Re: The Obsolete mainframe?
In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/07/2008 at 12:10 AM, Lindy Mayfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: what is the significance of version 3.8? It was the last free release, and with the appropriate[1] free selectable units was the base for MVS/SE2 and for MVS/SP[2]. [1] I remember SU64, but there were others required as well. [2] Eventually MVS/SP became self-contained[3]; I don't recall whether that happened with MVS/XA or only with MVS/ESA. [3] Well, you needed DFP or DFSMS after Version 1. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: The Obsolete mainframe?
Wow, beings back memories, days when you had source code. That's how I learned CICS 1.4, many moons ago and VM/SP also...then went to class.. Always the way... Scott Ford Senior Systems Engineer [p] 678.266.3399 x304[m] 609-346-0399 identityforge.com This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately or let us know at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED], and then delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) Sent: Monday, October 13, 2008 7:36 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The Obsolete mainframe? In [EMAIL PROTECTED], on 10/07/2008 at 12:10 AM, Lindy Mayfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: what is the significance of version 3.8? It was the last free release, and with the appropriate[1] free selectable units was the base for MVS/SE2 and for MVS/SP[2]. [1] I remember SU64, but there were others required as well. [2] Eventually MVS/SP became self-contained[3]; I don't recall whether that happened with MVS/XA or only with MVS/ESA. [3] Well, you needed DFP or DFSMS after Version 1. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: The Obsolete mainframe?
Yeah, mainframes are about as obsolete as telephones. And by far not as obsolete as buzzword journalism. -- Peter Hunkeler Credit Suisse -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: The Obsolete mainframe?
Amen Peter Scott Ford Senior Systems Engineer [p] 678.266.3399 x304[m] 609-346-0399 identityforge.com This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately or let us know at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED], and then delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Hunkeler Peter (KIUK 3) Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2008 9:44 AM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The Obsolete mainframe? Yeah, mainframes are about as obsolete as telephones. And by far not as obsolete as buzzword journalism. -- Peter Hunkeler Credit Suisse -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: The Obsolete mainframe or Newspapers
Most of the Major Newspapers are experiencing declining readership. Their revenues are down. Belo spun off The Dallas Morning News as it continues to lose money. Perhaps the paper may be obsolete first. ( that is if the government doesn't come in and prop them up) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Alcock Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 3:33 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: The Obsolete mainframe? Today's Dallas Morning News has an editorial written by their staff with the words could become as obsolete as computer mainframes. http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/editorials/storie s/DN-top10_06edi.State.Edition1.43fe5ef.html I plan to send them a friendly email to tell them that the mainframe is alive and well. ;-) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: The Obsolete mainframe?
On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 21:45:45 -0400, Scott Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If they are dead, I must be working on ghost machines..lol PSI? Of Edward Jaffe From what I know, just the opposite is true. Mainframe revenues at large ISVs subsidize their entire business -- including massive expenditures developing products for non-mainframe platforms. True. Regards, Mike Baldwin Cartagena Software Ltd. www.cartagena.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
The Obsolete mainframe?
Today's Dallas Morning News has an editorial written by their staff with the words could become as obsolete as computer mainframes. http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/editorials/stories/DN-top10_06edi.State.Edition1.43fe5ef.html I plan to send them a friendly email to tell them that the mainframe is alive and well. ;-) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: The Obsolete mainframe?
Make sure you refer them to the devil's dictionary: http://www.isham-research.co.uk/dd.html#mainframe David Alcock [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/6/2008 4:32 PM Today's Dallas Morning News has an editorial written by their staff with the words could become as obsolete as computer mainframes. http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/editorials/stories/DN-top10_06edi.State.Edition1.43fe5ef.html I plan to send them a friendly email to tell them that the mainframe is alive and well. ;-) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html Note that my email domain has changed from jo-annstores.com to joann.com. Please update your address book and other records to reflect this change. CONFIDENTIALITY/EMAIL NOTICE: The material in this transmission contains confidential and privileged information intended only for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this material in error and that any forwarding, copying, printing, distribution, use or disclosure of the material is strictly prohibited. If you have received this material in error, please (i) do not read it, (ii) reply to the sender that you received the message in error, and (iii) erase or destroy the material. Emails are not secure and can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by email. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: The Obsolete mainframe?
what is the significance of version 3.8? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Rowe Sent: 7. lokakuuta 2008 0:50 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The Obsolete mainframe? Make sure you refer them to the devil's dictionary: http://www.isham-research.co.uk/dd.html#mainframe David Alcock [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/6/2008 4:32 PM Today's Dallas Morning News has an editorial written by their staff with the words could become as obsolete as computer mainframes. http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/editorials/storie s/DN-top10_06edi.State.Edition1.43fe5ef.html I plan to send them a friendly email to tell them that the mainframe is alive and well. ;-) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: The Obsolete mainframe?
