Re: What is Toronto
In f5ff22ced304764eaac97a43706235b7174cb62...@corpexmbx.bekco.com, on 02/22/2011 at 04:40 PM, Greg Shirey wgshi...@benekeith.com said: Right...how many city airports are actually in that city? Is LAX in LA? I thought it was? is Flushing (JFK) in NYC? (It is in a borough) Do you mean NYC or Manhattan? I thought that NYC was made up of the boroughs. National (Reagan) is only technically in DC (if memory serves, it's officially in DC even though geographically it's not, since it's across the river). Are Alaska and Hawaii in the USA? They're not contiguous. Geographically, all locations that are technically part of DC are part of DC. Note: Arlington used to be part of DC, and it wasn't contiguous either. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT ISO position; see http://patriot.net/~shmuel/resume/brief.html We don't care. We don't have to care, we're Congress. (S877: The Shut up and Eat Your spam act of 2003) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What is Toronto
On 22 February 2011 20:30, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca wrote: Downsview and Buttonville are all in the GTA Downsview hasn't existed for years. Strange - it was there on Monday evening when I last visited. It was dark, and the red obstruction lights stood out quite clearly. Google Maps also thinks it's there, and in my experience it's not unusual to fly over it on a westbound approach into Pearson. Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What is Toronto
Downsview hasn't existed for years. Strange - it was there on Monday evening when I last visited. It was dark, and the red obstruction lights stood out quite clearly. The airport was shut down before the turn of the millenium. The base is mothballed. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What is Toronto
As I head to the bomb shelter in preparation of the replies. Downsview is actually still open, sort of. It is being used by Canadair for final assembly of the Q-400 DASH. So while the 'base' is not open (well there are still military presence there) a runway still exists, and planes fly in and out regularly ENOUGH And the only reason I con't this is for accuracy sake Robert Galambos CIPP/C CIPP/IT Compuware Senior Technical Specialist IBM Certified Solutions Expert - DB2 UDB for OS/390 Database Administration Certified Information Privacy Professional/Canada Certified Information Privacy Professional/Information Technology robert.galam...@compuware.com Tel: +1 905 886 7000 Toll Free: +1 800 263 7189 Fax: +1 905 886 7023 Quebec: +1 877-281-1888 Compuware Canada Service is our best product The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 12:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: What is Toronto Downsview hasn't existed for years. Strange - it was there on Monday evening when I last visited. It was dark, and the red obstruction lights stood out quite clearly. The airport was shut down before the turn of the millenium. The base is mothballed. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What is Toronto
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto/Downsview_Airport Current is a private airport for Bombadier manufacturing and testing. On Wed, Feb 23, 2011 at 10:35 AM, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net wrote: On 22 February 2011 20:30, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca wrote: Downsview and Buttonville are all in the GTA Downsview hasn't existed for years. Strange - it was there on Monday evening when I last visited. It was dark, and the red obstruction lights stood out quite clearly. Google Maps also thinks it's there, and in my experience it's not unusual to fly over it on a westbound approach into Pearson. Tony H. -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What is Toronto
Geez...we flew our covered wagon into Malton way back when... John Donnelly National Semiconductor Corporation 2900 Semiconductor Drive Santa Clara, CA 95051 408-721-5640 408-470-8364 Cell cjp...@nsc.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 6:24 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: What is Toronto Sigh! Pearson is in Mississauga, which is in Peel Region, which is part of the GTA. Not according to the maps I use. Yes! It's in Peel, but it's near Torbram road, which is the boundary between Brampton an Toronto. It's actually in Malton. By the time you get to Airport Road, you've left Mississauga. Used to work just off Indian Line. But, this is getting way off topic. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What is Toronto
Downsview is actually still open, sort of. It is being used by Canadair for final assembly of the Q-400 DASH. So while the 'base' is not open (well there are still military presence there) a runway still exists, and planes fly in and out regularly My original post, as a response, listed the commercial airports in the GTA.. Downsview is NOT commercial. And, it never was. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What is Toronto
Hi, OK, *trying* to get this back on topic, which of the airports mentioned - if any - run IBM Mainfames? :-) BobL Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 4:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: What is Toronto Downsview is actually still open, sort of. It is being used by Canadair for final assembly of the Q-400 DASH. So while the 'base' is not open (well there are still military presence there) a runway still exists, and planes fly in and out regularly My original post, as a response, listed the commercial airports in the GTA.. Downsview is NOT commercial. And, it never was. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca -- This e-mail transmission may contain information that is proprietary, privileged and/or confidential and is intended exclusively for the person(s) to whom it is addressed. Any use, copying, retention or disclosure by any person other than the intended recipient or the intended recipient's designees is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient or their designee, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail and delete all copies. OppenheimerFunds may, at its sole discretion, monitor, review, retain and/or disclose the content of all email communications. == -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: Kill Thread!!! What is Toronto
Ok, it has been suggested a couple times to kill this thread and no one listened. So, I'm now going to say it, please kill this thread immediately or I'm going to start setting people to NOPOST status. Thank you. Darren -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What is Toronto
