Re: In-rack FICON DASD

2019-04-17 Thread Timothy Sipples
Radoslaw Skorupka wrote:
>I don't know about any candidates to this category, but when we add HDS,
>we have all current vendors of mainframe disks.

No, that's not correct. Infinidat also markets FICON-attached ECKD storage
(evidently not in 16U or smaller physical sizes), and there might be
others.


Timothy Sipples
IT Architect Executive, Industry Solutions, IBM Z & LinuxONE


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Re: Debug tool in background batch job

2019-04-17 Thread Bruce Hewson
Hello Peter,

I cannot find program ADSTAT anywhere on my system.

And I do have the IBM DEBUG products installed.

On Thu, 18 Apr 2019 08:37:10 +0800, Peter Van Dyke  wrote:

>Hi,
>
>This can be done with Debug Tool. The following JCL is for a batch job that
>runs a COBOL program and has Debug Tool write a trace of all statements and
>labels executed. It also shows the values of all referenced variables. The
>trace is written to the INSPLOG DD.
>
>//VANDYKET JOB (ACCTG),'DT JOB',REGION=0M,CLASS=A,
>//  MSGCLASS=X,NOTIFY=,MSGLEVEL=(1,1)
>//*
>//RUNSAM1  EXEC PGM=ADSTAT,REGION=4M,
>//PARM='/TEST(,DTCMD,,)'


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Re: TapeTools VEHSYNC job

2019-04-17 Thread Gadi Ben-Avi
Hi,
I looked all over, but couldn't find the address.
Do you know what it is?

Gadi

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Lizette Koehler
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 5:14 PM
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Subject: Re: TapeTools VEHSYNC job

If you send an email to the team that supports this, they are very helpful.

Lizette


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> Behalf Of Gadi Ben-Avi
> Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 4:56 AM
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> Subject: TapeTools VEHSYNC job
> 
> Hi,
> The VEHSYNC job in the tapetools package has DD cards for various Tape 
> Management Systems.
> We use Control-M/Tape from BMC formerly known as Control-T.
> There are two DD's the look like they belong to Control-T, CNTLT60 and 
> CNTLT61.
> 
> Does anyone know what these DD's should point to?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Gadi
> 
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Re: HSM dummy question ML1

2019-04-17 Thread Jake Anderson
Thanks

Just curious, on every upgrade does anyone runs FVP(functional verification
program) of HSM ? Just to be sure HSM functions as expected ?

I was going through the FVP and has lot of great information .

On Wed, 17 Apr, 2019, 11:07 AM Elardus Engelbrecht, <
elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za> wrote:

> Jake Anderson wrote:
>
> >When we say ML1 I understand it's a dasd ?
>
> Usually yes, but you as HSM admin has the final say.
>
>
> >So if it a HSM managed where can I list it or do we define a set of pool ?
>
> Look in your ARCCMDxx parmlib member for this statement like this example.
>
> ADDVOL ?? UNIT(3390) MIGRATION(ML1 ...
>
> There are some HSENDCMD QUERY commands and perhaps ISMF which can help you.
>
> Groete / Greetings
> Elardus Engelbrecht (ex-HSM/SMS Storage admin... ;-D )
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Re: Debug tool in background batch job

2019-04-17 Thread Peter Van Dyke
Hi,

This can be done with Debug Tool. The following JCL is for a batch job that
runs a COBOL program and has Debug Tool write a trace of all statements and
labels executed. It also shows the values of all referenced variables. The
trace is written to the INSPLOG DD.

//VANDYKET JOB (ACCTG),'DT JOB',REGION=0M,CLASS=A,
//  MSGCLASS=X,NOTIFY=,MSGLEVEL=(1,1)
//*
//RUNSAM1  EXEC PGM=ADSTAT,REGION=4M,
//PARM='/TEST(,DTCMD,,)'
//STEPLIB  DD DSN=,DISP=SHR
//*DD DSN=DEBUG.V10R1.SEQAMOD,DISP=SHR
//INSPLOG  DD SYSOUT=*
//DTCMDDD *
  /*DEBUG TOOL COMMAND FILE   */
  /*TO PRODUCE A FULL STATEMENT TRACE */
  /*  */
 CLEAR AT;
 AT * BEGIN;
   LIST LINE %LINE;
   GO;
 END;
 AT LABEL * BEGIN;
   LIST LINE %LINE;
   GO;
 END;
 /*  STEP 2; */
 SET LOG KEEP 3000;
 SET AUTO ON LOG;
 GO;
//*
//SYSPRINT DD SYSOUT=*
//SYSOUT   DD SYSOUT=*
//*

Regards,
Peter Van Dyke

On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 at 23:50, Joseph Reichman  wrote:

> Hi
>
> Would anyone know if I could run debug tool
> As a batch job producing an instruction trace of a program thanks
>
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Re: CSSMTP

2019-04-17 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 13:06:20 -0400, Roberto Halais wrote:

>I solved the brackets issue by specifying:
>TRANSLATE Ibm-037  in the config parms.
> 
Suppose you have one user partisan to IBM-037, and another IBM-1047.
Can you satisfy both?

>On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 9:05 AM Allan Staller wrote:
>
>> Almost none. The only thing ISTR is CSSMTP is not very happy with square
>> brackets "[" and "]".
>>
And what about attachments?  Suppose in the user's z/FS directory there is the 
file
(attached), properly tagged IBM-1208.  What happens?  What about an analogous
file properly tagged IBM-1154?  Why should things so easy on my desktop be so
hard on a computer thousands of times more expensive?

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Re: CSSMTP

2019-04-17 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 13:23:30 +, Seymour J Metz  wrote:

>What was in the charset on the content-type header field?
>
I know VM's SMTP performs ASCII<->EBCDIC conversion without adjusting
charset.  I would hardly be surprised if other mainframe mailers misbehave
likewise.

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Re: z?OSMF

2019-04-17 Thread Steve Beaver
Now - they are not all correct but they are a reasonable start

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Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 2:14 PM
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Subject: Re: z?OSMF

I just found the jobs in CAKOJCL0.   Do a srchfor OSMF on the library.   Looks 
like maybe CA has made some inprovements.   Will have to take a closer look at 
the various members.

-Original Message-
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I think my teammate went to the CA Site, I don't expect TSS rules for usage to 
be in SMP/E format ? 
I"ll check with him, I don't recall him saying they were. 


Carmen Vitullo 

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From: "Steve Beaver" 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 1:08:58 PM
Subject: Re: z?OSMF 

If you google z/osmf top secret or racf or acf2 it will bring you to a CA 
webpage. And the jobs are in a SMP/e library 

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Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 12:58 PM
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Subject: Re: z?OSMF 

I am in the same boat here - clear as mud 



Carmen Vitullo 

- Original Message - 

From: "David Jousma" <01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 12:23:46 PM
Subject: Re: z?OSMF 

I found, and downloaded the cookbook too. Again, fine for setting up the STC 
security, but trying to figure out some level of role based functionality, and 
who should see what, is the hard part. 

