Re: QUESTION ABOUT COPY COMMAND - DFDSS
Linda, Thanks for the feedback. Yes, I did have a note to expand the VTOC once I had performed the copy. I noticed that in your example you don't stipulate the size of the VTOC. Is that okay? From: Linda Mooney linda.lst...@comcast.net To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Friday, 4 November 2011 8:31 PM Subject: Re: QUESTION ABOUT COPY COMMAND - DFDSS Hi John, There are a couple of additional things to consider related to your inquiry. It may be that you are already familar with them. Since you are moving from 3390/3 to 3390/9, are the VTOC and VVDS large enough? Once you have moved a full volume 3390/3, along with its volser, to a 3390/9, check the amount of free space on the 3390/9volume. It may show the same amount of free space as the source 3390/3 volume. In that case, you would need to refresh the VTOC. //ICKDSF EXEC PGM=ICKDSF,PARM='NOREPLYU' //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //DD0 DD UNIT=SYSALLDA,DISP=SHR,VOL=SER=volser //SYSIN DD * REFORMAT VERIFY(volser) DDNAME(DD0) REFVTOC /* HTH, Linda - Original Message - From: John Dawes jhn_da...@yahoo.com.au To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Friday, November 4, 2011 6:05:42 AM Subject: Re: QUESTION ABOUT COPY COMMAND - DFDSS Barry, I am copying each volume 1 for 1 i.e. I will be copying (4) 3390-3 to (4) 3390-9. Sorry, I should have posed my question more clearly. From: Schwarz, Barry A barry.a.schw...@boeing.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2011 3:42 PM Subject: Re: QUESTION ABOUT COPY COMMAND - DFDSS My 1.11 copy of the DSS Storage Admin manual states that FULL is the default. Does your manual say something different? Are you copying each 3390-3 to a different 3390-9 or all four to a single 3390-9? If the latter, you might be better off with a dataset copy specifying all datasets and the four volumes rather than four separate volume copies. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of John Dawes Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 8:35 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: QUESTION ABOUT COPY COMMAND - DFDSS G'Day, We are in the process of freeing a controller and I need to move 4 volumes off it. I plan to used DFDSS to copy the volume to a new adress. The source is a 3390-3 and the target is 3390-9. My question is do I need to add the parm FULL along with the COPY and ADMIN ALLDATA(*) ALLEXCP COPYVOLID PURGE statements? In the past years I did not use the FULL command and it worked okay. Is there a danger not using it? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: QUESTION ABOUT COPY COMMAND - DFDSS
The refresh is only to pick up the new number of volumes. Resizing the VTOC is another set of options. On Sun, Nov 6, 2011 at 1:43 PM, John Dawes jhn_da...@yahoo.com.au wrote: Linda, Thanks for the feedback. Yes, I did have a note to expand the VTOC once I had performed the copy. I noticed that in your example you don't stipulate the size of the VTOC. Is that okay? From: Linda Mooney linda.lst...@comcast.net To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Friday, 4 November 2011 8:31 PM Subject: Re: QUESTION ABOUT COPY COMMAND - DFDSS Hi John, There are a couple of additional things to consider related to your inquiry. It may be that you are already familar with them. Since you are moving from 3390/3 to 3390/9, are the VTOC and VVDS large enough? Once you have moved a full volume 3390/3, along with its volser, to a 3390/9, check the amount of free space on the 3390/9volume. It may show the same amount of free space as the source 3390/3 volume. In that case, you would need to refresh the VTOC. //ICKDSF EXEC PGM=ICKDSF,PARM='NOREPLYU' //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //DD0 DD UNIT=SYSALLDA,DISP=SHR,VOL=SER=volser //SYSIN DD * REFORMAT VERIFY(volser) DDNAME(DD0) REFVTOC /* HTH, Linda - Original Message - From: John Dawes jhn_da...@yahoo.com.au To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Friday, November 4, 2011 6:05:42 AM Subject: Re: QUESTION ABOUT COPY COMMAND - DFDSS Barry, I am copying each volume 1 for 1 i.e. I will be copying (4) 3390-3 to (4) 3390-9. Sorry, I should have posed my question more clearly. From: Schwarz, Barry A barry.a.schw...@boeing.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2011 3:42 PM Subject: Re: QUESTION ABOUT COPY COMMAND - DFDSS My 1.11 copy of the DSS Storage Admin manual states that FULL is the default. Does your manual say something different? Are you copying each 3390-3 to a different 3390-9 or all four to a single 3390-9? If the latter, you might be better off with a dataset copy specifying all datasets and the four volumes rather than four separate volume copies. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of John Dawes Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 8:35 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: QUESTION ABOUT COPY COMMAND - DFDSS G'Day, We are in the process of freeing a controller and I need to move 4 volumes off it. I plan to used DFDSS to copy the volume to a new adress. The source is a 3390-3 and the target is 3390-9. My question is do I need to add the parm FULL along with the COPY and ADMIN ALLDATA(*) ALLEXCP COPYVOLID PURGE statements? In the past years I did not use the FULL command and it worked okay. Is there a danger not using it? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: QUESTION ABOUT COPY COMMAND - DFDSS
