Re: Hummingbird screen snapshots
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 3:57 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Hummingbird screen snapshots In listserv%200912230934490052.0...@bama.ua.edu, on 12/23/2009 at 09:34 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: Users repeatedly send me Hummingbird screen snapshots as JPEGs, claiming it's all they can do. Usders repeatedly tell me that various software can't do things that I have routinely done for decades, including people who have used that software for years. One reason I don't use Hummingbird. How is Hummingbird responsible for the failure of your users to read their documentation? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT You actually expect people to be able to read? How quaint! grin. Today's IT environment requires that all products be usable by people with minimal knowledge and no interest in learning. That is intuitive computing. If it requires any thought or training, people might want to be paid more! horrors! That would cut into executives' year end bonuses!!! That is simply unacceptable in today's corporate culture. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-961-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Hummingbird screen snapshots
In listserv%200912230934490052.0...@bama.ua.edu, on 12/23/2009 at 09:34 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: Users repeatedly send me Hummingbird screen snapshots as JPEGs, claiming it's all they can do. Usders repeatedly tell me that various software can't do things that I have routinely done for decades, including people who have used that software for years. One reason I don't use Hummingbird. How is Hummingbird responsible for the failure of your users to read their documentation? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Hummingbird screen snapshots
snip But then, I blame Extra! for most things, when I have to use it. /snip You really have to know what bad is to make a comparison. I use to think Extra was bad but they this account went to Secure Agent's 3270 emulator. It REALLY is the bottom of the dung heap! Jack Kelly 202-502-2390 (Office) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Hummingbird screen snapshots
On Mon, Dec 28, 2009 at 11:21 AM, John Kelly john_j_ke...@ao.uscourts.govwrote: You really have to know what bad is to make a comparison. I use to think Extra was bad but they this account went to Secure Agent's 3270 emulator. It REALLY is the bottom of the dung heap! I'm sure you're right. Extra! wins my hatred for its ubiquity, though...! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Solved: Re: Hummingbird screen snapshots
-Original Message- That being the case, Paste ought to be a hierarchic menu, such as: Paste--+-- Plain text | +-- Rich text | +-- Image | +-- Audio | +-- etc. ... with layers outside the capability of the application dimmed. Naw, that'd be too flexible :-) Srsly, sure would be nice!!! Try the following experiment. Select some of a Hummingbird/Extra! Screen and hit Ctrl-C to copy it to the clipboard. Open up a word document. Select Edit/Paste Special... If your set-up is like mine, you will see a list of available formats that can be pasted. Ray Pearce - This email has been scanned for all known viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security Service and the Macro 4 internal virus protection system. . -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Hummingbird screen snapshots
Gil, I don't have Hummingbird, but I do use Rumba and it has a similar 'feature' perhaps Hummingbird has something like this too. Under Options-Edit-Clipboard format, there are several checkboxes for selecting the format of the data that gets cut/pasted such as text, BIFF, Bitmap, Picture etc. I have all of them unchecked except text. Dana -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Hummingbird screen snapshots