-Original Message-
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Carmen Vitullo
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 9:13 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: z?OSMF 

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TSS here also, and luckily my TSS sysprog has been able to either find the TSS 
cookbook for z/osmf security setup or has been able to translate RACF to TSS, I 
agree, still a mess to setup correctly. 
still getting issues with some 2.2 security setup due to the security group 
does not understand the required setup and refuses to complete the security 
setup because of these issues. 




Carmen Vitullo 

- Original Message - 

From: "Steve Beaver" 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 8:06:55 AM
Subject: Re: z?OSMF 

The shop where we are installing z/OSMF is CA-TSS also. That makes it a mild 
mess to setup. 

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Jousma, David
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 6:11 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: z?OSMF 

Yea, I should have been a bit clearer. Security setup for the actual STC's is 
not unreasonable. It's trying to determine the correct access for various 
levels of security for different role types (general user, sysprog, sysprog 
admin, etc). The other is that zOSMF requires bits of operating system pieces 
that we hadn’t previously configured (CIM, CEA, etc), that we are still working 
the bugs out of. We are a CA-TSS shop too. 

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of Jim 
Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 6:59 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
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IMHO the security set-up really isn't that bad now. There are multiple SAMPLIB 
jobs for each function/plugin so it's far, far easier than the old shell script 
way. I had the basic security set-up carried out within minutes - the worst bit 
was changing all the SAMPLIB jobs to stick an OWNER on the CONNECT and RDEFINE 
RACF commands :) 


Jim 

On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 10:03:26 +, Jousma, David  wrote: 

>Marshall, That's all we use it for at this point too. IMHO, they have fixed 
>the installation issues, but the security setup payload is so overwhelming 
>that it may never see the light of day here. 
> 
>-Original Message-
>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On 
>Behalf Of Marshall Stone
>Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 3:49 PM
>To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>Subject: Re: z?OSMF
> 
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>I use configuration assistant very often to maintain Policy Agent 
>configs (IPSec TLSv12, IDS, etc)
> 
>Regards,
>Marshall Stone
>-Original Message-
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>Behalf Of Steve Beaver
>Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 3:37 PM
>To: 

Re: z?OSMF

2019-04-17 Thread Jousma, David
I just found the jobs in CAKOJCL0.   Do a srchfor OSMF on the library.   Looks 
like maybe CA has made some inprovements.   Will have to take a closer look at 
the various members.

-Original Message-
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Carmen Vitullo
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 2:37 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: z?OSMF

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I think my teammate went to the CA Site, I don't expect TSS rules for usage to 
be in SMP/E format ? 
I"ll check with him, I don't recall him saying they were. 


Carmen Vitullo 

- Original Message -

From: "Steve Beaver" 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 1:08:58 PM
Subject: Re: z?OSMF 

If you google z/osmf top secret or racf or acf2 it will bring you to a CA 
webpage. And the jobs are in a SMP/e library 

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Carmen Vitullo
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 12:58 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: z?OSMF 

I am in the same boat here - clear as mud 



Carmen Vitullo 

- Original Message - 

From: "David Jousma" <01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 12:23:46 PM
Subject: Re: z?OSMF 

I found, and downloaded the cookbook too. Again, fine for setting up the STC 
security, but trying to figure out some level of role based functionality, and 
who should see what, is the hard part. 

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Carmen Vitullo
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 9:13 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: z?OSMF 

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TSS here also, and luckily my TSS sysprog has been able to either find the TSS 
cookbook for z/osmf security setup or has been able to translate RACF to TSS, I 
agree, still a mess to setup correctly. 
still getting issues with some 2.2 security setup due to the security group 
does not understand the required setup and refuses to complete the security 
setup because of these issues. 




Carmen Vitullo 

- Original Message - 

From: "Steve Beaver" 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 8:06:55 AM
Subject: Re: z?OSMF 

The shop where we are installing z/OSMF is CA-TSS also. That makes it a mild 
mess to setup. 

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Jousma, David
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 6:11 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: z?OSMF 

Yea, I should have been a bit clearer. Security setup for the actual STC's is 
not unreasonable. It's trying to determine the correct access for various 
levels of security for different role types (general user, sysprog, sysprog 
admin, etc). The other is that zOSMF requires bits of operating system pieces 
that we hadn’t previously configured (CIM, CEA, etc), that we are still working 
the bugs out of. We are a CA-TSS shop too. 

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of Jim 
Taylor
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 6:59 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: z?OSMF 

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IMHO the security set-up really isn't that bad now. There are multiple SAMPLIB 
jobs for each function/plugin so it's far, far easier than the old shell script 
way. I had the basic security set-up carried out within minutes - the worst bit 
was changing all the SAMPLIB jobs to stick an OWNER on the CONNECT and RDEFINE 
RACF commands :) 


Jim 

On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 10:03:26 +, Jousma, David  wrote: 

>Marshall, That's all we use it for at this point too. IMHO, they have fixed 
>the installation issues, but the security setup payload is so overwhelming 
>that it may never see the light of day here. 
> 
>-Original Message-
>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On 
>Behalf Of Marshall Stone
>Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 3:49 PM
>To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>Subject: Re: z?OSMF
> 
>**CAUTION EXTERNAL EMAIL**
> 
>**DO NOT open attachments or click on links from unknown senders or 
>unexpected emails**
> 
>I use configuration assistant very often to maintain Policy Agent 
>configs (IPSec TLSv12, IDS, etc)
> 
>Regards,
>Marshall Stone
>-Original Message-
>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On 
>Behalf Of Steve Beaver
>Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 3:37 PM
>To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>Subject: z?OSMF
> 
>z/OSMF to say it mildly is a lot to configure. 
> 
> 
> 
>Is anyone getting any use of z/OSMF other than a lot of work
> 
> 
> 
>TIA
> 
> 
>Steve
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Incoming | Computerworld SHARK TANK

2019-04-17 Thread Seymour J Metz
Well, "amazing" is a signed variable. What do you do when IBM tells you that a 
machine check after pressing RESTART is a software error? What do you do when 
you put the 168 in Single Step mode, press RESTART and again get a machine 
check, without affecting the "software error" fairy tale? Amazing, but not in a 
good way.


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of Tom 
Brennan 
Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2019 2:47:38 PM
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Subject: Re: Incoming | Computerworld SHARK TANK

I didn't notice any unusual sounds even when standing over the unit.  I
think at the time there was nothing but res packs left on the 3330's, a
holdover which allowed us to cheaply have multiple OS level backups.
There was a project going on to move res packs to 3380's which had just
arrived, so it could be that particular 3330 was never fixed.

IBM was often amazing with repairs.  I remember one morning my 3278 tube
died.  I went to lunch and it was fixed by the time I got back.

