Re: SDSF DOC for USER -- NOT SYSPROG/SEC ADMIN
snip IBM's position seems to be that you can hit PFK1, so why do you need a manual /snip and if the tutorial EVER had any usable information, that would be good advise. The only good thing to say about SDSF's tutorial is that it make the manual look good. Jack Kelly 202-502-2390 (Office) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SDSF DOC for USER -- NOT SYSPROG/SEC ADMIN
In 58fc7f986fcb804286e23b59decf420fc2a...@nwt-s-mbx1.rocketsoftware.com, on 03/14/2010 at 05:36 PM, Bob Shannon bshan...@rocketsoftware.com said: IBM's position seems to be that you can hit PFK1, so why do you need a manual It's the OS/2 mentality. ITYM windows mentality; OS/2 has *both* manuals and help files. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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-Ursprungligt meddelande- Från: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] För Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Skickat: den 14 mars 2010 07:20 Till: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Ämne: Re: SDSF DOC for USER -- NOT SYSPROG/SEC ADMIN In 45d79eacefba9b428e3d400e924d36b903336...@iwdubcormsg007.sci.local, on 03/12/2010 at 02:08 PM, Thompson, Steve steve_thomp...@stercomm.com said: Where do I find such a doc? In a museum; IBM stopped providing updated user documentation for SDSF a long time ago. You can, of course, use the archaic version of the manual, but expect some things to be different. IBM's position seems to be that you can hit PFK1, so why do you need a manual? I don't agree, but that doesn't change anything. And to add insult to injury, the PFK1 help in SDSF isn't exactly the Florence Nightingale of the ISPF battlefield. Regards, Thomas Berg _ Thomas Berg Specialist A M SWEDBANK -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SDSF DOC for USER -- NOT SYSPROG/SEC ADMIN
IBM's position seems to be that you can hit PFK1, so why do you need a manual It's the OS/2 mentality. Bob Shannon Rocket Software -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SDSF DOC for USER -- NOT SYSPROG/SEC ADMIN
In 45d79eacefba9b428e3d400e924d36b903336...@iwdubcormsg007.sci.local, on 03/12/2010 at 02:08 PM, Thompson, Steve steve_thomp...@stercomm.com said: Where do I find such a doc? In a museum; IBM stopped providing updated user documentation for SDSF a long time ago. You can, of course, use the archaic version of the manual, but expect some things to be different. IBM's position seems to be that you can hit PFK1, so why do you need a manual? I don't agree, but that doesn't change anything. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
SDSF DOC for USER -- NOT SYSPROG/SEC ADMIN
Where do I find such a doc? And specifically, if a JOB is defined with SPIN for various outputs, how does one select a specific DD they want to look at. The simplest way of putting this is like this: JOB runs for 15 hours. The JES JOB LOG spins 10 times. But in doing this, so do 4 other outputs (spin that is), and 10 different things got dynamically allocated. So the user wants to find (or display) just the JES JOB LOG entries. They will be happy with some command that just jumps from one to the next. The following is an example of what is seen on the ST panel after a ? beside the JOB in question: JESMSGLG JES2 JESYSMSG JES2 SYS9 M1A470S2 OUTDDM1A470S2 SYS00010 M1A470S2 SYS00013 M1A470S2 OUTDDM1A470S2 SYS00014 M1A470S2 SYS00017 M1A470S2 OUTDDM1A470S2 SYS00018 M1A470S2 SYS00021 M1A470S2 OUTDDM1A470S2 JESMSGLG JES2 JESYSMSG JES2 OUTDDM1A470S2 SYS00022 M1A470S2 SYS00025 M1A470S2 OUTDDM1A470S2 SYS00026 M1A470S2 SYS00029 M1A470S2 OUTDDM1A470S2 JESMSGLG JES2 JESYSMSG JES2 SYS00030 M1A470S2 SYS00033 M1A470S2 OUTDDM1A470S2 SYS00022 M1A470S2 SYS00025 M1A470S2 OUTDDM1A470S2 JESMSGLG JES2 JESYSMSG JES2 SYS00026 M1A470S2 SYS00029 M1A470S2 OUTDDM1A470S2 SYS00030 M1A470S2 SYS00033 M1A470S2 JESMSGLG JES2 JESYSMSG JES2 Surely (not Shirley) there is some way to get just the JESMSGLG DD info, or just the OUTDD info while ignoring the others (this is for a USER, not some SYSPROG...). Regards, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SDSF DOC for USER -- NOT SYSPROG/SEC ADMIN
