Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

2009-05-01 Thread Gerhard Postpischil

Kirk Talman wrote:
3 per optional TTR (you can have 0 to 3 of them - recently linked vanilla 
modules seem to have one - doc says "first block of text")


and a maximum of 31 "user" half words (0-62) for the data field (recently 
linked vanilla modules seem to have 12 halfwords for total of 24 bytes - 
doc says first byte zeroes, TTR of "note list or scat/trans table" [0 in 
sample], one byte of length of that table [0 in sample], 3 bytes "main 
storage needed", ...)



  0100C9C5 C1D5E4C3 F0F00067 0450006A 
*..IEANUC00...&.¦*
  00100169 26E2 0839C80A 7800 
*...S..H.*
  00208804 E807FC00 1A001A01 C9C5 
*h...Y.IE*
  0030C1D5E4C3 F0F10092 15500095 1095 
*ANUC01.k.&.n...n*
  00400B0006E2 0839C801 3800 8804 
*...S..H.h...*
  0050E8095800 04000401 C9C5 C1D5E4C3 
*Y.IEANUC*


Note that the flags field in IEANUC00 is x'50', denoting two 
TTRs and 16 halfwords of data. The total length is 44, showing 
that the TTR space is included in the data length.


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Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

2009-05-01 Thread Kirk Talman
S229-3169-3 S/360 OS FE handbook 4th ed (1971July) p231to the rescue

It's 8 bytes for the name,

3 for a TTR ("first block")

1 for flags (recently linked vanilla modules seem to have X'2C')

3 per optional TTR (you can have 0 to 3 of them - recently linked vanilla 
modules seem to have one - doc says "first block of text")

and a maximum of 31 "user" half words (0-62) for the data field (recently 
linked vanilla modules seem to have 12 halfwords for total of 24 bytes - 
doc says first byte zeroes, TTR of "note list or scat/trans table" [0 in 
sample], one byte of length of that table [0 in sample], 3 bytes "main 
storage needed", ...)

using doc 38 yrs old of interface ? years old

IBM Mainframe Discussion List  wrote on 05/01/2009 
05:04:13 PM:

> Bruno Sugliani wrote:
> > Or even more just by following the book that says that 62 bytes is the 
max
> > size for an entry and 256 bytes is the directory size.
> > So 4 should be safe 
> 
> Check again. It's 8 bytes for the name, 3 for TTR, 1 for flags, 
> and a maximum of 62 for the data field. So you can fit a maximum 
> of three per directory block.
> 
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Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

2009-05-01 Thread Gerhard Postpischil

Bruno Sugliani wrote:

Or even more just by following the book that says that 62 bytes is the max
size for an entry and 256 bytes is the directory size.
So 4 should be safe 


Check again. It's 8 bytes for the name, 3 for TTR, 1 for flags, 
and a maximum of 62 for the data field. So you can fit a maximum 
of three per directory block.



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Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

2009-05-01 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>Or even more just by following the book that says that 62 bytes is the max 
>size for an entry and 256 bytes is the directory size.
>So 4 should be safe 


I went out years ago and decided I should never have to worry about directory 
sizes.
Because I experimented with 1-track datasets, I missed the EOF and thought that 
44 blocks was the number per track.
I never looked it up, and forgot about it over 20 years ago.
I've now updated my crib-sheets, and, for those who will listen, I recommend 
674 blocks as a starting point (1 cylinder), and if you really think you are 
going to have more than that times 4 (6, or 21), consider 645*NN-1. Where NN is 
the number of cylinders you want to allocate to the directory.
DASD is cheap; spending mind-sweat (and time re-building them) is not!

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Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

2009-05-01 Thread Bruno Sugliani
Or even more just by following the book that says that 62 bytes is the max
size for an entry and 256 bytes is the directory size.
So 4 should be safe 
:-)) 
   
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On Fri, 1 May 2009 11:48:44 -0700, Gibney, Dave  wrote:

>And then double or triple it :)
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Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

2009-05-01 Thread Gibney, Dave
And then double or triple it :)

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> since everyone seems to have a (correct) different answer - how about
> just
> create a PDS as you think it will be created (or exists) at your site
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> member
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Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

2009-05-01 Thread Chris Hoelscher
since everyone seems to have a (correct) different answer - how about just 
create a PDS as you think it will be created (or exists) at your site - 
start adding members and check the directory blocks used after each member 
add - you should then get a good idea for YOUR circumstances how many 
members will fill a directory block .


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Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

2009-05-01 Thread Schwarz, Barry A
Does it give any indication if it will properly display the statistics
in the old (current) format?

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On Fri, 1 May 2009 11:26:01 -0500, Chris Bowen wrote:

>Be aware that some products/tools create and use "large" directory
entries.

