Re: z/OS 1.4 to 1.7 upgrade differences question
I got an answer back from IBM development today on it, and they're in essence saying the same thing, albeit more generically. The answer I got was Rex...According to development: All data sets can potentially display SMS data now therefore the change. Apart from the SMS data, information should be the same. So, it's working as designed. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Zelden Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 7:43 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: z/OS 1.4 to 1.7 upgrade differences question On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:15:18 -0500, Norbert Friemel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:22:35 -0500, Mark Zelden wrote: Assuming it is not intentional for some reason (panel ISRUAIP still exists in hlq.SISPPENU) they should if the customer pushes for it. z/OS 1.7 doesn't hit EOS (end of service) until September 2008. But there could be a reason that IBM decided they always should use panel ISRUAIES. I just can't imagine what that reason could be. The reason is probably support for large format data sets in z/OS 1.7. DSNTYPE (LARGE or blank) appears only on panel ISRUAIES. Panel ISRUAIP is still used for PDS. Good catch. That is exactly the reason. Mark -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.4 to 1.7 upgrade differences question
On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:22:35 -0500, Mark Zelden wrote: Assuming it is not intentional for some reason (panel ISRUAIP still exists in hlq.SISPPENU) they should if the customer pushes for it. z/OS 1.7 doesn't hit EOS (end of service) until September 2008. But there could be a reason that IBM decided they always should use panel ISRUAIES. I just can't imagine what that reason could be. The reason is probably support for large format data sets in z/OS 1.7. DSNTYPE (LARGE or blank) appears only on panel ISRUAIES. Panel ISRUAIP is still used for PDS. Norbert Friemel -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.4 to 1.7 upgrade differences question
It appears on the 1.7 system I am working on now, after getting a Data Set List (=3.4) of a non-SMS dataset, that an S (Information - short) brings up panel ISRUAIES and the **NONE** in MC and SC. However, I (Information) brings up panel ISRUAIPO which does not display any SMS information. Under 1.4, S brings up ISRUAIP, while I brings up ISRUAIPO. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.4 to 1.7 upgrade differences question
On Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:15:18 -0500, Norbert Friemel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:22:35 -0500, Mark Zelden wrote: Assuming it is not intentional for some reason (panel ISRUAIP still exists in hlq.SISPPENU) they should if the customer pushes for it. z/OS 1.7 doesn't hit EOS (end of service) until September 2008. But there could be a reason that IBM decided they always should use panel ISRUAIES. I just can't imagine what that reason could be. The reason is probably support for large format data sets in z/OS 1.7. DSNTYPE (LARGE or blank) appears only on panel ISRUAIES. Panel ISRUAIP is still used for PDS. Good catch. That is exactly the reason. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
z/OS 1.4 to 1.7 upgrade differences question
Hi list. I have a question (probably rather picky) going from z/OS 1.4 to 1.7. During testing of the 1.7 upgrade, I had an applications programmer run a batch COBOL/IDMS job that created and cataloged a new non-SMS dataset. The JCL is shown below - quite straightforward, and the dataset ends up on a non-SMS pack as expected. //AGCYPROD EXEC PGM=AGCYPROD,REGION=0K //STEPLIB DD DSN=MVS.CN6.LOADLIB,DISP=SHR // DD DSN=WSC.PROD.LOADLIB,DISP=SHR // DD DSN=IDMS.PROD.LOADLIB,DISP=SHR //SYSLST DD SYSOUT=* //SYSCTL DD DSN=IDMS.SQL.SYSCTL,DISP=SHR //SYSIDMS DD DSN=MVS.PROD.SKELETON(WSCPROD),DISP=SHR //SYSOUT DD SYSOUT=* //SYSDBOUT DD SYSOUT=* //SYSUDUMP DD SYSOUT=D //OUTPUT DD DSN=MVS.CN6.AGENCY7, // DISP=(NEW,CATLG,DELETE), // UNIT=SYSDA, // DCB=(RECFM=FB,LRECL=110), // SPACE=(CYL,(20,10),RLSE) The question that I have is that once the dataset has been created under 1.7, looking at it under ISPF 3.4, it looks like this - notice the SMS management class, etc: Data Set Name . . . . : MVS.CN6.AGENCY7 General DataCurrent Allocation Management class . . : **None**Allocated cylinders : 2 Storage class . . . : **None**Allocated extents . : 1 Volume serial . . . : WSC003 Device type . . . . : 3390 Data class . . . . . : **None**Current Utilization Organization . . . : PS Used cylinders . . : 2 Record format . . . : FB Used extents . . . : 1 Record length . . . : 110 Block size . . . . : 27940 1st extent cylinders: 2 Secondary cylinders : 10 Data set name type : SMS Compressible : NO Creation date . . . : 2008/03/26 Referenced date . . : 2008/03/26 Expiration date . . : ***None*** When he runs the same JCL on a 1.4 system, the output from ISPF 3.4 looks like this - notice, no SMS information: Data Set Name . . . : MVS.CN6.AGENCY7 General DataCurrent Allocation Volume serial . . . : WSC001Allocated cylinders : 2 Device type . . . . : 3390Allocated extents . : 1 Organization . . . : PS Record format . . . : FB Record length . . . : 110 Block size . . . . : 27940 Current Utilization 1st extent cylinders: 2 Used cylinders . . : 2 Secondary cylinders : 10 Used extents . . . : 1 Creation date . . . : 2008/03/25 Referenced date . . : 2008/03/25 Expiration date . . : ***None*** As a control test, I allocated the same dataset on the 1.7 system using ISPF 3.2 and it showed up without the SMS lines in the ISPF output. I tried unsuccessfully to find some documentation that would explain the difference between the 1.4 and 1.7 system. Any ideas as to why the dataset allocated with the batch JCL would show up differently under 1.7 versus 1.4? Thanks. Rex -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.4 to 1.7 upgrade differences question