FILTER DDNAME JESMSGLG FILTER DDNAME OUTDD FILTER OFF to see them all -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Thompson, Steve Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 2:08 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: SDSF DOC for USER -- NOT SYSPROG/SEC ADMIN Where do I find such a doc? And specifically, if a JOB is defined with SPIN for various outputs, how does one select a specific DD they want to look at. The simplest way of putting this is like this: JOB runs for 15 hours. The JES JOB LOG spins 10 times. But in doing this, so do 4 other outputs (spin that is), and 10 different things got dynamically allocated. So the user wants to find (or display) just the JES JOB LOG entries. They will be happy with some command that just jumps from one to the next. Snipped Surely (not Shirley) there is some way to get just the JESMSGLG DD info, or just the OUTDD info while ignoring the others (this is for a USER, not some SYSPROG...). This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SDSF DOC for USER -- NOT SYSPROG/SEC ADMIN
One thing you could do ? the job, then SORT DDNAME on the command line, then everything is together. Or a process could be built with the SDSF REXX interface to collect all the stuff. Does that help? Lizette -Original Message- From: Thompson, Steve steve_thomp...@stercomm.com Sent: Mar 12, 2010 2:08 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: SDSF DOC for USER -- NOT SYSPROG/SEC ADMIN Where do I find such a doc? And specifically, if a JOB is defined with SPIN for various outputs, how does one select a specific DD they want to look at. The simplest way of putting this is like this: JOB runs for 15 hours. The JES JOB LOG spins 10 times. But in doing this, so do 4 other outputs (spin that is), and 10 different things got dynamically allocated. So the user wants to find (or display) just the JES JOB LOG entries. They will be happy with some command that just jumps from one to the next. The following is an example of what is seen on the ST panel after a ? beside the JOB in question: JESMSGLG JES2 JESYSMSG JES2 SYS9 M1A470S2 OUTDDM1A470S2 SYS00010 M1A470S2 SYS00013 M1A470S2 OUTDDM1A470S2 SYS00014 M1A470S2 SYS00017 M1A470S2 OUTDDM1A470S2 SYS00018 M1A470S2 SYS00021 M1A470S2 OUTDDM1A470S2 JESMSGLG JES2 JESYSMSG JES2 OUTDDM1A470S2 SYS00022 M1A470S2 SYS00025 M1A470S2 OUTDDM1A470S2 SYS00026 M1A470S2 SYS00029 M1A470S2 OUTDDM1A470S2 JESMSGLG JES2 JESYSMSG JES2 SYS00030 M1A470S2 SYS00033 M1A470S2 OUTDDM1A470S2 SYS00022 M1A470S2 SYS00025 M1A470S2 OUTDDM1A470S2 JESMSGLG JES2 JESYSMSG JES2 SYS00026 M1A470S2 SYS00029 M1A470S2 OUTDDM1A470S2 SYS00030 M1A470S2 SYS00033 M1A470S2 JESMSGLG JES2 JESYSMSG JES2 Surely (not Shirley) there is some way to get just the JESMSGLG DD info, or just the OUTDD info while ignoring the others (this is for a USER, not some SYSPROG...). Regards, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SDSF DOC for USER -- NOT SYSPROG/SEC ADMIN
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Farley, Peter x23353 Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 1:14 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SDSF DOC for USER -- NOT SYSPROG/SEC ADMIN FILTER DDNAME JESMSGLG FILTER DDNAME OUTDD FILTER OFF to see them all MERGE POSTS -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 1:22 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SDSF DOC for USER -- NOT SYSPROG/SEC ADMIN One thing you could do ? the job, then SORT DDNAME on the command line, then everything is together. Or a process could be built with the SDSF REXX interface to collect all the stuff. Does that help? Lizette SNIPPAGE Thanks to both of you. Yes, this helps in the immediate case. But the other problem I have is, the only SDSF manual I can find (titled: SDSF Operation and Customization) is not USER oriented. While the HELP PF1 is helpful, if you don't know what the thing is called that you are after, have fun finding it. In my case, all this time I thought FILTER was for handling which JES system, owner, JOB prefix, etc. was being filtered. Regards, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SDSF DOC for USER -- NOT SYSPROG/SEC ADMIN
