Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me
Hilario, Despite the off-topic comments, you have a legitimate request. And I suspect that over the next couple of years, there will be similar requests on this forum from other new sysprogs. Before you can function as a system programmer, you will need to become familiar with the mainframe. I have a link on my website for a couple of z/OS 101 Primers - http://www.watsonwalker.com/articles.html, which is one place you can start. For you, one of the best will be the Redbook called the P/390: OS/390 New User's Cookbook - SG24-4757 - http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg244757.html?Open. This was developed for a developer's machine in 1999, but it is quite handy for a new sysprog. By using the links provided in responses to your question and the links in my primer, you should have a good start on learning the mainframe. With that in hand, however, the task of migrating from z/OS 1.7 to z/OS 1.11 is almost an impossible task without some experienced help. No matter what country you're in, you can probably locate someone who can help you remotely, and I think you'll need that. Depending on the size of your current installation, you might well have a better chance of success with installing z/OS 1.11 in a separate LPAR and slowly move the libraries and user to the new machine. If you go this route, try to use IBM's defaults whenever possible, rather than create new and difficult to manage naming standards. My best advice is to get your vendor, IBM or 3rd party, to get you started. Best regards, Cheryl == Cheryl Watson Watson Walker, Inc. www.watsonwalker.com 941-266-6609 == On Oct 4, 2010, at 12:51 PM, Hilario G. wrote: Hi colleagues, I have not work in mainframe environment and now I have to perform the functions of System Programmer. I have no time to attend training and in my country there are no planned training courses for not having enough workers to justify the course. Some of you you can tell me if there are training manuals or the can makes me get my email on the following topics: - Installing Z / OS - SMPE - SMS - RACF - USS - HFS - CICS - IMS / DB - REXX and CLIST - JES2 - VSAM - DB2 I have manuals that IBM would need is if someone has information that can help me (types of training books or notes). Thank you very much. Hilario -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me
Not worked in mainframes, yet ? Try the IBM Redbook series : Introduction to New Mainframe'. Nagesh On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:32 PM, Cheryl Walker che...@watsonwalker.comwrote: Hilario, Despite the off-topic comments, you have a legitimate request. And I suspect that over the next couple of years, there will be similar requests on this forum from other new sysprogs. Before you can function as a system programmer, you will need to become familiar with the mainframe. I have a link on my website for a couple of z/OS 101 Primers - http://www.watsonwalker.com/articles.html, which is one place you can start. For you, one of the best will be the Redbook called the P/390: OS/390 New User's Cookbook - SG24-4757 - http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg244757.html?Open. This was developed for a developer's machine in 1999, but it is quite handy for a new sysprog. By using the links provided in responses to your question and the links in my primer, you should have a good start on learning the mainframe. With that in hand, however, the task of migrating from z/OS 1.7 to z/OS 1.11 is almost an impossible task without some experienced help. No matter what country you're in, you can probably locate someone who can help you remotely, and I think you'll need that. Depending on the size of your current installation, you might well have a better chance of success with installing z/OS 1.11 in a separate LPAR and slowly move the libraries and user to the new machine. If you go this route, try to use IBM's defaults whenever possible, rather than create new and difficult to manage naming standards. My best advice is to get your vendor, IBM or 3rd party, to get you started. Best regards, Cheryl == Cheryl Watson Watson Walker, Inc. www.watsonwalker.com 941-266-6609 == On Oct 4, 2010, at 12:51 PM, Hilario G. wrote: Hi colleagues, I have not work in mainframe environment and now I have to perform the functions of System Programmer. I have no time to attend training and in my country there are no planned training courses for not having enough workers to justify the course. Some of you you can tell me if there are training manuals or the can makes me get my email on the following topics: - Installing Z / OS - SMPE - SMS - RACF - USS - HFS - CICS - IMS / DB - REXX and CLIST - JES2 - VSAM - DB2 I have manuals that IBM would need is if someone has information that can help me (types of training books or notes). Thank you very much. Hilario -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me
In 327370076-1286222331-cardhu_decombobulator_blackberry.rim.net-4655940...@bda011.bisx.prod.on.blackberry, on 10/04/2010 at 07:59 PM, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca said: A conservative is a liberal who has been mugged! A liberal is a conservative who has been laid off, hit with large medical bills or arrested on bogus charges. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me
