Re: What does issue mean? (Was: SDSF issue)
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca wrote: Webster's on a dictionary has no significance - it's just an attempt to cadge some legitimacy by invoking Noah Webster's name). Try AHD or OED (both of which do support the usage). Dictionaries do NOT support usage! They report it! Any usage is subject to consensus. We, when I was a kid, used to say ain't ain't in the dictionary. It is, now! Good point...that's what I meant by support: they assert that it is a common usage. The better ones (AHD comes to mind) include comments on non-standard usage-and these evolve with each revision. (There's no such note for issue as a synonym for problem.) As a broad example, compound nouns typically evolve from open (web server) to hyphenated (web-server) to closed (webserver). The OED, of course, has a group who do nothing but track this evolution and make updates for the next rev. However, note that the OP seems convinced that dictionaries define 'correct' spelling and usage... ..phsiii -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What does issue mean? (Was: SDSF issue)
Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Phil Smith p...@voltage.com Sender: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: Tue, 17 May 2011 16:28:05 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Reply-to: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: What does issue mean? (Was: SDSF issue) On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca wrote: Webster's on a dictionary has no significance - it's just an attempt to cadge some legitimacy by invoking Noah Webster's name). Try AHD or OED (both of which do support the usage). Dictionaries do NOT support usage! They report it! Any usage is subject to consensus. We, when I was a kid, used to say ain't ain't in the dictionary. It is, now! Good point...that's what I meant by support: they assert that it is a common usage. The better ones (AHD comes to mind) include comments on non-standard usage-and these evolve with each revision. (There's no such note for issue as a synonym for problem.) As a broad example, compound nouns typically evolve from open (web server) to hyphenated (web-server) to closed (webserver). The OED, of course, has a group who do nothing but track this evolution and make updates for the next rev. However, note that the OP seems convinced that dictionaries define 'correct' spelling and usage... ...phsiii -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What does issue mean? (Was: SDSF issue)
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Chris Mason chrisma...@belgacom.net wrote: nothing worth reading Indeed; lately, Mr. Mason has become a rather tedious vacuum. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What does issue mean? (Was: SDSF issue)
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Graham Hobbs Does this Mason have a job? I think he once posted that he's retired -- which for some seems to be a euphemism for bored and bitter. -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What does issue mean? (Was: SDSF issue)
On Wed, 18 May 2011 09:55:53 +0800, David Crayford wrote: On 18/05/2011 9:12 AM, Ron Hawkins wrote: Well everyone, this LISTSERV has been hijacked by one contributor I agree. and is now bordering on the ridiculous. Good day and good luck to all those I have debated, agreed with, and most importantly learnt from for the last 14 years, but It's farewell from me. It saddens me to see you leave. IMO you have posted more useful and helpful information in the past month than Mason has posted since I first saw him hears ago. Please re-consider Ron. A list forum is only as good as it's experts and you're a fair dinkum expert. Agreed. You can always plonk trolls into your kill list. Yes, but AFAIK there is no way to cause a reply to the troll to be killed. I know one long time regular contributor to this list whose contributions are concise and valuable. He told me that Mr. Mason earned the first entry in his killfile. Chris, you made your point about the usage of the word, issue in your previous response on the SDSF issue thread, where you also included the gratuitous insult about some of limited intellect. There was no need to post a 140 or so line followup justifying your position, nor was there any excuse for another lengthy post justifying yourself. This list is about IBM mainframes. -- Tom Marchant -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What does issue mean? (Was: SDSF issue)
---snip Well everyone, this LISTSERV has been hijacked by one contributor and is now bordering on the ridiculous. Good day and good luck to all those I have debated, agreed with, and most importantly learnt from for the last 14 years, but It's farewell from me. unsnip- Hate to see you leave, Ron. Instead of fairwell, how about just a Ta Ta for now and become a lurker for a while. Your contributions will be sorely missed. Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What does issue mean? (Was: SDSF issue)