On 4/14/2019 11:20 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> What kind of disk dies silently? When our fixed-head disk crashed after 
> multiple power failures it screamed like all the banshees in Hell, and the 
> was no doubt about what was happening. IBM said they could have it back up in 
> two weeks, and I thought they were blowing smokes. They flew in a special 
> team that did nothing but repair 2305 drives
>
> Part of the procedure after repair is to hook up measurement equipment and 
> spin for 24 hours, install the heads and spin for another 24 hours. If the 
> instrument detects anything out of balance you fix it and start the test from 
> the beginning, not from where you left off. We had a power while they were 
> testing, and they still turned over the working drive within the 2 weeks they 
> had promised.
>
>   I don't impress easily, but they impressed me.
>
>
>
> --
> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>
> 
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
> Tom Brennan 
> Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2019 1:27 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Incoming | Computerworld SHARK TANK
>
> Interesting story!  The only time I've actually seen a head crash was on
> an old 3330 where I had just popped in a RES pack.  I walked over to the
> hardware console to IPL - the old 3270 where you had to type L1/A2 or
> whatever those commands were.  The hardware console told me I had an I/O
> error, and there was a red light on the device.  I pushed the button to
> open the 3330 drawer and there were bits of disk head all over the inside.
>
> On 4/13/2019 9:16 AM, Gabe Goldberg wrote:
>> Many years ago I had friends in old DEC building in Maynard, MA. They
>> had story of periodic head crashes on monster disk drives with
>> vertically spinning platters. They realized cause: trucks backing into
>> loading dock hitting and shaking the building -- since platters were
>> oriented perpendicular to truck motion. Solution: turn drives 90 degrees
>> to align platters with truck motion. At worst, I/O errors but no head
>> crashes (I guess heads flew much higher than on today's devices). I'll
>> ask veterans I know of that time/place to confirm...
>>
>> ITschak Mugzach said:
>>
>> That reminds me another story. ten years ago a client of us installed a new
>> hitachi disk array. The technician installed and configured the array, but
>> for some reasons, it was not immediately used by the client. few days
>> later, the client tried to connect to the array and it was down. it was
>> repeatedly don everyday afterwards. investigation showed that the the
>> people who cleans the computer room unplugged the power for the vacuum
>> cleaner... The array was using a standard power plug.
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Re: z?OSMF

2019-04-17 Thread Carmen Vitullo
I think my teammate went to the CA Site, I don't expect TSS rules for usage to 
be in SMP/E format ? 
I"ll check with him, I don't recall him saying they were. 


Carmen Vitullo 

- Original Message -

From: "Steve Beaver"  
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 1:08:58 PM 
Subject: Re: z?OSMF 

If you google z/osmf top secret or racf or acf2 it will bring you to a CA 
webpage. And the jobs are in a SMP/e library 

-Original Message- 
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf 
Of Carmen Vitullo 
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 12:58 PM 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Subject: Re: z?OSMF 

I am in the same boat here - clear as mud 



Carmen Vitullo 

- Original Message - 

From: "David Jousma" <01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 12:23:46 PM 
Subject: Re: z?OSMF 

I found, and downloaded the cookbook too. Again, fine for setting up the STC 
security, but trying to figure out some level of role based functionality, and 
who should see what, is the hard part. 

-Original Message- 
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Carmen Vitullo 
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 9:13 AM 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Subject: Re: z?OSMF 

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TSS here also, and luckily my TSS sysprog has been able to either find the TSS 
cookbook for z/osmf security setup or has been able to translate RACF to TSS, I 
agree, still a mess to setup correctly. 
still getting issues with some 2.2 security setup due to the security group 
does not understand the required setup and refuses to complete the security 
setup because of these issues. 




Carmen Vitullo 

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From: "Steve Beaver"  
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 8:06:55 AM 
Subject: Re: z?OSMF 

The shop where we are installing z/OSMF is CA-TSS also. That makes it a mild 
mess to setup. 

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Of Jousma, David 
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 6:11 AM 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Subject: Re: z?OSMF 

Yea, I should have been a bit clearer. Security setup for the actual STC's is 
not unreasonable. It's trying to determine the correct access for various 
levels of security for different role types (general user, sysprog, sysprog 
admin, etc). The other is that zOSMF requires bits of operating system pieces 
that we hadn’t previously configured (CIM, CEA, etc), that we are still working 
the bugs out of. We are a CA-TSS shop too. 

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IMHO the security set-up really isn't that bad now. There are multiple SAMPLIB 
jobs for each function/plugin so it's far, far easier than the old shell script 
way. I had the basic security set-up carried out within minutes - the worst bit 
was changing all the SAMPLIB jobs to stick an OWNER on the CONNECT and RDEFINE 
RACF commands :) 


Jim 

On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 10:03:26 +, Jousma, David  wrote: 

>Marshall, That's all we use it for at this point too. IMHO, they have fixed 
>the installation issues, but the security setup payload is so overwhelming 
>that it may never see the light of day here. 
> 
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>z/OSMF to say it mildly is a lot to configure. 
> 
> 
> 
>Is anyone getting any use of z/OSMF other than a lot of work 
> 
> 
> 
>TIA 
> 
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Re: z?OSMF

2019-04-17 Thread Steve Beaver
If you google z/osmf top secret or racf or acf2 it will bring you to a CA 
webpage.  And the jobs are in a SMP/e library

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I am in the same boat here - clear as mud 



Carmen Vitullo 

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Subject: Re: z?OSMF 

I found, and downloaded the cookbook too. Again, fine for setting up the STC 
security, but trying to figure out some level of role based functionality, and 
who should see what, is the hard part. 

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TSS here also, and luckily my TSS sysprog has been able to either find the TSS 
cookbook for z/osmf security setup or has been able to translate RACF to TSS, I 
agree, still a mess to setup correctly. 
still getting issues with some 2.2 security setup due to the security group 
does not understand the required setup and refuses to complete the security 
setup because of these issues. 




Carmen Vitullo 

- Original Message - 

From: "Steve Beaver"  
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 8:06:55 AM 
Subject: Re: z?OSMF 

The shop where we are installing z/OSMF is CA-TSS also. That makes it a mild 
mess to setup. 

-Original Message- 
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Of Jousma, David 
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 6:11 AM 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Subject: Re: z?OSMF 

Yea, I should have been a bit clearer. Security setup for the actual STC's is 
not unreasonable. It's trying to determine the correct access for various 
levels of security for different role types (general user, sysprog, sysprog 
admin, etc). The other is that zOSMF requires bits of operating system pieces 
that we hadn’t previously configured (CIM, CEA, etc), that we are still working 
the bugs out of. We are a CA-TSS shop too. 