Don't anthropomorphise computers: They don't like it. :-) Martin Packer, Mainframe Performance Consultant, zChampion Worldwide Banking Center of Excellence, IBM +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Unless stated otherwise above: IBM United Kingdom Limited - Registered in England and Wales with number 741598. Registered office: PO Box 41, North Harbour, Portsmouth, Hampshire PO6 3AU -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What is Toronto - IBM's response
All, Like Walt, I'm so spokesperson for Watson, but I have seen a video on YouTube that helped explain the final Jeopardy! response of Toronto. Go here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lI-M7O_bRNg 3 minutes into the 10 minute video is where it starts. Around 4 minutes, although we never saw it on TV, you can see what the other responses (and percentages) Watson had for the final answer. For those that don't want to watch a 10 minute video, here's the executive summary: 1) There are many Torontos in the US 2) Toronto, Canada has a baseball team in an American baseball league. 3) The three final answers - all which were not a high confidence level and were well below the buzz level were: a) Toronto: 14 b) Chicago: 11 c) Omaha: 10 -Marna WALLE IBM Poughkeepsie -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What is Toronto
Just a note buttonville is still open. Robert Galambos CIPP/C CIPP/IT Compuware Senior Technical Specialist IBM Certified Solutions Expert - DB2 UDB for OS/390 Database Administration Certified Information Privacy Professional/Canada Certified Information Privacy Professional/Information Technology robert.galam...@compuware.com Tel: +1 905 886 7000 Toll Free: +1 800 263 7189 Fax: +1 905 886 7023 Quebec: +1 877-281-1888 Compuware Canada Service is our best product The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 1:37 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: What is Toronto does Toronto meet any of the other criteria - at least two airports, the largest named after a WWII hero and the second largest named after a WWII battle? No. There are four commercial airports in the Greater Toronto Area (GTA). Pearson International Airport -- named after our first Prime Minister to receive a Nobel Peace Prize. Buttonville -- which is now closed, I believe. Toronto Island Airport and John C. Munro Airport in Hamilton -- named after a deceased Federal Health Minister who also represented one of the Hamilton ridings. The problem with all the hype, is what I told my family friends: a computer is only as good as its programming and data. Obviously, somebody loaded ther wrong information. Now, a lot think that Watson is/was a bit of a joke, regardless of its overall success. Here's a bit of trivia: Please phrase your response in the form of a question: 70. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What is Toronto
as a side note. Person airport is not actually in Toronto but another city called Mississauga which is a city onto itself, has the longest elected mayor I believe anywhere, at least in north America Robert Galambos CIPP/C CIPP/IT Compuware Senior Technical Specialist IBM Certified Solutions Expert - DB2 UDB for OS/390 Database Administration Certified Information Privacy Professional/Canada Certified Information Privacy Professional/Information Technology robert.galam...@compuware.com Tel: +1 905 886 7000 Toll Free: +1 800 263 7189 Fax: +1 905 886 7023 Quebec: +1 877-281-1888 Compuware Canada Service is our best product The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of J R Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 1:40 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: What is Toronto Buttonville -- which is now closed, I believe. Not yet ... but it will be in a year or so. Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 18:37:03 + From: eamacn...@yahoo.ca Subject: Re: What is Toronto To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu does Toronto meet any of the other criteria - at least two airports, the largest named after a WWII hero and the second largest named after a WWII battle? No. There are four commercial airports in the Greater Toronto Area (GTA). Pearson International Airport -- named after our first Prime Minister to receive a Nobel Peace Prize. Buttonville -- which is now closed, I believe. Toronto Island Airport and John C. Munro Airport in Hamilton -- named after a deceased Federal Health Minister who also represented one of the Hamilton ridings. The problem with all the hype, is what I told my family friends: a computer is only as good as its programming and data. Obviously, somebody loaded ther wrong information. Now, a lot think that Watson is/was a bit of a joke, regardless of its overall success. Here's a bit of trivia: Please phrase your response in the form of a question: 70. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What is Toronto
No sched commercial flights from buttonville Robert Galambos CIPP/C CIPP/IT Compuware Senior Technical Specialist IBM Certified Solutions Expert - DB2 UDB for OS/390 Database Administration Certified Information Privacy Professional/Canada Certified Information Privacy Professional/Information Technology robert.galam...@compuware.com Tel: +1 905 886 7000 Toll Free: +1 800 263 7189 Fax: +1 905 886 7023 Quebec: +1 877-281-1888 Compuware Canada Service is our best product The contents of this e-mail are intended for the named addressee only. It contains information that may be confidential. Unless you are the named addressee or an authorized designee, you may not copy or use it, or disclose it to anyone else. If you received it in error please notify us immediately and then destroy it. From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Ted MacNEIL Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 3:37 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: What is Toronto So Toronto Airport (YTZ) is the smallest of the 3 Toronto Airports? I think Buttonville is smaller than Toronto Island. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What is Toronto
At 16:20 -0600 on 02/21/2011, Scott Fagen wrote about Re: What is Toronto: You can't use a question that Watson missed (like the Toronto one) Chicago was #2 on Watson's list (at 11%) and was just slightly lower ranked than Toronto (at 14%) so it ALMOST got it right (ie: One less factor for Toronto or one more for Chicago might have flipped the order and won instead of lost the $947 bet). The fact is that the correct answer WAS in the top 3 unlike other misses where NONE of the top 3 were correct or were even on track is the important point. It had the right answer but due to the ranking did not select it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What is Toronto
