Re: z/Architecture Reference Summary
gah wrote: Steve Comstock wrote: Did you know the quoted price for these little gems (that came from the original S/360 "green card") are now priced at $173.82?!! It seems that z/Architecture Reference Summary (SA22-7871-04) is now down to $25.04. I think that is still high, but less than $173.82. I know they're downloadable for free, but I wanted to hand them out to a class in the little booklet form, not on 8.5 * 11 copy paper. But $173.82 for 84 pages? Plus shipping. The prices always include ground shipping, but not sales tax. What's up with that? Note: this is for the -04 version. The -03 version is only $52.64. Now only $8.63. but $65.88 for the -02, $6.11 for -01, $4.68 for -00. S/370 REFERENCE SUMMARY (GX20-1850-07) for $7.56. The Principles of Operation are still expensive, too. z/Architecture Principles of Operation (SA22-7832-06) $239.14, z/Architecture Principles of Operation (SA22-7832-05) $139.02, z/Architecture Principles of Operation (SA22-7832-04) $148.52, z/Architecture Principles of Operation (SA22-7832-03) $144.88, S/370 PRINCIPLES OF OPERATION (GA22-7000-10) $82.12, SYSTEM/370 EXTENDED ARCHITECTURE/INTERPRETIVE EXECUTION (SA22-7095-01) $13.30. -- glen Thanks for the update; I knew prices were scheduled to be corrected on Monday but I forgot to check. I have to say I also got a nice note from IBM pubs this morning letting me know of the price changes. I thanked them, but said "they are still pretty pricey for my for my needs, as a handout I don't charge extra for. Are there quantity discounts for, say 20 copies?" [BTW, this is for students in the Assembler class we are offering in Bentonville, AR the first week in December; we still have four seats left if you are interested. See http://www.trainersfriend.com/Assembler_%20courses/C410descrpt.htm ] Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com z/OS Application development made easier * Our classes include + How things work + Programming examples with realistic applications + Starter / skeleton code + Complete working programs + Useful utilities and subroutines + Tips and techniques ==> Check out the Trainer's Friend Store to purchase z/OS <== ==> application developer toolkits. Sample code in four<== ==> programming languages, JCL to Assemble or compile, <== ==> bind and test. <== ==> http://www.trainersfriend.com/TTFStore/index.html<== -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/Architecture Reference Summary
Steve Comstock wrote: Did you know the quoted price for these little gems (that came from the original S/360 "green card") are now priced at $173.82?!! It seems that z/Architecture Reference Summary (SA22-7871-04) is now down to $25.04. I think that is still high, but less than $173.82. I know they're downloadable for free, but I wanted to hand them out to a class in the little booklet form, not on 8.5 * 11 copy paper. But $173.82 for 84 pages? Plus shipping. The prices always include ground shipping, but not sales tax. What's up with that? Note: this is for the -04 version. The -03 version is only $52.64. Now only $8.63. but $65.88 for the -02, $6.11 for -01, $4.68 for -00. S/370 REFERENCE SUMMARY (GX20-1850-07) for $7.56. The Principles of Operation are still expensive, too. z/Architecture Principles of Operation (SA22-7832-06) $239.14, z/Architecture Principles of Operation (SA22-7832-05) $139.02, z/Architecture Principles of Operation (SA22-7832-04) $148.52, z/Architecture Principles of Operation (SA22-7832-03) $144.88, S/370 PRINCIPLES OF OPERATION (GA22-7000-10) $82.12, SYSTEM/370 EXTENDED ARCHITECTURE/INTERPRETIVE EXECUTION (SA22-7095-01) $13.30. -- glen -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/Architecture Reference Summary
2008/10/23 Don Williams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> quoted: > > Hi Don, > > I have spoken to the writer for z/Architecture and he mentioned that there > is > currently an error in the repricing of the documents you questioned. The > website should be fixed by next Monday. > > Thanks, > Debbie Quick > > ID Service Administrator: z/OS, z/VM, DFSMS, NFS > Hmmm... Maybe they should've used decimal floating point arithmetic. Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/Architecture Reference Summary
I asked IBM about their pricing: From: Debra A Quick [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of MHVRCFS Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 11:10 AM To: Williams, Donald Subject: Re: Emailing: LISTSERV 15.0 - IBM-MAIN Archives.htm (Are these the real price?) Hi Don, I have spoken to the writer for z/Architecture and he mentioned that there is currently an error in the repricing of the documents you questioned. The website should be fixed by next Monday. Thanks, Debbie Quick ID Service Administrator: z/OS, z/VM, DFSMS, NFS -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/Architecture Reference Summary
Isn't that what the Department of Defense said about the $435 hammers? > Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2008 10:08:06 -0700 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: z/Architecture Reference Summary > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > > I've heard rumors to the effect that the current (high) prices > were set erroneously, and that a correction is being considered. > John ehrman _ Stay organized with simple drag and drop from Windows Live Hotmail. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_102008 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/Architecture Reference Summary