snip But the other problem I have is, the only SDSF manual I can find (titled: SDSF Operation and Customization) is not USER oriented. /snip Opinion - The SDSF manual, and for that matter 'support', has always been awful. To do anything, other than ?, it's pretty much guess or find someone who has done it. If it's not too late, go to EJES. Jack Kelly 202-502-2390 (Office) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SDSF DOC for USER -- NOT SYSPROG/SEC ADMIN
Steve, there was an old manual long ago that was directed more to the end user. It was called the SDSF USER GUIDE AND REFERENCE. It may still be helpful. http://tinyurl.com/yj96j7m This will take you to the bookserver on IBM to the OS/390 V2.10 version. See if that helps. Lizette -N FILTER DDNAME JESMSGLG FILTER DDNAME OUTDD FILTER OFF to see them all MERGE POSTS -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 1:22 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SDSF DOC for USER -- NOT SYSPROG/SEC ADMIN One thing you could do ? the job, then SORT DDNAME on the command line, then everything is together. Or a process could be built with the SDSF REXX interface to collect all the stuff. Does that help? Lizette SNIPPAGE Thanks to both of you. Yes, this helps in the immediate case. But the other problem I have is, the only SDSF manual I can find (titled: SDSF Operation and Customization) is not USER oriented. While the HELP PF1 is helpful, if you don't know what the thing is called that you are after, have fun finding it. In my case, all this time I thought FILTER was for handling which JES system, owner, JOB prefix, etc. was being filtered. Regards, Steve Thompson -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SDSF DOC for USER -- NOT SYSPROG/SEC ADMIN
BINGO! And I found it in PDF -- which I happen to prefer for in my collection. I was afraid that this no longer existed (and it appears to not in the current z/OS releases). But this is the guy I was looking for. Thank you very much. Steve Thompson -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 2:09 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SDSF DOC for USER -- NOT SYSPROG/SEC ADMIN Steve, there was an old manual long ago that was directed more to the end user. It was called the SDSF USER GUIDE AND REFERENCE. It may still be helpful. http://tinyurl.com/yj96j7m This will take you to the bookserver on IBM to the OS/390 V2.10 version. See if that helps. Lizette SNIPPAGE -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SDSF DOC for USER -- NOT SYSPROG/SEC ADMIN
They have incorporated some of it into the OPERATIONS guide, but I still find this one much better Glad to help. Lizette BINGO! And I found it in PDF -- which I happen to prefer for in my collection. I was afraid that this no longer existed (and it appears to not in the current z/OS releases). But this is the guy I was looking for. Thank you very much. Steve Thompson -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 2:09 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SDSF DOC for USER -- NOT SYSPROG/SEC ADMIN Steve, there was an old manual long ago that was directed more to the end user. It was called the SDSF USER GUIDE AND REFERENCE. It may still be helpful. http://tinyurl.com/yj96j7m This will take you to the bookserver on IBM to the OS/390 V2.10 version. See if that helps. Lizette -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