-Original Message- 
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IMHO the security set-up really isn't that bad now. There are multiple SAMPLIB 
jobs for each function/plugin so it's far, far easier than the old shell script 
way. I had the basic security set-up carried out within minutes - the worst bit 
was changing all the SAMPLIB jobs to stick an OWNER on the CONNECT and RDEFINE 
RACF commands :) 


Jim 

On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 10:03:26 +, Jousma, David  wrote: 

>Marshall, That's all we use it for at this point too. IMHO, they have fixed 
>the installation issues, but the security setup payload is so overwhelming 
>that it may never see the light of day here. 
> 
>-Original Message- 
>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On 
>Behalf Of Marshall Stone 
>Sent: Tuesday, April 16, 2019 3:49 PM 
>To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
>Subject: Re: z?OSMF 
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>Regards, 
>Marshall Stone 
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>To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
>Subject: z?OSMF 
> 
>z/OSMF to say it mildly is a lot to configure. 
> 
> 
> 
>Is anyone getting any use of z/OSMF other than a lot of work 
> 
> 
> 
>TIA 
> 
> 
>Steve 
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Re: TapeTools VEHSYNC job

2019-04-17 Thread Gadi Ben-Avi
Do I just point it to the MDB?

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Oren, Yifat
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 4:17 PM
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Subject: Re: TapeTools VEHSYNC job

Hi Gadi,

Long time no speak 
If we're not mistaken, you should use CNTLT60 for Control-T V6  MDB or CNTLT61 
for V6.1 (and higher).
There was a change in the MDB format in 6.1.

HTH,
Yifat

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Subject: [EXTERNAL] TapeTools VEHSYNC job

Hi,
The VEHSYNC job in the tapetools package has DD cards for various Tape 
Management Systems.
We use Control-M/Tape from BMC formerly known as Control-T.
There are two DD's the look like they belong to Control-T, CNTLT60 and CNTLT61.

Does anyone know what these DD's should point to?

Thanks

Gadi


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Re: what is racinit error 32?

2019-04-17 Thread ITschak Mugzach
found it. thanks all. TSOPROC called TSOLPROC, tss ADD command accepts both
but only TSOLPROC work.

ITschak

On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 8:56 PM Cieri, Anthony  wrote:

>
> If the user is NOT defined in UADS then don't you need to define a
> TSO segment in TSS???
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> that's true. racf is not active, it is a tss lpar. however other users can
> login. it must be a tso issue as job submition under this user work well.
> The user is NOT defined to UADS. I know that if I will define the user to
> UADS it will work, but am trying to understand what is missing.
>
> ITschak
>
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 8:45 PM Lou Losee  wrote:
>
> > Might the code be displayed in decimal in which case it is equivalent to
> > x'20' which then indicates RACF is not active.
> >
> > Lou
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> >
> > On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 12:08 PM ITschak Mugzach 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I am trying to login to tso and get msg ikj56416i (RACF RACINIT ERROR
> > CODE
> > > 32). however, racinit error code skips 32 (30, 34).
> > >
> > > Any idea?
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Re: what is racinit error 32?

2019-04-17 Thread ITschak Mugzach
The user has facility(tso) and a tso segment with only TSOLSIZE. from some
reason, add(xxx) tsoproc() doesn't show in list.

On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 8:54 PM Mark Jacobs <
0224d287a4b1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> Is there a TSS TSO segment defined for that userid?
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> wrote:
>
> > that's true. racf is not active, it is a tss lpar. however other users
> can
> > login. it must be a tso issue as job submition under this user work well.
> > The user is NOT defined to UADS. I know that if I will define the user to
> > UADS it will work, but am trying to understand what is missing.
> >
> > ITschak
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 8:45 PM Lou Losee llo...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > Might the code be displayed in decimal in which case it is equivalent
> to
> > > x'20' which then indicates RACF is not active.
> > >
> > > Lou
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity
> > >
> > > -   Unknown
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 12:08 PM ITschak Mugzach imugz...@gmail.com
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > I am trying to login to tso and get msg ikj56416i (RACF RACINIT ERROR
> > > > CODE
> > > > 32). however, racinit error code skips 32 (30, 34).
> > > > Any idea?
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Re: z?OSMF

2019-04-17 Thread Carmen Vitullo
I am in the same boat here - clear as mud 



Carmen Vitullo 

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From: "David Jousma" <01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 12:23:46 PM 
Subject: Re: z?OSMF 

I found, and downloaded the cookbook too. Again, fine for setting up the STC 
security, but trying to figure out some level of role based functionality, and 
who should see what, is the hard part. 

-Original Message- 
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To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
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TSS here also, and luckily my TSS sysprog has been able to either find the TSS 
cookbook for z/osmf security setup or has been able to translate RACF to TSS, I 
agree, still a mess to setup correctly. 
still getting issues with some 2.2 security setup due to the security group 
does not understand the required setup and refuses to complete the security 
setup because of these issues. 




Carmen Vitullo 

- Original Message - 

From: "Steve Beaver"  
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 8:06:55 AM 
Subject: Re: z?OSMF 

The shop where we are installing z/OSMF is CA-TSS also. That makes it a mild 
mess to setup. 

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Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 6:11 AM 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Subject: Re: z?OSMF 

Yea, I should have been a bit clearer. Security setup for the actual STC's is 
not unreasonable. It's trying to determine the correct access for various 
levels of security for different role types (general user, sysprog, sysprog 
admin, etc). The other is that zOSMF requires bits of operating system pieces 
that we hadn’t previously configured (CIM, CEA, etc), that we are still working 
the bugs out of. We are a CA-TSS shop too. 

-Original Message- 
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of Jim 
Taylor 
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 6:59 AM 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
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IMHO the security set-up really isn't that bad now. There are multiple SAMPLIB 
jobs for each function/plugin so it's far, far easier than the old shell script 
way. I had the basic security set-up carried out within minutes - the worst bit 
was changing all the SAMPLIB jobs to stick an OWNER on the CONNECT and RDEFINE 
RACF commands :) 


Jim 

On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 10:03:26 +, Jousma, David  wrote: 

>Marshall, That's all we use it for at this point too. IMHO, they have fixed 
>the installation issues, but the security setup payload is so overwhelming 
>that it may never see the light of day here. 
> 
>-Original Message- 
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>Subject: z?OSMF 
> 
>z/OSMF to say it mildly is a lot to configure. 
> 
> 
> 
>Is anyone getting any use of z/OSMF other than a lot of work 
> 
> 
> 
>TIA 
> 
> 
>Steve 
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Re: what is racinit error 32?

2019-04-17 Thread Cieri, Anthony

If the user is NOT defined in UADS then don't you need to define a TSO 
segment in TSS???


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that's true. racf is not active, it is a tss lpar. however other users can
login. it must be a tso issue as job submition under this user work well.
The user is NOT defined to UADS. I know that if I will define the user to
UADS it will work, but am trying to understand what is missing.