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 9:35 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Hummingbird screen snapshots Users repeatedly send me Hummingbird screen snapshots as JPEGs, claiming it's all they can do. Is there no way to capture a Humminbird screen as text? I'm lazy; I want to be able to copy-and-paste, or search for strings in the screen image. One reason I don't use Hummingbird. Thanks, gil Paul, Attached is a textual representation of my Hummingbird version 12.0.0.122 screen. I got it by clicking on Edit, then Select all. Then Edit (again) and Copy. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-961-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html SDSF DA LIH1 (ALL)PAG 3 CPU/L64/ 58 LINE 1-22 (311) COMMAND INPUT ===SCROLL === CSR PREFIX=* DEST=(ALL) OWNER=* SORT=CPU%/D SYSNAME=* NP JOBNAME STEPNAME PROCSTEP JOBIDSYSNAME SRVCLASS CPU% C POS REAL SIO ASID ASIDX EXCP-CNT CPU-TIME SR OWNERTYP PCICS3 PCICS3 CICS STC50308 LIH1 ONLPROD 14.42 NS 72T 623.21 48 0030 117329767942.09PCICS3 STC DTL00044 STEP1 JOB50508 LIH1 DTLFAST9.05 B IN 9382 9.89 133 0085 562981608.70PACI001 JOB IXGLOGR IXGLOGR IEFPROC LIH1 SYSTEM 7.38 NS 75T 0.00 22 0016 176671626.33 STC DFHSMDFHSMDFHSMSTC46621 LIH1 DFHSM 6.71 NS 5690 563.86 156 009C 133118963499.49XASYSSTC IMCM IMCM CICS STC49912 DEV1 ONLMDOF5.57 NS 26T 19.78 150 0096844622 739.23IMCM STC PDRID01D STEP1 JOB50769 LIH1 PRODBATC 5.03 P IN 3259 1266.2 118 0076 1924056 222.34MSTRLI JOB TSH009 $TSPDFT F08VFUYX TSU50640 LIH1 TSO4.69 IN 2180 0.00 166 00A6 6672 9.63TSH009 TSU MCICSF MCICSF CICS STC47346 DEV1 ONLMDOF4.64 NS 27T 247.31 93 005D 2370287 178.60MCICSF STC TCICSF TCICSF CICS STC50557 DEV1 ONLTEST3.71 NS 22T 405.58 134 0086 1266169 141.93TCICSF STC MPRISTLD JS010PS030JOB50810 DEV1 MDOFBATC 2.79 S IN 1035 356.12 106 006A 2830 0.89MDOFLI JOB TCICS3 TCICS3 CICS STC50554 DEV1 ONLTEST2.79 NS 17T 0.00 139 008B 54392 133.16TCICS3 STC PDRIT02D STEP1 JOB50778 LIH1 PRODBATC 2.35 P IN 2654 247.31 137 0089250175 70.25MSTRLI JOB CMF CMF PAS STC36939 DEV1 SYSSTC 1.86 NS 17T 0.00 84 00543066112022.47XASYSSTC QZM1CHIN QZM1CHIN PROCSTEP STC36934 DEV1 STCLO 1.86 IN 1869 0.00 85 0055 676 125.31QZM1 STC CMF CMF PAS STC36826 LIH1 SYSSTC 1.34 NS 20T 0.00 100 00643925888066.36XASYSSTC PPRI001D JS010PS061JOB50808 LIH1 CRITBATC 1.34 H IN 1109 563.86 152 0098 6608 0.50MSTRLI JOB XCFASXCFASIEFPROC LIH1 SYSTEM 1.01 NS 6928 79.146 0006798272 435.54 STC TN3270 TN3270 TN3270 STC36805 LIH1 SYSSTC 1.01 NS 10T 0.00 81 0051 6744442.21XASYSSTC GRS GRSDEV1 SYSTEM 0.93 NS 4619 0.007 0007 10444527.63 STC TCPIPTCPIPTCPIPSTC36901 DEV1 SYSSTC 0.93 NS 6820 0.00 35 0023342026.19BPXROOT STC MXGTMNT MXGTMNT MXGTMNT STC36908 DEV1 STCLO 0.93 NS 255 0.00 64 0040 9 475.97XASYSSTC TCPIPTCPIPTCPIPSTC36779 LIH1 SYSSTC 0.67 NS 3992 0.00 59 003B 375745281.25
Re: Hummingbird screen snapshots
I use Hummingbird and I was able to copy a screen image to Wordpad as unformatted text with paste special. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 10:35 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Hummingbird screen snapshots Users repeatedly send me Hummingbird screen snapshots as JPEGs, claiming it's all they can do. Is there no way to capture a Humminbird screen as text? I'm lazy; I want to be able to copy-and-paste, or search for strings in the screen image. One reason I don't use Hummingbird. Thanks, gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Hummingbird screen snapshots
Yes, just use its 'Save screen to disk' option. It's listed under the File pull-down menu. Mark T. Regan, K8MTR, CTO1 USNR-Retired (1969-1991) From: Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Wed, December 23, 2009 10:34:49 AM Subject: Hummingbird screen snapshots Users repeatedly send me Hummingbird screen snapshots as JPEGs, claiming it's all they can do. Is there no way to capture a Humminbird screen as text? I'm lazy; I want to be able to copy-and-paste, or search for strings in the screen image. One reason I don't use Hummingbird. Thanks, gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Hummingbird screen snapshots
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Users repeatedly send me Hummingbird screen snapshots as JPEGs, claiming it's all they can do. Is there no way to capture a Humminbird screen as text? If Hummingbird screens support copy and paste, it seems rather simple to me to just copy and paste the whole screen or relevant parts thereof, e.g. (from a Bluezone screen): BROWSESYS1.ISPF.SISPMACS Command === Name Prompt Size _ FLMABEG *Browsed _ FLMACNST _ FLMAEND _ FLMAGBL -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Hummingbird screen snapshots
