Re: SMF70PMU question
Jeez Jim, sorry about that. Haste makes waste and in this case I hurriedly replied without confirming, hate when I do that... --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Horne, Jim - James S jim.s.ho...@lowes.com wrote: From: Horne, Jim - James S jim.s.ho...@lowes.com Subject: Re: SMF70PMU question To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 6:51 PM Patrick, I appreciate the reply but I believe you have confused SMF70PMU with SMF70PMT. Thanks, Jim -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Patrick Falcone Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 2:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SMF70PMU question No, its an arbitrary number that has a maximum of 200 units which would be 20% of a general purpose CP. This would be in relation to blocked workloads and how much CP to give them to get them dispatched and serviced to possibly release resources being held by the blocker. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMF70PMU question
Hi Jim, One more thing to keep in mind is that MXG converts the SMF70PMI, SMF70PMU, SMF70PMW variables to average per second values (Barry divides these variables by NRSAMPLE). Barry often renames variables when he changes the raw SMF value by some algorithm, but he did not do so in this case. MXG does describe the variables as AVG* in the LABEL for each variable, but you could easily miss that description unless you did a PROC CONTENTS. Consequently, the real values are much larger than what you might expect when looking at these variables in the MXG TYPE70 file. Best regards, Don ** Don Deese, Computer Management Sciences, Inc. Voice: (804) 776-7109 Fax: (804) 776-7139 http://www.cpexpert.org ** At 12:57 PM 3/31/2009, you wrote: Can anyone confirm if the SMF70PMU parameter in the RMF TYPE70 records is in service units? If not, what are the units? Seconds, milliseconds, widgets or what? Thanks, Jim Horne Systems Programmer Large Systems Engineering Messaging IS7-5 Lowe's Companies, Inc. 401 Elkin Highway North Wilkesboro, NC 28659 336-658-4959 jim.ho...@lowes.com NOTICE: All information in and attached to the e-mail(s) below may be proprietary, confidential, privileged and otherwise protected from improper or erroneous disclosure. If you are not the sender's intended recipient, you are not authorized to intercept, read, print, retain, copy, forward, or disseminate this message. If you have erroneously received this communication, please notify the sender immediately by phone (704-758-1000) or by e-mail and destroy all copies of this message (electronic, paper, or otherwise). Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMF70PMU question
Don, Thanks. I had already looked at VMAC7072 and multiplied them by NRSAMPLE to turn them back into totals. Great minds think alike :). I always check Barry's code so I know that what MXG is telling me is the same thing RMF uses in report generation. Jim Horne Systems Programmer Large Systems Engineering Messaging IS7-5 Lowe's Companies, Inc. 401 Elkin Highway North Wilkesboro, NC 28659 336-658-4959 jim.ho...@lowes.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Don Deese Sent: Wednesday, April 01, 2009 8:35 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SMF70PMU question Hi Jim, One more thing to keep in mind is that MXG converts the SMF70PMI, SMF70PMU, SMF70PMW variables to average per second values (Barry divides these variables by NRSAMPLE). Barry often renames variables when he changes the raw SMF value by some algorithm, but he did not do so in this case. MXG does describe the variables as AVG* in the LABEL for each variable, but you could easily miss that description unless you did a PROC CONTENTS. Consequently, the real values are much larger than what you might expect when looking at these variables in the MXG TYPE70 file. Best regards, Don ** Don Deese, Computer Management Sciences, Inc. Voice: (804) 776-7109 Fax: (804) 776-7139 http://www.cpexpert.org ** At 12:57 PM 3/31/2009, you wrote: Can anyone confirm if the SMF70PMU parameter in the RMF TYPE70 records is in service units? If not, what are the units? Seconds, milliseconds, widgets or what? Thanks, Jim Horne Systems Programmer Large Systems Engineering Messaging IS7-5 Lowe's Companies, Inc. 401 Elkin Highway North Wilkesboro, NC 28659 336-658-4959 jim.ho...@lowes.com NOTICE: All information in and attached to the e-mail(s) below may be proprietary, confidential, privileged and otherwise protected from improper or erroneous disclosure. If you are not the sender's intended recipient, you are not authorized to intercept, read, print, retain, copy, forward, or disseminate this message. If you have erroneously received this communication, please notify the sender immediately by phone (704-758-1000) or by e-mail and destroy all copies of this message (electronic, paper, or otherwise). Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html NOTICE: All information in and attached to the e-mail(s) below may be proprietary, confidential, privileged and otherwise protected from improper or erroneous disclosure. If you are not the sender's intended recipient, you are not authorized to intercept, read, print, retain, copy, forward, or disseminate this message. If you have erroneously received this communication, please notify the sender immediately by phone (704-758-1000) or by e-mail and destroy all copies of this message (electronic, paper, or otherwise). Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
SMF70PMU question
Can anyone confirm if the SMF70PMU parameter in the RMF TYPE70 records is in service units? If not, what are the units? Seconds, milliseconds, widgets or what? Thanks, Jim Horne Systems Programmer Large Systems Engineering Messaging IS7-5 Lowe's Companies, Inc. 401 Elkin Highway North Wilkesboro, NC 28659 336-658-4959 jim.ho...@lowes.com NOTICE: All information in and attached to the e-mail(s) below may be proprietary, confidential, privileged and otherwise protected from improper or erroneous disclosure. If you are not the sender's intended recipient, you are not authorized to intercept, read, print, retain, copy, forward, or disseminate this message. If you have erroneously received this communication, please notify the sender immediately by phone (704-758-1000) or by e-mail and destroy all copies of this message (electronic, paper, or otherwise). Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMF70PMU question
