Re: No supported release of z/OS(r) honors the IMBED, REPLICATE, and KEYRANGE attributes for new VSAM data sets
I would think that 'allowing' and 'honoring' are two different things. That is, the cluster may have the attribute in the catalog entry but the code no longer does anything with it. You see this in other contexts for depreciated keywords: '...checked for syntax and ignored...' HTH and good luck. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of John P Kalinich Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 9:05 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: No supported release of z/OS(r) honors the IMBED, REPLICATE, and KEYRANGE attributes for new VSAM data sets snip z/OS V1R11.0 Migration - All supported migration paths z/OS V1R11.0 GA22-7499-16 Description: No supported release of z/OS(r) honors the IMBED, REPLICATE, and KEYRANGE attributes for new VSAM data sets. /snip Our z/OS 1.11 system is allowing the IMBED attribute for new VSAM data sets. Is this WAD? DATA --- BZ.CICSVSAM.SYSA.DATA IN-CAT --- CATALOG.USERCAT4 HISTORY DATASET-OWNER-(NULL) CREATION2011.097 RELEASE2 EXPIRATION--.000 ATTRIBUTES KEYLEN-4 AVGLRECL--13 BUFSPACE9728 CISIZE--4096 RKP0 MAXLRECL--13 EXCPEXIT--(NULL) CI/CA168 SHROPTNS(1,3) SPEED UNIQUE NOERASE INDEXED NOWRITECHK IMBED NOREPLICAT UNORDEREDNOREUSE NONSPANNED Regards, John K -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any files transmitted with it are intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. The message, together with any attachment, may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, printing, saving, copying, disclosure or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete all copies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: No supported release of z/OS(r) honors the IMBED, REPLICATE, and KEYRANGE attributes for new VSAM data sets
IIRC no new dataset can be created with those attributes (keywords ignored) but if an existing dataset has them it is still processed accordingly. If the dataset is recreated (delete/define) or restored the attributes will be removed. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Hal Merritt Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 10:26 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] No supported release of z/OS(r) honors the IMBED, REPLICATE, and KEYRANGE attributes for new VSAM data sets I would think that 'allowing' and 'honoring' are two different things. That is, the cluster may have the attribute in the catalog entry but the code no longer does anything with it. You see this in other contexts for depreciated keywords: '...checked for syntax and ignored...' HTH and good luck. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of John P Kalinich Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 9:05 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: No supported release of z/OS(r) honors the IMBED, REPLICATE, and KEYRANGE attributes for new VSAM data sets snip z/OS V1R11.0 Migration - All supported migration paths z/OS V1R11.0 GA22-7499-16 Description: No supported release of z/OS(r) honors the IMBED, REPLICATE, and KEYRANGE attributes for new VSAM data sets. /snip Our z/OS 1.11 system is allowing the IMBED attribute for new VSAM data sets. Is this WAD? DATA --- BZ.CICSVSAM.SYSA.DATA IN-CAT --- CATALOG.USERCAT4 HISTORY DATASET-OWNER-(NULL) CREATION2011.097 RELEASE2 EXPIRATION--.000 ATTRIBUTES KEYLEN-4 AVGLRECL--13 BUFSPACE9728 CISIZE--4096 RKP0 MAXLRECL--13 EXCPEXIT--(NULL) CI/CA168 SHROPTNS(1,3) SPEED UNIQUE NOERASE INDEXED NOWRITECHK IMBED NOREPLICAT UNORDEREDNOREUSE NONSPANNED Regards, John K -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any files transmitted with it are intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. The message, together with any attachment, may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, printing, saving, copying, disclosure or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete all copies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: No supported release of z/OS(r) honors the IMBED, REPLICATE, and KEYRANGE attributes for new VSAM data sets