Hi Ron, Trust me, I understand how you feel. Thing is, if you leave and if more of us leave, he wins and all of the rest of us who want and need this forum lose. I have a young Lab who cuts the fool and carries on and on The more I try to correct and instruct her, the worse she behaves. Yet she is desperate for my attention. The withdrawal of attention is the most effective means to get her to behave. You see, she craves that attention and will do anything to get it - including, if she must, behave herself. I have learned to give a post no more than one paragraph to prove itself. If within that space, the post shows itself to be rant de jour, attack de jour, or just a demonstration of the poster's inability or unwillingness to work and play well with others, I find a more interesting post. O ne find s treasures on the beach, and other items as well. Linda - Original Message - From: Ron Hawkins ron.hawkins1...@sbcglobal.net To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 6:12:57 PM Subject: Re: What does issue mean? (Was: SDSF issue) Do you honestly think that Gates is the author of the Thesaurus shipped with Office? And as for defining my language, the English I speak and spell is much closer to the real thing then the one you use. So what? And so we get to your newest subject de jour; I am a sad character. Well what did I do to attract a personal attack? Whatever, I guess it makes it OK to return the same in kind, Chris please STFU. You won't find that acronym in a VTAM manual, and I really don't care if your do. Context is everything and so you know exactly what I mean. Gates? You trust Gates to define your language for you? You must be joking or, if you are not, a sadder character than I thought. Well everyone, this LISTSERV has been hijacked by one contributor and is now bordering on the ridiculous. Good day and good luck to all those I have debated, agreed with, and most importantly learnt from for the last 14 years, but It's farewell from me. I'll watch for it to be renamed to USS-IS-A-VTAM-ACRONYM-MAIN sometime in the future. I'll look out for you at the IBM-MAIN table at SCIDS next Share. Ton -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
SDSF issue
Hi, Recently we have upgraded our z/os to V1R12 but still we are not able to access the SDSF options and below error message is thrown. ISF024I USER A255209 NOT AUTHORIZED TO SDSF, NO GROUP ASSIGNMENT *** From the racf point of view i have checked the profiles permission but still we are not able to invoke. Is it something can someone throw light on this issue. apology for posting this question in this forum, but i just suspected whether it has any issues with exit routines. Regards, Jags -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
SDSF issue
Hi, Did you check the message in the IBM Look At site? http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv/lookat/index.html *** NO GROUP ASSIGNMENT. The user does not fall into any group of users defined by ISFPARMS. For more information, see Group authorization parameters (ISFGRP or GROUP) in topic 2.11. Hope it helps you. Enrique Montero -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SDSF issue
I checked at the LOOTAT site and gave all the necessay access but still the user id is not able to access SDSF. Regards, Jags On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 3:20 PM, MONTERO ROMERO, ENRIQUE ELOI enriqueeloi.mont...@servifactory.com wrote: Hi, Did you check the message in the IBM Look At site? http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv/lookat/index.html *** NO GROUP ASSIGNMENT. The user does not fall into any group of users defined by ISFPARMS. For more information, see Group authorization parameters (ISFGRP or GROUP) in topic 2.11. Hope it helps you. Enrique Montero -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SDSF issue
I checked at the LOOTAT site and gave all the necessay access but still the user id is not able to access SDSF. 1) How did you give the necessary authorizations ? 2) Do you run the SDSF Server address space ? Walter Marguccio z/OS Systems Programmer BELENUS LOB Informatic GmbH Munich - Germany -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SDSF issue
Hi, SDSF runs as server address space. I have given the ISF.** access to the user. Regards, Jags On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Walter Marguccio walter_marguc...@yahoo.com wrote: I checked at the LOOTAT site and gave all the necessay access but still the user id is not able to access SDSF. 1) How did you give the necessary authorizations ? 2) Do you run the SDSF Server address space ? Walter Marguccio z/OS Systems Programmer BELENUS LOB Informatic GmbH Munich - Germany -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SDSF issue
If you do, then you need to defin SDSF runs as server address space. If you do, then you need to define the needed authorizations in ISFPRMxx in your PARMLIB concatenation. I have given the ISF.** access to the user. AFAIK, either you protect SDSF functions using the SDSF Server and its ISFPRMxx member, or you activate the RACF class SDSF and define the needed profiles to accomplish the same goal. How do you want to control SDSF functions ? It looks like you are using SDSF Server to do it. If you are, then you must add the user you mentioned in your earlier post in ISFPRMxx, and then activate the changes with the command: F SDSF,REFRESH,M=xx, where xx is the suffix of your ISFPRM member. Walter Marguccio z/OS Systems Programmer BELENUS LOB Informatic GmbH Munich - Germany -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SDSF issue
