Re: IBM's first tape drive turns 60 (makes you feel old!)
In CAPD5F5qqQjHo2ntfWXUSP-GELMe=b1szP=4v5pm68-e1-1y...@mail.gmail.com, on 05/22/2012 at 10:22 AM, John Gilmore johnwgilmore0...@gmail.com said: One-inch tapes were once very common in IBM shops, Common? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM's first tape drive turns 60 (makes you feel old!)
In 985915eee6984740ae93f8495c624c6c21e3656...@jscpcwexmaa1.bsg.ad.adp.com, on 05/22/2012 at 09:03 AM, Farley, Peter x23353 peter.far...@broadridge.com said: I don't know about IBM, but there was a 2nd generation Philco computer system I know about it, but I've never met anybody that used one. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM's first tape drive turns 60 (makes you feel old!)
In 4fbb73d4.9090...@bremultibank.com.pl, on 05/22/2012 at 01:09 PM, R.S. r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl said: BTW: I heard about 1-inch tapes. Is it true? Did such wide tapes exist? Yes. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM's first tape drive turns 60 (makes you feel old!)
On Wed, 23 May 2012 10:33:52 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: on 05/22/2012 at 10:22 AM, John Gilmore said: One-inch tapes were once very common in IBM shops, Common? I had the impression they were rare (well, I never saw one). And expensive. It wouldn't make economic sense to split them. (Unless you scored a truckload at an estate sale.) And where would you get empty 1/2 reels? And how many feet of iron oxide, used otherwise as an abrasive, would it take to ruin the edge of your pizza cutter? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM's first tape drive turns 60 (makes you feel old!)
BTW: I heard about 1-inch tapes. Is it true? Did such wide tapes exist? Current cartridges are 1/2 inch wide. The article says that 729 was also 1/2 inch. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 2012-05-22 12:55, Don Higgins pisze: All It reminds me of when I saw my first tape sort running on what I think were IBM 729 drives at Florida Power around 1970. I knew I had to learn how that worked. And now there is an open source sort merge utility included with z390. It is written in structured mainframe macro assembler and runs on Windows, Linux, and Apple OSX using J2SE 6.0+ host. But it is just no fun to watch anymore as it uses hard drive work areas! Don Higgins d...@higgins.net www.z390.org -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Tre tej wiadomoci moe zawiera informacje prawnie chronione Banku przeznaczone wycznie do uytku subowego adresata. Odbiorc moe by jedynie jej adresat z wyczeniem dostpu osób trzecich. Jeeli nie jeste adresatem niniejszej wiadomoci lub pracownikiem upowanionym do jej przekazania adresatowi, informujemy, e jej rozpowszechnianie, kopiowanie, rozprowadzanie lub inne dziaanie o podobnym charakterze jest prawnie zabronione i moe by karalne. Jeeli otrzymae t wiadomo omykowo, prosimy niezwocznie zawiadomi nadawc wysyajc odpowied oraz trwale usun t wiadomo wczajc w to wszelkie jej kopie wydrukowane lub zapisane na dysku. This e-mail may contain legally privileged information of the Bank and is intended solely for business use of the addressee. This e-mail may only be received by the addressee and may not be disclosed to any third parties. If you are not the intended addressee of this e-mail or the employee authorised to forward it to the addressee, be advised that any dissemination, copying, distribution or any other similar activity is legally prohibited and may be punishable. If you received this e-mail by mistake please advise the sender immediately by using the reply facility in your e-mail software and delete permanently this e-mail including any copies of it either printed or saved to hard drive. BRE Bank SA, 00-950 Warszawa, ul. Senatorska 18, tel. +48 (22) 829 00 00, fax +48 (22) 829 00 33, www.brebank.pl, e-mail: i...@brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2012 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci wpacony) wynosi 168.410.984 zotych. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM's first tape drive turns 60 (makes you feel old!)
I don't know about IBM, but there was a 2nd generation Philco computer system (1401-era for IBM) that used 1-inch wide tape. My college used it for administrative functions back in the mid-1960's. HTH Peter -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2012 7:09 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: IBM's first tape drive turns 60 (makes you feel old!) BTW: I heard about 1-inch tapes. Is it true? Did such wide tapes exist? Current cartridges are 1/2 inch wide. The article says that 729 was also 1/2 inch. -- This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM's first tape drive turns 60 (makes you feel old!)
On Tue, 22 May 2012 13:09:08 +0200, R.S. wrote: BTW: I heard about 1-inch tapes. Is it true? Did such wide tapes exist? Current cartridges are 1/2 inch wide. The article says that 729 was also 1/2 inch. http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/storage/storage_7340.html ... but can you trust a possibly biased source? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM's first tape drive turns 60 (makes you feel old!)
r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl (R.S.) writes: BTW: I heard about 1-inch tapes. Is it true? Did such wide tapes exist? Current cartridges are 1/2 inch wide. The article says that 729 was also 1/2 inch. how do you feel about 3850 http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/storage/storage_3850.html http://www.columbia.edu/cu/computinghistory/mss.html cartridges (tape 4inches wide by 770inches)? http://www-03.ibm.com/ibm/history/exhibits/storage/storage_PH3850B.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_3850 http://www.columbia.edu/cu/computinghistory/media.html -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM's first tape drive turns 60 (makes you feel old!)
One-inch tapes were once very common in IBM shops, and I will always associate them with a diversion. This width was of course incompatible with the half-inch one used for acoustical recording, but the magnetic-tape medium itself was not; and it was common, after regular business hours, to find computer-room tape drives being used to slit a one-inch tape into two half-inch ones. One enterprising operator friend of mine--He later became a sysprog who mostly lurks but sometimes posts here--even did a small business in selling slitters adapted to this purpose. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
