IBM Rational Developer for System z with EGL V8.0.3 - Clarification
Hi, I have downloaded the below three files to install RDz but I dont find the FEKSETUP job to configure the Z/os end : 1) *IBM Rational Developer for System z with EGL V8.0.3 (Core) Multilingual Multiplatform eAssembly (CRG26ML)* * * *2) IBM Rational Developer for System z V8.0.3 Quick Start Guide Multilingual Multiplatform (CI31EML).* * * *3) IBM Rational Developer for System z V8.0.3 EGL Main Install Multilingual Multiplatform (CI31FML)* * * has anyone installed the above product. Quick Start guide just says about the configuring the FEKSETUP job but I dont see these files(FEKSETUP) or any source code downloaded. Is this product available as a SMP/E or NON-SMP/E ? Could anyone please shed some light on the above product. jags -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM Rational Developer for System z with EGL V8.0.3 - Clarification
The z/OS part is SMPE installed. There is a separate CD image that has the z/OS Parts. There is also a separate manual (or at least section of the manual) for z/OS configuration. There are several started tasks to configure as well. Not hard to setup. _ Dave Jousma Assistant Vice President, Mainframe Services david.jou...@53.com 1830 East Paris, Grand Rapids, MI 49546 MD RSCB2H p 616.653.8429 f 616.653.2717 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of jagadishan perumal Sent: Monday, March 19, 2012 4:34 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: IBM Rational Developer for System z with EGL V8.0.3 - Clarification Hi, I have downloaded the below three files to install RDz but I dont find the FEKSETUP job to configure the Z/os end : 1) *IBM Rational Developer for System z with EGL V8.0.3 (Core) Multilingual Multiplatform eAssembly (CRG26ML)* * * *2) IBM Rational Developer for System z V8.0.3 Quick Start Guide Multilingual Multiplatform (CI31EML).* * * *3) IBM Rational Developer for System z V8.0.3 EGL Main Install Multilingual Multiplatform (CI31FML)* * * has anyone installed the above product. Quick Start guide just says about the configuring the FEKSETUP job but I dont see these files(FEKSETUP) or any source code downloaded. Is this product available as a SMP/E or NON-SMP/E ? Could anyone please shed some light on the above product. jags This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate it in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. Please reply to the message immediately by informing the sender that the message was misdirected. After replying, please erase it from your computer system. Your assistance in correcting this error is appreciated. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
IBM Rational Developer for System z
I asked Someone Who Would Know, and was told that it's an offering from a different division than the one that offers the traditional zPDT. It seems to have blindsided some folks (the usual IBM is many different companies syndrome!). To qualify you have to have a System z CPU and license the Rational package for the mainframe. So it's not for hobbyists, but rather sounds like it's for serious shops with serious Rational developers to be able to do some hardcore tinkering. -- ...phsiii Phil Smith III p...@voltage.com Voltage Security, Inc. www.voltage.com (703) 476-4511 (home office) (703) 568-6662 (cell) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM Rational Developer for System z
Redbooks about z/PDT System z Personal Development Tool: Volume 1 Introduction and Reference, SG24-7721-01 http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg247721.html?Open System z Personal Development Tool: Volume 2 Installation and Basic Use, SG24-7722-01 http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg247722.html?Open IBM System z Personal Development Tool: Volume 3 Additional Topics, SG24-7723-01 http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg247723.html?Open Mike Stayton z/OS Communications Server m...@us.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM Rational Developer for System z
On 16 June 2010 01:48, Timothy Sipples timothy.sipp...@us.ibm.com wrote: Please bear in mind that I do not speak for IBM officially, so ask your IBM representative. However, my personal assessment follows. Tony Harminc writes: Suppose I have three developers, Alice, Bob, and Carol, and they all want to use a single Intel machine configured with the minimum of whatever it takes to be properly licensed to do z/OS development and testing. (For the sake of this discussion, let's assume that none of the activities crosses the line into production work of any kind, however vaguely that may be defined.) It's not vague at all, in my opinion. It's one of the clearer explanations of permitted uses I've seen, actually. The announcement says ...may not be used for production workloads of any kind, nor robust development workloads including without limitation production module builds, pre-production testing, stress testing, or performance testing. You may think that clear, but I think it's entirely open to IBM to redefine anything they don't like to fit in to the exclusion list. Why IBM wants to base its licensing on what customers choose to use their hardware and software for, rather than just selling MIPS and getting out of the way, is an interesting question that isn't likely to get answered here. It's obvious that it has led to grief in the past, and doubtless will do so again. Even the airlines don't try to say if you are flying on this discounted fare, it is a condition of carriage that you may not fly to a business meeting, but only for purposes of personal or family vacation, and only if during your vacation you do not at any time take a phone call from work. Rather, they try to add features that appeal to business travellers to the higher fares, and in various ways make it difficult for them to take advantage of the lower fares. That said, if Eve the system programmer accesses RDz Unit Test in order (for example) to set up and/or configure Alice/Bob/Carol/Don's unit test environment, yes, Eve would need licenses for both RDz and RDz Unit Test. She's a user. In software licensing there's no such thing as smoking but not inhaling. :-) So would she need a separate licence for each machine/dongle in the shop, or does one cover all her sysprog tasks on each small group's or individual's machine? I imagine you're going to tell me it's clear... I also think it's quite unrealistic to think that these machines won't need sysprog help. IBM has worked hard on dumbing down the sysprog's job for decades, but the marketing aspect of that has always led the reality by quite a bit. Your average COBOL (or Java for that matter) programmer, will not really know what to do when s/he gets an S0C6 in RACF when submitting that COBOL compile. But let's add in Maude now. Maude provides z/OS help