The creation date was 2011.097 according to LISTCAT. Regards, John K From: Ken Porowski ken.porow...@cit.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 04/13/2011 10:02 AM Subject:Re: No supported release of z/OS(r) honors the IMBED, REPLICATE, and KEYRANGE attributes for new VSAM data sets IIRC no new dataset can be created with those attributes (keywords ignored) but if an existing dataset has them it is still processed accordingly. If the dataset is recreated (delete/define) or restored the attributes will be removed. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Hal Merritt Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 10:26 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] No supported release of z/OS(r) honors the IMBED, REPLICATE, and KEYRANGE attributes for new VSAM data sets I would think that 'allowing' and 'honoring' are two different things. That is, the cluster may have the attribute in the catalog entry but the code no longer does anything with it. You see this in other contexts for depreciated keywords: '...checked for syntax and ignored...' HTH and good luck. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of John P Kalinich Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2011 9:05 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: No supported release of z/OS(r) honors the IMBED, REPLICATE, and KEYRANGE attributes for new VSAM data sets snip z/OS V1R11.0 Migration - All supported migration paths z/OS V1R11.0 GA22-7499-16 Description: No supported release of z/OS(r) honors the IMBED, REPLICATE, and KEYRANGE attributes for new VSAM data sets. /snip Our z/OS 1.11 system is allowing the IMBED attribute for new VSAM data sets. Is this WAD? DATA --- BZ.CICSVSAM.SYSA.DATA IN-CAT --- CATALOG.USERCAT4 HISTORY DATASET-OWNER-(NULL) CREATION2011.097 RELEASE2 EXPIRATION--.000 ATTRIBUTES KEYLEN-4 AVGLRECL--13 BUFSPACE9728 CISIZE--4096 RKP0 MAXLRECL--13 EXCPEXIT--(NULL) CI/CA168 SHROPTNS(1,3) SPEED UNIQUE NOERASE INDEXED NOWRITECHK IMBED NOREPLICAT UNORDEREDNOREUSE NONSPANNED Regards, John K -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: No supported release of z/OS(r) honors the IMBED, REPLICATE, and KEYRANGE attributes for new VSAM data sets
On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 10:06:36 -0500, John P Kalinich wrote: The creation date was 2011.097 according to LISTCAT. I think that's the restore date not the true creation date. The IMBED attribute is not removed by DFSMSdss/hsm during restore. Norbert Friemel -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: No supported release of z/OS(r) honors the IMBED, REPLICATE, and KEYRANGE attributes for new VSAM data sets
Norbert, We use ABR instead of HSM, but the create date was from an IDCAMS DEFINE. Regards, John K From: Norbert Friemel nf.ibmm...@web.de To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 04/13/2011 11:29 AM Subject:Re: No supported release of z/OS(r) honors the IMBED, REPLICATE, and KEYRANGE attributes for new VSAM data sets On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 10:06:36 -0500, John P Kalinich wrote: The creation date was 2011.097 according to LISTCAT. I think that's the restore date not the true creation date. The IMBED attribute is not removed by DFSMSdss/hsm during restore. Norbert Friemel -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: No supported release of z/OS(r) honors the IMBED, REPLICATE, and KEYRANGE attributes for new VSAM data sets
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Re: No supported release of z/OS(r) honors the IMBED, REPLICATE, and KEYRANGE attributes for new VSAM data sets
On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 12:14:45 -0500, John P Kalinich jkali...@csc.com wrote: Norbert, We use ABR instead of HSM, but the create date was from an IDCAMS DEFINE. Regards, John K John, you may want to verify that is a fact. I just attempted to do a DEFINE with IMBED and REPLICATE and the LISTCAT shows NOIMBED and NOREPLICAT. 1.11. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: No supported release of z/OS(r) honors the IMBED, REPLICATE, and KEYRANGE attributes for new VSAM data sets
Mea culpa. Yes, it was the result of a FDR/ABR restore. Regards, John K From: R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 04/13/2011 12:27 PM Subject:Re: No supported release of z/OS(r) honors the IMBED, REPLICATE, and KEYRANGE attributes for new VSAM data sets W dniu 2011-04-13 17:06, John P Kalinich pisze: The creation date was 2011.097 according to LISTCAT. Can it be result of RESTORE? -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: No supported release of z/OS(r) honors the IMBED, REPLICATE, and KEYRANGE attributes for new VSAM data sets
You are correct, it was from an ABR RESTORE. Sorry to bother the list. Regards, John K From: Patrick Lyon ptl...@midamerican.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 04/13/2011 12:37 PM Subject:Re: No supported release of z/OS(r) honors the IMBED, REPLICATE, and KEYRANGE attributes for new VSAM data sets On Wed, 13 Apr 2011 12:14:45 -0500, John P Kalinich jkali...@csc.com wrote: Norbert, We use ABR instead of HSM, but the create date was from an IDCAMS DEFINE. Regards, John K John, you may want to verify that is a fact. I just attempted to do a DEFINE with IMBED and REPLICATE and the LISTCAT shows NOIMBED and NOREPLICAT. 1.11. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
