Re: SMFPRMxx ACTIVE/NOACTIVE parameter and SMF exit IEFACTRT

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In <4ebc3ed0.4040...@ync.net>, on 11/10/2011
   at 03:14 PM, Rick Fochtman  said:

>This is the behaviour I would expect. IEFACTRT is dependant on the
>data collected by SMF processing.

There is a difference between SMF data collection and SMF data
recording. Tying them together is, IMHO, a design defect.

>No SMF processing means no data,

BAD.
 
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Re: SMFPRMxx ACTIVE/NOACTIVE parameter and SMF exit IEFACTRT

[Gerhard Postpischil]

On 11/10/2011 4:14 PM, Rick Fochtman wrote:

This is the behaviour I would expect. IEFACTRT is dependant on
the data collected by SMF processing. No SMF processing means no
data, therefore, no reason to even attempt invoking the exit.


While irrelevant to the OP, IEFACTRT antedates SMF by a few 
years (note that SMF exits have an IEFU prefix), and I used it 
for accounting prior to the availability of SMF data. IBM 
normally tends to be pretty conservative about keeping things 
working, so my expectation would be for IEFACTRT to be invoked 
even without SMF active.


Gerhard Postpischil
Bradford, VT

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Re: SMFPRMxx ACTIVE/NOACTIVE parameter and SMF exit IEFACTRT

[Rick Fochtman]

I would think that's dependant on when the filters are applied: during 
collection or just before writing the completed record. You may be 
right; I just don't know with a high-enough level of certainty.


Rick
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Ford Prefect wrote:


Rick,

I don't think your method would work.  If you suppress the record types
that IEFACTRT is dependent on then it will not be called.  If you want the
exit to be called but not have the records recorded I think you would have
to exclude them with IEFU8x.

Scott

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Rick Fochtman  wrote:

 


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  Is this supposed to work this way?  I've just spent a bit of time in
   


the Init & Tuning Reference, and nothing in there indicates what I'm
seeing.  On a z/OS 1.12 system, if the SMFPRM member has NOACTIVE set, my
IEFACTRT exit is not invoked.  When I set it to ACTIVE, it is.  Only change
I make in the SMFPRM member.  If I do a D PROG,EXIT,EN=SYS.IEFACTRT my exit
shows up and is marked as active, no matter which SMFPRM setting I am using
for ACTIVE/NOACTIVE.  However, only when the member is set to record with
ACTIVE does my SMF exit get called.  Is this working as designed?  Anybody
know?  What I wanted to do was to turn off recording of SMF records, but
still use the exits to communicate to my server address space.  The exits
are installed programatically using the dynamic exits facility, if that
makes any difference.

 


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This is the behaviour I would expect. IEFACTRT is dependant on the data
collected by SMF processing. No SMF processing means no data, therefore, no
reason to even attempt invoking the exit.

Try using it with SMF ACTIVE and use the NOTYPE(nnn...nnn) operand to
supress recording of actual records.

Rick


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Re: SMFPRMxx ACTIVE/NOACTIVE parameter and SMF exit IEFACTRT

[Ford Prefect]

Rick,

I don't think your method would work.  If you suppress the record types
that IEFACTRT is dependent on then it will not be called.  If you want the
exit to be called but not have the records recorded I think you would have
to exclude them with IEFU8x.

Scott

On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 4:14 PM, Rick Fochtman  wrote:

> --****
> --
>
>
>Is this supposed to work this way?  I've just spent a bit of time in
>> the Init & Tuning Reference, and nothing in there indicates what I'm
>> seeing.  On a z/OS 1.12 system, if the SMFPRM member has NOACTIVE set, my
>> IEFACTRT exit is not invoked.  When I set it to ACTIVE, it is.  Only change
>> I make in the SMFPRM member.  If I do a D PROG,EXIT,EN=SYS.IEFACTRT my exit
>> shows up and is marked as active, no matter which SMFPRM setting I am using
>> for ACTIVE/NOACTIVE.  However, only when the member is set to record with
>> ACTIVE does my SMF exit get called.  Is this working as designed?  Anybody
>> know?  What I wanted to do was to turn off recording of SMF records, but
>> still use the exits to communicate to my server address space.  The exits
>> are installed programatically using the dynamic exits facility, if that
>> makes any difference.
>>
> --**--**
> ---
> This is the behaviour I would expect. IEFACTRT is dependant on the data
> collected by SMF processing. No SMF processing means no data, therefore, no
> reason to even attempt invoking the exit.
>
> Try using it with SMF ACTIVE and use the NOTYPE(nnn...nnn) operand to
> supress recording of actual records.
>
> Rick
>
>
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Re: SMFPRMxx ACTIVE/NOACTIVE parameter and SMF exit IEFACTRT