desk support at Eve's company. If Alice calls Maude and asks for help, and Maude provides telephone support, does Maude need a license? No. She's not accessing RDz Unit Test, she's not using it, she doesn't have a session to it -- she doesn't need a license. If Maude stands over Alice's shoulder, watches, and verbally suggests courses of action as Alice works (Alice's permitted uses), does Maude need a license? Still no. If Maude yanks the keyboard from Alice's hands and starts typing into TSO (on RDz Unit Test), does Maude need a license? Yes. If Maude then goes to Starbucks, buys a decaf latte, turns on her iPad, and... Oh, never mind. :-) Very funny. Support means that you can open PMRs on RDz Unit Test container issues. For example, if you have trouble installing RDz Unit Test, you can open a PMR. But if you're trying to figure out why your JCL isn't running in the Unit Test environment, no, that's not eligible for a PMR. How about that S0C6 that doesn't happen on the production machine? How about an MVS integrity exposure? Oh come on - I'm not suggesting any improper use; I'm trying to find out how many licences for what components are required and what *is* proper use. I think the language is pretty darn clear and rather common throughout the IT industry. Licensing concepts like user and permitted uses certainly are not new, especially for application development. They are quite new to the IBM mainframe world. Licensing per seat has been around for a long time for application software in certain industries, but this increasingly detailed specification of the nature of the workloads you can run is new to z/OS. Sure - I get the general idea, however ill-specified. But might it even be the case that only development based on actually using the desktop portion of IBM Rational Developer for System z with EGL or IBM Rational Developer for System z with Java is permitted? GUI good - green-screen bad? Does it say that? I don't know if it is trying to say that. You keep telling me it's clear, but it's not. This is part of the problem of bundling together unrelated software components. I can easily
Re: IBM Rational Developer for System z
On 15 June 2010 01:14, Timothy Sipples timothy.sipp...@us.ibm.com wrote: Tony Harminc writes: The part that's not clear to me is that the Rational Developer for System z Unit Test environment clearly supports multiple users, but it sounds as though each user must have a separately licensed copy of the prereq Rational Developer for System z. Is this a technical or a licensing requirement? If it's a technical requirement, and I don't need the function of Rational Developer for System z, then can I run multiple users with just one licence (or none)? If it's a licensing requirement, then are the TsCs broken instantly if, for example, a TSO user logs on for a few seconds to check the status of a job, but the first user hasn't logged off yet? And can multiple users remotely submit batch jobs to run at the same time without having a local Rational Developer for System z licence? I don't think this is complicated, but perhaps I'm missing your question. Let me try again with a detailed example: Suppose I have three developers, Alice, Bob, and Carol, and they all want to use a single Intel machine configured with the minimum of whatever it takes to be properly licensed to do z/OS development and testing. (For the sake of this discussion, let's assume that none of the activities crosses the line into production work of any kind, however vaguely that may be defined.) They have no interest in Windows desktop features or similar bells whistles supplied with any of the Rational products; they want to logon to TSO using TN3270 and edit, compile, and test their programs, written in, say PL/I and assembler. They all want to use this single machine at the same time, which is clearly a supported thing to do. The IBM Rational Developer for System z Unit Test environment can be assigned to a single developer in a small system configuration, or can support small-scale team environment on a server platform. How many licences for the prerequisite IBM Rational Developer for System z with EGL or IBM Rational Developer for System z with Java are required? I assume three, even though they will sit on the shelf. Unless there's a component of these prereq products that has to be installed on the server. How many licences for IBM Rational Developer for System z Unit Test (Standard or Specialty) are required? Three more? How many 1091 hardware keys (dongles) are required? Just one for the single machine? What defines a user of the z/OS system? If a fourth developer, Don, who is not licensed for any of these Rational products on any platform, submits a batch compile job to z/OS using FTP from his Windows desktop, is he a user? What if Carol's compile job output is routed (via RJE) to Don's desktop so he can look at it? What if Eve, the system programmer, who does no application development or testing, needs to logon to check or correct a z/OS problem. Does she need a licence for the Rational products? Are the z/OS components and features supported? The announcement seems to say they are and they aren't. The included IBM software products are provided for development purposes only on an as-is basis. No support is provided for the included software. IBM includes one year of Software Subscription and Support (also referred to as Software Maintenance) with each program license acquired for the System z Personal Development Toolkit portion of the offering, which creates the virtual System z environment. If the first statement is correct, how does one get support for z/OS problems? Is it necessary to reproduce the problem on a Real machine? According to what I'm reading, if you want to access Rational Developer for System z Unit Test feature, these two things (among others) must be true: 1. You must have a license for Rational Developer for System z (and the Unit Test feature). If it's technically possible to access the Unit Test feature without a license, that's immaterial: you must have a license. Time of day, minute in the hour, and whether you prefer baseball or cricket do not matter: you must have a license. Oh come on - I'm not suggesting any improper use; I'm trying to find out how many licences for what components are required and what *is* proper use. 2. When you access the Unit Test feature, you may only do so for specific permitted purposes. Running your company's weekly payroll is not one of those permitted purposes. Code changes and unit test for that payroll application probably are permitted. Sure - I get the general idea, however ill-specified. But might it even be the case that only development based on actually using the desktop portion of IBM Rational Developer for System z with EGL or IBM Rational Developer for System z with Java is permitted? GUI good - green-screen bad? Just read the announcement letter and ask your IBM representative (in writing) if you still have questions. (But is this hard? I don't think so.) I've been reading IBM announcement letters and licence agreements for over 30