No, its an arbitrary number that has a maximum of 200 units which would be 20% of a general purpose CP. This would be in relation to blocked workloads and how much CP to give them to get them dispatched and serviced to possibly release resources being held by the blocker. --- On Tue, 3/31/09, Horne, Jim - James S jim.s.ho...@lowes.com wrote: From: Horne, Jim - James S jim.s.ho...@lowes.com Subject: SMF70PMU question To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: Tuesday, March 31, 2009, 5:57 PM Can anyone confirm if the SMF70PMU parameter in the RMF TYPE70 records is in service units? If not, what are the units? Seconds, milliseconds, widgets or what? Thanks, Jim Horne Systems Programmer Large Systems Engineering Messaging IS7-5 Lowe's Companies, Inc. 401 Elkin Highway North Wilkesboro, NC 28659 336-658-4959 jim.ho...@lowes.com NOTICE: All information in and attached to the e-mail(s) below may be proprietary, confidential, privileged and otherwise protected from improper or erroneous disclosure. If you are not the sender's intended recipient, you are not authorized to intercept, read, print, retain, copy, forward, or disseminate this message. If you have erroneously received this communication, please notify the sender immediately by phone (704-758-1000) or by e-mail and destroy all copies of this message (electronic, paper, or otherwise). Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMF70PMU question
Hi Jim, This is a count (the number of blocked dispatchable units being promoted during the interval). Best regards, Don ** Don Deese, Computer Management Sciences, Inc. Voice: (804) 776-7109 Fax: (8043) 776-7139 http://www.cpexpert.org ** At 12:57 PM 3/31/2009, you wrote: Can anyone confirm if the SMF70PMU parameter in the RMF TYPE70 records is in service units? If not, what are the units? Seconds, milliseconds, widgets or what? Thanks, Jim Horne Systems Programmer Large Systems Engineering Messaging IS7-5 Lowe's Companies, Inc. 401 Elkin Highway North Wilkesboro, NC 28659 336-658-4959 jim.ho...@lowes.com NOTICE: All information in and attached to the e-mail(s) below may be proprietary, confidential, privileged and otherwise protected from improper or erroneous disclosure. If you are not the sender's intended recipient, you are not authorized to intercept, read, print, retain, copy, forward, or disseminate this message. If you have erroneously received this communication, please notify the sender immediately by phone (704-758-1000) or by e-mail and destroy all copies of this message (electronic, paper, or otherwise). Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMF70PMU question
Don, To make sure I understand what you are saying, it would be fair to say that the number is the number of elements promoted during the interval, right? Why does the SMF manual have to go out of its way to be confusing? (Don't bother answering that; it's a rhetorical questions.) Thanks, Jim Jim Horne Systems Programmer Large Systems Engineering Messaging IS7-5 Lowe's Companies, Inc. 401 Elkin Highway North Wilkesboro, NC 28659 336-658-4959 jim.ho...@lowes.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Don Deese Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 3:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SMF70PMU question Hi Jim, This is a count (the number of blocked dispatchable units being promoted during the interval). Best regards, Don ** Don Deese, Computer Management Sciences, Inc. Voice: (804) 776-7109 Fax: (8043) 776-7139 http://www.cpexpert.org ** At 12:57 PM 3/31/2009, you wrote: Can anyone confirm if the SMF70PMU parameter in the RMF TYPE70 records is in service units? If not, what are the units? Seconds, milliseconds, widgets or what? Thanks, Jim Horne Systems Programmer Large Systems Engineering Messaging IS7-5 Lowe's Companies, Inc. 401 Elkin Highway North Wilkesboro, NC 28659 336-658-4959 jim.ho...@lowes.com NOTICE: All information in and attached to the e-mail(s) below may be proprietary, confidential, privileged and otherwise protected from improper or erroneous disclosure. If you are not the sender's intended recipient, you are not authorized to intercept, read, print, retain, copy, forward, or disseminate this message. If you have erroneously received this communication, please notify the sender immediately by phone (704-758-1000) or by e-mail and destroy all copies of this message (electronic, paper, or otherwise). Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html NOTICE: All information in and attached to the e-mail(s) below may be proprietary, confidential, privileged and otherwise protected from improper or erroneous disclosure. If you are not the sender's intended recipient, you are not authorized to intercept, read, print, retain, copy, forward, or disseminate this message. If you have erroneously received this communication, please notify the sender immediately by phone (704-758-1000) or by e-mail and destroy all copies of this message (electronic, paper, or otherwise). Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMF70PMU question
Patrick, I appreciate the reply but I believe you have confused SMF70PMU with SMF70PMT. Thanks, Jim -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Patrick Falcone Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 2:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SMF70PMU question No, its an arbitrary number that has a maximum of 200 units which would be 20% of a general purpose CP. This would be in relation to blocked workloads and how much CP to give them to get them dispatched and serviced to possibly release resources being held by the blocker. NOTICE: All information in and attached to the e-mail(s) below may be proprietary, confidential, privileged and otherwise protected from improper or erroneous disclosure. If you are not the sender's intended recipient, you are not authorized to intercept, read, print, retain, copy, forward, or disseminate this message. If you have erroneously received this communication, please notify the sender immediately by phone (704-758-1000) or by e-mail and destroy all copies of this message (electronic, paper, or otherwise). Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMF70PMU question