English is not the, or even an, official language in Australia, U.K., or U.S.A. It is an official language in the British Commonwealth, the Commonwealth Games, United Nations, European Union, International Olympic Committee, Bangladesh, Botswana, Fiji, Ghana, Kenya, India, Lesotho, Liberia, Malawi, Malaysia, Malta, and at least 18 other sovereign nations whose names begin with the letters en through izzard. Bill Fairchild Rocket Software -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 4:15 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me No, I've already gotten in trouble for that one! The zed world doesn't understand. I wasn't trying to get anybody in trouble. It's just that there's only one country in the zee world. All the other jurisdictions with English as their/an official language pronounce it zed. I believe the remaining jurisdictions are: Australia Canada Hong Kong The UK New Zealand I'm not sure about: Luxemburg The Hague - I'm a SuperHero with neither powers, nor motivation! Kimota! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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http://video.canadiancontent.net/5-molson-i-am-canadian.html On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 21:06:09 +, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca wrote: zPlane, zPlane ... As I, and other Canadians, have already pointed out, this is a US-centric joke, and only funny in the States. zedPlane is just not funny in the other English Speaking countries. - I'm a SuperHero with neither powers, nor motivation! Kimota! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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http://video.canadiancontent.net/5-molson-i-am-canadian.html From about 10 years ago. - I'm a SuperHero with neither powers, nor motivation! Kimota! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me
re: installing z/OS without any experience (even as a competent user?), this book might also be considered: http://www.amazon.com/-Yourself-Brain-Surgery-Implausibly-Titled/dp/1608190196 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me
Hi colleagues, I have not work in mainframe environment and now I have to perform the functions of System Programmer. I have no time to attend training and in my country there are no planned training courses for not having enough workers to justify the course. Some of you you can tell me if there are training manuals or the can makes me get my email on the following topics: - Installing Z / OS - SMPE - SMS - RACF - USS - HFS - CICS - IMS / DB - REXX and CLIST - JES2 - VSAM - DB2 I have manuals that IBM would need is if someone has information that can help me (types of training books or notes). Thank you very much. Hilario -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me
Hi colleagues, I have not work in mainframe environment and now I have to perform the functions of System Programmer. I have no time to attend training and in my country there are no planned training courses for not having enough workers to justify the course. Some of you you can tell me if there are training manuals or the can makes me get my email on the following topics: - Installing Z / OS - SMPE - SMS - RACF - USS - HFS - CICS - IMS / DB - REXX and CLIST - JES2 - VSAM - DB2 I have manuals that IBM would need is if someone has information that can help me (types of training books or notes). Thank you very much. Hilario -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me
L.B. Dyck has a wonderful page pointing to some excellent IBM redbooks. May be tough going, but the information you need is in there! http://www.lbdsoftware.com/abcs.html ABCs of Systems Programming -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-691-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of John Smith Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 11:41 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me Hi colleagues, I have not work in mainframe environment and now I have to perform the functions of System Programmer. I have no time to attend training and in my country there are no planned training courses for not having enough workers to justify the course. Some of you you can tell me if there are training manuals or the can makes me get my email on the following topics: - Installing Z / OS - SMPE - SMS - RACF - USS - HFS - CICS - IMS / DB - REXX and CLIST - JES2 - VSAM - DB2 I have manuals that IBM would need is if someone has information that can help me (types of training books or notes). Thank you very much. Hilario -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me
On 10/4/2010 10:41 AM, John Smith wrote: Hi colleagues, I have not work in mainframe environment and now I have to perform the functions of System Programmer. I have no time to attend training and in my country there are no planned training courses for not having enough workers to justify the course. Some of you you can tell me if there are training manuals or the can makes me get my email on the following topics: - Installing Z / OS - SMPE - SMS - RACF - USS - HFS - CICS - IMS / DB - REXX and CLIST - JES2 - VSAM - DB2 I have manuals that IBM would need is if someone has information that can help me (types of training books or notes). Thank you very much. Hilario Well, I was going to refer you to the IBM Redbooks page, http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/ but I first checked it out and am getting: The Redbooks site is experiencing a system problem. Sorry for the inconvenience. So, when it's functioning you need to get the ABCs of Systems Programming series. It oughta' get you going. So, what country are you in? -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com * To get a good Return on your Investment, first make an investment! + Training your people is an excellent investment -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me