Thanks a lot ,I permitted the user to group.ISFSPROG.sdsf and the user was able to access the SDSF. Regards, Jags On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Walter Marguccio walter_marguc...@yahoo.com wrote: If you do, then you need to defin SDSF runs as server address space. If you do, then you need to define the needed authorizations in ISFPRMxx in your PARMLIB concatenation. I have given the ISF.** access to the user. AFAIK, either you protect SDSF functions using the SDSF Server and its ISFPRMxx member, or you activate the RACF class SDSF and define the needed profiles to accomplish the same goal. How do you want to control SDSF functions ? It looks like you are using SDSF Server to do it. If you are, then you must add the user you mentioned in your earlier post in ISFPRMxx, and then activate the changes with the command: F SDSF,REFRESH,M=xx, where xx is the suffix of your ISFPRM member. Walter Marguccio z/OS Systems Programmer BELENUS LOB Informatic GmbH Munich - Germany -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SDSF issue
jagadishan perumal wrote: Recently we have upgraded our z/os to V1R12 but still we are not able to access the SDSF options and below error message is thrown. ISF024I USER A255209 NOT AUTHORIZED TO SDSF, NO GROUP ASSIGNMENT *** Have the id do comman WHO and compare the output with ISFPRMxx member. From the racf point of view i have checked the profiles permission but still we are not able to invoke. If you change anything in RACF and/or ISFPRM, be sure to do a proper refresh in RACF and for the SDSF server as mentioned earlier. Also have a look at profile GROUP.ISFSPROG.server-name in SDSF class. Then, have the id come out of SDSF completely and try again. HTH! Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SDSF issue
Thanks a lot ,I permitted the user to group.ISFSPROG.sdsf and the user was able to access the SDSF. Regards, Jags On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 4:34 PM, Walter Marguccio walter_marguc...@yahoo.com wrote: If you do, then you need to defin SDSF runs as server address space. If you do, then you need to define the needed authorizations in ISFPRMxx in your PARMLIB concatenation. I have given the ISF.** access to the user. AFAIK, either you protect SDSF functions using the SDSF Server and its ISFPRMxx member, or you activate the RACF class SDSF and define the needed profiles to accomplish the same goal. How do you want to control SDSF functions ? It looks like you are using SDSF Server to do it. If you are, then you must add the user you mentioned in your earlier post in ISFPRMxx, and then activate the changes with the command: F SDSF,REFRESH,M=xx, where xx is the suffix of your ISFPRM member. Walter Marguccio z/OS Systems Programmer BELENUS LOB Informatic GmbH Munich - Germany -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SDSF issue
Jags As I have just pointed out in the RACF-L list, when you post in more than one list you should say so in order that people can respond appropriately. ... apology for posting this question in this forum, ... Unless there is a list specifically for matters concerning SDSF, this list will be the appropriate one - and *not* RACF-L. If the folk in RACF-L see that you have posted here they will know they need not bother dealing with a matter outside their formally defined zone of expertise since the question has been posed where it should be being posed. - Incidentally, if we are dealing with something which you think should work but doesn't, we are dealing with a *problem*, not an *issue*. As you can see above, because of this wanton misuse of the word issue, it is now impossible actually to use the word in contexts where it would most naturally be used and another word must be substituted. In the case above, I felt obliged to back-key, as it were, over issues and key matters or I would inappropriately be stating that the lists are only for problems, incorrectly described as issues, when lists are indeed for issues, in the original sense of the word before its attempted corruption, as well as problems. I can now imagine some of limited intellect - it's a family list so I am guarding my language - jumping in with totally useless comments that language evolves and the like. To which my response - so don't bother posting - is not when it involves losing species, we are already too deeply into The Sixth Extinction without deliberately adding any more loss. Chris Mason On Tue, 17 May 2011 14:28:01 +0530, jagadishan perumal jagadish...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Recently we have upgraded our z/os to V1R12 but still we are not able to access the SDSF options and below error message is thrown. ISF024I USER A255209 NOT AUTHORIZED TO SDSF, NO GROUP ASSIGNMENT *** From the racf point of view i have checked the profiles permission but still we are not able to invoke. Is it something can someone throw light on this issue. apology for posting this question in this forum, but i just suspected whether it has any issues with exit routines. Regards, Jags -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SDSF issue