Also note that the z/OS 11 preview says that the ISPF statistics may be
larger, reducing the number of members that will fit in a directory
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Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

2009-05-01 Thread Roach, Dennis (N-GHG)
When someone does something that causes the rule of thumb to become
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> > On Fri, 1 May 2009 11:26:01 -0500, Chris Bowen wrote:
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> > Also note that the z/OS 11 preview says that the ISPF statistics may
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> Ahh. Good catch. I'll have to watch for that.
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Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

2009-05-01 Thread Steve Comstock

Tom Marchant wrote:

On Fri, 1 May 2009 11:26:01 -0500, Chris Bowen wrote:


Be aware that some products/tools create and use "large" directory entries.


Also note that the z/OS 11 preview says that the ISPF statistics may be
larger, reducing the number of members that will fit in a directory block.


Ahh. Good catch. I'll have to watch for that.


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Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

2009-05-01 Thread Tom Marchant
On Fri, 1 May 2009 11:26:01 -0500, Chris Bowen wrote:

>Be aware that some products/tools create and use "large" directory entries.

Also note that the z/OS 11 preview says that the ISPF statistics may be
larger, reducing the number of members that will fit in a directory block.

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Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

2009-05-01 Thread Chris Bowen
Be aware that some products/tools create and use "large" directory entries.
 For these purposes "large" means larger than a directory entry that
contains ISPF stats.

As far as I know Macro 4 markets no such products but our products do have
to deal with "large" directory entries.

Chris Bowen
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Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

2009-04-30 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
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> members in a PDS ?
 
> With PDS's, I usually allocate in multiples of 44, since that's how
many
> directory blocks fit on a track.
> And, I usually allocate a cylinder's worth.

As I learned here on this list, that's not *quite* true.  It's 45 per
directory track except for the last (or only) track, which is 44 + EOF.
So use 44 for a one-track directory, and ((n - 1) * 45) + 44 for
multiple-track directories, where "n" is the desired number of tracks.

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Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

2009-04-30 Thread Ted MacNEIL
>I do not have numbers for PDS/E datasets and Directory Blocks.

PDS/E is not as important, since you don't run out.

With PDS's, I usually allocate in multiples of 44, since that's how many 
directory blocks fit on a track.
And, I usually allocate a cylinder's worth.

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Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

2009-04-30 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
R.S. wrote:

>3 for loadlibs (minimum)
>6 for "text" members with ISPF stats
>21 for "text" members without ISPF stats (max.)

>I swear I read the numbers in some IBM documentation, but it was looong 
time ago (OS/390 2.6 times).

No need to swear. You are correct of course! ;-D

Source:

Interactive System Productivity Facility (ISPF)
User's Guide Volume II 
z/OS Version 1 Release 10.0
Document Number SC34-4823-08

"Directory blocks Enter one of these:
- For partitioned data sets, you must specify the number of directory blocks. 
Each 256-byte block accommodates these number of directory entries:

  -   Data sets with ISPF statistics: 6
  -   Data sets without ISPF statistics: 21
  -   Load module data sets: 4-7, depending on attributes"

Another Source:

DFSMS Using Data Sets 
z/OS Version 1 Release 10.0
Document Number SC26-7410-08

"Each member in a data set and each alias need one directory entry apiece. If 
you expect to have 10 members (10 directory entries) and an average of 3 
aliases for each member (30 directory entries), allocate space for at least 40 
directory entries.

Space for the directory is expressed in 256-byte blocks. Each block contains 
from 3 to 21 entries, depending on the length of the user data field.  If you 
expect 200 directory entries, request at least 10 blocks."

HTH!

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Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

2009-04-30 Thread R.S.

3 for loadlibs (minimum)
6 for "text" members with ISPF stats
21 for "text" members without ISPF stats (max.)

I swear I read the numbers in some IBM documentation, but it was looong 
time ago (OS/390 2.6 times).


Of course this is only for PDS. PDSE is another story (and expandable 
directory).


BTW: the numbers shouldn't be indended for exact calculations, rather 
for rough estimation. One cannot be sure there won't be any extra member 
im the PDS (some day).


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Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

2009-04-30 Thread Crawford, Robert C.
Here's another fun fact:  You can print or copy a PDS' directory directly with 
IEBGENER by overriding the library's DCB parameters.

For instance, the following JCL:

//IEBGENER JOB (ACCT),'REPEAT MISTAKES '
//COPY1 EXEC PGM=IEBGENER,REGION=3072K,TIME=60   
//SYSPRINT  DD  SYSOUT=* 
//SYSUT1DD  DSN=THIS.IS.A.PDS,DISP=SHR,   
//  DCB=(LRECL=256,BLKSIZE=256,RECFM=F)  
//SYSUT2DD  SYSOUT=* 
//SYSIN DD DUMMY

Will print the directory.  Maybe not entirely useful, but it will entertain the 
curious and allow you to count the number of entries per directory block.