Hi John, The REFVTOC subcommand is a refresh so that the additional space on the volume will be 'seen' and datasets can be stored in it. If the VTOC, INDEX, and VVDS are already large enough, then the same would be fine. http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zos/v1r11/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.zos.r11.ickug00/refmin.htm After expanding a volume size using dynamic volume expansion, you must use the REFORMAT command to rebuild the VTOC and Index structures to accommodate the additional space on the volume. DEVMAN can also be used. Follow the link, there is more info on the page. I didn't specify a VTOC, INDEX, or VVDS size because that really depends on the number and type of datasets you put on the volume. If you are simply moving existing volumes from 3390/3 to 3390/9, you might want to size at 3 times larger all around. Also consider that it might be easier to init the volume with the appropriate size VTOC, INDEX, and VTOC first and then move data. If the VTOC or the VVDS are too small, allocations will stop when either is full. If the INDEX is too small, it will be diabled. I cannot offer any suggestions about DSS options - I use CA-Disk and FDR. HTH Linda - Original Message - From: John Dawes jhn_da...@yahoo.com.au To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Sunday, November 6, 2011 11:43:28 AM Subject: Re: QUESTION ABOUT COPY COMMAND - DFDSS Linda, Thanks for the feedback. Yes, I did have a note to expand the VTOC once I had performed the copy. I noticed that in your example you don't stipulate the size of the VTOC. Is that okay? From: Linda Mooney linda.lst...@comcast.net To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Friday, 4 November 2011 8:31 PM Subject: Re: QUESTION ABOUT COPY COMMAND - DFDSS Hi John, There are a couple of additional things to consider related to your inquiry. It may be that you are already familar with them. Since you are moving from 3390/3 to 3390/9, are the VTOC and VVDS large enough? Once you have moved a full volume 3390/3, along with its volser, to a 3390/9, check the amount of free space on the 3390/9volume. It may show the same amount of free space as the source 3390/3 volume. In that case, you would need to refresh the VTOC. //ICKDSF EXEC PGM=ICKDSF,PARM='NOREPLYU' //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //DD0 DD UNIT=SYSALLDA,DISP=SHR,VOL=SER=volser //SYSIN DD * REFORMAT VERIFY(volser) DDNAME(DD0) REFVTOC /* HTH, Linda - Original Message - From: John Dawes jhn_da...@yahoo.com.au To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Friday, November 4, 2011 6:05:42 AM Subject: Re: QUESTION ABOUT COPY COMMAND - DFDSS Barry, I am copying each volume 1 for 1 i.e. I will be copying (4) 3390-3 to (4) 3390-9. Sorry, I should have posed my question more clearly. From: Schwarz, Barry A barry.a.schw...@boeing.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2011 3:42 PM Subject: Re: QUESTION ABOUT COPY COMMAND - DFDSS My 1.11 copy of the DSS Storage Admin manual states that FULL is the default. Does your manual say something different? Are you copying each 3390-3 to a different 3390-9 or all four to a single 3390-9? If the latter, you might be better off with a dataset copy specifying all datasets and the four volumes rather than four separate volume copies. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of John Dawes Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 8:35 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: QUESTION ABOUT COPY COMMAND - DFDSS G'Day, We are in the process of freeing a controller and I need to move 4 volumes off it. I plan to used DFDSS to copy the volume to a new adress. The source is a 3390-3 and the target is 3390-9. My question is do I need to add the parm FULL along with the COPY and ADMIN ALLDATA(*) ALLEXCP COPYVOLID PURGE statements? In the past years I did not use the FULL command and it worked okay. Is there a danger not using it? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu
Re: QUESTION ABOUT COPY COMMAND - DFDSS