At 15:28 -0500 on 02/22/2011, Galambos, Robert wrote about Re: What is Toronto: as a side note. Person airport is not actually in Toronto but another city called Mississauga IOW: It is an Toronto area airport like Newark/Liberty (which is in Newark NJ) is an NYC area airport (which is supplied along with JFK and La Guardia) when you ask for NYC as opposed to JFK/LGA/EWR when searching online for flights. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What is Toronto
Toronto City Centre (Billy Bishop) Airport is in downtown Toronto. (Kind of.) Pearson, Downsview and Buttonville are all in the GTA. Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 16:37:27 -0500 From: hal9...@panix.com Subject: Re: What is Toronto To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu At 15:28 -0500 on 02/22/2011, Galambos, Robert wrote about Re: What is Toronto: as a side note. Person airport is not actually in Toronto but another city called Mississauga IOW: It is an Toronto area airport like Newark/Liberty (which is in Newark NJ) is an NYC area airport (which is supplied along with JFK and La Guardia) when you ask for NYC as opposed to JFK/LGA/EWR when searching online for flights. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What is Toronto
One less factor for Toronto or one more for Chicago might have flipped the order and won instead of lost the $947 bet I guess being a U.S. City would have made the difference. That factor was overlooked. Cliff McNeill -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What is Toronto
On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Robert A. Rosenberg hal9...@panix.com wrote: At 15:28 -0500 on 02/22/2011, Galambos, Robert wrote about Re: What is Toronto: as a side note. Person airport is not actually in Toronto but another city called Mississauga IOW: It is an Toronto area airport like Newark/Liberty (which is in Newark NJ) is an NYC area airport (which is supplied along with JFK and La Guardia) when you ask for NYC as opposed to JFK/LGA/EWR when searching online for flights. Right...how many city airports are actually in that city? Is LAX in LA? is Flushing (JFK) in NYC? (It is in a borough) Is Dulles in DC? Heck, National (Reagan) is only technically in DC (if memory serves, it's officially in DC even though geographically it's not, since it's across the river). SFO isn't. Midway is, but ORD really isn't. And so forth... -- zMan -- I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What is Toronto
Right - D/FW Airport is neither in Dallas nor Fort Worth. Greg -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of zMan Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2011 4:29 PM Right...how many city airports are actually in that city? Is LAX in LA? is Flushing (JFK) in NYC? (It is in a borough) Is Dulles in DC? Heck, National (Reagan) is only technically in DC (if memory serves, it's officially in DC even though geographically it's not, since it's across the river). SFO isn't. Midway is, but ORD really isn't. And so forth... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What is Toronto
zMan wrote: On Tue, Feb 22, 2011 at 4:37 PM, Robert A. Rosenberg hal9...@panix.com wrote: At 15:28 -0500 on 02/22/2011, Galambos, Robert wrote about Re: What is Toronto: as a side note. Person airport is not actually in Toronto but another city called Mississauga IOW: It is an Toronto area airport like Newark/Liberty (which is in Newark NJ) is an NYC area airport (which is supplied along with JFK and La Guardia) when you ask for NYC as opposed to JFK/LGA/EWR when searching online for flights. Right...how many city airports are actually in that city? Is LAX in LA? is Flushing (JFK) in NYC? (It is in a borough) Is Dulles in DC? Heck, National (Reagan) is only technically in DC (if memory serves, it's officially in DC even though geographically it's not, since it's across the river). SFO isn't. Midway is, but ORD really isn't. And so forth... Actually Reagan is in DC, just in the wrong century. I believe it was slightly before the Civil War that DC gave Arlington back to Virginia. And, unless things have changed since I worked at T7, Reagan is in Arlington. :) (Lots has changed there. The rental car places are now where T7 used to be.) Lloyd -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What is Toronto
On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:28:44 -0500, zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com wrote: Right...how many city airports are actually in that city? Is LAX in LA? is Flushing (JFK) in NYC? (It is in a borough) These kinds of distinctions even trip up people. First of all, New York City is comprised of the Five Boroughs, so, yes JFK is in New York City. Second, JFK is in Jamaica (Queens), not Flushing. LGA is in Flushing (also in New York City). Manhattan is merely one of the boroughs, along with Brooklyn, Queens, The Bronx, and Staten Island. Each of the boroughs also maps to a county, named respectively, Manhattan, Kings, Queens, Bronx, and Richmond. None of this really matters to IBM-MAIN, I point it out to show how standard taxonomies can fail (state county city) and would have to be accounted for by exceptions within an algorithm. Scott Fagen Chief Architect CA Mainframe -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What is Toronto
a side note. Person airport is not actually in Toronto but another city called Mississauga It's Pearson. And, it's actually not in Mississauga, but in Peel Region, east of Mississauga. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What is Toronto
Downsview and Buttonville are all in the GTA Downsview hasn't existed for years. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What is Toronto
The Borough of Manhattan maps to New York County. Date: Tue, 22 Feb 2011 19:15:35 -0600 From: scottfagen...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: What is Toronto To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 17:28:44 -0500, zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com wrote: [clip] Manhattan is merely one of the boroughs, along with Brooklyn, Queens, The Bronx, and Staten Island. Each of the boroughs also maps to a county, named respectively, Manhattan, Kings, Queens, Bronx, and Richmond. None of this really matters to IBM-MAIN, I point it out to show how standard taxonomies can fail (state county city) and would have to be accounted for by exceptions within an algorithm. Scott Fagen Chief Architect CA Mainframe -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What is Toronto
