Re: Introducing IBM Virtual Dev and Test for z/OS

[kekronbekron]

Hey Tim,

Could you give us a one-liner for each of these.

VD  -- zOS on s390x architecture (IFL)
zD -- zOS on x86_64 architecture
ADCD  -- ??
Wazi  -- ??

- KB
--- Original Message ---
On Thursday, June 16th, 2022 at 2:16 PM, Timothy Sipples  
wrote:


> IBM Wazi as a Service provides near instant (within just a few minutes), on 
> demand access to z/OS instances for development, unit testing, and training. 
> These instances run in IBM Cloud, and the performance is excellent since they 
> run on real mainframes. Wazi as a Service is in limited preview now and will 
> be more generally available this year. See here for more information:
>
> https://www.ibm.com/cloud/wazi-as-a-service
>
> One question we got is, "Great, but can I also do this on premises?" Well, 
> yes, you "always" could/can with development LPARs and z/VM guests. And also 
> on your Linux PC (or a X86 server) with the IBM Z Development and Test 
> Environment (ZD), although in that case it's real z/OS but with emulation 
> overhead.
>
> Now there's yet another great option: the IBM Virtual Dev and Test for z/OS, 
> generally available THIS FRIDAY. The announcement letter is available here:
>
> https://www.ibm.com/downloads/cas/US-ENUS222-251-CA/name/US-ENUS222-251-CA.PDF
>
> And the landing page is here:
>
> https://www.ibm.com/products/virtual-dev-and-test-zos
>
> This product also provides virtualized z/OS instances on IFLs for 
> development, unit testing, and training. You will need at least 2 IFLs (on an 
> IBM zSystems or LinuxONE server), although they can be potentially shared 
> with other workloads. Of course you'll need some memory and disk space. The 
> latter can be any reasonable Linux-attachable storage. (It does not have to 
> be specifically ECKD/FICON-attached.) IBM Virtual Dev and Test for z/OS 
> licenses are available via IBM Passport Advantage in your choice of one-time 
> charge license (with annual Subscription & Support) or monthly license (with 
> monthly Subscription & Support). You can start with monthly then switch to 
> one-time charge if you wish.
>
> Did I mention it's generally available this Friday? :-)
>
> Speaking to z/OS system programmers and other operators for a moment (and my 
> personal views here, as always)... The intention behind these offerings is to 
> make sure developers have whatever they need without constraints or delay. 
> Let them do their jobs and be productive at speed. If each developer wants 
> her own z/OS instance, FINE. If the developer "destroys" that z/OS instance, 
> no problem, the developer can spin up another one from "last known good." 
> (That's part of learning, and that's a good thing.) And if you won't let 
> developers develop (and unit test), and maybe even stumble once in a while, 
> we'll do it...with a very reasonable hourly rate for IBM Wazi as a Service, 
> with "walk up" service just a few clicks/taps away from anywhere. But you can 
> do it, too, so go do it (too), OK?
>
> With both Wazi as a Service and IBM Virtual Dev and Test for z/OS developers 
> can use the pre-built "ADCD" z/OS image or use a tool IBM provides to take a 
> "snapshot" of the current development LPAR(s) and use that as a starting 
> point. These z/OS instances can be automated, and we encourage that, so they 
> can be used for DevOps pipelines with automated unit testing.
>
> Have fun.
>
> — — — — —
> Timothy Sipples
> Senior Architect
> Digital Assets, Industry Solutions, and Cybersecurity
> IBM zSystems/LinuxONE, Asia-Pacific
> sipp...@sg.ibm.com
>
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Re: SMPe ACCEPT process

[Mark Jacobs]

There's rarely a reason to fret about accept errors like that. I'd always just 
do an ACCEPT PTFS BYPASS(HOLDSYSTEM) and whatever got accepted was good enough 
for me at the time. If I ever needed to restore a PTF and it didn't work, then 
I'd dig deeper into accept processing/errors.

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--- Original Message ---
On Thursday, June 16th, 2022 at 7:48 PM, Bill Giannelli 
 wrote:


> thank you all for your help!
> Now i keep getting multiple GIM37905E errors
>
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Re: RIsks of sharing FICON adapters between LPARs on the same host

[Laurence Chiu]

Thanks. I will raise that as a query. While the DS8K's data is encrypted
using SKLM this is at rest and not during transmission.