Re: IBM Rational Developer for System z
Please bear in mind that I do not speak for IBM officially, so ask your IBM representative. However, my personal assessment follows. Tony Harminc writes: Suppose I have three developers, Alice, Bob, and Carol, and they all want to use a single Intel machine configured with the minimum of whatever it takes to be properly licensed to do z/OS development and testing. (For the sake of this discussion, let's assume that none of the activities crosses the line into production work of any kind, however vaguely that may be defined.) It's not vague at all, in my opinion. It's one of the clearer explanations of permitted uses I've seen, actually. They have no interest in Windows desktop features or similar bells whistles supplied with any of the Rational products; they want to logon to TSO using TN3270 and edit, compile, and test their programs, written in, say PL/I and assembler. They all want to use this single machine at the same time, which is clearly a supported thing to do. The IBM Rational Developer for System z Unit Test environment can be assigned to a single developer in a small system configuration, or can support small-scale team environment on a server platform. How many licences for the prerequisite IBM Rational Developer for System z with EGL or IBM Rational Developer for System z with Java are required? I assume three, even though they will sit on the shelf. Unless there's a component of these prereq products that has to be installed on the server. Yes, three. How many licences for IBM Rational Developer for System z Unit Test (Standard or Specialty) are required? Three more? Yes. Three users, three licenses. (And there's some information in there about sessions which is worth reading.) How many 1091 hardware keys (dongles) are required? Just one for the single machine? Yes, if you have only one machine then one 1091 hardware key would be sufficient. That's one of the reasons there's a separate part number for the hardware key. What defines a user of the z/OS system? If a fourth developer, Don, who is not licensed for any of these Rational products on any platform, submits a batch compile job to z/OS using FTP from his Windows desktop, is he a user? Of course! Don also needs a Windows license. What if Carol's compile job output is routed (via RJE) to Don's desktop so he can look at it? What if Eve, the system programmer, who does no application development or testing, needs to logon to check or correct a z/OS problem. Does she need a licence for the Rational products? Assuming it's a permitted use, Don would need licenses to both RDz and RDz Unit Test. Eve would certainly need a license for the Rational products if a permitted use. But logon to check or correct a z/OS problem? If (for example) she's trying to debug a production problem or pre-production test problem on her company's mainframe, that would not be a permitted use of RDz Unit Test, and she would need to do that work solely on her company's mainframe (in a test LPAR, presumably, with commercially licensed z/OS). The product is called Rational Developer for System z Unit Test feature, not RDz General Purpose Mainframe feature. In particular, it's not to be used for all testing or even for most testing. I would find it hard to imagine that the company's system programmers would be accessing RDz Unit Test at all. That's part of the point of the product, actually. Some organizations have built up so much bureaucratic baggage that application developers can't get their jobs done as effectively as they should. It's not the technology's fault -- there's no technical impediment to letting application development teams manage at least a subset of development LPAR (s) -- but RDz Unit Test feature offers another option for such organizations which, frankly, are at least a little dysfunctional. (And an option for perfectly well-organized, savvy organizations, too.) That said, if Eve the system programmer accesses RDz Unit Test in order (for example) to set up and/or configure Alice/Bob/Carol/Don's unit test environment, yes, Eve would need licenses for both RDz and RDz Unit Test. She's a user. In software licensing there's no such thing as smoking but not inhaling. :-) But let's add in Maude now. Maude provides z/OS help desk support at Eve's company. If Alice calls Maude and asks for help, and Maude provides telephone support, does Maude need a license? No. She's not accessing RDz Unit Test, she's not using it, she doesn't have a session to it -- she doesn't need a license. If Maude stands over Alice's shoulder, watches, and verbally suggests courses of action as Alice works (Alice's permitted uses), does Maude need a license? Still no. If Maude yanks the keyboard from Alice's hands and starts typing into TSO (on RDz Unit Test), does Maude need a license? Yes. If Maude then goes to Starbucks, buys a decaf latte, turns on her iPad, and... Oh, never mind. :-) Are the z/OS components and features supported? The announcement seems
Re: IBM Rational Developer for System z
Tony Harminc writes: The part that's not clear to me is that the Rational Developer for System z Unit Test environment clearly supports multiple users, but it sounds as though each user must have a separately licensed copy of the prereq Rational Developer for System z. Is this a technical or a licensing requirement? If it's a technical requirement, and I don't need the function of Rational Developer for System z, then can I run multiple users with just one licence (or none)? If it's a licensing requirement, then are the TsCs broken instantly if, for example, a TSO user logs on for a few seconds to check the status of a job, but the first user hasn't logged off yet? And can multiple users remotely submit batch jobs to run at the same time without having a local Rational Developer for System z licence? I don't think this is complicated, but perhaps I'm missing your question. According to what I'm reading, if you want to access Rational Developer for System z Unit Test feature, these two things (among others) must be true: 1. You must have a license for Rational Developer for System z (and the Unit Test feature). If it's technically possible to access the Unit Test feature without a license, that's immaterial: you must have a license. Time of day, minute in the hour, and whether you prefer baseball or cricket do not matter: you must have a license. 2. When you access the Unit Test feature, you may only do so for specific permitted purposes. Running your company's weekly payroll is not one of those permitted purposes. Code changes and unit test for that payroll application probably are permitted. Just read the announcement letter and ask your IBM representative (in writing) if you still have questions. (But is this hard? I don't think so.) - - - - - Timothy Sipples Resident Architect (Based in Singapore) STG Value Creation and Complex Deals Team IBM Growth Markets E-Mail: timothy.sipp...@us.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM Rational Developer for System z