Sigh! Pearson is in Mississauga, which is in Peel Region, which is part of the GTA. Date: Wed, 23 Feb 2011 01:26:59 + From: eamacn...@yahoo.ca Subject: Re: What is Toronto To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu a side note. Person airport is not actually in Toronto but another city called Mississauga It's Pearson. And, it's actually not in Mississauga, but in Peel Region, east of Mississauga. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What is Toronto
Sigh! Pearson is in Mississauga, which is in Peel Region, which is part of the GTA. Not according to the maps I use. Yes! It's in Peel, but it's near Torbram road, which is the boundary between Brampton an Toronto. It's actually in Malton. By the time you get to Airport Road, you've left Mississauga. Used to work just off Indian Line. But, this is getting way off topic. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What is Toronto
At 17:28 -0500 on 02/22/2011, zMan wrote about Re: What is Toronto: Right...how many city airports are actually in that city? Is LAX in LA? is Flushing (JFK) in NYC? (It is in a borough) NYC is all 5 Boroughs (it is not only Manhattan). Both LGA and JFK are on Long Island (one in Queens and one in Brooklyn). NY is the USPS designation for Manhattan [Island/County] while NYC covers the full 5 Borough area. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What is Toronto
On Tue, 22 Feb 2011 20:27:54 -0500, Joe Testa test...@live.com wrote: The Borough of Manhattan maps to New York County. I stand corrected. I was in a hurry to leave New York (State) to head to Massachusetts (not Mississauga). Borough of Manhattan = New York County. Scott Fagen Chief Architect CA Mainframe -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What is Toronto
I think we ought to kill this thread. Besides we all know he was the Lone Ranger’s best friend. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
What is Toronto?
Has IBM explained the logic for this response? -- Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, especially those from irresponsible companies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What is Toronto
To my knowledge IBM has not explained how Watson came to move Toronto south into the United States. We can of course guess. It seems likely that Toronto figures as an important destination|origin of traffic of some kind among North American nodes many of which are United Statesian cities, and that Watson inferred incorrectly, say, that since Chicago, Detroit, and St. Louis were in trhe U.S. Toronto must be in the U.S. too. The mistake had a curious resonance for me. When my son Geoffrey was very young he knew much more about the names of Italian cities than he did about those of North American cities; and he once concluded, by phonetic analogy with 'Taranto', that Toronto must be in Italy too. My response was that, while his inference had been an intelligent one in the absence of other information, he should know where Toronto was. Like its human opponents, Watson makes plausible inferences that sometimes lead it astray. William James said something like: If a frog jumps at a hook baited with piece of red flannel, too bad for that particular frog; but redness does often signal the presence of edibles, and for the race of frogs . . . John Gilmore Ashland, MA 01721-1817 USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 16:09:26 +0200, Binyamin Dissen wrote: Has IBM explained the logic for this response? In the IBM-sponsored A Smarter Planet blog at http://asmarterplanet.com/blog/2011/02 Watson's response is discussed in the February 15 article titled Watson on Jeopardy! Day Two: The Confusion over an Airport Clue. The article includes comments made by David Ferrucci, the manager of the Watson Project at IBM Research, although they are not presented as direct quotes. Bill -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 14:56:10 +, john gilmore john_w_gilm...@msn.com wrote: To my knowledge IBM has not explained how Watson came to move Toronto south into the United States. We can of course guess. It seems likely that Toronto figures as an important destination|origin of traffic of some kind among North American nodes many of which are United Statesian cities, and that Watson inferred incorrectly, say, that since Chicago, Detroit, and St. Louis were in trhe U.S. Toronto must be in the U.S. too. Given that - does Toronto meet any of the other criteria - at least two airports, the largest named after a WWII hero and the second largest named after a WWII battle? P -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 16:09:26 +0200, Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com wrote: Has IBM explained the logic for this response? Please note that I am not an official IBM spokesperson for anything related to Watson, and I really have no more or less knowledge of Watson than anyone else outside of the Watson team. My guess: If you watched the PBS Nova episode about the creation of Watson ( http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/tech/smartest-machine-on-earth.html ), and the evolution of the software techniques it uses, you'll have noticed that one problem was in programming a way to figure out what the category names mean and how they influence the answers. Watson was doing OK, but not playing at champion level, until they started providing feedback by telling Watson what the correct answer was after another contestant provided it. Then they showed an example where this feedback enabled Watson's machine learning algorithms to learn from those answers. In that example, the category name was something about months and the answers gave pairs of holidays that occurred in a particular month. The questions needed to be of the form what is February and Watson did not understand that until the other players had correctly answered several (4?) questions. Watson was then able to corretly answer subsequent questions in that category. Final Jeopardy does not provide the opportunity for Watson to get that kind of feedback, as there is only one answer/question. So I suspect (but again I do not know for sure) that What is Toronto just shows that they still didn't exactly know how to interpret category names and factor them into the voting algorithms that allow Watson to determine the best answer. Remember that Watson generates many possible responses from the clues in the answer and the category name, and then must in some way weigh the importance of each clue in determining which answer(s) are more likely. Again, this is not an official IBM response, merely my guess. -- Walt -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What is Toronto?