Enrique Did you check the message in the IBM Look At site? Indeed, when you discover a message that you need quickly explained, the LookAt! technique can be very helpful as a starting point. However in this case, we are dealing with a product which is completely described in one manual: z/OS SDSF Operation and Customization, SA22-7670-14 http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/isf4csa0/ for the V1R12 edition, so it might be most sensible to start here. Jags is already talking about his SAF product, RACF, so it's a strong indication he has already checked the description of the message - although it might have been better if he had said so and even himself posted the quite small message explanation. Chris Mason On Tue, 17 May 2011 11:50:25 +0200, MONTERO ROMERO, ENRIQUE ELOI enriqueeloi.mont...@servifactory.com wrote: Hi, Did you check the message in the IBM Look At site? http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/bkserv/lookat/index.html *** NO GROUP ASSIGNMENT. The user does not fall into any group of users defined by ISFPARMS. For more information, see Group authorization parameters (ISFGRP or GROUP) in topic 2.11. Hope it helps you. Enrique Montero -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SDSF issue
Jags ... gave all the necessary access but still the user id is not able to access SDSF. Clearly you did not! But happily I see that now, prompted by Walter Marguccio, you have. Chris Mason On Tue, 17 May 2011 15:26:16 +0530, jagadishan perumal jagadish...@gmail.com wrote: I checked at the LOOTAT site and gave all the necessay access but still the user id is not able to access SDSF. Regards, Jags -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SDSF issue
did you check the ISFPRMxx? On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 11:58 AM, jagadishan perumal jagadish...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, Recently we have upgraded our z/os to V1R12 but still we are not able to access the SDSF options and below error message is thrown. ISF024I USER A255209 NOT AUTHORIZED TO SDSF, NO GROUP ASSIGNMENT *** From the racf point of view i have checked the profiles permission but still we are not able to invoke. Is it something can someone throw light on this issue. apology for posting this question in this forum, but i just suspected whether it has any issues with exit routines. Regards, Jags -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- best regards, matan cohen MF System Administrator. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SDSF issue
Chris, Funny that the US Thesaurus built into Windows lists problem as an alternative for issue. Why don't you take this up with Microsoft? I have no problem understanding what Jags is saying, and don't give a toss where he posts his questions. Ron Incidentally, if we are dealing with something which you think should work but doesn't, we are dealing with a *problem*, not an *issue*. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
What to do with misdirected questions (Was: SDSF issue)
... and don't give a toss where he posts his questions. Well, in total contrast, I do, assuming I spot them - in order that he may this time and next time and the time after that more accurately target his burgeoning queries. Chris Mason On Tue, 17 May 2011 09:45:17 -0700, Ron Hawkins ron.hawkins1...@sbcglobal.net wrote: ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
What does issue mean? (Was: SDSF issue)
There's always one! the US Thesaurus built into Windows lists problem as an alternative for issue. Gates? You trust Gates to define your language for you? You must be joking or, if you are not, a sadder character than I thought. Incidentally, if anyone is of a mind to challenge whether or not this is a valid point to raise in this list or indeed in any of the technical lists to which I and many present subscribe, just look at a selection of the thread subjects. Now I'm an incredibly understanding character myself and so I am going to exercise extreme kindness and bow to the litigious folk between the shining seas by quoting from a dictionary which I believe is held in highest esteem by our wayward cousins, namely, Webster's Seventh New Collegiate, on the flyleaves of which the latest date I can find is 1966. Sadly, it's cloth- not Morocco- bound! I'd like to start out by saying - unless subject to overwhelming demand - I am not going to refer to what this dictionary says about the word problem since - I may be wrong - there should be no debate (see later) over what sort of significance the word problem has. So let us turn immediately to the word issue and I'll open the curtain - sorry drapes - since I need more light: transcribe 1 issue n 1 pl : proceeds from a source of revenue (as an estate) 2 : the action of going, coming or flowing out : EGRESS, EMERGENCE 3 : a means or place of going out : EXIT, OUTLET 4 : OFFSPRING, PROGENY 5 a : final outcome : RESULT b obs : a final conclusion or decision about something arrived at after consideration c archaic : TERMINATION, END hope that his enterprise would have a prosperous ~ - T.B. Macaulay 6 a : a matter that is in dispute between two or more parties[1] : a point of debate or controversy b : the point at which an unsettled matter is ready for a decision (brought the matter to an ~) 7 : a discharge (as of blood) from the body 8 a : something coming forth from a specified source (~s of a disordered imagination[2]) b obs : DEED 9 a : the act of officially giving out or printing (as new currency, supplies, an order) : PUBLICATION