If all data is encrypted before I/O are there any performance impacts on
say Z14's with lesser capable hardware encryption?

On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 4:31 PM Timothy Sipples  wrote:

> You can and should *cryptographically* isolate z/OS data sets using z/OS
> Data Set Encryption, preferably with protected key cryptography if
> available. You can find out more about this feature (and how to implement
> it) here:
>
> https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zos/2.5.0?topic=sets-data-set-encryption
> https://www.redbooks.ibm.com/abstracts/sg248410.html
>
> With z/OS Data Set Encryption any/all encrypted data sets are encrypted
> before I/O. By the time the data (inside the encrypted data sets) reach the
> FICON Express adapters they're already encrypted. These cryptographic
> separation/isolation boundaries are per individual data set if desired, so
> they're highly granular.
>
> Whereupon you can ask *them* why they aren't encrypting all (or most)
> individual files with separate keys (if/as merited), and/or why they're
> using clear key encryption. :-)
>
> — — — — —
> Timothy Sipples
> Senior Architect
> Digital Assets, Industry Solutions, and Cybersecurity
> IBM zSystems/LinuxONE, Asia-Pacific
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Re: SMPe ACCEPT process

[Bill Giannelli]

thank you all for your help!
Now i keep getting multiple GIM37905E errors

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Re: SMPe ACCEPT process

[Allan Staller]

Classification: Confidential

I generally do not worry too much about the accepts. I would just go with a 
generic accept.
ACCEPT . (of course specifying the appropriate zones on the  SET BDY.

The purpose of the accept is to set a DLIB Level. If it becomes necessary to 
restore a PTF, all prereq/coreq.ifreq maint must be restored to the DLIB level 
(and possibly reapplied).
The shorer this chain is, the more less  work to perform the restore.

HTH

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For my prior maintenance I have run an APPLY excluding several PTFs due to PEs 
and specified several bypass options.
But when running an ACCEPT do I run WITHOUT the excludes and the bypass?
thanks
Bill

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Re: [EXTERNAL] SMPe ACCEPT process

[Pommier, Rex]

Now I'm second guessing myself.  You can skip the excludes, but you might need 
the bypass - I'm assuming you mean bypass holdsys.  Try it with a CHECK and see 
what you get.  :-)

Rex

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Typically, yes, because unless you tell it otherwise, the accept will only 
accept PTFs that have already been applied.  

Rex

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Subject: [EXTERNAL] SMPe ACCEPT process

For my prior maintenance I have run an APPLY excluding several PTFs due to PEs 
and specified several bypass options.
But when running an ACCEPT do I run WITHOUT the excludes and the bypass?
thanks
Bill

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Re: [EXTERNAL] SMPe ACCEPT process

[Pommier, Rex]

Typically, yes, because unless you tell it otherwise, the accept will only 
accept PTFs that have already been applied.  

Rex

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For my prior maintenance I have run an APPLY excluding several PTFs due to PEs 
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But when running an ACCEPT do I run WITHOUT the excludes and the bypass?
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SMPe ACCEPT process

[Bill Giannelli]

For my prior maintenance I have run an APPLY excluding several PTFs due to PEs 
and specified several bypass options.
But when running an ACCEPT do I run WITHOUT the excludes and the bypass?
thanks
Bill

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Re: Introducing IBM Virtual Dev and Test for z/OS

[Patrick Loftus]

It's possible the IBM Z requirements are for the "Virtual Dev and Test for z/OS 
instances" component, and the x86-64 requirements are for the other two 
components, "Virtual Dev and Test for z/OS web and Software based license 
server" and "Image storage server".

These components are mentioned in the hardware requirements.

Regards


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Tony Harminc
Sent: 16 June 2022 17:36
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Subject: Re: Introducing IBM Virtual Dev and Test for z/OS


One more little confusing item I noticed: In the announcement letter under 
Software requirements Operating systems we see:
• Ubuntu Server 22.04 LTS for IBM Z and LinuxONE; IBM z/Architecture(R) • 
Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, 18.04 LTS, and 20.04 LTS; x86-64 hardware • Red Hat(R) 
Enterprise Linux (RHEL) Server 7 and 8; x86-64 hardware

This is just weird. What are those two Intel Linuxes doing there?
Surely, surely this doesn't in any way involve i64 emulation on real zArch 
hardware?

Tony H.