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Walt Farrell On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 16:09:26 +0200, Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com wrote: Has IBM explained the logic for this response? Please note that I am not an official IBM spokesperson for anything related to Watson, and I really have no more or less knowledge of Watson than anyone else outside of the Watson team. My guess: If you watched the PBS Nova episode about the creation of Watson ( http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/tech/smartest-machine-on-earth.html ), and the evolution of the software techniques it uses, you'll have noticed that one problem was in programming a way to figure out what the category names mean and how they influence the answers. Watson was doing OK, but not playing at champion level, until they started providing feedback by telling Watson what the correct answer was after another contestant provided it. Then they showed an example where this feedback enabled Watson's machine learning algorithms to learn from those answers. In that example, the category name was something about months and the answers gave pairs of holidays that occurred in a particular month. The questions needed to be of the form what is February and Watson did not understand that until the other players had correctly answered several (4?) questions. Watson was then able to corretly answer subsequent questions in that category. Final Jeopardy does not provide the opportunity for Watson to get that kind of feedback, as there is only one answer/question. So I suspect (but again I do not know for sure) that What is Toronto just shows that they still didn't exactly know how to interpret category names and factor them into the voting algorithms that allow Watson to determine the best answer. Remember that Watson generates many possible responses from the clues in the answer and the category name, and then must in some way weigh the importance of each clue in determining which answer(s) are more likely. Again, this is not an official IBM response, merely my guess. Seems as good a guess as any. I wonder if the Watson team will open an APAR for this? :-) -jc- -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What is Toronto
On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Paul Peplinski paul.peplin...@wpsic.com wrote: Given that - does Toronto meet any of the other criteria - at least two airports, the largest named after a WWII hero and the second largest named after a WWII battle? Not so much. Pearson was a WWI veteran and prime minister; the next largest Toronto airport is Toronto Islands, I believe, which is named after, well, the island. BUT given that: - WWI is almost WWII - many WWII battles had islands in the name I could see getting there with big question marks. Aside, of course, from the Canada != US issue :-( -- zMan -- I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What is Toronto?