I'd also suggest getting two TSO IDs. One with all the RACF special access you need. Hopefully there is a security group to do that for you. Special accesses such as operations, special, auditor etc. Thank You, Paul Strauss Integrated Technology Delivery, Global Services, IBM L0DB z/OS MVS/Program Products/Security 150 Kettletown Rd. Southbury, CT 06488 (203) 272-2758 strau...@us.ibm.com From: Steve Comstock st...@trainersfriend.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 10/04/2010 01:04 PM Subject:Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu On 10/4/2010 10:41 AM, John Smith wrote: Hi colleagues, I have not work in mainframe environment and now I have to perform the functions of System Programmer. I have no time to attend training and in my country there are no planned training courses for not having enough workers to justify the course. Some of you you can tell me if there are training manuals or the can makes me get my email on the following topics: - Installing Z / OS - SMPE - SMS - RACF - USS - HFS - CICS - IMS / DB - REXX and CLIST - JES2 - VSAM - DB2 I have manuals that IBM would need is if someone has information that can help me (types of training books or notes). Thank you very much. Hilario Well, I was going to refer you to the IBM Redbooks page, http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/ but I first checked it out and am getting: The Redbooks site is experiencing a system problem. Sorry for the inconvenience. So, when it's functioning you need to get the ABCs of Systems Programming series. It oughta' get you going. So, what country are you in? -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com * To get a good Return on your Investment, first make an investment! + Training your people is an excellent investment -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me
Hello, Thank you all. I found information on the ABC's. What I find is on the installation of a Z / OS. Anyone know if there is any manual or notes about it. Anyone know if there is such information (at no installation training) to undertake this task. Thank you very much Hilario -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me
Go to the z/OS Basic Skills Center and look for the Installation and Maintenance link on the left. http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/zos/basics/index.jsp -- Donald Grinsell State of Montana 406-444-2983 dgrins...@mt.gov Hope is not a plan. -- Gen. Peter Pace, USMC -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Hilario G. Sent: Monday, 04 October 2010 11:42 To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me Hello, Thank you all. I found information on the ABC's. What I find is on the installation of a Z / OS. Anyone know if there is any manual or notes about it. Anyone know if there is such information (at no installation training) to undertake this task. Thank you very much Hilario -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me
Maybe they should hire some who knows the MF at one point they tried to outsource one of our Z/os MF guys, found out the hard way was not so easy and hired him back Steve Comstock st...@trainersfr IEND.COM To Sent by: IBM IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Mainframe cc Discussion List ibm-m...@bama.ua Subject .edu Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me 10/04/2010 12:59 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List ibm-m...@bama.ua .edu On 10/4/2010 10:41 AM, John Smith wrote: Hi colleagues, I have not work in mainframe environment and now I have to perform the functions of System Programmer. I have no time to attend training and in my country there are no planned training courses for not having enough workers to justify the course. Some of you you can tell me if there are training manuals or the can makes me get my email on the following topics: - Installing Z / OS - SMPE - SMS - RACF - USS - HFS - CICS - IMS / DB - REXX and CLIST - JES2 - VSAM - DB2 I have manuals that IBM would need is if someone has information that can help me (types of training books or notes). Thank you very much. Hilario Well, I was going to refer you to the IBM Redbooks page, http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/ but I first checked it out and am getting: The Redbooks site is experiencing a system problem. Sorry for the inconvenience. So, when it's functioning you need to get the ABCs of Systems Programming series. It oughta' get you going. So, what country are you in? -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com * To get a good Return on your Investment, first make an investment! + Training your people is an excellent investment -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me
Perhaps I should have asked what the OP's background is. If he is a Intel type person, he may be (no offense meant!) a put in a CD and boot to install type person. That's how I installed Windows. And Linux. And NetBSD. Much easier than doing a z/OS install. I vaguely remember the shear hell that it was to create an OS/VS1 system from scratch with only a DOS/VSE machine around. Had to get time from IBM at their data center, do a gen, then backup and do a stand-alone restore of the basic system. z/VM, now that is nifty since you can IPL and install it from a DVD on the HMC, or from tapes. So, first question: What is the OP's background? z/VM? z/VSE? Linux? UNIX? Windows? Any system admin type background? z/OS applications programmer? Other applications programmer? Web developer? ... -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-691-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me