Here's the link to the Rational Developer for System z Unit Test announcement: http://www.ibm.com/common/ssi/rep_ca/4/897/ENUS210-194/ENUS210-194.PDF The announcement lists all the relevant part numbers. They're available worldwide. (Well, excluding a small number of countries such as North Korea.) ...what does it mean when they say The Rational Developer for System z Unit Test environment requires a copy of either Rational Developer for System z with EGL or Rational Developer for System z with Java to install and operate for each user.? It means just what it says, that the Rational Developer for System z Unit Test feature requires Rational Developer for System z. (And there are two flavors of RDz available.) - - - - - Timothy Sipples Resident Architect (Based in Singapore) STG Value Creation and Complex Deals Team IBM Growth Markets E-Mail: timothy.sipp...@us.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM Rational Developer for System z
On 13 June 2010 23:18, Timothy Sipples timothy.sipp...@us.ibm.com wrote: ...what does it mean when they say The Rational Developer for System z Unit Test environment requires a copy of either Rational Developer for System z with EGL or Rational Developer for System z with Java to install and operate for each user.? It means just what it says, that the Rational Developer for System z Unit Test feature requires Rational Developer for System z. (And there are two flavors of RDz available.) The part that's not clear to me is that the Rational Developer for System z Unit Test environment clearly supports multiple users, but it sounds as though each user must have a separately licensed copy of the prereq Rational Developer for System z. Is this a technical or a licensing requirement? If it's a technical requirement, and I don't need the function of Rational Developer for System z, then can I run multiple users with just one licence (or none)? If it's a licensing requirement, then are the TsCs broken instantly if, for example, a TSO user logs on for a few seconds to check the status of a job, but the first user hasn't logged off yet? And can multiple users remotely submit batch jobs to run at the same time without having a local Rational Developer for System z licence? I think this calls for some examples. Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM Rational Developer for System z
john_w_gilm...@msn.com (john gilmore) writes: None of this is altruistic, but neither is it reprehensible. It is business as usual. IBM has always repudiated the notion that it is an eleemosynary organization. recent post in a.f.c. http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2010j.html#34 Idiotic progrmaming style edicts in the 60s, most systems were leases and monthly charges were based on number of shifts recorded by the system meter. the system meter would run whenever there the processor and/or i/o was active ... and would continue to coast for 400milliseconds after everything had gone quiet (i.e. everything had to be quiet for at least 400milliseconds before the system meter actually stopped). one of the challenges for cp67 use in 7x24 operation for online commercial timesharing service bureaus was figuring out an i/o programming hack for terminal connections and dialup so that system was available for incoming characters/connections but the system meter wouldn't being running if nothing was actually happening (commercial timesharing service bureaus recovered their operational expenses from use charges ... but encouraging offshift use had to leave system available 7x24 ... but also minimize operational expenses ... like system meter ... during those periods when useage tended to be low; another area of reducing off-shift expenses was drastically reducing/eliminating requirement for human operator). however, the pok favorite son operating system had something that would wakeup every 400milliseconds, even when nothing else was going on (this continued long after customers had been converted to purchased systems); aka the only way to stop the system meter would be to manually push the STOP buttom (or shutdown). misc. past posts mentioning virtual machine based online commercial timesharing service bureaus http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/submain.html#timeshare this has some overlap with recent thread mentioning that those commercial operations also needed fairly high level of security ... since there was a lot of open use ... even from fierce business competitors using the same machine concurrently. -- 42yrs virtualization experience (since Jan68), online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM Rational Developer for System z
About my contention that IBM's increasing intrusiveness is not malicious, that it is instead a byproduct of its attempts at mainframe market segmentation, Tony Harminc writes: | I agree. Nonetheless I find the increasing intrusiveness | annoying and fear the inevitable second order effects. This concession brings us into all but complete substantive agreement. This intrusiveness is annoying, not least because it will will not achieve its objective. Our agreement does not, however, encompass some of Tony's terminology. I do not really think it is appropriate to describe IBM as psychopathic, i.e., as exhibiting psychological pathology. It is a corporation not a person; and it is seldom helpful to apply terminology devised to describe human behavior to corporate behavior. (The fiction that corporations are legal persons has had many unfortunate consequences, not least the recent Supreme Court decision that their freedom of speech is abridged when their [election] campaign contributions are regulated.) Tony's other point, that litigation is no proper remedy for technical inadequacy, is a very important one. If IBM wishes to pursue some market-segmentation objective by limiting the classes of work that can be done by a Ziip or Zaap, let it do so using the technical means at its disposal. Even more important, let it seek further technical remedies for the exposed inadequacies of these technical means. In particular, to sue a small organization that succeeds in circumventing these means--assuming always that no breach of trust, violation of an NDA or the like, is involved---is unworthy, even ridiculous. It should have been obvious at the outset that such attempts would be made, and a scheme or schemes that lent themselves to penetration should have been rejected out of hand and/or replaced once it had been penetrated. An encryption scheme is an obvious and appropriate analogue. One that does not provide secure communications is replaced by a better one; and the alternatiive of attempting to protect, i.e., avoid replacing, a blown one using lawsuits or prosecutions would be ludicrously misconceived. John Gilmore Ashland, MA 01721-1817 USA _ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM Rational Developer for System z