On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 09:30:10 -0600 Walt Farrell wfarr...@us.ibm.com wrote: :Then they showed an example where this feedback enabled Watson's machine :learning algorithms to learn from those answers. In that example, the :category name was something about months and the answers gave pairs of :holidays that occurred in a particular month. The questions needed to be of :the form what is February and Watson did not understand that until the :other players had correctly answered several (4?) questions. Watson was then :able to corretly answer subsequent questions in that category. IIRC, after one contestant gave a wrong answer Watson buzzed in with the same wrong answer. Was it being fed the answers? -- Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com http://www.dissensoftware.com Director, Dissen Software, Bar Grill - Israel Should you use the mailblocks package and expect a response from me, you should preauthorize the dissensoftware.com domain. I very rarely bother responding to challenge/response systems, especially those from irresponsible companies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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At 9:30 AM -0600 on 2/21/11, Walt Farrell wrote about Re: What is Toronto?: Final Jeopardy does not provide the opportunity for Watson to get that kind of feedback, as there is only one answer/question. So I suspect (but again I do not know for sure) that What is Toronto just shows that they still didn't exactly know how to interpret category names and factor them into the voting algorithms that allow Watson to determine the best answer. Remember that Watson generates many possible responses from the clues in the answer and the category name, and then must in some way weigh the importance of each clue in determining which answer(s) are more likely. There is also the need to supply SOME answer to the question. Note that the answer was followed by a number of ?s. Also that the amount bet was in the $900s. Since the 3 best answers were not displayed, I think the real reason was that Watson KNEW the answer was wrong but was forced to supply the best one in its list. IOW: This was an answer that fell below the 90% threshold to buzz and would have been one where it allowed the others to answer if it was a normal question. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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At 9:22 AM -0600 on 2/21/11, Paul Peplinski wrote about Re: What is Toronto: Given that - does Toronto meet any of the other criteria - at least two airports, the largest named after a WWII hero and the second largest named after a WWII battle? It meets the 2 airport, one named after a person (Pearson), and one named after a location (Toronto) criteria. The WWII restriction was not meet (for Toronto) - I do not know who Pearson was so that may or may not have been met. Note that Watson signaled its dissatisfaction with its response by suffixing its answer with a string of ?s and betting under $1000. I do not think its top 3 choices was displayed and if this was a regular round question, I think it would have passed on attempting to answer. IOW; Due to being Final Jeopardy it was forced to supply an answer (the highest on its ranking list). A human would have responded I Don't Know and bet something like $25 but Watson's programing only allowed it to signal its lack of confidence via the ? and the low bet. It seems to select its bet based on its confidence in the correctness of its answer. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What is Toronto
More confusion ... The Toronto Island Airport has undergone a few name changes over the years. Its current name is officially the Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport. Billy Bishop was a *WWI* flying ace. Another large Toronto airport was Downsview, a military airport which had significant WWII connections. Don't know if there was any battle with a similar name. Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 11:35:14 -0500 From: zedgarhoo...@gmail.com Subject: Re: What is Toronto To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu On Mon, Feb 21, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Paul Peplinski paul.peplin...@wpsic.com wrote: Given that - does Toronto meet any of the other criteria - at least two airports, the largest named after a WWII hero and the second largest named after a WWII battle? Not so much. Pearson was a WWI veteran and prime minister; the next largest Toronto airport is Toronto Islands, I believe, which is named after, well, the island. BUT given that: - WWI is almost WWII - many WWII battles had islands in the name I could see getting there with big question marks. Aside, of course, from the Canada != US issue :-( -- zMan -- I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 11:35:14 -0500, zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com wrote: Not so much. Pearson was a WWI veteran and prime minister; the next largest Toronto airport is Toronto Islands, I believe, which is named after, well, the island. Pearson served in both WWI and WWII. The island airport is named after Billy Bishop, WWI hero who also served in WWII. Regards, Mike Baldwin Cartagena Software Ltd. Markham, Ontario www.cartagena.com www.teltape.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What is Toronto?
- Original Message - From: Chase, John jch...@ussco.com Newsgroups: bit.listserv.ibm-main Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 11:33 AM Subject: Re: What is Toronto? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Walt Farrell I wonder if the Watson team will open an APAR for this? :-) If they do, I bet it closes FIN, WAD, or user error. Those seem to be the only responses from Level 2 these days. Regards, Tom Conley -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What is Toronto
does Toronto meet any of the other criteria - at least two airports, the largest named after a WWII hero and the second largest named after a WWII battle? No. There are four commercial airports in the Greater Toronto Area (GTA). Pearson International Airport -- named after our first Prime Minister to receive a Nobel Peace Prize. Buttonville -- which is now closed, I believe. Toronto Island Airport and John C. Munro Airport in Hamilton -- named after a deceased Federal Health Minister who also represented one of the Hamilton ridings. The problem with all the hype, is what I told my family friends: a computer is only as good as its programming and data. Obviously, somebody loaded ther wrong information. Now, a lot think that Watson is/was a bit of a joke, regardless of its overall success. Here's a bit of trivia: Please phrase your response in the form of a question: 70. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Buttonville -- which is now closed, I believe. Not yet ... but it will be in a year or so. Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 18:37:03 + From: eamacn...