b : the thing or the whole quantity of things given out at one time (new ~ of stamps) (stock ~) syn see EFFECT at issue 1 : in a state of controversy : in disagreement[3] 2 : also in issue : under discussion or in dispute /transcribe My eyes are beginning to feel the strain so I'll pick up the tool of the true detective. transcribe 2 issue vt 1 a : to go, come, or flow out b : to come forth : EMERGE c : to come to an issue of law or fact in pleading 2 : ACCRUE 3 : to descend from a specified parent or ancestor 4 : to be a consequence or final outcome : EMANATE, RESULT 5 : to appear or become available through being officially put forth or distributed : appear through issuance or publication 6 : EVENTUATE, TERMINATE ~ vt 1 : to cause to come forth : DISCHARGE, EMIT 2 a : to put forth or distribute officially government issued a new airmail stamp ~ orders to advance b : to send out for sale or circulation : PUBLISH syn - see SPRING - issuer n /transcribe Would anyone care to (try to) point out which of these manifold possibilities has anything whatsoever in this world to do with problem? I'll give you a start: one of the explanations of the word problematic includes the word debate which is indeed a word which appears in the explanations of the word issue above. That's the closest I can get! - I have no problem understanding what Jags is saying, ... I believe I don't either, just as I can get by with French, German, even some Russian and Italian and, possibly a surprise, Bulgarian (an easier version of Russian!) but I prefer when English is being used for it to be used correctly. Furthermore, if I am offering help. I insist upon it! That's the quid pro quo - and odd snippets of Latin (or Ancient Greek) when appropriate! - [1] I guess if one party is the systems programmer and the other party is the set of definitions he or she has coded and the desired result is not forthcoming, I'm wrong, issue does mean problem! [2] I'm not sure I could have put it better! [3] You can say that again - that, that, that, ... - Chris Mason On Tue, 17 May 2011 09:45:17 -0700, Ron Hawkins ron.hawkins1...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Chris, Funny that the US Thesaurus built into Windows lists problem as an alternative for issue. Why don't you take this up with Microsoft? I have no problem understanding what Jags is saying, ... Ron Incidentally, if we are dealing with something which you think should work but doesn't, we are dealing with a *problem*, not an *issue*. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What does issue mean? (Was: SDSF issue)
But you did not allow for 'issue' and 'problem' in the pluperfect progressive grammatical tense. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What does issue mean? (Was: SDSF issue)
But you did not allow for 'issue' and 'problem' in the pluperfect progressive grammatical tense. Thank you for clouding the topic,b - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What does issue mean? (Was: SDSF issue)
I know - we get to keep it simple Theresa Hellner Application Architect -- Mainframe Security Engineering (602) 284-2732 Cell Phone From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] on behalf of Donnelly, John P [john.p.donne...@nsc.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 1:32 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: What does issue mean? (Was: SDSF issue) But you did not allow for 'issue' and 'problem' in the pluperfect progressive grammatical tense. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html American Express made the following annotations on Tue May 17 2011 13:37:56 ** This message and any attachments are solely for the intended recipient and may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, use, or distribution of the information included in this message and any attachments is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us by reply e-mail and immediately and permanently delete this message and any attachments. Thank you. American Express a ajouté le commentaire suivant le Tue May 17 2011 13:37:56 Ce courrier et toute pièce jointe qu'il contient sont réservés au seul destinataire indiqué et peuvent renfermer des renseignements confidentiels et privilégiés. Si vous n'êtes pas le destinataire prévu, toute divulgation, duplication, utilisation ou distribution du courrier ou de toute pièce jointe est interdite. Si vous avez reçu cette communication par erreur, veuillez nous en aviser par courrier et détruire immédiatement le courrier et les pièces jointes. Merci. ** --- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What does issue mean? (Was: SDSF issue)
In a general thesaurus, issue is a synonym of problem...and surprisingly, problem is a synonym of issue... -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 1:47 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: What does issue mean? (Was: SDSF issue) But you did not allow for 'issue' and 'problem' in the pluperfect progressive grammatical tense. Thank you for clouding the topic,b - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What does issue mean? (Was: SDSF issue)
On 17 May 2011 16:32, Donnelly, John P john.p.donne...@nsc.com wrote: But you did not allow for 'issue' and 'problem' in the pluperfect progressive grammatical tense. I had been thinking that someone would raise this issue. Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What does issue mean? (Was: SDSF issue)
