page data sets and HiperPAV (was: Large Page Datasets APAR OA20749)

2008-03-04 Thread Barbara Nitz
Kees,

I am not sure who Hiperpavs react on ASM I/O, but currently ASM
*reserves* PAV exposures with WLM, so ASM will never be bothered by PAV
management issues, which could result in undesired bad ASM performance.

My recollection of HiperPAV presentations is fuzzy, but as far as I remember, 
it is done completely in hardware, and the 'alias' is assigned for exactly one 
I/O operation, in hardware. So there is no 'reservation' of aliases needed 
anymore, they get shifted around in hardware depending on load to a volume. I 
have forgotten if several UCBs are needed in MVS, but I don't think so. I 
remember HiperPAV being presented as the best thing since sliced bread! :-)

Regards, Barbara
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Re: page data sets and HiperPAV (was: Large Page Datasets APAR OA20749)

2008-03-04 Thread Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM
Barbara Nitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message
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 Kees,
 
 I am not sure who Hiperpavs react on ASM I/O, but currently ASM
 *reserves* PAV exposures with WLM, so ASM will never be bothered by
PAV
 management issues, which could result in undesired bad ASM
performance.
 
 My recollection of HiperPAV presentations is fuzzy, but as far as I
remember, it is done completely in hardware, and the 'alias' is assigned
for exactly one I/O operation, in hardware. So there is no 'reservation'
of aliases needed anymore, they get shifted around in hardware depending
on load to a volume. I have forgotten if several UCBs are needed in MVS,
but I don't think so. I remember HiperPAV being presented as the best
thing since sliced bread! :-)
 
 Regards, Barbara

Yes, as I understood too, it is fully managed by the hardware, not by
WLM. So this means that ASM may have to compete for exposures.
Possibly/hopefully ASM's I/O priority will give it the needed advantage.
Otherwise Shane's remark about SECP may be not the joke it seemed at
first glance.

Kees.
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Re: page data sets and HiperPAV (was: Large Page Datasets APAR OA20749)

2008-03-04 Thread Zaromil Tisler
On Tue, 4 Mar 2008 12:31:01 +0100, Vernooy, C.P. - SPLXM  wrote:

- snip -
Yes, as I understood too, it is fully managed by the hardware, not by
WLM. So this means that ASM may have to compete for exposures.
Possibly/hopefully ASM's I/O priority will give it the needed advantage.
Otherwise Shane's remark about SECP may be not the joke it seemed at
first glance.
- snip -

Last information I have found about status of ASM and HyperPAV was in the 
thread PLPA and COMMON PAGESPACE Size, mail from 13 Sep 2007:

- snip -
 But note that ASM only supports starting 2 I/Os to a page data set
 when there are dynamic PAVs (as opposed to static PAVs).  Unless
 something has changed since z/OS 1.3 when this support was introduced.

  That is a very good point, especially because I was going to say
Dynamic PAV and of course HyperPAV, but thought I had better check
the code first.  It turns out that the ASM code which decides whether
to create two sets of I/O control blocks for a page data set was not
updated for HyperPAV (an oversight on our part).  It checks to see 
if you specified WLM PAV when you defined the device in HCD.  Since
WLM doesn't need to manage PAVs when the control unit has been told
to use HyperPAV mode, our intention was that the specification of
WLM PAV in HCD would be irrelevant for HyperPAV devices.  But for
now, it looks like you would want to specify WLM PAV for HyperPAV
paging devices, until we can update the ASM code (probably via an APAR)
to automatically recognize HyperPAV paging devices. 
- snip -

Zaromil

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