@yahoo.ca Subject: Re: What is Toronto To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu does Toronto meet any of the other criteria - at least two airports, the largest named after a WWII hero and the second largest named after a WWII battle? No. There are four commercial airports in the Greater Toronto Area (GTA). Pearson International Airport -- named after our first Prime Minister to receive a Nobel Peace Prize. Buttonville -- which is now closed, I believe. Toronto Island Airport and John C. Munro Airport in Hamilton -- named after a deceased Federal Health Minister who also represented one of the Hamilton ridings. The problem with all the hype, is what I told my family friends: a computer is only as good as its programming and data. Obviously, somebody loaded ther wrong information. Now, a lot think that Watson is/was a bit of a joke, regardless of its overall success. Here's a bit of trivia: Please phrase your response in the form of a question: 70. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Of course, this could refer to Toronto, Ohio which is not far from Canada! Which is also rumored to be one of the first places to buy an NCR product from Mr. Watson himself. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Note that Watson signaled its dissatisfaction with its response by suffixing its answer with a string of ?s and betting under $1000. Watson didn't know what the question was when he made his wager, so that didn't signal his dissatisfaction with his answer but, rather, with the category. (Why US Cities would cause him dissatisfaction is beyond me. I would have thought most would bet big on that.) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 12:20:00 -0500 From: hal9...@panix.com Subject: Re: What is Toronto To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu At 9:22 AM -0600 on 2/21/11, Paul Peplinski wrote about Re: What is Toronto: Given that - does Toronto meet any of the other criteria - at least two airports, the largest named after a WWII hero and the second largest named after a WWII battle? It meets the 2 airport, one named after a person (Pearson), and one named after a location (Toronto) criteria. The WWII restriction was not meet (for Toronto) - I do not know who Pearson was so that may or may not have been met. Note that Watson signaled its dissatisfaction with its response by suffixing its answer with a string of ?s and betting under $1000. I do not think its top 3 choices was displayed and if this was a regular round question, I think it would have passed on attempting to answer. IOW; Due to being Final Jeopardy it was forced to supply an answer (the highest on its ranking list). A human would have responded I Don't Know and bet something like $25 but Watson's programing only allowed it to signal its lack of confidence via the ? and the low bet. It seems to select its bet based on its confidence in the correctness of its answer. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What is Toronto
The island airport is named after Billy Bishop, WWI hero who also served in WWII. Nobdy I know, in Toronto, calls it anything but the Island Airport (or Toronto Island Airport), including the city newspapers. And, I've lived in Toronto for 30 years. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Another large Toronto airport was Downsview, a military airport which had significant WWII connections. Downsview was a suburb of Toronto, before the amalgamation a decade ago. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What is Toronto
On 21 February 2011 09:56, john gilmore john_w_gilm...@msn.com wrote: To my knowledge IBM has not explained how Watson came to move Toronto south into the United States. Keep in mind that there *are* several Torontos in the United States. There's one in Australia, too, and to my knowledge all are named for the original. It struck me at the time that perhaps one of the tiny US Toronto towns passed the US cities part of the test, and then the airports squeaked through the WWn hero part, without there being any firm constraint that it be the same Toronto. As with any big city, there are lots of little general aviation airports within a 100 mile or so radius, and perhaps one of them has a name associated with a WW2 battle. We can of course guess. It seems likely that Toronto figures as an important destination|origin of traffic of some kind among North American nodes many of which are United Statesian cities, and that Watson inferred incorrectly, say, that since Chicago, Detroit, and St. Louis were in trhe U.S. Toronto must be in the U.S. too. There's certainly a fair bit of transitting air traffic from the US that comes this way, either in the sense of stop and change planes or in that Toronto Centre is an air traffic control facility that many US planes encounter on flights either within the US or from the US to Europe. Airline schedules and published ATC info could have provided some of that data. Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Downsview was a suburb of Toronto, before the amalgamation a decade ago. Yes, just like Buttonville. Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 18:49:42 + From: eamacn...@yahoo.ca Subject: Re: What is Toronto To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Another large Toronto airport was Downsview, a military airport which had significant WWII connections. Downsview was a suburb of Toronto, before the amalgamation a decade ago. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 13:45:54 -0500, J R jayare...@hotmail.com wrote: Note that Watson signaled its dissatisfaction with its response by suffixing its answer with a string of ?s and betting under $1000. Watson didn't know what the question was when he made his wager, so that didn't signal his dissatisfaction with his answer but, rather, with the category. (Why US Cities would cause him dissatisfaction is beyond me. I would have thought most would bet big on that.) The amount of the bet surprised me, too, but I don't understand anything about the wagering process Watson used for the Daily Doubles nor Final Jeopardy. But remember that he was well ahead in that game and did not need to bet big in order to win that particular game, and that may also have factored into the small wager. He bet larger for the next game. The amount on that one also surprised me, as (if I remember correctly) it was more than needed to guarantee a win that day. -- Walt (still not an official IBM spokesperson for this, and speaking solely as a Jeopardy watcher) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 19:01:30 +0200, Binyamin Dissen bdis...@dissensoftware.com wrote: On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 09:30:10 -0600 Walt Farrell wfarr...@us.ibm.com wrote: :Then they showed an example where this feedback enabled Watson's machine :learning algorithms to learn from those answers. In that example, the :category name was something about months and the answers gave pairs of :holidays that occurred in a particular month. The questions needed to be of :the form what is February and Watson did not understand that until the :other players had correctly answered several (4?) questions. Watson was then :able to corretly answer subsequent questions in that category. IIRC, after one contestant gave a wrong answer Watson buzzed in with the same wrong answer. Was it being fed the answers? From what I recall from (I think) the Nova episode, Watson was not given the incorrect responses made by the other contestants; it learned the correct response after they concluded a question. Again, I'm not an official spokesperson for Watson or IBM. -- Walt -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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amount was not about the Day all days were added together Walt Farrell wfarr...