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Chris Mason chrisma...@belgacom.net wrote: snip Now I'm an incredibly understanding character myself and so I am going to exercise extreme kindness and bow to the litigious folk between the shining seas by quoting from a dictionary which I believe is held in highest esteem by our wayward cousins, namely, Webster's Seventh New Collegiate, on the flyleaves of which the latest date I can find is 1966. Sadly, it's cloth- not Morocco- bound! Why are you using an obsolete reference? It's 45 years old: the language has evolved since then. I'll bet it doesn't include any mention of a telecommunications device under cellular, for example; it may not even include integrated circuit. Plus that's hardly a highly esteemed dictionary (little-known fact: Webster's on a dictionary has no significance - it's just an attempt to cadge some legitimacy by invoking Noah Webster's name). Try AHD or OED (both of which do support the usage). I don't think cherry-picking your references enhances your credibility. Look at any modern dictionary: I suspect you'll find they're synonyms. (I say suspect because I haven't checked them all, of course.) Ye're rowin' agin the tide, son... ...phsiii -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What does issue mean? (Was: SDSF issue)
The OP's father might worry that his issue has issued an issue re 'issue'... -- zMan -- I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What does issue mean? (Was: SDSF issue)
On 5/17/2011 3:32 PM, Tony Harminc wrote: On 17 May 2011 16:32, Donnelly, John Pjohn.p.donne...@nsc.com wrote: But you did not allow for 'issue' and 'problem' in the pluperfect progressive grammatical tense. I had been thinking that someone would raise this issue. Tony H. Classy comment, Tony! -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com * To get a good Return on your Investment, first make an investment! + Training your people is an excellent investment * Try our new tool for calculating your Return On Investment for training dollars at http://www.trainersfriend.com/ROI/roi.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What does issue mean? (Was: SDSF issue)
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 3:05 PM, Steve Comstock st...@trainersfriend.comwrote: On 5/17/2011 3:32 PM, Tony Harminc wrote: On 17 May 2011 16:32, Donnelly, John Pjohn.p.donne...@nsc.com wrote: But you did not allow for 'issue' and 'problem' in the pluperfect progressive grammatical tense. I had been thinking that someone would raise this issue. Tony H. Classy comment, Tony! Guys this is becoming an issue ... Will a problem report be required? -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com * To get a good Return on your Investment, first make an investment! + Training your people is an excellent investment * Try our new tool for calculating your Return On Investment for training dollars at http://www.trainersfriend.com/ROI/roi.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What does issue mean? (Was: SDSF issue)
Webster's on a dictionary has no significance - it's just an attempt to cadge some legitimacy by invoking Noah Webster's name). Try AHD or OED (both of which do support the usage). Dictionaries do NOT support usage! They report it! Any usage is subject to consensus. We, when I was a kid, used to say ain't ain't in the dictionary. It is, now! - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What does issue mean? (Was: SDSF issue)
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca wrote: Webster's on a dictionary has no significance - it's just an attempt to cadge some legitimacy by invoking Noah Webster's name). Try AHD or OED (both of which do support the usage). Dictionaries do NOT support usage! They report it! Any usage is subject to consensus. We, when I was a kid, used to say ain't ain't in the dictionary. It is, now! Good point...that's what I meant by support: they assert that it is a common usage. The better ones (AHD comes to mind) include comments on non-standard usage-and these evolve with each revision. (There's no such note for issue as a synonym for problem.) As a broad example, compound nouns typically evolve from open (web server) to hyphenated (web-server) to closed (webserver). The OED, of course, has a group who do nothing but track this evolution and make updates for the next rev. However, note that the OP seems convinced that dictionaries define 'correct' spelling and usage... ...phsiii -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What does issue mean? (Was: SDSF issue)
Sometime soon, this issue (def n 6) may become a problem (of additional IBM-MAIN noise). I hope we can cease the issues (def vt 1a) on the list soon before Darren rightly points out that dictionaries and proper word usage have little relationship to mainframe topics of discussion. Dave Gibney Information Technology Services Washington State University -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 4:05 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: What does issue mean? (Was: SDSF issue) Webster's on a dictionary has no significance - it's just an attempt to cadge some legitimacy by invoking Noah Webster's name). Try AHD or OED (both of which do support the usage). Dictionaries do NOT support usage! They report it! Any usage is subject to consensus. We, when I was a kid, used to say ain't ain't in the dictionary. It is, now! - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What does issue mean? (Was: SDSF issue)