ITschak

On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 8:45 PM Lou Losee  wrote:

> Might the code be displayed in decimal in which case it is equivalent to
> x'20' which then indicates RACF is not active.
>
> Lou
> --
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>   - Unknown
>
>
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 12:08 PM ITschak Mugzach 
> wrote:
>
> > I am trying to login to tso and get msg ikj56416i (RACF RACINIT ERROR
> CODE
> > 32). however, racinit error code skips 32 (30, 34).
> >
> > Any idea?
> > ITschak
> >
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Re: what is racinit error 32?

2019-04-17 Thread Mark Jacobs
Is there a TSS TSO segment defined for that userid?

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On Wednesday, April 17, 2019 1:50 PM, ITschak Mugzach  
wrote:

> that's true. racf is not active, it is a tss lpar. however other users can
> login. it must be a tso issue as job submition under this user work well.
> The user is NOT defined to UADS. I know that if I will define the user to
> UADS it will work, but am trying to understand what is missing.
>
> ITschak
>
> On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 8:45 PM Lou Losee llo...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > Might the code be displayed in decimal in which case it is equivalent to
> > x'20' which then indicates RACF is not active.
> >
> > Lou
> >
> > 
> >
> > Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity
> >
> > -   Unknown
> >
> > On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 12:08 PM ITschak Mugzach imugz...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I am trying to login to tso and get msg ikj56416i (RACF RACINIT ERROR
> > > CODE
> > > 32). however, racinit error code skips 32 (30, 34).
> > > Any idea?
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Re: what is racinit error 32?

2019-04-17 Thread ITschak Mugzach
that's true. racf is not active, it is a tss lpar. however other users can
login. it must be a tso issue as job submition under this user work well.
The user is NOT defined to UADS. I know that if I will define the user to
UADS it will work, but am trying to understand what is missing.

ITschak

On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 8:45 PM Lou Losee  wrote:

> Might the code be displayed in decimal in which case it is equivalent to
> x'20' which then indicates RACF is not active.
>
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Re: what is racinit error 32?

2019-04-17 Thread ITschak Mugzach
see the msg. it is during login.

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> The return codes are not described in the msg manual...
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> >  https://www.ibm.com/support/libraryserver/download/ikj2m211.pdf
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> CODE
> > 32). however, racinit error code skips 32 (30, 34).
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Re: what is racinit error 32?

2019-04-17 Thread Lou Losee
Might the code be displayed in decimal in which case it is equivalent to
x'20' which then indicates RACF is not active.

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> I am trying to login to tso and get msg ikj56416i (RACF RACINIT ERROR CODE
> 32). however, racinit error code skips 32 (30, 34).
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Re: what is racinit error 32?

2019-04-17 Thread Steve Beaver
Are you trying to CREATE, CHANGE or DELETE?

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The return codes are not described in the msg manual...

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>  https://www.ibm.com/support/libraryserver/download/ikj2m211.pdf
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> I am trying to login to tso and get msg ikj56416i (RACF RACINIT ERROR CODE
> 32). however, racinit error code skips 32 (30, 34).
>
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Re: what is racinit error 32?

2019-04-17 Thread ITschak Mugzach
The return codes are not described in the msg manual...

On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 8:27 PM Steve Beaver  wrote:

>  https://www.ibm.com/support/libraryserver/download/ikj2m211.pdf
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> I am trying to login to tso and get msg ikj56416i (RACF RACINIT ERROR CODE
> 32). however, racinit error code skips 32 (30, 34).
>
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Re: what is racinit error 32?

2019-04-17 Thread Steve Beaver
 https://www.ibm.com/support/libraryserver/download/ikj2m211.pdf


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Subject: what is racinit error 32?

I am trying to login to tso and get msg ikj56416i (RACF RACINIT ERROR CODE
32). however, racinit error code skips 32 (30, 34).

Any idea?
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Re: z?OSMF

2019-04-17 Thread Jousma, David
I found, and downloaded the cookbook too.  Again, fine for setting up the STC 
security, but trying to figure out some level of role based functionality, and 
who should see what, is the hard part.

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TSS here also, and luckily my TSS sysprog has been able to either find the TSS 
cookbook for z/osmf security setup or has been able to translate RACF to TSS, I 
agree, still a mess to setup correctly. 
still getting issues with some 2.2 security setup due to the security group 
does not understand the required setup and refuses to complete the security 
setup because of these issues. 




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The shop where we are installing z/OSMF is CA-TSS also. That makes it a mild 
mess to setup. 

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Yea, I should have been a bit clearer. Security setup for the actual STC's is 
not unreasonable. It's trying to determine the correct access for various 
levels of security for different role types (general user, sysprog, sysprog 
admin, etc). The other is that zOSMF requires bits of operating system pieces 
that we hadn’t previously configured (CIM, CEA, etc), that we are still working 
the bugs out of. We are a CA-TSS shop too. 

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IMHO the security set-up really isn't that bad now. There are multiple SAMPLIB 
jobs for each function/plugin so it's far, far easier than the old shell script 
way. I had the basic security set-up carried out within minutes - the worst bit 
was changing all the SAMPLIB jobs to stick an OWNER on the CONNECT and RDEFINE 
RACF commands :) 


Jim 

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>Marshall, That's all we use it for at this point too. IMHO, they have fixed 
>the installation issues, but the security setup payload is so overwhelming 
>that it may never see the light of day here. 
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what is racinit error 32?

2019-04-17 Thread ITschak Mugzach
I am trying to login to tso and get msg ikj56416i (RACF RACINIT ERROR CODE
32). however, racinit error code skips 32 (30, 34).

Any idea?
ITschak

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Re: CSSMTP

2019-04-17 Thread Roberto Halais
I solved the brackets issue by specifying:
TRANSLATE Ibm-037  in the config parms.

On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 9:05 AM Allan Staller  wrote:

> Almost none. The only thing ISTR is CSSMTP is not very happy with square
> brackets "[" and "]".
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> HTH,
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Debug tool in background batch job

2019-04-17 Thread Joseph Reichman
Hi

Would anyone know if I could run debug tool 
As a batch job producing an instruction trace of a program thanks 

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Fwd: All is A4-OK | Computerworld

2019-04-17 Thread Mark Regan
https://www.computerworld.com/article/3389659/all-is-a4-ok.html 
 
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Re: CSSMTP

2019-04-17 Thread Carmen Vitullo
Hi Marshall, my I/P guy is steplibing to TCPIP.SEZATCP - I found it there 



Carmen Vitullo 

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Subject: Re: CSSMTP 

That’s interesting - The TCPIP.SEZALOAD on these z/OS V2.3 systems do not have 
MVPMAIN load module anymore. Could someone have copied it? 