Barry, I am copying each volume 1 for 1 i.e. I will be copying (4) 3390-3 to (4) 3390-9. Sorry, I should have posed my question more clearly. From: Schwarz, Barry A barry.a.schw...@boeing.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2011 3:42 PM Subject: Re: QUESTION ABOUT COPY COMMAND - DFDSS My 1.11 copy of the DSS Storage Admin manual states that FULL is the default. Does your manual say something different? Are you copying each 3390-3 to a different 3390-9 or all four to a single 3390-9? If the latter, you might be better off with a dataset copy specifying all datasets and the four volumes rather than four separate volume copies. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of John Dawes Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 8:35 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: QUESTION ABOUT COPY COMMAND - DFDSS G'Day, We are in the process of freeing a controller and I need to move 4 volumes off it. I plan to used DFDSS to copy the volume to a new adress. The source is a 3390-3 and the target is 3390-9. My question is do I need to add the parm FULL along with the COPY and ADMIN ALLDATA(*) ALLEXCP COPYVOLID PURGE statements? In the past years I did not use the FULL command and it worked okay. Is there a danger not using it? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: QUESTION ABOUT COPY COMMAND - DFDSS
Hi John, There are a couple of additional things to consider related to your inquiry. It may be that you are already familar with them. Since you are moving from 3390/3 to 3390/9, are the VTOC and VVDS large enough? Once you have moved a full volume 3390/3, along with its volser, to a 3390/9, check the amount of free space on the 3390/9volume. It may show the same amount of free space as the source 3390/3 volume. In that case, you would need to refresh the VTOC. //ICKDSF EXEC PGM=ICKDSF,PARM='NOREPLYU' //SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=* //DD0 DD UNIT=SYSALLDA,DISP=SHR,VOL=SER=volser //SYSIN DD * REFORMAT VERIFY(volser) DDNAME(DD0) REFVTOC /* HTH, Linda - Original Message - From: John Dawes jhn_da...@yahoo.com.au To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Friday, November 4, 2011 6:05:42 AM Subject: Re: QUESTION ABOUT COPY COMMAND - DFDSS Barry, I am copying each volume 1 for 1 i.e. I will be copying (4) 3390-3 to (4) 3390-9. Sorry, I should have posed my question more clearly. From: Schwarz, Barry A barry.a.schw...@boeing.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Thursday, 3 November 2011 3:42 PM Subject: Re: QUESTION ABOUT COPY COMMAND - DFDSS My 1.11 copy of the DSS Storage Admin manual states that FULL is the default. Does your manual say something different? Are you copying each 3390-3 to a different 3390-9 or all four to a single 3390-9? If the latter, you might be better off with a dataset copy specifying all datasets and the four volumes rather than four separate volume copies. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of John Dawes Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 8:35 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: QUESTION ABOUT COPY COMMAND - DFDSS G'Day, We are in the process of freeing a controller and I need to move 4 volumes off it. I plan to used DFDSS to copy the volume to a new adress. The source is a 3390-3 and the target is 3390-9. My question is do I need to add the parm FULL along with the COPY and ADMIN ALLDATA(*) ALLEXCP COPYVOLID PURGE statements? In the past years I did not use the FULL command and it worked okay. Is there a danger not using it? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
QUESTION ABOUT COPY COMMAND - DFDSS
G'Day, We are in the process of freeing a controller and I need to move 4 volumes off it. I plan to used DFDSS to copy the volume to a new adress. The source is a 3390-3 and the target is 3390-9. My question is do I need to add the parm FULL along with the COPY and ADMIN ALLDATA(*) ALLEXCP COPYVOLID PURGE statements? In the past years I did not use the FULL command and it worked okay. Is there a danger not using it? Thanks. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: QUESTION ABOUT COPY COMMAND - DFDSS
My 1.11 copy of the DSS Storage Admin manual states that FULL is the default. Does your manual say something different? Are you copying each 3390-3 to a different 3390-9 or all four to a single 3390-9? If the latter, you might be better off with a dataset copy specifying all datasets and the four volumes rather than four separate volume copies. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of John Dawes Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 8:35 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: QUESTION ABOUT COPY COMMAND - DFDSS G'Day, We are in the process of freeing a controller and I need to move 4 volumes off it. I plan to used DFDSS to copy the volume to a new adress. The source is a 3390-3 and the target is 3390-9. My question is do I need to add the parm FULL along with the COPY and ADMIN ALLDATA(*) ALLEXCP COPYVOLID PURGE statements? In the past years I did not use the FULL command and it worked okay. Is there a danger not using it? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