I don't know where John got the pricing (I didn't look too deeply), but I wonder if this is to be offered in all regions, or just the 'states ?. Queries regarding a zPDT (original - er classic, er maybe we should be calling it legacy now ?) were met with a flat *NO* in Aus. Shane ... On Fri, Jun 11th, 2010 at 2:40 AM, McKown, John wrote: http://www-01.ibm.com/software/awdtools/rdz/unit_test.html zPDT development environment for MSRP of US $5,670.00 to run z/OS, compilers (COBOL, PL/I, HLASM, C/C++), DB2, IMS, and CICS/TS on an x86. But it says it is an add-on feature to IBM Rational Developer for System z with Java or IBM Rational Developer for System z with EGL. And I don't know how much that costs. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM Rational Developer for System z
On 11 June 2010 02:13, Shane Ginnane ibm-m...@tpg.com.au wrote: I don't know where John got the pricing (I didn't look too deeply), but I wonder if this is to be offered in all regions, or just the 'states ?. Queries regarding a zPDT (original - er classic, er maybe we should be calling it legacy now ?) were met with a flat *NO* in Aus. The big non technical difference is that the original zPDT is strictly for Partnerworld members, but this new offering seems to be directed at regular customers. And yet again IBM is trying to prescribe in ever more detail what kind of computing you can do on your system. Sure wouldn't want any of that robust development to happen on this box... I'd want to read the fine print very carefully - for example, how long do those z/OS licences last, and what does it mean when they say The Rational Developer for System z Unit Test environment requires a copy of either Rational Developer for System z with EGL or Rational Developer for System z with Java to install and operate for each user.? Anyway - so far this is the closest to a hobbyist system IBM has to offer. I wonder if just anyone can order one, i.e. do you have to have existing Real Iron? Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM Rational Developer for System z
My guess is you do, because production compiles are not allowed on the rPDT (no, I don't think that's the official name, but it works here). And no, I have no idea how they decide that you've done a production compile! On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 12:16 PM, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net wrote: On 11 June 2010 02:13, Shane Ginnane ibm-m...@tpg.com.au wrote: I don't know where John got the pricing (I didn't look too deeply), but I wonder if this is to be offered in all regions, or just the 'states ?. Queries regarding a zPDT (original - er classic, er maybe we should be calling it legacy now ?) were met with a flat *NO* in Aus. The big non technical difference is that the original zPDT is strictly for Partnerworld members, but this new offering seems to be directed at regular customers. And yet again IBM is trying to prescribe in ever more detail what kind of computing you can do on your system. Sure wouldn't want any of that robust development to happen on this box... I'd want to read the fine print very carefully - for example, how long do those z/OS licences last, and what does it mean when they say The Rational Developer for System z Unit Test environment requires a copy of either Rational Developer for System z with EGL or Rational Developer for System z with Java to install and operate for each user.? Anyway - so far this is the closest to a hobbyist system IBM has to offer. I wonder if just anyone can order one, i.e. do you have to have existing Real Iron? Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- zMan -- I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM Rational Developer for System z
Tony Harminc wrote: | And yet again IBM is trying to prescribe in ever more | detail what kind of computing you can do on your | system. I do not think that is quite right. I don't think the intrusiveness is intended. It is a byproduct. What it seems to me that IBM is trying to do is to provide lower-cost mechanisms for developing and running notionally new z/Architecture applications without at the same time compromising its revenue flows from legacy mainframe cash cows. (Many of these new applications turn out, in my experience anyway, to be the same old ill-conceived and badly written COBOL applications rewritten in equally bad Java.) None of this is altruistic, but neither is it reprehensible. It is business as usual. IBM has always repudiated the notion that it is an eleemosynary organization. John Gilmore Ashland, MA 01721-1817 USA _ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM Rational Developer for System z
Most businesses and even governments are run primarily to benefit the people who own them in fact rather than in theory. All else is rhetoric, legalese, obfuscation, and legerdemain. If I owned a billion-dollar organization, I would do precisely the same. Bill Fairchild Software Developer Rocket Software 275 Grove Street * Newton, MA 02466-2272 * USA Tel: +1.617.614.4503 * Mobile: +1.508.341.1715 Email: bi...@mainstar.com Web: www.rocketsoftware.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of john gilmore Sent: Friday, June 11, 2010 12:27 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: IBM Rational Developer for System z ... It is business as usual. IBM has always repudiated the notion that it is an eleemosynary organization. John Gilmore Ashland, MA 01721-1817 USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM Rational Developer for System z