MS 
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Subject: Re: CSSMTP 

what program is not found? 
looks like out network guy has an SMTP address space started using MVPMAIN, I 
see this program still in my 2.3 TCPIP.SEZATCP loadlib is there another program 
in the call charin that is no longer there? 
also from the migration Guide Share presentation I have sez. 


z/OS V2.3 is the last release to include the Simple Mail Transport Protocol 
Network Job Entry (SMTPD NJE) Mail Gateway and Sendmail mail transports. If you 
use the SMTPD NJE Gateway to send mail, use the existing CSSMTP SMTP NJE Mail 
Gateway instead. IBM had announced plans to provide a replacement program for 
the Sendmail client that would not require programming changes. Those plans 
have changed, and IBM plans to provide a compatible subset of functions for 
Sendmail in the replacement program and to announce those functions in the 
future. Programming changes or alternative solutions to currently provided 
Sendmail functions might be required. No replacement function is planned in 
z/OS Communications Server to support using SMTPD or Sendmail as a (SMTP) 
server for receiving mail for delivery to local TSO/E or z/OS UNIX System 
Services user mailboxes, or for forwarding mail to other destinations. 


- confused 0 



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Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 9:12:54 AM 
Subject: Re: CSSMTP 

Also you are going from basically a POP mail server with full functions to a 
spool offload program that just forwards files to your corporate mail server. 
In V2.3 and above the mail program is no longer found, but we did cheat and 
copy the module from V2.2 and it worked in the lab under V2.3. 

MS 
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The biggest problem with migrating to CSSMTP would be not doing it. 

If you try to stick with SMTP, when you upgrade z/OS you'd have nothing as SMTP 
would stop working. 

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Re: CSSMTP

2019-04-17 Thread Marshall Stone
That’s interesting - The TCPIP.SEZALOAD on these z/OS V2.3 systems do not have 
MVPMAIN load module anymore. Could someone have copied it?

MS
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Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 10:34 AM
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Subject: Re: CSSMTP

what program is not found? 
looks like out network guy has an SMTP address space started using MVPMAIN, I 
see this program still in my 2.3 TCPIP.SEZATCP loadlib is there another program 
in the call charin that is no longer there? 
also from the migration Guide Share presentation I have sez. 


z/OS V2.3 is the last release to include the Simple Mail Transport Protocol 
Network Job Entry (SMTPD NJE) Mail Gateway and Sendmail mail transports. If you 
use the SMTPD NJE Gateway to send mail, use the existing CSSMTP SMTP NJE Mail 
Gateway instead. IBM had announced plans to provide a replacement program for 
the Sendmail client that would not require programming changes. Those plans 
have changed, and IBM plans to provide a compatible subset of functions for 
Sendmail in the replacement program and to announce those functions in the 
future. Programming changes or alternative solutions to currently provided 
Sendmail functions might be required. No replacement function is planned in 
z/OS Communications Server to support using SMTPD or Sendmail as a (SMTP) 
server for receiving mail for delivery to local TSO/E or z/OS UNIX System 
Services user mailboxes, or for forwarding mail to other destinations. 


- confused 0 



Carmen Vitullo 

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Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 9:12:54 AM 
Subject: Re: CSSMTP 

Also you are going from basically a POP mail server with full functions to a 
spool offload program that just forwards files to your corporate mail server. 
In V2.3 and above the mail program is no longer found, but we did cheat and 
copy the module from V2.2 and it worked in the lab under V2.3. 

MS 
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Wawiorko, Mike : Infrastructure Services 
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 10:05 AM 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Subject: Re: CSSMTP 

The biggest problem with migrating to CSSMTP would be not doing it. 

If you try to stick with SMTP, when you upgrade z/OS you'd have nothing as SMTP 
would stop working. 

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Re: CSSMTP

2019-04-17 Thread Carmen Vitullo
what program is not found? 
looks like out network guy has an SMTP address space started using MVPMAIN, I 
see this program still in my 2.3 TCPIP.SEZATCP loadlib 
is there another program in the call charin that is no longer there? 
also from the migration Guide Share presentation I have sez. 


z/OS V2.3 is the last release to include the Simple Mail Transport Protocol 
Network Job Entry (SMTPD NJE) Mail Gateway and Sendmail mail transports. If you 
use the SMTPD NJE Gateway to send mail, use the existing CSSMTP SMTP NJE Mail 
Gateway instead. IBM had announced plans to provide a replacement program for 
the Sendmail client that would not require programming changes. Those plans 
have changed, and IBM plans to provide a compatible subset of functions for 
Sendmail in the replacement program and to announce those functions in the 
future. Programming changes or alternative solutions to currently provided 
Sendmail functions might be required. No replacement function is planned in 
z/OS Communications Server to support using SMTPD or Sendmail as a (SMTP) 
server for receiving mail for delivery to local TSO/E or z/OS UNIX System 
Services user mailboxes, or for forwarding mail to other destinations. 


- confused 0 



Carmen Vitullo 

- Original Message -

From: "Marshall Stone"  
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 9:12:54 AM 
Subject: Re: CSSMTP 

Also you are going from basically a POP mail server with full functions to a 
spool offload program that just forwards files to your corporate mail server. 
In V2.3 and above the mail program is no longer found, but we did cheat and 
copy the module from V2.2 and it worked in the lab under V2.3. 

MS 
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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Wawiorko, Mike : Infrastructure Services 
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 10:05 AM 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Subject: Re: CSSMTP 

The biggest problem with migrating to CSSMTP would be not doing it. 

If you try to stick with SMTP, when you upgrade z/OS you'd have nothing as SMTP 
would stop working. 

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Re: TapeTools VEHSYNC job

2019-04-17 Thread Lizette Koehler
If you send an email to the team that supports this, they are very helpful.

Lizette


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> Hi,
> The VEHSYNC job in the tapetools package has DD cards for various Tape
> Management Systems.
> We use Control-M/Tape from BMC formerly known as Control-T.
> There are two DD's the look like they belong to Control-T, CNTLT60 and
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Re: CSSMTP

2019-04-17 Thread Marshall Stone
Also you are going from basically a POP mail server with full functions to a 
spool offload program that just forwards files to your corporate mail server.  
In V2.3 and above the mail program is no longer found, but we did cheat and 
copy the module from V2.2 and it worked in the lab under V2.3.

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The biggest problem with migrating to CSSMTP would be not doing it.

If you try to stick with SMTP, when you upgrade z/OS you'd have nothing as SMTP 
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Re: CSSMTP

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The biggest problem with migrating to CSSMTP would be not doing it.

If you try to stick with SMTP, when you upgrade z/OS you'd have nothing as SMTP 
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Re: In-rack FICON DASD

2019-04-17 Thread R.S.

W dniu 2019-04-17 o 06:57, Timothy Sipples pisze:

So far here's the list of currently available FICON-attached/ECKD storage
units that fit within the 16U Reserved feature of the IBM z14 ZR1 and
LinuxONE Rockhopper II machines, in alphabetical order by vendor:

Dell EMC PowerMax 8000
IBM DS8882F
Luminex T2S
Visara Vi-8810L

Any candidates still missing?


I don't know about any candidates to this category, but when we add HDS, 
we have all current vendors of mainframe disks.