John R. Ehrman (408-463-3543 T/543-) wrote: I've heard rumors to the effect that the current (high) prices were set erroneously, and that a correction is being considered. John ehrman That would be good news. Thanks for checking it out and staying on top of it, John. Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com z/OS Application development made easier * Our classes include + How things work + Programming examples with realistic applications + Starter / skeleton code + Complete working programs + Useful utilities and subroutines + Tips and techniques ==> Check out the Trainer's Friend Store to purchase z/OS <== ==> application developer toolkits. Sample code in four<== ==> programming languages, JCL to Assemble or compile, <== ==> bind and test. <== ==> http://www.trainersfriend.com/TTFStore/index.html<== -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
z/Architecture Reference Summary
I've heard rumors to the effect that the current (high) prices were set erroneously, and that a correction is being considered. John ehrman -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/Architecture Reference Summary
On Oct 20, 2008, at 11:15, Steve Comstock wrote: Did you know the quoted price for these little gems (that came from the original S/360 "green card") are now priced at $173.82?!! I know they're downloadable for free, but I wanted to hand them out to a class in the little booklet form, not on 8.5 * 11 copy paper. But $173.82 for 84 pages? Plus shipping. What's up with that? Ummm. (Cost of production) / (Number of copies sold)? They may need to start carrying third-party ads on those web pages. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/Architecture Reference Summary
Jousma, David wrote: How about this for a Program Directory: IBM Fault Analyzer for z/OS V9R1 Program Directory (GI10-8802-00) Abstract: This document contains the prerequisties and the installation information for IBM Fault Analyzer. Price: USD 41.35 The price shown above does not include taxes. Add to cart Recently I used the Program Directory. Costed me 0. Now I'm using another PGMDIR. I even printed it (to take home, I'm not allowed to use laptop in bedroom). The cost is still 0 (+ few sheets of paper). I like IBM documentation for both availability and quality (some excpetions do not change overall opinion). Especially when compared it to ISV's doco. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland -- BRE Bank SA ul. Senatorska 18 00-950 Warszawa www.brebank.pl Sd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydzia Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sdowego, nr rejestru przedsibiorców KRS 025237 NIP: 526-021-50-88 Wedug stanu na dzie 01.01.2008 r. kapita zakadowy BRE Banku SA wynosi 118.642.672 zote i zosta w caoci wpacony. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/Architecture Reference Summary
Looks like a pair of 6's with a 7 kicker. I wouldn't bet the house! -Original Message- Rob van der Heij On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 7:15 PM, Steve Comstock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But $173.82 for 84 pages? Plus shipping. No more worries about the Dow Jones. I'm sitting on gold! http://www.rvdheij.nl/fullhouse.jpg -Rob -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/Architecture Reference Summary
On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 7:15 PM, Steve Comstock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > But $173.82 for 84 pages? Plus shipping. No more worries about the Dow Jones. I'm sitting on gold! http://www.rvdheij.nl/fullhouse.jpg -Rob -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/Architecture Reference Summary
In a message dated 10/20/2008 1:48:33 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: >The z/Architecture Principles of Operation, SA22-7832-06, is now $1434.96! >I hope someone can correct those prices. Maybe they are in Yen. Or maybe IBM is pricing based on the expected value of one US dollar by the time they receive your order next week. Bill Fairchild Franklin, TN **BUY Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull on DVD today! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/10075x1209326865x1200539441/aol?redir=http://www.indianajones.com/site/index.html) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/Architecture Reference Summary
How about this for a Program Directory: IBM Fault Analyzer for z/OS V9R1 Program Directory (GI10-8802-00) Abstract: This document contains the prerequisties and the installation information for IBM Fault Analyzer. Price: USD 41.35 The price shown above does not include taxes. Add to cart Read/download free of charge:File File File Size Download Download Name Type Format Date (MB) Language Read HTTP Director I1088020 PDF Adobe 09-11-2008 0.12 ENU send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html This e-mail transmission contains information that is confidential and may be privileged. It is intended only for the addressee(s) named above. If you receive this e-mail in error, please do not read, copy or disseminate it in any manner. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this information is prohibited. Please reply to the message immediately by informing the sender that the message was misdirected. After replying, please erase it from your computer system. Your assistance in correcting this error is appreciated. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/Architecture Reference Summary