On 11 June 2010 13:27, john gilmore john_w_gilm...@msn.com wrote: Tony Harminc wrote: | And yet again IBM is trying to prescribe in ever more | detail what kind of computing you can do on your system. I do not think that is quite right. I don't think the intrusiveness is intended. It is a byproduct. I agree. Nonetheless I find the increased intrusiveness annoying, and fear the inevitable second order effects. What it seems to me that IBM is trying to do is to provide lower-cost mechanisms for developing and running notionally new z/Architecture applications without at the same time compromising its revenue flows from legacy mainframe cash cows. Certainly. This is the much discussed market segmentation -- seen most famously in airline ticket prices -- on which business school case studies abound. Like most customers/victims of such segmentation, no matter how rational I find it, I am irritated far beyond that rational view. (Many of these new applications turn out, in my experience anyway, to be the same old ill-conceived and badly written COBOL applications rewritten in equally bad Java.) (Many of them use very much more CPU time, as well, which may negate the newly cheaper machines. But I digress...) None of this is altruistic, but neither is it reprehensible. It is business as usual. IBM has always repudiated the notion that it is an eleemosynary organization. IBM, like all large business corporations, is a psychopath. The claim sounds inflamatory, but it is neither new nor unreasonable, and is something all of us who've worked for a large corporation have known in some sense for all our working lives. http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2004/oct/24/politics.money (Which of course says nothing about the many IBMers I have known over the decades who are nice, ordinary, friendly and helpful individuals.) But IBM's business as usual inevitably involves unpleasant methods to enforce their business models. Being specific and intrusive about the workloads that may be run on a particular system is perhaps better than failing to specify, relying on inadequate technical measures to enforce the segmentation, and then suing providers of services that allow working around the technology. It is all indeed a byproduct, but one that is unlikely to go away. Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
IBM Rational Developer for System z
http://www-01.ibm.com/software/awdtools/rdz/unit_test.html zPDT development environment for MSRP of US $5,670.00 to run z/OS, compilers (COBOL, PL/I, HLASM, C/C++), DB2, IMS, and CICS/TS on an x86. But it says it is an add-on feature to IBM Rational Developer for System z with Java or IBM Rational Developer for System z with EGL. And I don't know how much that costs. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-961-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: IBM Rational Developer for System z
Yes, the Rational Developer for System z Unit Test Feature should prove quite useful to many developers. Here's some more information: http://www.ibm.com/software/rational/cafe/community/cobol/rdzut Another new option is the System z Solution Edition for Application Development: http://www.ibm.com/systems/z/solutions/editions/appdev/index.html System z Solution Edition offerings are available either as a dedicated System z machine or as a virtual solution (LPAR) added to an existing System z environment. And there are the System z Remote Development Programs: http://www.ibm.com/isv/iic/rdp/zosdrdp.html Please note carefully the terms and conditions for each of these offerings. All of these three offerings share a common goal: to make it easier, faster, and more affordable to develop new applications for z/OS. - - - - - Timothy Sipples Resident Architect (Based in Singapore) STG Value Creation and Complex Deals Team IBM Growth Markets E-Mail: timothy.sipp...@us.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Rational Developer for System z
John Chase writes: That's how I _had_ RDz running, but after 60 days it refused to start unless I provided a product key for it. Our shop purchased only enough keys for our applications folks to use it. Just to clarify, when you order the CICS Service Flow Feature you should be receiving one full function RDz license, including a non-expiring product key. If that's not the case, please check with IBM. Now, if somebody from your application development team stole your license, that's another problem. :-) I agree with the other poster concerning PC resources for RDz. Actually the PC processor is less important, but you certainly do want a decent amount of RAM. Take the published product requirements seriously, and add more RAM if you can. I also agree with the poster who mentioned that RDz does not require SCLM. Although I'm sure IBM would be delighted if you use SCLM, in fact you can tie RDz into other source libraries using its CARMA (Common Access Repository Manager) interface. Also, if you use CA-Endevor I believe you can download and use CA's plug-in for Eclipse. (RDz is built on the Eclipse framework.) Check with CA if that's your situation. Personally I'm not fond of product keys, and IBM generally isn't either, but some of the Rational products are the exceptions that prove the rule. - - - - - Timothy Sipples IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect Specializing in Software Architectures Related to System z Based in Tokyo, Serving IBM Japan and IBM Asia-Pacific E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Rational Developer for System z
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Timothy Sipples John Chase writes: That's how I _had_ RDz running, but after 60 days it refused to start unless I provided a product key for it. Our shop purchased only enough keys for our applications folks to use it. Just to clarify, when you order the CICS Service Flow Feature you should be receiving one full function RDz license, including a non-expiring product key. If that's not the case, please check with IBM. I suppose I could re-order the CICS SFF and see what comes with it. Since it's a no-charge feature in the first place, it shouldn't cost anything to re-order. We chose electronic delivery the first time; maybe that's why there was no product key for RDz? We received NO physical media of any kind; not even a piece of paper. Now, if somebody from your application development team stole your license, that's another problem. :-) Not a chance. :-) -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Rational Developer for System z
Just to lay out some more options I previously posted here some information on a test drive that's now available for Rational Developer for System z. If you'd like to use it a couple times for 3 hours at a time, that might be an option. If you are a CICS Transaction Server V3.x customer, you can order the no charge Service Flow Feature and receive one RDz license at no charge, sans support, as a marketing promotion. I think you can safely assume that you'd get access to RDz -- simply the new version of WDz -- through that program you cite. Occasionally you'll find stray references to old product names. Any program targeted at developers is quite likely to offer the latest and greatest. But go ahead and ask the primary contact(s) if you'd like to be sure. It sounds like a very good deal. The U.S. Web price is $5760 for a full RDz commercial license. You can find that price (and even order) right on the RDz homepage. That includes the first year of subscription and support. So, at least for U.S. buyers, it's a fair amount below the $6500 you mentioned. You also have the choice of buying from a software reseller -- just give them the part number you want, which is probably D61EULL. They might offer something below $5760. There are also discounts if you're moving to RDz from older or subset products, like VisualAge Generator or Rational Application Developer. Hope that helps. - - - - - Timothy Sipples IBM Consulting Enterprise Software Architect Specializing in Software Architectures Related to System z Based in Tokyo, Serving IBM Japan and IBM Asia-Pacific E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Rational Developer for System z
