TechTarget - Mainframe Specialty Processors (zIIP zAAP)

2008-05-21 Thread Lizette Koehler
Mainframe specialty processors: Do they really save money?

http://serverspecs.blogs.techtarget.com/2008/05/20/mainframe-specialty-processors-do-they-really-save-money/?track=NL-576ad=641476asrc=EM_NLN_3694452uid=1706837

or tinyurl
http://tinyurl.com/5epy38



was a little more interesting than the Practical Joke article.


Lizette

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Re: TechTarget - Mainframe Specialty Processors (zIIP zAAP)

2008-05-21 Thread Edward Jaffe

Lizette Koehler wrote:

Mainframe specialty processors: Do they really save money?

http://serverspecs.blogs.techtarget.com/2008/05/20/mainframe-specialty-processors-do-they-really-save-money/?track=NL-576ad=641476asrc=EM_NLN_3694452uid=1706837
  


Very strange. From where I sit, it seems like specialty engines are 
going supernova. The tenor of the article seems to suggest otherwise.


For example, Mr Fontecchio says, Selling rhe zAAP for Java and the zIIP 
for data applications hasn't been easy. In fact, IBM says specialty 
engine sales are up 85% year-over-year. I honestly don't know how easy 
the sales effort was, but that's pretty impressive growth -- no matter 
what business you're in!


A quote from Trevor Eddolls seems to suggest that there isn't much 
software exploitation. It seems to me that zAAP exploitation by Java and 
XML, and zIIP exploitation by DB2 and IPSEC, is dependent on what 
applications the customer deploys on z. I'm certainly no expert on what 
other software companies are doing. But, I *do* know what my friend Tom 
Harper has been up to at Neon Enterprise Software. Rather than just ... 
looking to offer customers the opportunity of running their software on 
zIIP ..., as indicated by the article, they are actually doing it. 
SyncSort wasn't mentioned. But, I know it has been supporting zIIP since 
January, a number of CA utilities have been supporting zIIP since 
mid-2007, and all of the internally-developed products here at Phoenix 
Software -- including (E)JES -- have been redirecting *significant* 
portions of their work to zIIP since October 2007. (We're trying to do 
our part.)


There are likely numerous other ISVs doing this [I don't mean to 
purposely leave anyone out -- please post a follow-up to list additional 
examples] and, considering the zIIP-redirect interface was only made 
available to ISVs around year-end 2006, I would call this fairly 
significant exploitation -- with much more on the way...


The article is correct in its assertion that specialty engine savings 
take time to accumulate. No question about that. You need to first buy 
the zIIP or zAAP and then incrementally save over time on software 
charges. It's kinda' like buying a new, more fuel-efficient, car to save 
money on gas. It will take you quite a while to break even.


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Re: TechTarget - Mainframe Specialty Processors (zIIP zAAP)

2008-05-21 Thread Tom Harper
Lizette,

I'll need to add support for Ed's point of view...I just completed a
webinar about zIIP processing this morning and we had four times as many
attendees as we have ever had before (well over a hundred). The interest
from customers and potential customers was intense and lots of questions
were asked. Even with our significant announcements, they wanted more
zIIP capability as soon as possible.

I can see Trever Eddolls point of view, that there isn't all that much
out there yet. My analogy is that it's something like HDTV. You see it,
you like it, you want more. But it takes time to develop, test, and
implement, as writing code in Enclave SRB mode is not easy, as I'm sure
Ed can attest to. Over the next twelve months, I think you'll see
significant vendor offerings to enable customers to offload significant
amounts of processing to zIIP processors.

I think this is very healthy for the platform. For IBM, it's almost like
printing money, because the processors, for the most part, are on the z9
and z10 chips already, unused, just waiting to be enabled. IBM has a
special program, the Specialty Engine Loaner Program (SLEP), in which
you can have one of these unused processors enabled as a zIIP or zAAP
processor for free for three months, at which time you can elect to
purchase or not purchase. zIIP processors run full-speed (never
knee-capped), and are masked off for I/O interrupts, a huge benefit on
the new z10 processors for cache reasons. Of course, the icing on the
cake is that there are no software license fees for zIIP processors.

Incidentally, to improve the cost savings model, IBM or third-party
leasing can rent the zIIP processors at a very modest fee per month so
you can benefit financially almost immediately.

Tom Harper

IMS Utilities Development Team
Neon Enterprise Software, Inc
Sugar Land, TX  

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Lizette Koehler wrote:
 Mainframe specialty processors: Do they really save money?


http://serverspecs.blogs.techtarget.com/2008/05/20/mainframe-specialty-p
rocessors-do-they-really-save-money/?track=NL-576ad=641476asrc=EM_NLN_
3694452uid=1706837
   

Very strange. From where I sit, it seems like specialty engines are 
going supernova. The tenor of the article seems to suggest otherwise.

For example, Mr Fontecchio says, Selling rhe zAAP for Java and the zIIP

for data applications hasn't been easy. In fact, IBM says specialty 
engine sales are up 85% year-over-year. I honestly don't know how easy

the sales effort was, but that's pretty impressive growth -- no matter 
what business you're in!

A quote from Trevor Eddolls seems to suggest that there isn't much 
software exploitation. It seems to me that zAAP exploitation by Java and

XML, and zIIP exploitation by DB2 and IPSEC, is dependent on what 
applications the customer deploys on z. I'm certainly no expert on what 
other software companies are doing. But, I *do* know what my friend Tom 
Harper has been up to at Neon Enterprise Software. Rather than just ...

looking to offer customers the opportunity of running their software on 
zIIP ..., as indicated by the article, they are actually doing it. 
SyncSort wasn't mentioned. But, I know it has been supporting zIIP since

January, a number of CA utilities have been supporting zIIP since 
mid-2007, and all of the internally-developed products here at Phoenix 
Software -- including (E)JES -- have been redirecting *significant* 
portions of their work to zIIP since October 2007. (We're trying to do 
our part.)

There are likely numerous other ISVs doing this [I don't mean to 
purposely leave anyone out -- please post a follow-up to list additional

examples] and, considering the zIIP-redirect interface was only made 
available to ISVs around year-end 2006, I would call this fairly 
significant exploitation -- with much more on the way...

The article is correct in its assertion that specialty engine savings 
take time to accumulate. No question about that. You need to first buy 
the zIIP or zAAP and then incrementally save over time on software 
charges. It's kinda' like buying a new, more fuel-efficient, car to save

money on gas. It will take you quite a while to break even.

-- 
Edward E Jaffe
Phoenix Software International, Inc
5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800
Los Angeles, CA 90045
310-338-0400 x318
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/

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Re: TechTarget - Mainframe Specialty Processors (zIIP zAAP)

2008-05-21 Thread Edward Jaffe

Tom Harper wrote:

I can see Trever Eddolls point of view, that there isn't all that much
out there yet. My analogy is that it's something like HDTV. You see it,
you like it, you want more. But it takes time to develop, test, and
implement, as writing code in Enclave SRB mode is not easy, as I'm sure
Ed can attest to. Over the next twelve months, I think you'll see
significant vendor offerings to enable customers to offload significant
amounts of processing to zIIP processors.
  


Good analogy, Tom. I thought I should also point out that only 
authorized/privileged code can schedule enclave SRBs. So, some software 
will never be eligible for zIIP redirect.


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