Re: What to use to find tape utilization?
Ken Porowski pisze: But what is the estimate based on? The 'standard' 3 to 1 compression ratio? I have fit over 1TB of SMF data on a 'standard' 3592 in EFMT1. Thers is still room on the tape but I don't know how much. I remember when I recorded some IEBDG output on the tape (tests). I exceeded 6TB on EFMT1 ...and got abend F37 due to RMM error. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2009 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci wpacony) wynosi 118.763.528 zotych. W zwizku z realizacj warunkowego podwyszenia kapitau zakadowego, na podstawie uchway XXI WZ z dnia 16 marca 2008r., oraz uchway XVI NWZ z dnia 27 padziernika 2008r., moe ulec podwyszeniu do kwoty 123.763.528 z. Akcje w podwyszonym kapitale zakadowym BRE Banku SA bd w caoci opacone. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What to use to find tape utilization?
I've found the FATS from Innovation does a good job of telling you what's physically used and hence your compression. Plus it has search/browse, etc options. It's relatively 'cheap' and keeps up with the hardware vendors. Jack Kelly 202-502-2390 (Office) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What to use to find tape utilization?
Actually, that will depend on the TAPEMAP utility. Some (the one included with the CA-1/Copycat and CA TLMS/Copycat utitilies for example) will actually get the physical tape position from the device at the end of each file to give an accurate position map of all files on the tape. But you are correct, based strictly on the amount of data written does nothing to determine how much of the tape has been used; not since IDRC was introduced. Russell Witt CA 1 L2 Support Manager -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu]on Behalf Of Scott Rowe Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 2:55 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: What to use to find tape utilization? You do realize, though, that while TAPEMAP can tell you how much data is on a tape, but it won't (AFAIK) be able to tell you how much of the tape is utilized, right? The only way to tell how much space is left on the tape, is to ask the tape drive, and I believe (though I could be wrong) that can only be done when the tape is positioned at end-of-data. >>> "Wissink, Brad [ITSYS]" 6/16/2009 4:48 PM >>> But we don't TMS or RMM. We have a homegrown tape management system. So I am looking for a tool to scan a tape and give me as much information about what is on that tape on the few occasions that we need to know. Brad Wissink Information Technology Services Iowa State University 515-294-3088 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What to use to find tape utilization?
Ken Porowski pisze: But what is the estimate based on? The 'standard' 3 to 1 compression ratio? I have fit over 1TB of SMF data on a 'standard' 3592 in EFMT1. Thers is still room on the tape but I don't know how much. Length of tape (in metres) nowadays is bulls*t. 1. Serpentine recording. It like audio casette with A and B side, but modern tapes has multiple dozen of "sides" (72 for TS1130 aka Jaguar3). Because of that real physical tape length should be multiplied by "number of sides". 2. Blocking. Space (length) occupied "brutto" depends on the block size. Both - logical, and physical. Physical means modern tape drives do its own reblocking "under the cover". 3. Last but not least: COMPRESSION. While you can find out what amount of tape is really occupied (such info is provided by RMM) - of course "the number of bytes" has little to do with dataset(s) size, but you cannot predict exactly how well your future data will be compressed. Of course you can alway estimate it using "not less than" operator, but such estimates will be very innacurate, unless you record really non-compressible data. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2009 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA (w caoci wpacony) wynosi 118.763.528 zotych. W zwizku z realizacj warunkowego podwyszenia kapitau zakadowego, na podstawie uchway XXI WZ z dnia 16 marca 2008r., oraz uchway XVI NWZ z dnia 27 padziernika 2008r., moe ulec podwyszeniu do kwoty 123.763.528 z. Akcje w podwyszonym kapitale zakadowym BRE Banku SA bd w caoci opacone. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What to use to find tape utilization?
Or CA-1, if you have this. Kees. "Hal Merritt" wrote in message news:<1910aea19cd2554fb59403184ebe4381025eb93...@mmoexchmbs01.jhacorp.co m>... > DFRMM. > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Brad Wissink > Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 11:34 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu > Subject: What to use to find tape utilization? > > We need to determine the utilization of a 3592 tape. What program or utility > do people use to determine tape utilization? > > > NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any files transmitted with it are intended > exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. The message, > together with any attachment, may contain confidential and/or privileged information. > Any unauthorized review, use, printing, saving, copying, disclosure or distribution > is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please > immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete all copies. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html ** For information, services and offers, please visit our web site: http://www.klm.com. This e-mail and any attachment may contain confidential and privileged material intended for the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are notified that no part of the e-mail or any attachment may be disclosed, copied or distributed, and that any other action related to this e-mail or attachment is strictly prohibited, and may be unlawful. If you have received this e-mail by error, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, and delete this message. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij NV (KLM), its subsidiaries and/or its employees shall not be liable for the incorrect or incomplete transmission of this e-mail or any attachments, nor responsible for any delay in receipt. Koninklijke Luchtvaart Maatschappij N.V. (also known as KLM Royal Dutch Airlines) is registered in Amstelveen, The Netherlands, with registered number 33014286 ** -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What to use to find tape utilization?