Graham: We have installed and are currently testing r/DZ. There are a couple of things that you should know: 1) The mainframe COBOL piece of r/DZ *requires* SCLM to function. If you are one of the four or five shops that actually use SCLM, this won't be a problem. It has been a major pain for us, however. SCLM is convoluted, poorly documented, difficult to set up, and counterintuitve. Not to mention, the ancillary products that make SCLM functional are quite expensive. 2) If you use CICS BMS exclusively, then r/DZ will be fine. If, however (as we do), you use SDF2 to create your CICS screens, you will have problems, because, despite SDF2 being an IBM product, there is absolutely no interface between SDF2 and r/DZ. Each SDF2 map has to be hand-corrected to BMS format before it will be accepted by r/DZ. I leave the associated programming nightmares to your imaginations. That being said, the PC tool itself is slick, and has a lot of nice features for developers. Just don't think that you are getting a bargain, because you are not. James -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Graham Hobbs Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Rational Developer for System z Hello, Acronyms first: WDz = Websphere Developer for System z V7.0 RDz = Rational Developer for System z V7.1 According to an IBM website 'With this new release WDz has been renamed to RDz'. Have been out of the mainframe field (any field that is) for several years now, looking to 'acquire' RDz for a laptop without host connection (at least not for a while) for small development purposes - can't let go:-). Am specifically interested in the COBOL compiler, CICS (whatever it's called these days), CTG, VSAM emulator, DB2 and the current debugger. Not really sure about the IDE or other stuff that seems to go with the package (although David Crayford gave me some clues - thanks - which 10%?). So WDz 7.0 + 1 Version = RDz V7.1 BUT am not sure of the exact differences in the releases (many pages of specs, am working on it). RDz goes for about US$6500. WDz can be had (it seems) via Partnerworld under a thing called IBM Software Access for 1 Year $800 (subsequent years are the same price I think). Not only that, when one looks at the IBM Software Catalog there is tons of heavy stuff out there - all for the one price! Find it hard to understand why RDz isn't there . . or is the single WDz to RDz release upgrade that significant (noting it is a 'release' not a 'version' upgrade). My questions are: a) is there anybody in a similiar position as myself. b) anybody involved in this 'isolated' use of RDz or WDz. I am sorry about the generality of the foregoing but any comments would be appreciated. Many thanks Graham Hobbs P.S. An aside - I followed the FLEX debacle and I know I'm not talking mainframe here, but if the $800 price is true, maybe this goes partway to a pretty cheap solution - or am I off track here (not knowing what FLEX'ers were doing). P.P.S. If RDz (or WDz) comes to pass for me, am really quite scared about installing all that stuff, but will save these questions for later . . -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Rational Developer for System z
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Graham Hobbs Hello, Acronyms first: WDz = Websphere Developer for System z V7.0 RDz = Rational Developer for System z V7.1 According to an IBM website 'With this new release WDz has been renamed to RDz'. Have been out of the mainframe field (any field that is) for several years now, looking to 'acquire' RDz for a laptop without host connection (at least not for a while) for small development purposes - can't let go:-). [ snip ] P.P.S. If RDz (or WDz) comes to pass for me, am really quite scared about installing all that stuff, but will save these questions for later . . Can't tell you very much about RDz (nee WDz); some of our application developers use it for CICS Web Services development activities. One thing I _can_ tell you is to ensure that your laptop has L-O-T-S of RAM (I'd suggest 2GiB minimum) and a F-A-S-T cpu, or be prepared to observe the equivalent of an arthritic turtle slogging through cold molasses. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Rational Developer for System z
Well, if anybody's interested in an irrational developer, call me! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Rational Developer for System z
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Timothy Sipples Just to lay out some more options I previously posted here some information on a test drive that's now available for Rational Developer for System z. If you'd like to use it a couple times for 3 hours at a time, that might be an option. If you are a CICS Transaction Server V3.x customer, you can order the no charge Service Flow Feature and receive one RDz license at no charge, sans support, as a marketing promotion. That's how I _had_ RDz running, but after 60 days it refused to start unless I provided a product key for it. Our shop purchased only enough keys for our applications folks to use it. Works a treat for creating CICS Web Service wrapper programs, though. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Rational Developer for System z
#? From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Doc Farmer Sent: Wed 6/4/2008 8:33 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Rational Developer for System z Well, if anybody's interested in an irrational developer, call me! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Rational Developer for System z
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of James Robinson Graham: We have installed and are currently testing r/DZ. There are a couple of things that you should know: 1) The mainframe COBOL piece of r/DZ *requires* SCLM to function. If you are one of the four or five shops that actually use SCLM, this won't be a problem. It has been a major pain for us, however. In what way(s) does RDz _require_ SCLM? We have RDz, mainframe COBOL and don't do SCLM (didn't even install the SCLM FMID for RDz). We use RDz for CICS Webservices and Service Flow development. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Rational Developer for System z