Hello, The environment is a Z / OS 1.11. You have to make the installation of this version and migrate from a version Z / OS 1.7. Since there is no training in this regard, I would like to know if someone has training manuals about it. Also appreciate any comments or suggestions. Thank you very much Hilario -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me
You have a very, very tough job ahead of you if you have no experience with z/OS. z/OS is a complex package and not much like anything else. A lot of the documentation makes the assumption that you already know everything that came before. I doubt the likelihood of your success. Sorry. No offense to you. It is just a very complex and obscure problem you are facing. IBM has some prepackaged solutions, I believe at an additional cost. Your management might want to look into those, or into buying a few hours of someone's time to support you remotely while you attempt this. There are probably folks on this list (not me!) who might be qualified and willing to do this. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Hilario G. Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 11:23 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me Hello, The environment is a Z / OS 1.11. You have to make the installation of this version and migrate from a version Z / OS 1.7. Since there is no training in this regard, I would like to know if someone has training manuals about it. Also appreciate any comments or suggestions. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote: You have a very, very tough job ahead of you if you have no experience with z/OS. z/OS is a complex package and not much like anything else. A lot of the documentation makes the assumption that you already know everything that came before. I doubt the likelihood of your success. Sorry. No offense to you. It is just a very complex and obscure problem you are facing. IBM has some prepackaged solutions, I believe at an additional cost. Your management might want to look into those, or into buying a few hours of someone's time to support you remotely while you attempt this. There are probably folks on this list (not me!) who might be qualified and willing to do this. Well said. A metaphor might help: just because you've rebuilt a Model T doesn't mean you can easily work on a modern BMW. Or, for that matter, vice versa. -- zMan -- I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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sorry if my reply was so brunt, but this was exactly my thoughts also Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org To Sent by: IBM IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Mainframe cc Discussion List ibm-m...@bama.ua Subject .edu Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me 10/04/2010 02:48 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List ibm-m...@bama.ua .edu You have a very, very tough job ahead of you if you have no experience with z/OS. z/OS is a complex package and not much like anything else. A lot of the documentation makes the assumption that you already know everything that came before. I doubt the likelihood of your success. Sorry. No offense to you. It is just a very complex and obscure problem you are facing. IBM has some prepackaged solutions, I believe at an additional cost. Your management might want to look into those, or into buying a few hours of someone's time to support you remotely while you attempt this. There are probably folks on this list (not me!) who might be qualified and willing to do this. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Hilario G. Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 11:23 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me Hello, The environment is a Z / OS 1.11. You have to make the installation of this version and migrate from a version Z / OS 1.7. Since there is no training in this regard, I would like to know if someone has training manuals about it. Also appreciate any comments or suggestions. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me
I have not work in mainframe environment and now I have to perform the functions of System Programmer. Sent under two different names: John Smith and Hilario G. Very suspicious to me. - I'm a SuperHero with neither powers, nor motivation! Kimota! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 2:12 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me I have not work in mainframe environment and now I have to perform the functions of System Programmer. Sent under two different names: John Smith and Hilario G. Very suspicious to me. - I've seen that sort of thing from n00bs who copied and pasted. It only happened once and not since. Subsequent messages are all from Horatio. Not like somebody could crack a z/OS system using installation information. Never met a paranoid Canadian before GRIN. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-691-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me