Paul Gilmartin wrote: Users repeatedly send me Hummingbird screen snapshots as JPEGs, claiming it's all they can do. Is there no way to capture a Humminbird screen as text? I'm lazy; I want to be able to copy-and-paste, or search for strings in the screen image. One reason I don't use Hummingbird. Thanks, gil Are we talking about Host Explorer? Yes, cut and paste works the same as every other 3270 emulator I've seen. e.g. --- Foreground Selection Panel Option === 1Assembler 11 *FORTRAN debug 2COBOL 12 Member Parts List 3VS FORTRAN 13 *C/370 5PL/I 14 *REXX/370 6VS PASCAL 15 *ADA/370 7 *Binder/Link editor 16 *AD/Cycle C/370 9SCRIPT/VS 18 ISPDTLC 10 *VS COBOL II debug 19 *OS/390 C/C++ 10A *OS/VS COBOL debug 99 *SAS/C Compiler Products Enter / to select option * No packed data support Source Data Packed -- Don Poitras - zSeries R D - SAS Institute Inc. - SAS Campus Drive mailto:sas...@sas.com (919)531-5637 Fax:677- Cary, NC 27513 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Hummingbird screen snapshots
- Original Message - From: Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 12:40 PM Subject: Hummingbird screen snapshots Users repeatedly send me Hummingbird screen snapshots as JPEGs, claiming it's all they can do. Is there no way to capture a Humminbird screen as text? I'm lazy; I want to be able to copy-and-paste, or search for strings in the screen image. One reason I don't use Hummingbird. Thanks, gil Gil, I'm not aware of any emulator that does screen capture as text. If you want text, have them Select All, then Cut and Paste into a word or text document. Regards, Tom Conley -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Hummingbird screen snapshots
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.comwrote: Users repeatedly send me Hummingbird screen snapshots as JPEGs, claiming it's all they can do. Is there no way to capture a Humminbird screen as text? I'm lazy; I want to be able to copy-and-paste, or search for strings in the screen image. One reason I don't use Hummingbird. I couldn't agree more, though I believe I get the same graphic shots from Extra!. But Extra! has never been much of a product, despite its ubiquity -- any product that crashes if you type too fast can't be taken very seriously. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Hummingbird screen snapshots
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 11:50:26 -0600, McKown, John wrote: Is there no way to capture a Humminbird screen as text? Attached is a textual representation of my Hummingbird version 12.0.0.122 screen. I got it by clicking on Edit, then Select all. Then Edit (again) and Copy. Verified. So I gave those instructions to my user. I watched over her shoulder while she did exactly that. Then she pasted into Thunderbird and sent it to me. It arrived as a JPEG attachment. Go figger. Thanks, gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Hummingbird screen snapshots
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Pinnacle pinnc...@rochester.rr.com wrote: I'm not aware of any emulator that does screen capture as text. If you want text, have them Select All, then Cut and Paste into a word or text document. I think the problem is that at least one emulator (and I think it's Extra! but I see so many that I'm not sure) does a screen swipe -- even of PART OF THE SCREEN -- as a graphic. So for the average z/OS sysprog, for whom the mouse is an exotic input device, that's the only way to get part of the screen. Gil, I'd actually (gently) challenge your assertion that Hummingbird does this -- while it could have changed, I used it until a few years ago and I'm quite sure it wasn't an offender. I still blame Extra!. But then, I blame Extra! for most things, when I have to use it. (Why, yes, I *do* dislike Extra!, how did you guess? But they did give me a nice 64MB memory stick a few years ago, back when that was an interesting size, so they're not evil, just misguided.) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Solved: Re: Hummingbird screen snapshots
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 17:58:29 -0500, P S wrote:
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 1:37 PM, Pinnacle pinnc...@rochester.rr.com wrote:
I'm not aware of any emulator that does screen capture as text. If you
want text, have them Select All, then Cut and Paste into a word or text
document.