Time to reel in the kids. Kill this thread. Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca wrote in message news: 1305551674-1305673483-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-1802551282-@b2.c1.bise6.blackberry... Webster's on a dictionary has no significance - it's just an attempt to cadge some legitimacy by invoking Noah Webster's name). Try AHD or OED (both of which do support the usage). Dictionaries do NOT support usage! They report it! Any usage is subject to consensus. We, when I was a kid, used to say ain't ain't in the dictionary. It is, now! - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What does issue mean? (Was: SDSF issue)
Do you honestly think that Gates is the author of the Thesaurus shipped with Office? And as for defining my language, the English I speak and spell is much closer to the real thing then the one you use. So what? And so we get to your newest subject de jour; I am a sad character. Well what did I do to attract a personal attack? Whatever, I guess it makes it OK to return the same in kind, Chris please STFU. You won't find that acronym in a VTAM manual, and I really don't care if your do. Context is everything and so you know exactly what I mean. Gates? You trust Gates to define your language for you? You must be joking or, if you are not, a sadder character than I thought. Well everyone, this LISTSERV has been hijacked by one contributor and is now bordering on the ridiculous. Good day and good luck to all those I have debated, agreed with, and most importantly learnt from for the last 14 years, but It's farewell from me. I'll watch for it to be renamed to USS-IS-A-VTAM-ACRONYM-MAIN sometime in the future. I'll look out for you at the IBM-MAIN table at SCIDS next Share. Ton -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What to do with misdirected questions (Was: SDSF issue)
Well bully for you... -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Chris Mason Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 12:32 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: [IBM-MAIN] What to do with misdirected questions (Was: SDSF issue) ... and don't give a toss where he posts his questions. Well, in total contrast, I do, assuming I spot them - in order that he may this time and next time and the time after that more accurately target his burgeoning queries. Chris Mason On Tue, 17 May 2011 09:45:17 -0700, Ron Hawkins ron.hawkins1...@sbcglobal.net wrote: ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What does issue mean? (Was: SDSF issue)
Does this Mason have a job? - Original Message - From: Ron Hawkins ron.hawkins1...@sbcglobal.net Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2011 9:12 PM Subject: Re: What does issue mean? (Was: SDSF issue) Do you honestly think that Gates is the author of the Thesaurus shipped with Office? And as for defining my language, the English I speak and spell is much closer to the real thing then the one you use. So what? And so we get to your newest subject de jour; I am a sad character. Well what did I do to attract a personal attack? Whatever, I guess it makes it OK to return the same in kind, Chris please STFU. You won't find that acronym in a VTAM manual, and I really don't care if your do. Context is everything and so you know exactly what I mean. Gates? You trust Gates to define your language for you? You must be joking or, if you are not, a sadder character than I thought. Well everyone, this LISTSERV has been hijacked by one contributor and is now bordering on the ridiculous. Good day and good luck to all those I have debated, agreed with, and most importantly learnt from for the last 14 years, but It's farewell from me. I'll watch for it to be renamed to USS-IS-A-VTAM-ACRONYM-MAIN sometime in the future. I'll look out for you at the IBM-MAIN table at SCIDS next Share. Ton -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What does issue mean? (Was: SDSF issue)
On 18/05/2011 9:12 AM, Ron Hawkins wrote: Well everyone, this LISTSERV has been hijacked by one contributor and is now bordering on the ridiculous. Good day and good luck to all those I have debated, agreed with, and most importantly learnt from for the last 14 years, but It's farewell from me. I'll watch for it to be renamed to USS-IS-A-VTAM-ACRONYM-MAIN sometime in the future. I'll look out for you at the IBM-MAIN table at SCIDS next Share. Please re-consider Ron. A list forum is only as good as it's experts and you're a fair dinkum expert. You can always plonk trolls into your kill list. Ton -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What does issue mean? (Was: SDSF issue)
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Ron Hawkins ron.hawkins1...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Do you honestly think that Gates is the author of the Thesaurus shipped with Office? deleted The last software Bill Gates wrote was the TRS-80 Model 100 http://www.club100.org/press/04/feature.html -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