Let me put it differently. I have been developing software on z/OS and its predecessors off and on since 1968. I have installed a particular form of IBM pre-packaged offering two or three times. I have owned (in both the legal and familiar sense of the word) three different very small IBM mainframes. I have taught an introduction to the IBM mainframe class. I have a copy of nearly every z/OS manual. I personally would not attempt to perform the upgrade of a production z/OS. I know for certain that there is no way I would end up with an optimally configured machine. I think the likelihood that I would end up with a brick would be just as great as my likelihood of success. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 11:46 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me You have a very, very tough job ahead of you if you have no experience with z/OS. z/OS is a complex package and not much like anything else. A lot of the documentation makes the assumption that you already know everything that came before. I doubt the likelihood of your success. Sorry. No offense to you. It is just a very complex and obscure problem you are facing. IBM has some prepackaged solutions, I believe at an additional cost. Your management might want to look into those, or into buying a few hours of someone's time to support you remotely while you attempt this. There are probably folks on this list (not me!) who might be qualified and willing to do this. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me
Nyah. His employer has downsized all of the mainframe expertise, figuring Horatio is bright and he's not real busy -- he can do it. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 12:12 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me I have not work in mainframe environment and now I have to perform the functions of System Programmer. Sent under two different names: John Smith and Hilario G. Very suspicious to me. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me
His first thought was to post on IBM-MAIN under a pseudonym. I'll bet zMan is not a real name either. Not a big deal. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of August Carideo Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 12:38 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me Two different names from same email address hmmm Hilario G. libr...@gmail.com John Smith libr...@gmail.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me
On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 3:19 PM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com wrote: Never met a paranoid Canadian before GRIN. They're all paranoid -- they're afraid we'll think they're Americans! -- zMan -- I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me
Not a big deal. I'm not paranoid! They are out to get us! - I'm a SuperHero with neither powers, nor motivation! Kimota! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 3:00 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me Never met a paranoid Canadian before GRIN. A conservative is a liberal who has been mugged! As for paranoia, losing a job, or two, due to outsourcing will do it. Very true! And I've almost had that here with one manager who basically thought z/OS, Windows, Linux, and AIX were basically all the same and could all be supported by MSCEs. And the Windows people here at the time (now gone) tried to reinforce that, apparently thinking that if they got control, they could force us to a 100% Windows shop when everything went into the toilet. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-691-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me
Never met a paranoid Canadian before GRIN. A conservative is a liberal who has been mugged! As for paranoia, losing a job, or two, due to outsourcing will do it. - I'm a SuperHero with neither powers, nor motivation! Kimota! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me
Two different names from same email address hmmm Hilario G. libr...@gmail.com John Smith libr...@gmail.com Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo. CATo Sent by: IBM IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Mainframe cc Discussion List ibm-m...@bama.ua Subject .edu Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me 10/04/2010 03:12 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List ibm-m...@bama.ua .edu I have not work in mainframe environment and now I have to perform the functions of System Programmer. Sent under two different names: John Smith and Hilario G. Very suspicious to me. - I'm a SuperHero with neither powers, nor motivation! Kimota! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me
Especially given that z/OS 1.7 is not a valid base level for upgrading to z/OS 1.11 . The 1.7 system likely needs a LOT of maintenance. But, if the OP want to, there is a migration manual here: http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/installation/installz111.html#pubs quote This document describes what you must do to migrate from either of the two releases that are supported for direct migration to z/OS V1R11 v z/OS V1R10 v z/OS V1R9 If you want to migrate to z/OS V1R11 from any other release, contact your IBM representative to find out what alternatives are available. /quote -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-691-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 2:24 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me Let me put it differently. I have been developing software on z/OS and its predecessors off and on since 1968. I have installed a particular form of IBM pre-packaged offering two or three times. I have owned (in both the legal and familiar sense of the word) three different very small IBM mainframes. I have taught an introduction to the IBM mainframe class. I have a copy of nearly every z/OS manual. I personally would not attempt to perform the upgrade of a production z/OS. I know for certain that there is no way I would end up with an optimally configured machine. I think the likelihood that I would end up with a brick would be just as great as my likelihood of success. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 11:46 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me You have a very, very tough job ahead of you if you have no experience with z/OS. z/OS is a complex package and not much like anything else. A lot of the documentation makes the assumption that you already know everything that came before. I doubt the likelihood of your success. Sorry. No offense to you. It is just a very complex and obscure problem you are facing. IBM has some prepackaged solutions, I believe at an additional cost. Your management might want to look into those, or into buying a few hours of someone's time to support you remotely while you attempt this. There are probably folks on this list (not me!) who might be qualified and willing to do this. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me
On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 12:44:39 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: His first thought was to post on IBM-MAIN under a pseudonym. I'll bet zMan is not a real name either. Not a big deal. Probably not. He was probably known as zBoy and maybe even zInfant. If he is even a he -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me
zPlane, zPlane ... Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Dave Kopischke Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 1:49 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 12:44:39 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: His first thought was to post on IBM-MAIN under a pseudonym. I'll bet zMan is not a real name either. Not a big deal. Probably not. He was probably known as zBoy and maybe even zInfant. If he is even a he -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me
Smiles everyone... Smiles... Mike Wilkins Accenture Best Buy Technology Group 612.291.3191 mike.wilk...@bestbuy.com ___ This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 3:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me zPlane, zPlane ... Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Dave Kopischke Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 1:49 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 12:44:39 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: His first thought was to post on IBM-MAIN under a pseudonym. I'll bet zMan is not a real name either. Not a big deal. Probably not. He was probably known as zBoy and maybe even zInfant. If he is even a he -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me
zPlane, zPlane ... As I, and other Canadians, have already pointed out, this is a US-centric joke, and only funny in the States. zedPlane is just not funny in the other English Speaking countries. - I'm a SuperHero with neither powers, nor motivation! Kimota! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me
No, I've already gotten in trouble for that one! The zed world doesn't understand. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-691-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 3:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me zPlane, zPlane ... Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Dave Kopischke Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 1:49 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me On Mon, 4 Oct 2010 12:44:39 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: His first thought was to post on IBM-MAIN under a pseudonym. I'll bet zMan is not a real name either. Not a big deal. Probably not. He was probably known as zBoy and maybe even zInfant. If he is even a he -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me
No, I've already gotten in trouble for that one! The zed world doesn't understand. I wasn't trying to get anybody in trouble. It's just that there's only one country in the zee world. All the other jurisdictions with English as their/an official language pronounce it zed. I believe the remaining jurisdictions are: Australia Canada Hong Kong The UK New Zealand I'm not sure about: Luxemburg The Hague - I'm a SuperHero with neither powers, nor motivation! Kimota! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me
My apologies to the Canadians. I stand corrected. Z'avion, z'avion ... Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 2:06 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me zPlane, zPlane ... As I, and other Canadians, have already pointed out, this is a US-centric joke, and only funny in the States. zedPlane is just not funny in the other English Speaking countries. - I'm a SuperHero with neither powers, nor motivation! Kimota! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me
Wow, that veered off the tracks in a hurry... -- zMan -- I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Someone has training manuals or notes that can help me
On 10/4/2010 5:06 PM, Ted MacNEIL wrote: zPlane, zPlane ... As I, and other Canadians, have already pointed out, this is a US-centric joke, and only funny in the States. zedPlane is just not funny in the other English Speaking countries. That argument has things backwards g Herve Villechaise's character would never have used zedPlane, because he was mispronouncing The Plane. For non-U.S. manglers of English, consider it a pun on SeaPlane, which is what normally arrived at the island. Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, VT -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