On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:48:52 -0400, Horne, Jim - James S jim.s.ho...@lowes.com wrote: To make sure I understand what you are saying, it would be fair to say that the number is the number of elements promoted during the interval, right? Why does the SMF manual have to go out of its way to be confusing? (Don't bother answering that; it's a rhetorical questions.) The SMF books says Number of blocked dispatchable units being promoted during the interval. What is confusing in that description? -- Horst Sinram IBM System z Capacity Management Workload Management -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMF70PMU question
The SMF books says Number of blocked dispatchable units being promoted during the interval. What is confusing in that description? I think the OP may be confused as to what it means. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMF70PMU question
unit is very ambiguous, especially considering how many different ways RMF uses it. Jim Horne Systems Programmer Large Systems Engineering Messaging IS7-5 Lowe's Companies, Inc. 401 Elkin Highway North Wilkesboro, NC 28659 336-658-4959 jim.ho...@lowes.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Horst Sinram Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 3:10 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SMF70PMU question On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:48:52 -0400, Horne, Jim - James S jim.s.ho...@lowes.com wrote: To make sure I understand what you are saying, it would be fair to say that the number is the number of elements promoted during the interval, right? Why does the SMF manual have to go out of its way to be confusing? (Don't bother answering that; it's a rhetorical questions.) The SMF books says Number of blocked dispatchable units being promoted during the interval. What is confusing in that description? -- Horst Sinram IBM System z Capacity Management Workload Management -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html NOTICE: All information in and attached to the e-mail(s) below may be proprietary, confidential, privileged and otherwise protected from improper or erroneous disclosure. If you are not the sender's intended recipient, you are not authorized to intercept, read, print, retain, copy, forward, or disseminate this message. If you have erroneously received this communication, please notify the sender immediately by phone (704-758-1000) or by e-mail and destroy all copies of this message (electronic, paper, or otherwise). Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMF70PMU question
If it said Number of blocked units being promoted during the interval. You would have a point, but since it states dispatchable units it removes the ambiguity. === Wayne Driscoll Omegamon DB2 L3 Support/Development wdrisco(AT)us.ibm.com === Horne, Jim - James S jim.s.ho...@lowes.com Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu 03/31/2009 02:18 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu To IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu cc Subject Re: SMF70PMU question unit is very ambiguous, especially considering how many different ways RMF uses it. Jim Horne Systems Programmer Large Systems Engineering Messaging IS7-5 Lowe's Companies, Inc. 401 Elkin Highway North Wilkesboro, NC 28659 336-658-4959 jim.ho...@lowes.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Horst Sinram Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2009 3:10 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: SMF70PMU question On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 14:48:52 -0400, Horne, Jim - James S jim.s.ho...@lowes.com wrote: To make sure I understand what you are saying, it would be fair to say that the number is the number of elements promoted during the interval, right? Why does the SMF manual have to go out of its way to be confusing? (Don't bother answering that; it's a rhetorical questions.) The SMF books says Number of blocked dispatchable units being promoted during the interval. What is confusing in that description? -- Horst Sinram IBM System z Capacity Management Workload Management -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html NOTICE: All information in and attached to the e-mail(s) below may be proprietary, confidential, privileged and otherwise protected from improper or erroneous disclosure. If you are not the sender's intended recipient, you are not authorized to intercept, read, print, retain, copy, forward, or disseminate this message. If you have erroneously received this communication, please notify the sender immediately by phone (704-758-1000) or by e-mail and destroy all copies of this message (electronic, paper, or otherwise). Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: SMF70PMU question
If it said Number of blocked units being promoted during the interval. You would have a point, but since it states dispatchable units it removes the ambiguity. Maybe for people with English as a first language. It would probably read better as jobs/tasks/Units of Work. But, 'unit' is an over-used term in IBM-Speak. Rather than dunning somebody for 'being confused', we should be dunning the author for incomplete staff work. Remember, the purpose of clear communication is not to ensure you're understood. Rather, it's to ensure you're not mis-understood. Whenever I communicate something and the listener/reader claims mis-understanding, I don't condemn them. I attempt to clarify -- and, I KNOW I don't always succeed. - Too busy driving to stop for gas! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