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Lizette Koehler wrote:
> That will depend on a couple of things.
> 
> A rule of thumb I have used is 
> 
> Loadlib 4 members per DIR Blk
> Source 7 member per Dir Blk if ISPF Statistics are OFF
> Source 4 member per Dir Blk if ISPF Statistics are ON
> 
> I do not have numbers for PDS/E datasets and Directory Blocks.
> 
> I have not looked at this in a while.  But this usually works for me.
> 
> Lizette
> 
> 
>> Hi all,
>>     Can somebody tell me what is the relationship between
>> directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

For loadlib's, "it depends"; we teach 4-7 member entries
per directory block (the source for that information is
lost in the past somewhere), so using 4 is safe

For non-loadlibs, you have room for 6 member entries per
directory block w/ stats on, or 21 if stats are off.

 From experience, it always helps to over-allocate number
of directory blocks, unless you have a library that will
never have new members added (a software product delivered
in unloaded PDS format might be like that, for example).


For PDSEs, it doesn't matter, since the directory can
dynamically grow as needed. Specify 1 at create time and
let the system take care of it.




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Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

2009-04-30 Thread Steve Comstock

Lizette Koehler wrote:

That will depend on a couple of things.

A rule of thumb I have used is 


Loadlib 4 members per DIR Blk
Source 7 member per Dir Blk if ISPF Statistics are OFF
Source 4 member per Dir Blk if ISPF Statistics are ON

I do not have numbers for PDS/E datasets and Directory Blocks.

I have not looked at this in a while.  But this usually works for me.

Lizette



Hi all,
Can somebody tell me what is the relationship between
directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?


For loadlib's, "it depends"; we teach 4-7 member entries
per directory block (the source for that information is
lost in the past somewhere), so using 4 is safe

For non-loadlibs, you have room for 6 member entries per
directory block w/ stats on, or 21 if stats are off.

From experience, it always helps to over-allocate number
of directory blocks, unless you have a library that will
never have new members added (a software product delivered
in unloaded PDS format might be like that, for example).


For PDSEs, it doesn't matter, since the directory can
dynamically grow as needed. Specify 1 at create time and
let the system take care of it.




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Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

2009-04-30 Thread Binyamin Dissen
On Thu, 30 Apr 2009 11:09:35 +0200 CUNY Yann 
wrote:

::>Can somebody tell me what is the relationship between
:>directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

Each directory block has 256 bytes, of which 2 bytes are used for a count.

The minimum directory entry is 12 bytes, but most are larger. Aliases use
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Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

2009-04-30 Thread Fatemi, Reza
Take a look at DESERV Service. 

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>I do not have numbers for PDS/E datasets and Directory Blocks.

To the external user there is no such thing as a directory block within a PDS-E 
- the member information is just taken from the general space within the 
dataset. 


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Subject: Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in 
a PDS ?

That will depend on a couple of things.

A rule of thumb I have used is 

Loadlib 4 members per DIR Blk
Source 7 member per Dir Blk if ISPF Statistics are OFF Source 4 member per Dir 
Blk if ISPF Statistics are ON

I do not have numbers for PDS/E datasets and Directory Blocks.

I have not looked at this in a while.  But this usually works for me.

Lizette


> 
> Hi all,
> Can somebody tell me what is the relationship between 
> directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?
> 
> 
> 

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Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

2009-04-30 Thread Rob Scott
>I do not have numbers for PDS/E datasets and Directory Blocks.

To the external user there is no such thing as a directory block within a PDS-E 
- the member information is just taken from the general space within the 
dataset. 


Rob Scott
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of 
Lizette Koehler
Sent: 30 April 2009 11:45
To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu
Subject: Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in 
a PDS ?

That will depend on a couple of things.

A rule of thumb I have used is 

Loadlib 4 members per DIR Blk
Source 7 member per Dir Blk if ISPF Statistics are OFF Source 4 member per Dir 
Blk if ISPF Statistics are ON

I do not have numbers for PDS/E datasets and Directory Blocks.

I have not looked at this in a while.  But this usually works for me.

Lizette


> 
> Hi all,
> Can somebody tell me what is the relationship between 
> directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?
> 
> 
> 

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Re: relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

2009-04-30 Thread Lizette Koehler
That will depend on a couple of things.

A rule of thumb I have used is 

Loadlib 4 members per DIR Blk
Source 7 member per Dir Blk if ISPF Statistics are OFF
Source 4 member per Dir Blk if ISPF Statistics are ON

I do not have numbers for PDS/E datasets and Directory Blocks.

I have not looked at this in a while.  But this usually works for me.

Lizette


> 
> Hi all,
> Can somebody tell me what is the relationship between
> directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?
> 
> 
> 

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relationship between directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

2009-04-30 Thread CUNY Yann
 

Hi all, 

 

Can somebody tell me what is the relationship between
directory blocks and the number of members in a PDS ?

 

Thanks ...


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