Steve Comstock wrote: Did you know the quoted price for these little gems (that came from the original S/360 "green card") are now priced at $173.82?!! It seems that older ones have gone up, also. The S/370 reference summary, GX20-1850-07, used to be reasonably priced but is now $72.02. The -02 for z/Architecture, SA22-7871-02, is now $94.10. The -01 is only (only?) $35.96. The -00 is $24.87, almost affordable. S/370 Principles of operation is now $215.98! The z/Architecture Principles of Operation, SA22-7832-06, is now $1434.96! In the past, most of these were reasonably priced. Once one came out a little high, someone complained, and later ones came out lower, though the old ones didn't change. I hope someone can correct those prices. Maybe they are in Yen. -- glen -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/Architecture Reference Summary
I remember when I took a university course on 370 assembler language programming. A "yellow card" was a couple of bucks and we were allowed to use it when taking the tests, along with anything that we could write on it. Here we go with another "good ol days" thread :-) Kirk Wolf Dovetailed Technologies FWIW - we actually used the "Assist" emulator that ran with the other "WAT*" emulators under a "fast batch" JES2 subsystem. On Mon, Oct 20, 2008 at 12:37 PM, J R <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It's probably the leather bound, gold edged, > collector's edition ... what with the mainframe > being dead and all. ;-) > > > > Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:15:56 -0600 > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: z/Architecture Reference Summary > > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > > > > Did you know the quoted price for these little gems > > (that came from the original S/360 "green card") are > > now priced at $173.82?!! > > > > I know they're downloadable for free, but I wanted > > to hand them out to a class in the little booklet > > form, not on 8.5 * 11 copy paper. > > > > But $173.82 for 84 pages? Plus shipping. > > > > What's up with that? > > > > Note: this is for the -04 version. The -03 version > > is only $52.64. > > > > > > > > Kind regards,> > -Steve Comstock> The Trainer's Friend, Inc. > _ > When your life is on the go—take your life with you. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/115298558/direct/01/ > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO > Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/Architecture Reference Summary
It's probably the leather bound, gold edged, collector's edition ... what with the mainframe being dead and all. ;-) > Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:15:56 -0600 > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: z/Architecture Reference Summary > To: IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU > > Did you know the quoted price for these little gems > (that came from the original S/360 "green card") are > now priced at $173.82?!! > > I know they're downloadable for free, but I wanted > to hand them out to a class in the little booklet > form, not on 8.5 * 11 copy paper. > > But $173.82 for 84 pages? Plus shipping. > > What's up with that? > > Note: this is for the -04 version. The -03 version > is only $52.64. > > > > > Kind regards,> > -Steve Comstock> The Trainer's Friend, Inc. _ When your life is on the go—take your life with you. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/115298558/direct/01/ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/Architecture Reference Summary
On Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:15:56 -0600, Steve Comstock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Did you know the quoted price for these little gems >(that came from the original S/360 "green card") are >now priced at $173.82?!! > >I know they're downloadable for free, but I wanted >to hand them out to a class in the little booklet >form, not on 8.5 * 11 copy paper. > >But $173.82 for 84 pages? Plus shipping. > >What's up with that? > >Note: this is for the -04 version. The -03 version >is only $52.64. My take on it, for what it is worth, is that IBM simply does NOT want to be bothered with being in the paper publishing business. So, this is the way that they "encourage" people to use on-line documentation, or simply print it themselves. Also, from what little I know, printing on "off sized" papers is quite a bit more expensive than on "standard" paper such as "letter" or A4 sized paper. -- John -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
z/Architecture Reference Summary
Did you know the quoted price for these little gems (that came from the original S/360 "green card") are now priced at $173.82?!! I know they're downloadable for free, but I wanted to hand them out to a class in the little booklet form, not on 8.5 * 11 copy paper. But $173.82 for 84 pages? Plus shipping. What's up with that? Note: this is for the -04 version. The -03 version is only $52.64. Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com z/OS Application development made easier * Our classes include + How things work + Programming examples with realistic applications + Starter / skeleton code + Complete working programs + Useful utilities and subroutines + Tips and techniques ==> Check out the Trainer's Friend Store to purchase z/OS <== ==> application developer toolkits. Sample code in four<== ==> programming languages, JCL to Assemble or compile, <== ==> bind and test. <== ==> http://www.trainersfriend.com/TTFStore/index.html<== -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
