Re: Use of TinyURLs (Was: 2007 Year in Review on Mainframes)

2007-12-26 Thread daver++ 
> From: "Arthur T." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>   As suggested, a tinyurl *plus* the URL of the actual 
> site is best.  Among other things, it gives the recipient 
> an idea of where this link is going to go to, before 
> clicking on it.

I agree with this statement, but just as an FYI you can preview where a
tinyurl goes by prepending "preview." to the link.

Example: http://preview.tinyurl.com/5d4

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Re: Use of TinyURLs (Was: 2007 Year in Review on Mainframes)

2007-12-20 Thread Walt Farrell 
On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 21:06:41 +, Ted MacNEIL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>>One such is http://tinyurl.com .  The problem here, though, is that you
can't know where you're going until you get there.  This hampers the
anti-phishing advice to type in a URL sent in e-mail.
>
>There is 'make a shorter link' -- I don't remember its exact name, but it
tells you where you are going and gives you some time before it transfers.
>
>I have used it in the past, but I am too lazy (in general), and so far I
have passed tiny's out, expecting people to trust me.

"Make a shorter link" shut down awhile ago, as I recall.

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Re: Use of TinyURLs (Was: 2007 Year in Review on Mainframes)

2007-12-20 Thread Ted MacNEIL 
>One such is http://tinyurl.com .  The problem here, though, is that you can't 
>know where you're going until you get there.  This hampers the anti-phishing 
>advice to type in a URL sent in e-mail.

There is 'make a shorter link' -- I don't remember its exact name, but it tells 
you where you are going and gives you some time before it transfers.

I have used it in the past, but I am too lazy (in general), and so far I have 
passed tiny's out, expecting people to trust me.

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Re: Use of TinyURLs (Was: 2007 Year in Review on Mainframes)

2007-12-20 Thread Arthur T. 
On 20 Dec 2007 12:13:51 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Edward Jaffe) wrote:



J R wrote:
I've used it extensively and never had anything bad 
happen, either tiny urls expiring or 
surreptitious.  Although, I guess that's the nature of 
things surreptitious.  ;-)




I believe the only "problem" occurs when the TinyURL site 
is down. In that case, having the original URL would have 
been advantageous assuming that site is up.




How about including *both* the original long url *and* 
the tiny url?
Then the individual can decide between quick, potentially 
risky, access and the joy of unwrapping a long one.




Easy enough to do.


 Here's what I wrote to RISKS digest in 2005 
:


We all know the Risks of long URLs.  They include line-wrap 
problems and

trying to find an "@" about 100 characters in.

To combat the line-wrap problem, some sites are providing 
short URLs for any
arbitrary page.  One such is http://tinyurl.com .  The 
problem here, though,
is that you can't know where you're going until you get 
there.  This hampers
the anti-phishing advice to type in a URL sent in 
e-mail.  It could be used

for a range of nefarious or hoax uses.

I looked at the tinuyrl site and didn't find any way to 
expand a compressed
URL.  Since they specifically suggest using their service 
to hide affiliate

URLs, this is probably on purpose.

 Some time since then, tinyurl has given people a 
chance to see the actual URL before visiting it.


 A tinyurl link from a trusted person is not likely to 
be a problem, so the use on IBM-Main is likely 
fine.  However, DO be careful out in the wilds of the rest 
of the Internet.


 As suggested, a tinyurl *plus* the URL of the actual 
site is best.  Among other things, it gives the recipient 
an idea of where this link is going to go to, before 
clicking on it.


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Fw: Use of TinyURLs (Was: 2007 Year in Review on Mainframes)

2007-12-20 Thread Ed Philbrook 
WebSense prevents my using tinyurl or numeric urls. I need the long 
version.

EdP



> 
> How about including *both* the original long url *and* the tiny url? 
> Then the individual can decide between quick, potentially risky, 
> access and the joy of unwrapping a long one.
> 


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Use of TinyURLs (Was: 2007 Year in Review on Mainframes)

2007-12-20 Thread Edward Jaffe 

J R wrote:
I've used it extensively and never had anything bad happen, 
either tiny urls expiring or surreptitious.  Although, I guess 
that's the nature of things surreptitious.  ;-)
  


I believe the only "problem" occurs when the TinyURL site is down. In 
that case, having the original URL would have been advantageous assuming 
that site is up.


 
How about including *both* the original long url *and* the tiny url?  
Then the individual can decide between quick, potentially risky, 
access and the joy of unwrapping a long one.
  


Easy enough to do.

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