It was the last release of MVS that was entirely free of charge. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lindy Mayfield Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 6:10 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The Obsolete mainframe? what is the significance of version 3.8? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Rowe Sent: 7. lokakuuta 2008 0:50 To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The Obsolete mainframe? Make sure you refer them to the devil's dictionary: http://www.isham-research.co.uk/dd.html#mainframe David Alcock [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/6/2008 4:32 PM Today's Dallas Morning News has an editorial written by their staff with the words could become as obsolete as computer mainframes. http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/editorials/storie s/DN-top10_06edi.State.Edition1.43fe5ef.html I plan to send them a friendly email to tell them that the mainframe is alive and well. ;-) This message and any attachments are intended only for the use of the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If the reader of the message is not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail and delete the message and any attachments from your system. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: The Obsolete mainframe?
In a message dated 10/6/2008 4:50:00 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: David Alcock [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/6/2008 4:32 PM Today's Dallas Morning News has an editorial written by their staff with the words could become as obsolete as computer mainframes. http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/opinion/editorials/stories/DN-t op10_06edi.State.Edition1.43fe5ef.html I plan to send them a friendly email to tell them that the mainframe is alive and well. ;-) Send them a friendly email stating what the Gartner Group's estimated total earnings from all mainframe hardware and software vendors were last year. Add suggest politely that mainframes are much less obsolete than is honest journalism. Bill Fairchild Rocket Software **New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew0001) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: The Obsolete mainframe?
In a message dated 10/6/2008 4:50:10 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: friendly email to tell them that the mainframe is alive and well. ;-) I thought was Phil's job or did he find gainful employment? **New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News more. Try it out! (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew0001) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: The Obsolete mainframe?
Scott Rowe wrote: Make sure you refer them to the devil's dictionary: http://www.isham-research.co.uk/dd.html#mainframe Enjoyable, but raised a question. Does the tally for rerun the job include occurrences of resubmit? Gerhard Postpischil Bradford, VT -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: The Obsolete mainframe?
On Mon, 6 Oct 2008 18:48:01 EDT, IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote: Send them a friendly email stating what the Gartner Group's estimated total earnings from all mainframe hardware and software vendors were last year. Add suggest politely that mainframes are much less obsolete than is honest journalism. Which itself is biasing the number, since some major mainframe hardware and software vendors nowadays derive a preponderance of their total earnings from non-mainframe hardware and software lines of business. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: The Obsolete mainframe?
Paul Gilmartin wrote: Which itself is biasing the number, since some major mainframe hardware and software vendors nowadays derive a preponderance of their total earnings from non-mainframe hardware and software lines of business. From what I know, just the opposite is true. Mainframe revenues at large ISVs subsidize their entire business -- including massive expenditures developing products for non-mainframe platforms. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: The Obsolete mainframe?
Sure keep me in clothes, shoes and feed for about 20+ years plus of course my family. If they are dead, I must be working on ghost machines..lol Scott Ford Senior Systems Engineer [m] 678.266.3399 x304[p] 609-346-0399[f] 678.266.3399 [EMAIL PROTECTED] This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged, proprietary, or otherwise private information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately or let us know at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED], and then delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Edward Jaffe Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 8:01 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The Obsolete mainframe? Paul Gilmartin wrote: Which itself is biasing the number, since some major mainframe hardware and software vendors nowadays derive a preponderance of their total earnings from non-mainframe hardware and software lines of business. From what I know, just the opposite is true. Mainframe revenues at large ISVs subsidize their entire business -- including massive expenditures developing products for non-mainframe platforms. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: The Obsolete mainframe?
Here I must agree 100% with Ed. Since the major changes at CA's upper management; there has been a LOT more emphasis on the bean-counting. This is partially bad (hate to fill in weekly time-sheets; managers have to spend a large part of their time showing how each person is spending their time) but is also very good. Together with the better tracking of sales it allows senior management to see exactly what is bringing in how much money at what cost in RD. Trust me, it has given CA a MUCH better appreciation of the old obsolete mainframers. While the amount of money brought in might be 50/50 (it isn't, but I don't remember the specific figures) the amount spent on RD was not even close to 50/50. Suddenly, it became very apparent where the profit is. Russell Witt -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Edward Jaffe Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 7:01 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The Obsolete mainframe? Paul Gilmartin wrote: Which itself is biasing the number, since some major mainframe hardware and software vendors nowadays derive a preponderance of their total earnings from non-mainframe hardware and software lines of business. From what I know, just the opposite is true. Mainframe revenues at large ISVs subsidize their entire business -- including massive expenditures developing products for non-mainframe platforms. -- Edward E Jaffe Phoenix Software International, Inc 5200 W Century Blvd, Suite 800 Los Angeles, CA 90045 310-338-0400 x318 [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: The Obsolete mainframe?
Also, at 10:00pm (Dallas time) there were 4 replies posted to the article. Of those 4, 3 were regarding the obsolete as computer mainframes statement. Only 1 dealt with the real article itself. Russell -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Edward Jaffe Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 7:01 PM To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Subject: Re: The Obsolete mainframe? Paul Gilmartin wrote: Which itself is biasing the number, since some major mainframe hardware and software vendors nowadays derive a preponderance of their total earnings from non-mainframe hardware and software lines of business. From what I know, just the opposite is true. Mainframe revenues at large ISVs subsidize their entire business -- including massive expenditures developing products for non-mainframe platforms. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