@us.ibm. COM To Sent by: IBM IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Mainframe cc Discussion List ibm-m...@bama.ua Subject .edu Re: What is Toronto 02/21/2011 02:33 PM Please respond to IBM Mainframe Discussion List ibm-m...@bama.ua .edu On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 13:45:54 -0500, J R jayare...@hotmail.com wrote: Note that Watson signaled its dissatisfaction with its response by suffixing its answer with a string of ?s and betting under $1000. Watson didn't know what the question was when he made his wager, so that didn't signal his dissatisfaction with his answer but, rather, with the category. (Why US Cities would cause him dissatisfaction is beyond me. I would have thought most would bet big on that.) The amount of the bet surprised me, too, but I don't understand anything about the wagering process Watson used for the Daily Doubles nor Final Jeopardy. But remember that he was well ahead in that game and did not need to bet big in order to win that particular game, and that may also have factored into the small wager. He bet larger for the next game. The amount on that one also surprised me, as (if I remember correctly) it was more than needed to guarantee a win that day. -- Walt (still not an official IBM spokesperson for this, and speaking solely as a Jeopardy watcher) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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At 19:01 +0200 on 02/21/2011, Binyamin Dissen wrote about Re: What is Toronto?: On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 09:30:10 -0600 Walt Farrell wfarr...@us.ibm.com wrote: :Then they showed an example where this feedback enabled Watson's machine :learning algorithms to learn from those answers. In that example, the :category name was something about months and the answers gave pairs of :holidays that occurred in a particular month. The questions needed to be of :the form what is February and Watson did not understand that until the :other players had correctly answered several (4?) questions. Watson was then :able to corretly answer subsequent questions in that category. IIRC, after one contestant gave a wrong answer Watson buzzed in with the same wrong answer. Was it being fed the answers? Apparently not. I was when in training mode (so it could learn how a category worked). In this case, Watson was at a disadvantage against the Humans since it was not given the chance to eliminate its top answer if it was incorrect as revealed by a Human having just given it. The question is if this non-feedback was left in as some compensation for some of its advantages (such as faster buzzing capability). -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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At 11:35 -0500 on 02/21/2011, zMan wrote about Re: What is Toronto: Not so much. Pearson was a WWI veteran and prime minister; the next largest Toronto airport is Toronto Islands, I believe, which is named after, well, the island. So Toronto Airport (YTZ) is the smallest of the 3 Toronto Airports? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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After poking around in google maps, I discovered that there are a number of Torontos in the US: Toronto, IA Toronto, IL Toronto, KS Toronto, MO Toronto, SD Toronto, TX And a website named Toronto, USA (see http://torontousa.com) If I only had computer data base, I get get confused, too. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Aled Hughes Sent: Monday, February 21, 2011 1:44 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: What is Toronto Of course, this could refer to Toronto, Ohio which is not far from Canada! Which is also rumored to be one of the first places to buy an NCR product from Mr. Watson himself. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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So Toronto Airport (YTZ) is the smallest of the 3 Toronto Airports? I think Buttonville is smaller than Toronto Island. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Of course, apropos of nothing, there's also the capital of Albania -- but they spell it differently. ;-) (Yes, I know it's not Friday, but it is a holiday up here in the Great White North.) Date: Mon, 21 Feb 2011 15:13:52 -0500 From: donb...@gmail.com Subject: Re: What is Toronto To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu After poking around in google maps, I discovered that there are a number of Torontos in the US: Toronto, IA Toronto, IL Toronto, KS Toronto, MO Toronto, SD Toronto, TX And a website named Toronto, USA (see http://torontousa.com) If I only had computer data base, I get get confused, too. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What is Toronto
We shouldn't make the mistake that Watson is actually thinking about or knows the answers. What it does is akin to what Google does. It rips apart the category and original clue into important and non-important terms to search (with some programming help for Jeopardy-like wordplay that often occurs). This set of data is used to search a humongous tagged database to find a series of hits which are scored (probably, again similar to Google or Bing or whatever you fancy) based on the count and relative proximity of the search terms within the hits. From the highest scored results, it would then use a similar algorithm to throw out trivial words and use some lexical analysis to select a set of important words/phrases -- from which plausible answers are selected. An algorithm can then score these words/phrases based on the frequency that they appear in the high scored search hits and their proximity to the search words within those hits. The program is also influenced by training (through machine learning techniques) as to what answers are more likely to be right or wrong. The resultant word/phrase with the highest score is then selected as the answer. You can try it out on Google. Select one of the answers that Watson generated the correct question for and type the category and answer, verbatim, into the search term. It is highly likely that the words to generate the right question appear in the actual text that Google returns (Google is not programmed to answer the query in the form of a question ... :-) ) You can't use a question that Watson missed (like the Toronto one) at this point because the tagging metadata for every one of them is dominated by discussion topics like this one, so the top 100-1000 hits are all going to point to various online discussions (like this one) on why Watson got it wrong, rather than a reasonable answer. Disclaimer: I had nothing to do with the programming for Watson, just what I've been able to piece together based on what's been released and what I know about search and machine learning. Scott Fagen Chief Architect CA Mainframe -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
