Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog
This thread has interested me. The question whether to retire or not is a deeply personal one that everyone must decide individually when and if it arises. For me it has not. My wife Kate and I---she is a novelist--have of course slowed down. We take longer and more frequent holidays than we once did, but we plan to go right on working while we can. Why? Well, the rationale for our decision was set out long ago in the King James version of the verse from Ecclesiastes, which is at once biblical and profoundly secular, as well as it can be in English: Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog
Great quote! Great sentiment. Thanks, Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of John Gilmore Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 5:49 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog This thread has interested me. The question whether to retire or not is a deeply personal one that everyone must decide individually when and if it arises. For me it has not. My wife Kate and I---she is a novelist--have of course slowed down. We take longer and more frequent holidays than we once did, but we plan to go right on working while we can. Why? Well, the rationale for our decision was set out long ago in the King James version of the verse from Ecclesiastes, which is at once biblical and profoundly secular, as well as it can be in English: Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog
John, Same here John. I have two daughters in college, so I have to work since I haven't won the lottery. Plus work is has purpose for one as one ages . I know I am younger than you Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 3, 2013, at 8:49 AM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote: This thread has interested me. The question whether to retire or not is a deeply personal one that everyone must decide individually when and if it arises. For me it has not. My wife Kate and I---she is a novelist--have of course slowed down. We take longer and more frequent holidays than we once did, but we plan to go right on working while we can. Why? Well, the rationale for our decision was set out long ago in the King James version of the verse from Ecclesiastes, which is at once biblical and profoundly secular, as well as it can be in English: Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog
In Canada it has even become optional to retire. You are no longer forced to give all up at 65. Mind you it has become tougher on the younger (in any profession) since they can't advance while we old farts clog the pipeline. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -Original Message- From: Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com Sender: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 16:20:17 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog John, Same here John. I have two daughters in college, so I have to work since I haven't won the lottery. Plus work is has purpose for one as one ages . I know I am younger than you Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 3, 2013, at 8:49 AM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote: This thread has interested me. The question whether to retire or not is a deeply personal one that everyone must decide individually when and if it arises. For me it has not. My wife Kate and I---she is a novelist--have of course slowed down. We take longer and more frequent holidays than we once did, but we plan to go right on working while we can. Why? Well, the rationale for our decision was set out long ago in the King James version of the verse from Ecclesiastes, which is at once biblical and profoundly secular, as well as it can be in English: Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog
Ted, Do you have an equivalent of our Social Security ? Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 3, 2013, at 4:26 PM, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca wrote: In Canada it has even become optional to retire. You are no longer forced to give all up at 65. Mind you it has become tougher on the younger (in any profession) since they can't advance while we old farts clog the pipeline. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -Original Message- From: Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com Sender: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 16:20:17 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog John, Same here John. I have two daughters in college, so I have to work since I haven't won the lottery. Plus work is has purpose for one as one ages . I know I am younger than you Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 3, 2013, at 8:49 AM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote: This thread has interested me. The question whether to retire or not is a deeply personal one that everyone must decide individually when and if it arises. For me it has not. My wife Kate and I---she is a novelist--have of course slowed down. We take longer and more frequent holidays than we once did, but we plan to go right on working while we can. Why? Well, the rationale for our decision was set out long ago in the King James version of the verse from Ecclesiastes, which is at once biblical and profoundly secular, as well as it can be in English: Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog
Yes. And, you're eligible at 65, even if you're still working. One of our Prime Ministers (Jean Chretien) started collecting while he was still in office. He made around $185,000/annum and collected about a grand a month at the same time. It's called 'universal'. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -Original Message- From: Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com Sender: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 16:29:22 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog Ted, Do you have an equivalent of our Social Security ? Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 3, 2013, at 4:26 PM, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca wrote: In Canada it has even become optional to retire. You are no longer forced to give all up at 65. Mind you it has become tougher on the younger (in any profession) since they can't advance while we old farts clog the pipeline. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -Original Message- From: Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com Sender: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 16:20:17 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog John, Same here John. I have two daughters in college, so I have to work since I haven't won the lottery. Plus work is has purpose for one as one ages . I know I am younger than you Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 3, 2013, at 8:49 AM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote: This thread has interested me. The question whether to retire or not is a deeply personal one that everyone must decide individually when and if it arises. For me it has not. My wife Kate and I---she is a novelist--have of course slowed down. We take longer and more frequent holidays than we once did, but we plan to go right on working while we can. Why? Well, the rationale for our decision was set out long ago in the King James version of the verse from Ecclesiastes, which is at once biblical and profoundly secular, as well as it can be in English: Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog
Thats great at least there is something. Here they are pushing the retirement age to 70. That should be interesting. I know bunch of us, I am 62 that are working...my gf is 68 and working Scott J Ford Software Engineer http://www.identityforge.com/ From: Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2013 4:34 PM Subject: Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog Yes. And, you're eligible at 65, even if you're still working. One of our Prime Ministers (Jean Chretien) started collecting while he was still in office. He made around $185,000/annum and collected about a grand a month at the same time. It's called 'universal'. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -Original Message- From: Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com Sender: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 16:29:22 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog Ted, Do you have an equivalent of our Social Security ? Scott ford http://www.identityforge.com/ Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 3, 2013, at 4:26 PM, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca wrote: In Canada it has even become optional to retire. You are no longer forced to give all up at 65. Mind you it has become tougher on the younger (in any profession) since they can't advance while we old farts clog the pipeline. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -Original Message- From: Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com Sender: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 16:20:17 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog John, Same here John. I have two daughters in college, so I have to work since I haven't won the lottery. Plus work is has purpose for one as one ages . I know I am younger than you Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 3, 2013, at 8:49 AM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote: This thread has interested me. The question whether to retire or not is a deeply personal one that everyone must decide individually when and if it arises. For me it has not. My wife Kate and I---she is a novelist--have of course slowed down. We take longer and more frequent holidays than we once did, but we plan to go right on working while we can. Why? Well, the rationale for our decision was set out long ago in the King James version of the verse from Ecclesiastes, which is at once biblical and profoundly secular, as well as it can be in English: Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog
They just changed the age of eligibility here to 67. I'm 56 this year and still qualified at 65. My sister is 11 months younger and missed. Unfortunately, I'm unemployed at the moment (prospects are dim), and retirement is not even on the horizon. Family Responsibility, separation, kids, etc.. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -Original Message- From: Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com Sender: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 14:53:49 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog Thats great at least there is something. Here they are pushing the retirement age to 70. That should be interesting. I know bunch of us, I am 62 that are working...my gf is 68 and working Scott J Ford Software Engineer http://www.identityforge.com/ From: Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Sunday, February 3, 2013 4:34 PM Subject: Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog Yes. And, you're eligible at 65, even if you're still working. One of our Prime Ministers (Jean Chretien) started collecting while he was still in office. He made around $185,000/annum and collected about a grand a month at the same time. It's called 'universal'. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -Original Message- From: Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com Sender: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 16:29:22 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog Ted, Do you have an equivalent of our Social Security ? Scott ford http://www.identityforge.com/ Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 3, 2013, at 4:26 PM, Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca wrote: In Canada it has even become optional to retire. You are no longer forced to give all up at 65. Mind you it has become tougher on the younger (in any profession) since they can't advance while we old farts clog the pipeline. - Ted MacNEIL eamacn...@yahoo.ca Twitter: @TedMacNEIL -Original Message- From: Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com Sender: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2013 16:20:17 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Reply-To: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: My Last Days as a Sysprog John, Same here John. I have two daughters in college, so I have to work since I haven't won the lottery. Plus work is has purpose for one as one ages . I know I am younger than you Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 3, 2013, at 8:49 AM, John Gilmore jwgli...@gmail.com wrote: This thread has interested me. The question whether to retire or not is a deeply personal one that everyone must decide individually when and if it arises. For me it has not. My wife Kate and I---she is a novelist--have of course slowed down. We take longer and more frequent holidays than we once did, but we plan to go right on working while we can. Why? Well, the rationale for our decision was set out long ago in the King James version of the verse from Ecclesiastes, which is at once biblical and profoundly secular, as well as it can be in English: Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive
Has IBM forgotten how to trademark?