Of course both EMC and IBM also make bigger systems. ;-)


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Re: StorageTek VSM Roadmap?

2019-04-17 Thread R.S.

W dniu 2019-04-16 o 19:44, Michael Pantoja pisze:

Anybody heard anything about Oracle's future plans for the VSM? VSM 7 came out in 2016 
and there's been plenty of RIFs since then as they continue their focus on 
"Cloud".


My personal opinion: it's moribound. Still under sales, but no plans for 
real development.
Note, they canceled their real tape drives. That means T1E is 
canceled, existing T1D is still under sale, but it's GA was in 2013.

They also canceled VSM open (for distributed systems).

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Re: z?OSMF

2019-04-17 Thread Carmen Vitullo
:( well isn't that special - 
now not just planning 2.3 now 'I' have to start to look at 2.4 with no 
traditional migration guide? I sure hope I don't need internet access from my 
ServerPac system. 
thanks IBM ! looking to retire earlier that later now 


Carmen Vitullo 

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Subject: Re: z?OSMF 

On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 14:36:59 -0500, Steve Beaver wrote: 

>z/OSMF to say it mildly is a lot to configure. 
> 
>Is anyone getting any use of z/OSMF other than a lot of work 

I don't have an answer to that question, but you might want to 
consider the following, from the z/OS 2.4 preview announcement. 
https://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/ShowDoc.wss?docURL=/common/ssi/rep_ca/3/897/ENUS219-013/index.html
 


z/OS Migration Workflow 

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Migration publication, GA32-0889, in its current format. Since 
z/OS V2.2, the preferred method for learning about migration actions 
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Re: CSSMTP

2019-04-17 Thread Allan Staller
I don't recall. This was circa z/OS 1.11 when I first migrated to CSSMTP.

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What was in the charset on the content-type header field?


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Almost none. The only thing ISTR is CSSMTP is not very happy with square 
brackets "[" and "]".

HTH,

-Original Message-
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I am a Db2 Systems Programmer, not a z/OS Systems Programmer. What are the 
difficulties with implementing CSSMTP?
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Re: CSSMTP

2019-04-17 Thread Seymour J Metz
What was in the charset on the content-type header field?


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Almost none. The only thing ISTR is CSSMTP is not very happy with square 
brackets "[" and "]".

HTH,

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I am a Db2 Systems Programmer, not a z/OS Systems Programmer. What are the 
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Re: z?OSMF

2019-04-17 Thread Tom Marchant
On Tue, 16 Apr 2019 14:36:59 -0500, Steve Beaver wrote:

>z/OSMF to say it mildly is a lot to configure.
>
>Is anyone getting any use of z/OSMF other than a lot of work

I don't have an answer to that question, but you might want to 
consider the following, from the z/OS 2.4 preview announcement.
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z/OS Migration Workflow

Starting in z/OS V2.4, IBM intends to no longer provide the z/OS 
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z/OS V2.2, the preferred method for learning about migration actions 
has been the z/OS Migration Workflow. Discovering, performing, and 
verifying many migration actions through the z/OS MF Workflow 
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system. Starting with the z/OS V2.4 release and later, IBM intends 
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Re: TapeTools VEHSYNC job

2019-04-17 Thread Oren, Yifat
Hi Gadi,

Long time no speak 
If we're not mistaken, you should use CNTLT60 for Control-T V6  MDB or CNTLT61 
for V6.1 (and higher).
There was a change in the MDB format in 6.1.

HTH,
Yifat

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Subject: [EXTERNAL] TapeTools VEHSYNC job

Hi,
The VEHSYNC job in the tapetools package has DD cards for various Tape 
Management Systems.
We use Control-M/Tape from BMC formerly known as Control-T.
There are two DD's the look like they belong to Control-T, CNTLT60 and CNTLT61.

Does anyone know what these DD's should point to?

Thanks

Gadi


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Re: z?OSMF

2019-04-17 Thread Carmen Vitullo
TSS here also, and luckily my TSS sysprog has been able to either find the TSS 
cookbook for z/osmf security setup or has been able to translate RACF to TSS, I 
agree, still a mess to setup correctly. 
still getting issues with some 2.2 security setup due to the security group 
does not understand the required setup and refuses to complete the security 
setup because of these issues. 




Carmen Vitullo 

- Original Message -

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Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 8:06:55 AM 
Subject: Re: z?OSMF 

The shop where we are installing z/OSMF is CA-TSS also. That makes it a mild 
mess to setup. 

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Of Jousma, David 
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2019 6:11 AM 
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU 
Subject: Re: z?OSMF 

Yea, I should have been a bit clearer. Security setup for the actual STC's is 
not unreasonable. It's trying to determine the correct access for various 
levels of security for different role types (general user, sysprog, sysprog 
admin, etc). The other is that zOSMF requires bits of operating system pieces 
that we hadn’t previously configured (CIM, CEA, etc), that we are still working 
the bugs out of. We are a CA-TSS shop too. 

-Original Message- 
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IMHO the security set-up really isn't that bad now. There are multiple SAMPLIB 
jobs for each function/plugin so it's far, far easier than the old shell script 
way. I had the basic security set-up carried out within minutes - the worst bit 
was changing all the SAMPLIB jobs to stick an OWNER on the CONNECT and RDEFINE 
RACF commands :) 


Jim 

On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 10:03:26 +, Jousma, David  wrote: 

>Marshall, That's all we use it for at this point too. IMHO, they have fixed 
>the installation issues, but the security setup payload is so overwhelming 
>that it may never see the light of day here. 
> 
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>z/OSMF to say it mildly is a lot to configure. 
> 
> 
> 
>Is anyone getting any use of z/OSMF other than a lot of work 
> 
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>TIA 
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Re: z?OSMF

2019-04-17 Thread Steve Beaver
The shop where we are installing z/OSMF is CA-TSS also.  That makes it a mild 
mess to setup. 

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Yea, I should have been a bit clearer.   Security setup for the actual STC's is 
not unreasonable.   It's trying to determine the correct access for various 
levels of security for different role types (general user, sysprog, sysprog 
admin, etc).   The other is that zOSMF requires bits of operating system pieces 
that we hadn’t previously configured (CIM, CEA, etc), that we are still working 
the bugs out of.   We are a CA-TSS shop too.

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IMHO the security set-up really isn't that bad now. There are multiple SAMPLIB 
jobs for each function/plugin so it's far, far easier than the old shell script 
way. I had the basic security set-up carried out within minutes - the worst bit 
was changing all the SAMPLIB jobs to stick an OWNER on the CONNECT and RDEFINE 
RACF commands :)


Jim

On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 10:03:26 +, Jousma, David  wrote:

>Marshall, That's all we use it for at this point too.   IMHO, they have fixed 
>the installation issues, but the security setup payload is so overwhelming 
>that it may never see the light of day here.   
>
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>z/OSMF to say it mildly is a lot to configure.
>
>
>
>Is anyone getting any use of z/OSMF other than a lot of work
>
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>TIA
>
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>Steve
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Re: CSSMTP

2019-04-17 Thread Allan Staller
Almost none. The only thing ISTR is CSSMTP is not very happy with square 
brackets "[" and "]".