You do realize, though, that while TAPEMAP can tell you how much data is on a tape, but it won't (AFAIK) be able to tell you how much of the tape is utilized, right? The only way to tell how much space is left on the tape, is to ask the tape drive, and I believe (though I could be wrong) that can only be done when the tape is positioned at end-of-data. >>> "Wissink, Brad [ITSYS]" 6/16/2009 4:48 PM >>> But we don't TMS or RMM. We have a homegrown tape management system. So I am looking for a tool to scan a tape and give me as much information about what is on that tape on the few occasions that we need to know. Brad Wissink Information Technology Services Iowa State University 515-294-3088 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Scott Rowe Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 2:45 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: What to use to find tape utilization? But that will take a long time to scan the tapes. The data should already be available in you tape management system, I know it is in TMS and RMM. >>> "Wissink, Brad [ITSYS]" 6/16/2009 2:02 PM >>> Thanks, this is what we are looking for. Brad Wissink Information Technology Services Iowa State University 515-294-3088 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Klein, Kenneth Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:35 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: What to use to find tape utilization? tapemap from the cbt dumps all the data about a tape include an estimate of the length of tape used for data. Ken Klein Sr. Systems Programmer Kentucky Farm Bureau Insurance - Louisville kenneth.kl...@kyfb.com 502-495-5000 x7011 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 1:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: What to use to find tape utilization? There are a nice set of STORAGE TOOLS on IBM website. They are free and do a good job at identifying tape stuff, like BLKSIZE under utilization, Tape Length, etc... ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/storage/tapetool/ Lizette > Subject: What to use to find tape utilization? > > We need to determine the utilization of a 3592 tape. What program or utility > do people use to determine tape utilization? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html CONFIDENTIALITY/EMAIL NOTICE: The material in this transmission contains confidential and privileged information intended only for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this material in error and that any forwarding, copying, printing, distribution, use or disclosure of the material is strictly prohibited. If you have received this material in error, please (i) do not read it, (ii) reply to the sender that you received the message in error, and (iii) erase or destroy the material. Emails are not secure and can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by email. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html CONFIDENTIALITY/EMAIL NOTICE: The material in this transmission contains confidential and privileged information intended only for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this material in error and that any forwarding, copying, printing, distribution, use or disclosure of the material is strictly prohibited. If you have received this material in error, please (i) do not read
Re: What to use to find tape utilization?
But we don't TMS or RMM. We have a homegrown tape management system. So I am looking for a tool to scan a tape and give me as much information about what is on that tape on the few occasions that we need to know. Brad Wissink Information Technology Services Iowa State University 515-294-3088 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Scott Rowe Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 2:45 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: What to use to find tape utilization? But that will take a long time to scan the tapes. The data should already be available in you tape management system, I know it is in TMS and RMM. >>> "Wissink, Brad [ITSYS]" 6/16/2009 2:02 PM >>> Thanks, this is what we are looking for. Brad Wissink Information Technology Services Iowa State University 515-294-3088 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Klein, Kenneth Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:35 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: What to use to find tape utilization? tapemap from the cbt dumps all the data about a tape include an estimate of the length of tape used for data. Ken Klein Sr. Systems Programmer Kentucky Farm Bureau Insurance - Louisville kenneth.kl...@kyfb.com 502-495-5000 x7011 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 1:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: What to use to find tape utilization? There are a nice set of STORAGE TOOLS on IBM website. They are free and do a good job at identifying tape stuff, like BLKSIZE under utilization, Tape Length, etc... ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/storage/tapetool/ Lizette > Subject: What to use to find tape utilization? > > We need to determine the utilization of a 3592 tape. What program or utility > do people use to determine tape utilization? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html CONFIDENTIALITY/EMAIL NOTICE: The material in this transmission contains confidential and privileged information intended only for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this material in error and that any forwarding, copying, printing, distribution, use or disclosure of the material is strictly prohibited. If you have received this material in error, please (i) do not read it, (ii) reply to the sender that you received the message in error, and (iii) erase or destroy the material. Emails are not secure and can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by email. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What to use to find tape utilization?