The new Blackberry is apparently called the Z10. I'm surprised -- while obviously nobody sane is going to confuse it with a real z10, they're both computing devices, so I'm surprised that this isn't a trademark infringement. And of course it's probably more powerful than a 3090...certainly has more memory! -- zMan -- I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Has IBM forgotten how to trademark?
On 3 February 2013 20:42, zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com wrote: The new Blackberry is apparently called the Z10. I'm surprised -- while obviously nobody sane is going to confuse it with a real z10, they're both computing devices, so I'm surprised that this isn't a trademark infringement. And of course it's probably more powerful than a 3090...certainly has more memory! I don't know off the top of my head where to search for US registered trademarks, but the Canadian registration for Z10 looks like this: WARES: (1) computer hardware; computer software for controlling the operation of or execution of programs and networks for server systems and workstations; and instruction manual sold as a unit therewith; printed matter, namely, instruction manuals for computer hardware and computer software for server systems and workstations SERVICES: (1) installation and maintenance of computer hardware; technical support services, namely, troubleshooting of computer hardware and computer software problems via telephone, e-mail, and in person; design, installation, interconnection, testing and maintenance of computer software for use in network computing; design, interconnection and testing of computer hardware for use in network computing CLAIMS: Priority Filing Date: November 28, 2007, Country: UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, Application No: 77/338496 in association with the same kind of wares and in association with the same kind of services. Declaration of Use filed May 26, 2009. So perhaps RIM (uh, the newly renamed Blackberry) gets off because the WARES are specifically server systems and workstations. I find it interesting that RIM has only 126 hits in the (Canadian) trademark database, and many of those are abandoned. (Did any ever see a Blackberry Budgie...?) IBM (actually International Business Machines) has almost 1200 hits, and doubtless many more in other countries. Those containing the letter Z are: Trademarks: ZPDT, Formalized, 1606983 Trademarks: ZPDT, Abandoned - Section 40(3), 1457751 Trademarks: Z/ARCHITECTURE, Registered, 1081337, TMA626616 Trademarks: Z/VM, Registered, 1081333, TMA569513 Trademarks: Z9, Registered, 1278666, TMA684003 Trademarks: ZENTERPRISE, Advertised, 1491205 Trademarks: SYSTEM Z10, Registered, 1375594, TMA741679 Trademarks: SYSTEM Z, Registered, 1292849, TMA704078 Trademarks: ZSERIES, Registered, 1081332, TMA575752 Trademarks: z/VSE, Registered, 1198808, TMA677185 Of course there are doubtless many subtleties involved in trademarks and trademark searches that I am unfamiliar with, so I will have missed all sorts of things and their significance. Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Has IBM forgotten how to trademark?
zMan, you to love the parallel in names Scott ford www.identityforge.com Tell me and I'll forget; show me and I may remember; involve me and I'll understand. - Chinese Proverb On Feb 3, 2013, at 8:42 PM, zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com wrote: The new Blackberry is apparently called the Z10. I'm surprised -- while obviously nobody sane is going to confuse it with a real z10, they're both computing devices, so I'm surprised that this isn't a trademark infringement. And of course it's probably more powerful than a 3090...certainly has more memory! -- zMan -- I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Has IBM forgotten how to trademark?