How is that different from a screen capture?
I think the problem is that at least one emulator (and I think it's Extra!
but I see so many that I'm not sure) does a screen swipe -- even of PART OF
THE SCREEN -- as a graphic. So for the average z/OS sysprog, for whom the
mouse is an exotic input device, that's the only way to get part of the
screen.
Gil, I'd actually (gently) challenge your assertion that Hummingbird does
this -- while it could have changed, I used it until a few years ago and I'm
quite sure it wasn't an offender. I still blame Extra!. But then, I blame
Extra! for most things, when I have to use it.
(Why, yes, I *do* dislike Extra!, how did you guess? But they did give me a
nice 64MB memory stick a few years ago, back when that was an interesting
size, so they're not evil, just misguided.)
OK. My user, somewhat by accident, clicked on Paste without Formatting
simultaneously with the suggestion in this thread, and it worked.
So the Windows clipboard has parallel universes, JPEG and text.
And she said she had always been able to do it by pasting into
{ word | note }pad and copying from there. But she rightly calls
that a PITA, as is another suggestion of saving the screen to a
file and copying from that.
Thanks,
gil
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Re: Solved: Re: Hummingbird screen snapshots
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 6:27 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.comwrote:
OK. My user, somewhat by accident, clicked on Paste without Formatting
simultaneously with the suggestion in this thread, and it worked.
So the Windows clipboard has parallel universes, JPEG and text.
And she said she had always been able to do it by pasting into
{ word | note }pad and copying from there. But she rightly calls
that a PITA, as is another suggestion of saving the screen to a
file and copying from that.
Ah. Interesting. Either I always did that when I used H'bird (it WAS a while
ago!) or it's changed. Or it's a default one can set somewhere.
Yes, the Windows clipboard has multiple layers--that's why you can paste
HTML into Word and get formatted text, or into KEDIT and get just text. I
think of it like planes: there's the text plane, and the text formatting
plane, and the graphics plane...it's not an exact model, but it helps me
visualize it at least. I often paste things into KEDIT and cntrlAcntrlC
immediately back to clean the extra planes off for pasting elsewhere.
OK, digressed. I'll stop now. Happy Holidays.
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Re: Solved: Re: Hummingbird screen snapshots
On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:34:08 -0500, P S wrote: Yes, the Windows clipboard has multiple layers--that's why you can paste HTML into Word and get formatted text, or into KEDIT and get just text. I think of it like planes: there's the text plane, and the text formatting plane, and the graphics plane...it's not an exact model, but it helps me visualize it at least. I often paste things into KEDIT and cntrlAcntrlC immediately back to clean the extra planes off for pasting elsewhere. That being the case, Paste ought to be a hierarchic menu, such as: Paste--+-- Plain text | +-- Rich text | +-- Image | +-- Audio | +-- etc. ... with layers outside the capability of the application dimmed. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Solved: Re: Hummingbird screen snapshots
On Wed, Dec 23, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.comwrote: On Wed, 23 Dec 2009 18:34:08 -0500, P S wrote: Yes, the Windows clipboard has multiple layers--that's why you can paste HTML into Word and get formatted text, or into KEDIT and get just text. I think of it like planes: there's the text plane, and the text formatting plane, and the graphics plane...it's not an exact model, but it helps me visualize it at least. I often paste things into KEDIT and cntrlAcntrlC immediately back to clean the extra planes off for pasting elsewhere. That being the case, Paste ought to be a hierarchic menu, such as: Paste--+-- Plain text | +-- Rich text | +-- Image | +-- Audio | +-- etc. ... with layers outside the capability of the application dimmed. Naw, that'd be too flexible :-) Srsly, sure would be nice!!! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