HTH,

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I am a Db2 Systems Programmer, not a z/OS Systems Programmer. What are the 
difficulties with implementing CSSMTP?
thanks
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Re: Dumps and cancelling jobs

2019-04-17 Thread Steve Smith
It seems odd to me that MVS needs all those "built-in" SLIPs to suppress
dumps.  I would expect most of those are abends that didn't request a dump
in the first place.

sas

On Wed, Apr 17, 2019 at 7:42 AM Peter Relson  wrote:

> There is nothing that fault analyzer can do about this. When the system is
> told not to take a dump, it does not take a dump.
>
> >I'm not going to get permission to do this.
>
> Permission to do what? Ask someone who issues "CANCEL" (especially for
> something of yours) to include the "DUMP" operand?
> Removal of the SLIP trap would not be appropriate.
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TapeTools VEHSYNC job

2019-04-17 Thread Gadi Ben-Avi
Hi,
The VEHSYNC job in the tapetools package has DD cards for various Tape 
Management Systems.
We use Control-M/Tape from BMC formerly known as Control-T.
There are two DD's the look like they belong to Control-T, CNTLT60 and CNTLT61.

Does anyone know what these DD's should point to?

Thanks

Gadi


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Re: Dumps and cancelling jobs

2019-04-17 Thread Peter Relson
There is nothing that fault analyzer can do about this. When the system is 
told not to take a dump, it does not take a dump.

>I'm not going to get permission to do this. 

Permission to do what? Ask someone who issues "CANCEL" (especially for 
something of yours) to include the "DUMP" operand?
Removal of the SLIP trap would not be appropriate.

Peter Relson
z/OS Core Technology Design


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Re: z?OSMF

2019-04-17 Thread Jousma, David
Yea, I should have been a bit clearer.   Security setup for the actual STC's is 
not unreasonable.   It's trying to determine the correct access for various 
levels of security for different role types (general user, sysprog, sysprog 
admin, etc).   The other is that zOSMF requires bits of operating system pieces 
that we hadn’t previously configured (CIM, CEA, etc), that we are still working 
the bugs out of.   We are a CA-TSS shop too.

-Original Message-
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IMHO the security set-up really isn't that bad now. There are multiple SAMPLIB 
jobs for each function/plugin so it's far, far easier than the old shell script 
way. I had the basic security set-up carried out within minutes - the worst bit 
was changing all the SAMPLIB jobs to stick an OWNER on the CONNECT and RDEFINE 
RACF commands :)


Jim

On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 10:03:26 +, Jousma, David  wrote:

>Marshall, That's all we use it for at this point too.   IMHO, they have fixed 
>the installation issues, but the security setup payload is so overwhelming 
>that it may never see the light of day here.   
>
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>
>z/OSMF to say it mildly is a lot to configure.
>
>
>
>Is anyone getting any use of z/OSMF other than a lot of work
>
>
>
>TIA
>
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>Steve
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Re: z?OSMF

2019-04-17 Thread Jim Taylor
IMHO the security set-up really isn't that bad now. There are multiple SAMPLIB 
jobs for each function/plugin so it's far, far easier than the old shell script 
way. I had the basic security set-up carried out within minutes - the worst bit 
was changing all the SAMPLIB jobs to stick an OWNER on the CONNECT and RDEFINE 
RACF commands :)


Jim

On Wed, 17 Apr 2019 10:03:26 +, Jousma, David  wrote:

>Marshall, That's all we use it for at this point too.   IMHO, they have fixed 
>the installation issues, but the security setup payload is so overwhelming 
>that it may never see the light of day here.   
>
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>z/OSMF to say it mildly is a lot to configure.
>
>
>
>Is anyone getting any use of z/OSMF other than a lot of work
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>TIA
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Re: z?OSMF

2019-04-17 Thread Jousma, David
Marshall, That's all we use it for at this point too.   IMHO, they have fixed 
the installation issues, but the security setup payload is so overwhelming that 
it may never see the light of day here.   

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z/OSMF to say it mildly is a lot to configure.



Is anyone getting any use of z/OSMF other than a lot of work



TIA


Steve




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Re: HSM dummy question ML1

2019-04-17 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Jake Anderson wrote:

>When we say ML1 I understand it's a dasd ?

Usually yes, but you as HSM admin has the final say.


>So if it a HSM managed where can I list it or do we define a set of pool ?

Look in your ARCCMDxx parmlib member for this statement like this example.

ADDVOL ?? UNIT(3390) MIGRATION(ML1 ...

There are some HSENDCMD QUERY commands and perhaps ISMF which can help you.

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht (ex-HSM/SMS Storage admin... ;-D )

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Re: In-rack FICON DASD

2019-04-17 Thread Christian Svensson
Thanks everyone for your wonderful replies!
This was exactly what I was looking for :-).

Thanks,

On Tue, 16 Apr 2019, 15:53 John Kaba  wrote:

> We have been using the Visara 8810 for almost a year, and it has been a
> reliable, cost effective, rack mounted solution for our older z890 running
> VM and VSE.  It has a small footprint, and is faster than what our old z890
> channels can handle, so it is limited only by our CPU.
>
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> Check out IBM's DS8882F.
>
>
> On Sun, 14 Apr 2019 at 17:56, Ken Bloom  wrote:
>
> > Check out the Visara vi-8810 DASD, 2U high, SSD dasd.  I can give you
> > more info offline.
> >
> > Regards
> > Ken
> >
> > Kenneth A. Bloom
> > CEO
> > Avenir Technologies Inc
> > /d/b/a Visara International
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> > https://linkprotect.cudasvc.com/url?a=https%3a%2f%2fwww.visara.com=E
> > ,1,c1RJve6w5qylHKFFZbk-1h0Nt1xjCkxMEMwHaCeWaFRUczvytiQme5hvswcgtmv81CF
> > a5TGZpT9rz1_qX9tSn5pRKFdG0yHcVMwsNRiPXznJ=1
> >
> >
> > > On Apr 14, 2019, at 10:42 AM, Christian Svensson <
> > 022ad63487ef-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > With the z14 ZR1's 16U reserved 19" space option available I'm
> > > curious if anyone has figured out a way to fit everything one needs in
> one rack?
> > > Adding two switches, and a conventional SAN is a no-brainer with
> > > space to spare - but what would you pick for FICON EKCD for supporting
> z/OS load?
> > >
> > > An old DS6800 would work but what if you want something that is a
> > > bit
> > newer
> > > and not EOL?
> > >
> > > Imagine this rack is for development purposes or something that is
> > > not mission critical, where the space (and power) is more of a premium.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
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