On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net wrote: I don't know off the top of my head where to search for US registered trademarks, but the Canadian registration for Z10 looks like this: WARES: (1) computer hardware; computer software for controlling the operation of or execution of programs and networks for server systems and workstations; and instruction manual sold as a unit therewith; printed matter, namely, instruction manuals for computer hardware and computer software for server systems and workstations SERVICES: (1) installation and maintenance of computer hardware; technical support services, namely, troubleshooting of computer hardware and computer software problems via telephone, e-mail, and in person; design, installation, interconnection, testing and maintenance of computer software for use in network computing; design, interconnection and testing of computer hardware for use in network computing CLAIMS: Priority Filing Date: November 28, 2007, Country: UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, Application No: 77/338496 in association with the same kind of wares and in association with the same kind of services. Declaration of Use filed May 26, 2009. So perhaps RIM (uh, the newly renamed Blackberry) gets off because the WARES are specifically server systems and workstations. I find it interesting that RIM has only 126 hits in the (Canadian) trademark database, and many of those are abandoned. (Did any ever see a Blackberry Budgie...?) IBM (actually International Business Machines) has almost 1200 hits, and doubtless many more in other countries. Those containing the letter Z are: Trademarks: ZPDT, Formalized, 1606983 Trademarks: ZPDT, Abandoned - Section 40(3), 1457751 Trademarks: Z/ARCHITECTURE, Registered, 1081337, TMA626616 Trademarks: Z/VM, Registered, 1081333, TMA569513 Trademarks: Z9, Registered, 1278666, TMA684003 Trademarks: ZENTERPRISE, Advertised, 1491205 Trademarks: SYSTEM Z10, Registered, 1375594, TMA741679 Trademarks: SYSTEM Z, Registered, 1292849, TMA704078 Trademarks: ZSERIES, Registered, 1081332, TMA575752 Trademarks: z/VSE, Registered, 1198808, TMA677185 Of course there are doubtless many subtleties involved in trademarks and trademark searches that I am unfamiliar with, so I will have missed all sorts of things and their significance. VERY interesting, thanks. Among other details, it makes it clear that case is irrelevant in trademarks. -- zMan -- I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Has IBM forgotten how to trademark?
Looks like only system z10 http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=docstate=4006:d8ylmt.2.3 Not sure if that link will work ; if not do your own search. Charles Composed on a mobile: please excuse my brevity zMan zedgarhoo...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 3, 2013 at 9:35 PM, Tony Harminc t...@harminc.net wrote: I don't know off the top of my head where to search for US registered trademarks, but the Canadian registration for Z10 looks like this: WARES: (1) computer hardware; computer software for controlling the operation of or execution of programs and networks for server systems and workstations; and instruction manual sold as a unit therewith; printed matter, namely, instruction manuals for computer hardware and computer software for server systems and workstations SERVICES: (1) installation and maintenance of computer hardware; technical support services, namely, troubleshooting of computer hardware and computer software problems via telephone, e-mail, and in person; design, installation, interconnection, testing and maintenance of computer software for use in network computing; design, interconnection and testing of computer hardware for use in network computing CLAIMS: Priority Filing Date: November 28, 2007, Country: UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, Application No: 77/338496 in association with the same kind of wares and in association with the same kind of services. Declaration of Use filed May 26, 2009. So perhaps RIM (uh, the newly renamed Blackberry) gets off because the WARES are specifically server systems and workstations. I find it interesting that RIM has only 126 hits in the (Canadian) trademark database, and many of those are abandoned. (Did any ever see a Blackberry Budgie...?) IBM (actually International Business Machines) has almost 1200 hits, and doubtless many more in other countries. Those containing the letter Z are: Trademarks: ZPDT, Formalized, 1606983 Trademarks: ZPDT, Abandoned - Section 40(3), 1457751 Trademarks: Z/ARCHITECTURE, Registered, 1081337, TMA626616 Trademarks: Z/VM, Registered, 1081333, TMA569513 Trademarks: Z9, Registered, 1278666, TMA684003 Trademarks: ZENTERPRISE, Advertised, 1491205 Trademarks: SYSTEM Z10, Registered, 1375594, TMA741679 Trademarks: SYSTEM Z, Registered, 1292849, TMA704078 Trademarks: ZSERIES, Registered, 1081332, TMA575752 Trademarks: z/VSE, Registered, 1198808, TMA677185 Of course there are doubtless many subtleties involved in trademarks and trademark searches that I am unfamiliar with, so I will have missed all sorts of things and their significance. VERY interesting, thanks. Among other details, it makes it clear that case is irrelevant in trademarks. -- zMan -- I've got a mainframe and I'm not afraid to use it -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