[Rick Fochtman]

   Is this supposed to work this way?  I've just spent a bit of time in the Init & Tuning Reference, and nothing in there indicates what I'm seeing.  On a z/OS 1.12 system, if the SMFPRM member has NOACTIVE set, my IEFACTRT exit is not invoked.  When I set it to ACTIVE, it is.  Only change I make in the SMFPRM member.  If I do a D PROG,EXIT,EN=SYS.IEFACTRT my exit shows up and is marked as active, no matter which SMFPRM setting I am using for ACTIVE/NOACTIVE.  However, only when the member is set to record with ACTIVE does my SMF exit get called.  Is this working as designed?  Anybody know?  What I wanted to do was to turn off recording of SMF records, but still use the exits to communicate to my server address space.  The exits are installed programatically using the dynamic exits facility, if that makes any difference.  
 


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This is the behaviour I would expect. IEFACTRT is dependant on the data 
collected by SMF processing. No SMF processing means no data, therefore, 
no reason to even attempt invoking the exit.


Try using it with SMF ACTIVE and use the NOTYPE(nnn...nnn) operand to 
supress recording of actual records.


Rick

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Re: SMFPRMxx ACTIVE/NOACTIVE parameter and SMF exit IEFACTRT

[Ford Prefect]

To reinforce what I said earlier:
http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/cgi-bin/bookmgr_OS390/BOOKS/IEA2E4B0/2.21?SHELF=IEA2BKB2&DT=20100701092419
"The system invokes IEFACTRT only when the installation is collecting SMF
record types 4, 5, 30, 32, 34, or 35."

On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Ford Prefect  wrote:

> When you specify NOACTIVE, the system does not record any SMF data,
> therefor it does not call any exits related to those records.
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Dave Day wrote:
>
>>Is this supposed to work this way?  I've just spent a bit of time in
>> the Init & Tuning Reference, and nothing in there indicates what I'm
>> seeing.  On a z/OS 1.12 system, if the SMFPRM member has NOACTIVE set, my
>> IEFACTRT exit is not invoked.  When I set it to ACTIVE, it is.  Only change
>> I make in the SMFPRM member.  If I do a D PROG,EXIT,EN=SYS.IEFACTRT my exit
>> shows up and is marked as active, no matter which SMFPRM setting I am using
>> for ACTIVE/NOACTIVE.  However, only when the member is set to record with
>> ACTIVE does my SMF exit get called.  Is this working as designed?  Anybody
>> know?  What I wanted to do was to turn off recording of SMF records, but
>> still use the exits to communicate to my server address space.  The exits
>> are installed programatically using the dynamic exits facility, if that
>> makes any difference.
>>
>>--Dave
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Re: SMFPRMxx ACTIVE/NOACTIVE parameter and SMF exit IEFACTRT

[Elardus Engelbrecht]

Dave Day wrote:

> Is this supposed to work this way?  I've just spent a bit of time in the Init 
> & Tuning Reference, and nothing in there indicates what I'm seeing.  On a 
> z/OS 1.12 system, if the SMFPRM member has NOACTIVE set, my IEFACTRT exit is 
> not invoked.  When I set it to ACTIVE, it is.  Only change I make in the 
> SMFPRM member.  

NOACTIVE is for the WHOLE SMF subsystem, not for parts of it. But see below my 
answer.


>If I do a D PROG,EXIT,EN=SYS.IEFACTRT my exit shows up and is marked as 
>active, no matter which SMFPRM setting I am using for ACTIVE/NOACTIVE.  
>However, only when the member is set to record with ACTIVE does my SMF exit 
>get called.  Is this working as designed?

