC software charges for sites with more than 875 MSUs in their PricingPlexes. In my opinion this is long overdue. A 2094-715 or a 2097-711 or larger machines will benefit from decreases at these higher tiers. Further updates on z196, AWLC and their impact on software pricing will be on http://www.sherkow.com/updates/z196awlc.html. Al -- Al Sherkow, I/S Management Strategies, Ltd. Consulting Expertise on Capacity Planning, Performance Tuning, WLC, LPARs, IRD and LCS Software Seminars on IBM SW Pricing, LPARs, and IRD Voice: +1 414 332-3062 Web: www.sherkow.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: New zEnterprise 196 Hardware, AWLC and IBM Software Pricing
Oh joy - yet another pricing model from IBM. I still don't understand the last umpteen iterations. At least it keeps folks like Al in a job. Shane ... On Fri, Jul 23rd, 2010 at 4:20 AM, Al Sherkow wrote: The z196 will also have a new pricing metric Advanced Workload License Charges described in US announcement letter 210-238. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: New zEnterprise 196 Hardware, AWLC and IBM Software Pricing
Shane Ginnane wrote: Oh joy - yet another pricing model from IBM. I still don't understand the last umpteen iterations. I'm still trying to figure out where 196 comes from. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: New zEnterprise 196 Hardware, AWLC and IBM Software Pricing
First generation, 96 cores - Original Message - From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Thu Jul 22 17:57:28 2010 Subject: Re: New zEnterprise 196 Hardware, AWLC and IBM Software Pricing Shane Ginnane wrote: Oh joy - yet another pricing model from IBM. I still don't understand the last umpteen iterations. I'm still trying to figure out where 196 comes from. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: New zEnterprise 196 Hardware, AWLC and IBM Software Pricing
Really? Want to say how we got a z9-109? Just curious. zNorman -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Field, Alan C. Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 Thursday 5:14 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: New zEnterprise 196 Hardware, AWLC and IBM Software Pricing First generation, 96 cores - Original Message - From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Thu Jul 22 17:57:28 2010 Subject: Re: New zEnterprise 196 Hardware, AWLC and IBM Software Pricing Shane Ginnane wrote: Oh joy - yet another pricing model from IBM. I still don't understand the last umpteen iterations. I'm still trying to figure out where 196 comes from. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: New zEnterprise 196 Hardware, AWLC and IBM Software Pricing
I don't know that one. The 1 96 came from an IBMer during a discussion recently. - Original Message - From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Thu Jul 22 20:22:08 2010 Subject: Re: New zEnterprise 196 Hardware, AWLC and IBM Software Pricing Really? Want to say how we got a z9-109? Just curious. zNorman -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Field, Alan C. Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 Thursday 5:14 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: New zEnterprise 196 Hardware, AWLC and IBM Software Pricing First generation, 96 cores - Original Message - From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Thu Jul 22 17:57:28 2010 Subject: Re: New zEnterprise 196 Hardware, AWLC and IBM Software Pricing Shane Ginnane wrote: Oh joy - yet another pricing model from IBM. I still don't understand the last umpteen iterations. I'm still trying to figure out where 196 comes from. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: New zEnterprise 196 Hardware, AWLC and IBM Software Pricing
I have a thought. D2X(196) = C4. Perhaps IBM is trying to blow up the competition. Sorry. I just could not resist. John P. Baker -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 6:57 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: New zEnterprise 196 Hardware, AWLC and IBM Software Pricing I'm still trying to figure out where 196 comes from. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 310-338-0400 x318 edja...@phoenixsoftware.com http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
