Re: Progam directory AD/Cycle C/370

2020-12-15 Thread Attila Fogarasi
It was on the product tape in Bookmanager format and not separately
orderable,  I think.  A hardcopy came with the tapes.  Note that Adobe
Acrobat did not exist until several years after this product was released
(hence no pdf).

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 8:53 PM Peter  wrote:

> It doesn't takes me to get a copy of PDF
>
> On Tue, 15 Dec, 2020, 1:51 pm Jan Vanbrabant, 
> wrote:
>
> > Is/was the a PGMDIR,  Peter?
> >
> >
> >
> https://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?infotype=dd=sm=897/ENUS5688-216
> >
> > Jan
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 10:19 AM Peter  wrote:
> >
> > > Hello
> > >
> > > Does anyone have a copy of Progam directory AD/Cycle C/370 1.2 ?
> > >
> > > I don't find the installation manual over web might be due to
> > backlevelled
> > >
> > > Any pointers ?
> > >
> > > Peter
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Re: JCL PARM issue

2020-12-15 Thread Burgess, Otto A. (CTR)
LOL

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Seymour J Metz
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Orthogonality is conspicuous by its absence. It were ever thus.


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On Mon, 14 Dec 2020 11:56:53 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:

>Yes - you only have one level of expansion.
>
And doubled ampersands in the PARMDD file are not collapsed.
This is documented.

I have found that there is a circumvention for the convention that prohibits 
using JCL symbols in quoted strings in the SET statment.
Something like:
//  SET Q=,X='Middle'
//  SET TRIAD=

Of course that is covered by the rule:
* Do not specify JCL symbols within other JCL symbols. The results can be
   unpredictable, especially if the imbedded JCL symbol is not previously 
defined.

"unpredictable" is feckless engineering.  IBM simply doesn't care to document 
the behavior lest IBM be subject to SRs when the system transgresses such rules.

The JCL Ref. has 18 pages describing the behavior of symbols, mostly exceptions.
This is a symptom of design inconsistency -- Conway's Law.

>
>From:  Paul Gilmartin
>Sent: Sunday, December 13, 2020 3:43 PM
>>
>It's time for an RFE for the equivalent of HLASM's DOUBLE BIF.  No "Maybe".
>
>Does PARMDD handle this better?

-- gil

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Re: Progam directory AD/Cycle C/370

2020-12-15 Thread Peter
It doesn't takes me to get a copy of PDF

On Tue, 15 Dec, 2020, 1:51 pm Jan Vanbrabant, 
wrote:

> Is/was the a PGMDIR,  Peter?
>
>
> https://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?infotype=dd=sm=897/ENUS5688-216
>
> Jan
>
> On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 10:19 AM Peter  wrote:
>
> > Hello
> >
> > Does anyone have a copy of Progam directory AD/Cycle C/370 1.2 ?
> >
> > I don't find the installation manual over web might be due to
> backlevelled
> >
> > Any pointers ?
> >
> > Peter
> >
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Re: Progam directory AD/Cycle C/370

2020-12-15 Thread Jan Vanbrabant
Is/was the a PGMDIR,  Peter?

https://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?infotype=dd=sm=897/ENUS5688-216

Jan

On Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 10:19 AM Peter  wrote:

> Hello
>
> Does anyone have a copy of Progam directory AD/Cycle C/370 1.2 ?
>
> I don't find the installation manual over web might be due to backlevelled
>
> Any pointers ?
>
> Peter
>
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Progam directory AD/Cycle C/370

2020-12-15 Thread Peter
Hello

Does anyone have a copy of Progam directory AD/Cycle C/370 1.2 ?

I don't find the installation manual over web might be due to backlevelled

Any pointers ?

Peter

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