As documented and if you don't want to activate the exit, ensure you are NOT 
stating EXITS(IEFACTRT) anywhere.


>What I wanted to do was to turn off recording of SMF records, but still use 
>the exits to communicate to my server address space. 

Turn off recording SMF while using exits? I'm not sure what you want, but you 
can try something like this:

SYS(NOTYPE(0:255),EXITS())

(and also for the other SUBSYS too)

> The exits are installed programatically using the dynamic exits facility, if 
> that makes any difference.  

AFAIK, it will not make any difference.

HTH!

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

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Re: SMFPRMxx ACTIVE/NOACTIVE parameter and SMF exit IEFACTRT

[Ford Prefect]

When you specify NOACTIVE, the system does not record any SMF data,
therefor it does not call any exits related to those records.

On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Dave Day  wrote:

>Is this supposed to work this way?  I've just spent a bit of time in
> the Init & Tuning Reference, and nothing in there indicates what I'm
> seeing.  On a z/OS 1.12 system, if the SMFPRM member has NOACTIVE set, my
> IEFACTRT exit is not invoked.  When I set it to ACTIVE, it is.  Only change
> I make in the SMFPRM member.  If I do a D PROG,EXIT,EN=SYS.IEFACTRT my exit
> shows up and is marked as active, no matter which SMFPRM setting I am using
> for ACTIVE/NOACTIVE.  However, only when the member is set to record with
> ACTIVE does my SMF exit get called.  Is this working as designed?  Anybody
> know?  What I wanted to do was to turn off recording of SMF records, but
> still use the exits to communicate to my server address space.  The exits
> are installed programatically using the dynamic exits facility, if that
> makes any difference.
>
>--Dave
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Re: SMFPRMxx ACTIVE/NOACTIVE parameter and SMF exit IEFACTRT

[Linda Mooney]

HI Dave, 



A little futher down in the same member look at the SYS parm. You can code TYPE 
or NOTYPE.  You might try coding it this way, along with any other parms you 
need. 



SYS(NOTYPE(0:255),EXITS(xyz) etc... 


HTH, 

Linda 

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From: "Dave Day"  
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Sent: Wednesday, November 9, 2011 3:30:25 PM 
Subject: SMFPRMxx ACTIVE/NOACTIVE parameter and SMF exit IEFACTRT 

    Is this supposed to work this way?  I've just spent a bit of time in the 
Init & Tuning Reference, and nothing in there indicates what I'm seeing.  On a 
z/OS 1.12 system, if the SMFPRM member has NOACTIVE set, my IEFACTRT exit is 
not invoked.  When I set it to ACTIVE, it is.  Only change I make in the SMFPRM 
member.  If I do a D PROG,EXIT,EN=SYS.IEFACTRT my exit shows up and is marked 
as active, no matter which SMFPRM setting I am using for ACTIVE/NOACTIVE.  
However, only when the member is set to record with ACTIVE does my SMF exit get 
called.  Is this working as designed?  Anybody know?  What I wanted to do was 
to turn off recording of SMF records, but still use the exits to communicate to 
my server address space.  The exits are installed programatically using the 
dynamic exits facility, if that makes any difference.   

    --Dave 

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SMFPRMxx ACTIVE/NOACTIVE parameter and SMF exit IEFACTRT

[Dave Day]

Is this supposed to work this way?  I've just spent a bit of time in the 
Init & Tuning Reference, and nothing in there indicates what I'm seeing.  On a 
z/OS 1.12 system, if the SMFPRM member has NOACTIVE set, my IEFACTRT exit is 
not invoked.  When I set it to ACTIVE, it is.  Only change I make in the SMFPRM 
member.  If I do a D PROG,EXIT,EN=SYS.IEFACTRT my exit shows up and is marked 
as active, no matter which SMFPRM setting I am using for ACTIVE/NOACTIVE.  
However, only when the member is set to record with ACTIVE does my SMF exit get 
called.  Is this working as designed?  Anybody know?  What I wanted to do was 
to turn off recording of SMF records, but still use the exits to communicate to 
my server address space.  The exits are installed programatically using the 
dynamic exits facility, if that makes any difference.  

--Dave

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