From other notes, it looks like the SCLM problem may NOT be a real problem, HOWEVER, I did want to remind any/all SHARE members who either have RDz or are evaluating it, that the LNGC project of SHARE is now accepting (and processing) SHARE requirements against RDz. Please, if you are a SHARE member and have enhancement suggestions (or even bug fixes - for things working as MIS-designed) please submit requirements in the LNGC project to bring these to IBM's attention. James Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]... Graham: We have installed and are currently testing r/DZ. There are a couple of things that you should know: 1) The mainframe COBOL piece of r/DZ *requires* SCLM to function. If you are one of the four or five shops that actually use SCLM, this won't be a problem. It has been a major pain for us, however. SCLM is convoluted, poorly documented, difficult to set up, and counterintuitve. Not to mention, the ancillary products that make SCLM functional are quite expensive. 2) If you use CICS BMS exclusively, then r/DZ will be fine. If, however (as we do), you use SDF2 to create your CICS screens, you will have problems, because, despite SDF2 being an IBM product, there is absolutely no interface between SDF2 and r/DZ. Each SDF2 map has to be hand-corrected to BMS format before it will be accepted by r/DZ. I leave the associated programming nightmares to your imaginations. That being said, the PC tool itself is slick, and has a lot of nice features for developers. Just don't think that you are getting a bargain, because you are not. James -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Graham Hobbs Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Rational Developer for System z Hello, Acronyms first: WDz = Websphere Developer for System z V7.0 RDz = Rational Developer for System z V7.1 According to an IBM website 'With this new release WDz has been renamed to RDz'. Have been out of the mainframe field (any field that is) for several years now, looking to 'acquire' RDz for a laptop without host connection (at least not for a while) for small development purposes - can't let go:-). Am specifically interested in the COBOL compiler, CICS (whatever it's called these days), CTG, VSAM emulator, DB2 and the current debugger. Not really sure about the IDE or other stuff that seems to go with the package (although David Crayford gave me some clues - thanks - which 10%?). So WDz 7.0 + 1 Version = RDz V7.1 BUT am not sure of the exact differences in the releases (many pages of specs, am working on it). RDz goes for about US$6500. WDz can be had (it seems) via Partnerworld under a thing called IBM Software Access for 1 Year $800 (subsequent years are the same price I think). Not only that, when one looks at the IBM Software Catalog there is tons of heavy stuff out there - all for the one price! Find it hard to understand why RDz isn't there . . or is the single WDz to RDz release upgrade that significant (noting it is a 'release' not a 'version' upgrade). My questions are: a) is there anybody in a similiar position as myself. b) anybody involved in this 'isolated' use of RDz or WDz. I am sorry about the generality of the foregoing but any comments would be appreciated. Many thanks Graham Hobbs P.S. An aside - I followed the FLEX debacle and I know I'm not talking mainframe here, but if the $800 price is true, maybe this goes partway to a pretty cheap solution - or am I off track here (not knowing what FLEX'ers were doing). P.P.S. If RDz (or WDz) comes to pass for me, am really quite scared about installing all that stuff, but will save these questions for later -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Rational Developer for System z
Hello, Acronyms first: WDz = Websphere Developer for System z V7.0 RDz = Rational Developer for System z V7.1 According to an IBM website 'With this new release WDz has been renamed to RDz'. Have been out of the mainframe field (any field that is) for several years now, looking to 'acquire' RDz for a laptop without host connection (at least not for a while) for small development purposes - can't let go:-). Am specifically interested in the COBOL compiler, CICS (whatever it's called these days), CTG, VSAM emulator, DB2 and the current debugger. Not really sure about the IDE or other stuff that seems to go with the package (although David Crayford gave me some clues - thanks - which 10%?). So WDz 7.0 + 1 Version = RDz V7.1 BUT am not sure of the exact differences in the releases (many pages of specs, am working on it). RDz goes for about US$6500. WDz can be had (it seems) via Partnerworld under a thing called IBM Software Access for 1 Year $800 (subsequent years are the same price I think). Not only that, when one looks at the IBM Software Catalog there is tons of heavy stuff out there - all for the one price! Find it hard to understand why RDz isn't there . . or is the single WDz to RDz release upgrade that significant (noting it is a 'release' not a 'version' upgrade). My questions are: a) is there anybody in a similiar position as myself. b) anybody involved in this 'isolated' use of RDz or WDz. I am sorry about the generality of the foregoing but any comments would be appreciated. Many thanks Graham Hobbs P.S. An aside - I followed the FLEX debacle and I know I'm not talking mainframe here, but if the $800 price is true, maybe this goes partway to a pretty cheap solution - or am I off track here (not knowing what FLEX'ers were doing). P.P.S. If RDz (or WDz) comes to pass for me, am really quite scared about installing all that stuff, but will save these questions for later . . -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Rational Developer for System z
Hi, The fee is to give you access to all of the middleware (and PC) software that IBM makes. You get that access for 1 year, but any software you obtain is yours even after the 1 year expires, although you can't upgrade it. I think that you're probably going from an old version of the software catalog, the new one has RDz V7.1 as being available, although you can also get WDz 6 and 7. The purpose behind the program is to give developers access to the products that they can use to develop their own code for use on the IBM platform, which hopefully would increase interest in the IBM hardware, so it behooves IBM to make it available at the discounted price. It's a good deal if you can use it. You might want to download and install the 60 day trial of RDz first though, and see if it does what you want, why pay the $800 if it turns out you can't really use the software the way you had hoped? You may want to look into the Hercules projects as well. You can get a copy of Hercules and run MVS on it (as in MVS 3.8). You can download a pregenerated version called the Turnkey system (see http://www.bsp-gmbh.com/hercules/ ). Depending on what you want to accomplish it might or might not) be a good idea for you to join. Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