But that will take a long time to scan the tapes. The data should already be available in you tape management system, I know it is in TMS and RMM. >>> "Wissink, Brad [ITSYS]" 6/16/2009 2:02 PM >>> Thanks, this is what we are looking for. Brad Wissink Information Technology Services Iowa State University 515-294-3088 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Klein, Kenneth Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:35 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: What to use to find tape utilization? tapemap from the cbt dumps all the data about a tape include an estimate of the length of tape used for data. Ken Klein Sr. Systems Programmer Kentucky Farm Bureau Insurance - Louisville kenneth.kl...@kyfb.com 502-495-5000 x7011 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 1:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: What to use to find tape utilization? There are a nice set of STORAGE TOOLS on IBM website. They are free and do a good job at identifying tape stuff, like BLKSIZE under utilization, Tape Length, etc... ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/storage/tapetool/ Lizette > Subject: What to use to find tape utilization? > > We need to determine the utilization of a 3592 tape. What program or utility > do people use to determine tape utilization? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html CONFIDENTIALITY/EMAIL NOTICE: The material in this transmission contains confidential and privileged information intended only for the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, please be advised that you have received this material in error and that any forwarding, copying, printing, distribution, use or disclosure of the material is strictly prohibited. If you have received this material in error, please (i) do not read it, (ii) reply to the sender that you received the message in error, and (iii) erase or destroy the material. Emails are not secure and can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by email. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What to use to find tape utilization?
But what is the estimate based on? The 'standard' 3 to 1 compression ratio? I have fit over 1TB of SMF data on a 'standard' 3592 in EFMT1. Thers is still room on the tape but I don't know how much. -Original Message- Klein, Kenneth tapemap from the cbt dumps all the data about a tape include an estimate of the length of tape used for data. Ken Klein Sr. Systems Programmer Kentucky Farm Bureau Insurance - Louisville kenneth.kl...@kyfb.com 502-495-5000 x7011 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What to use to find tape utilization?
Thanks, this is what we are looking for. Brad Wissink Information Technology Services Iowa State University 515-294-3088 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Klein, Kenneth Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 12:35 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: What to use to find tape utilization? tapemap from the cbt dumps all the data about a tape include an estimate of the length of tape used for data. Ken Klein Sr. Systems Programmer Kentucky Farm Bureau Insurance - Louisville kenneth.kl...@kyfb.com 502-495-5000 x7011 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 1:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: What to use to find tape utilization? There are a nice set of STORAGE TOOLS on IBM website. They are free and do a good job at identifying tape stuff, like BLKSIZE under utilization, Tape Length, etc... ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/storage/tapetool/ Lizette > Subject: What to use to find tape utilization? > > We need to determine the utilization of a 3592 tape. What program or utility > do people use to determine tape utilization? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What to use to find tape utilization?
In a message dated 6/16/2009 12:36:05 P.M. Central Daylight Time, kenneth.kl...@kyfb.com writes: estimate of the length of tape used for data. >> Used it for decades-file 299. But does it work on 3592's? **An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221823265x1201398681/aol?redir=http://www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072&hmpgID=62&bcd=Jun eExcfooterNO62) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What to use to find tape utilization?
tapemap from the cbt dumps all the data about a tape include an estimate of the length of tape used for data. Ken Klein Sr. Systems Programmer Kentucky Farm Bureau Insurance - Louisville kenneth.kl...@kyfb.com 502-495-5000 x7011 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 1:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: What to use to find tape utilization? There are a nice set of STORAGE TOOLS on IBM website. They are free and do a good job at identifying tape stuff, like BLKSIZE under utilization, Tape Length, etc... ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/storage/tapetool/ Lizette > Subject: What to use to find tape utilization? > > We need to determine the utilization of a 3592 tape. What program or utility > do people use to determine tape utilization? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What to use to find tape utilization?
There are a nice set of STORAGE TOOLS on IBM website. They are free and do a good job at identifying tape stuff, like BLKSIZE under utilization, Tape Length, etc... ftp://ftp.software.ibm.com/storage/tapetool/ Lizette > Subject: What to use to find tape utilization? > > We need to determine the utilization of a 3592 tape. What program or utility > do people use to determine tape utilization? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: What to use to find tape utilization?
DFRMM. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Brad Wissink Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 11:34 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: What to use to find tape utilization? We need to determine the utilization of a 3592 tape. What program or utility do people use to determine tape utilization? NOTICE: This electronic mail message and any files transmitted with it are intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. The message, together with any attachment, may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, printing, saving, copying, disclosure or distribution is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately advise the sender by reply email and delete all copies. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
What to use to find tape utilization?
We need to determine the utilization of a 3592 tape. What program or utility do people use to determine tape utilization? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