On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:08:07 -0500, Pommier, Rex R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The question that I have is that once the dataset has been created under 1.7, looking at it under ISPF 3.4, it looks like this - notice the SMS management class, etc: snip Hmmm.. It appears that panel ISRUAIES is being used instead of ISRUAIP for non-sms flat files. I've confirmed the same behavior on z/OS 1.8 and z/OS 1.9. I have a 1.6 system left and it looks correct. This should be APAR-able. Open a PMR with IBM ISPF support. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.4 to 1.7 upgrade differences question
Since we're talking 1.4 to 1.7 will IBM do that? Just curious. Daniel McLaughlin Z-Series Systems Programmer Information Communications Technology Crawford Company 4680 N. Royal Atlanta Tucker GA 30084 phone: 770-621-3256 fax: 770-621-3237 email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.crawfordandcompany.com IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu wrote on 03/26/2008 03:09:17 PM: -- Information from the mail header --- Sender: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@BAMA.UA.EDU Poster: Mark Zelden [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: z/OS 1.4 to 1.7 upgrade differences question --- On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 13:08:07 -0500, Pommier, Rex R. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip The question that I have is that once the dataset has been created under 1.7, looking at it under ISPF 3.4, it looks like this - notice the SMS management class, etc: snip Hmmm.. It appears that panel ISRUAIES is being used instead of ISRUAIP for non-sms flat files. I've confirmed the same behavior on z/OS 1.8 and z/OS 1.9. I have a 1.6 system left and it looks correct. This should be APAR-able. Open a PMR with IBM ISPF support. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html Best Overall Third-Party Claims Administrator - 2007 Business Insurance Readers Choice Awards Consider the environment before printing this message. This transmission is intended exclusively for the individual or entity to which it is addressed. This communication may contain information that is confidential, proprietary, privileged or otherwise exempt from disclosure. If you are not the named addressee, you are NOT authorized to read, print, retain, copy or disseminate this communication, its attachments or any part of them. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this communication from all computers. This communication does not form any contractual obligation on behalf of the sender, the sender's employer, or the employer's parent company, affiliates or subsidiaries. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.4 to 1.7 upgrade differences question
On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:13:16 -0400, Daniel McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since we're talking 1.4 to 1.7 will IBM do that? Just curious. Hmmm.. It appears that panel ISRUAIES is being used instead of ISRUAIP for non-sms flat files. I've confirmed the same behavior on z/OS 1.8 and z/OS 1.9. I have a 1.6 system left and it looks correct. This should be APAR-able. Open a PMR with IBM ISPF support. Assuming it is not intentional for some reason (panel ISRUAIP still exists in hlq.SISPPENU) they should if the customer pushes for it. z/OS 1.7 doesn't hit EOS (end of service) until September 2008. But there could be a reason that IBM decided they always should use panel ISRUAIES. I just can't imagine what that reason could be. Mark -- Mark Zelden Sr. Software and Systems Architect - z/OS Team Lead Zurich North America / Farmers Insurance Group - ZFUS G-ITO mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] z/OS Systems Programming expert at http://expertanswercenter.techtarget.com/ Mark's MVS Utilities: http://home.flash.net/~mzelden/mvsutil.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: z/OS 1.4 to 1.7 upgrade differences question
Mark, I'll open a PMR on 1.7. I just wanted to know if it was a documented change that I had somehow missed before opening a PMR. Thanks. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Zelden Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 2:23 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: z/OS 1.4 to 1.7 upgrade differences question On Wed, 26 Mar 2008 15:13:16 -0400, Daniel McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since we're talking 1.4 to 1.7 will IBM do that? Just curious. Hmmm.. It appears that panel ISRUAIES is being used instead of ISRUAIP for non-sms flat files. I've confirmed the same behavior on z/OS 1.8 and z/OS 1.9. I have a 1.6 system left and it looks correct. This should be APAR-able. Open a PMR with IBM ISPF support. Assuming it is not intentional for some reason (panel ISRUAIP still exists in hlq.SISPPENU) they should if the customer pushes for it. z/OS 1.7 doesn't hit EOS (end of service) until September 2008. But there could be a reason that IBM decided they always should use panel ISRUAIES. I just can't imagine what that reason could be. Mark -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