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Re: Modernize Mainframe Applications for Hybrid Cloud with IBM and AWS

[Jay Maynard]

There are AWS employees all around the world, but not that many in India,
AFAIK.

(I just went to work for them a couple of months ago.)

On Thu, Jun 16, 2022, 14:17 Tony Harminc  wrote:

> On Thu, 16 Jun 2022 at 12:56, Ronald Wells
> <02ebc63ff5ef-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> >
> > AWS?? May as well kiss your jobs good by, pulled away over seas
>
> It's just about ten years ago that there was all the talk here about
> *IBM* having more employees in India than in the US. I'm not sure
> there's much evidence that AWS has gone that way.
>
> Tony H.
>
> > -Original Message-
>
> > This is pretty funny if you think about IBM claiming that IBM cloud
> produces so much revenue--then they go and offer something on AWS! Guess
> they don't believe in their own cloud? Or is this a tacit admission that it
> doesn't exist?
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zOSMF

[BM]

Do anyone know to change the defaults value provided by IBM for Temporary 
Catalog Alias (NEWMCAT) and Catalog name (CATALOG.MCAT), didn't find the modify 
option under Catalogs deployment (zOSMF).

Thanks,
BM.

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Re: Is deliverycb-bld.dhe.ibm.com the wrong host for HTTPS PTF downloads?

[Wendell Lovewell]

I was the name-dropper Kurt.  

I thought I saw you discussing with someone, somewhere, something about using 
or not using delivery"cb"-bld.dhe.ibm.com vs delivery"something else"...

(Can I make that any more vague? :) )

Anyway, "cb" is working now.  At least I could get the files with Download 
Director. 

Thanks, 
Wendell

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Re: Introducing IBM Virtual Dev and Test for z/OS

[Dana Mitchell]

On Thu, 16 Jun 2022 12:36:14 -0400, Tony Harminc  wrote:
>
>It would be really nice if IBM would explain what this product *is*. I
>appreciate that a certain amount of marketing fluff is always
>necessary, but even for IBM this is remarkably heavy on the fluff and
>light on the details.
>

The 'Tech Docs'  link is 404:   https://www.ibm.com/docs/en/zvdt/1.0.0

>
>Seems to me it's roughly one of two things (but doubtless there are
>many possibilities I haven't thought of):
>
>1) It's zPDT compiled for a target of zArch rather than Intel i64.
>2) It's some other virtualized - probably container-based way of
>dispatching z/OS work on IFLs, with user-friendly infrastructure to
>provision (dare I say "orchestrate") VMs and their content.
>

I would agree (1) is the more likely choice.  Then you get to decide  to 
utilize either z/VM or KVM to provision Linux/zos guests.

Dana

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Re: Is deliverycb-bld.dhe.ibm.com the wrong host for HTTPS PTF downloads?

[Bob Dott]

The server was down or unavailable for a while this morning but was up as of 
12:20EDT today.

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Re: Is deliverycb-bld.dhe.ibm.com the wrong host for HTTPS PTF downloads?

[Kurt J. Quackenbush]

Did someone mention my name?
The IP addresses for the download servers changed this past weekend, June 
12(ish).  The server host names remain the same.
https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/node/6580101

Kurt Quackenbush
IBM  |  z/OS SMP/E and z/OSMF Software Management  |  ku...@us.ibm.com

Chuck Norris never uses CHECK when he applies PTFs.

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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Is deliverycb-bld.dhe.ibm.com the wrong host for HTTPS PTF 
downloads?

I'm trying to download service for APAR PH39134 from ShopZ.  

I tried installing Java 8 so I could run the JNLP ShopZ provided, but it always 
displays "Server busy, try again later".

I've tried using the RNFJOBH job provided by ShopZ, but I'm getting:

GIM44336S ** AN UNUSUAL CONDITION OCCURRED. GIMJVGET - 
java.net.SocketException: Read failed 

I googled & found 
https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/deliverycb-bld.dhe.ibm.com , which says 
"It's not just you-deliverycb-bld.dhe.ibm.com is down".

I skimmed a thread here not that long ago about "deliverycb-bld.dhe.ibm.com", 
in which Kurt might have said to use a different server---but I can't find it 
now. 

Is "deliverycb-bld.dhe.ibm.com" temporarily unavailable, or has ShopZ sent me 
to the wrong server? 

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Re: Modernize Mainframe Applications for Hybrid Cloud with IBM and AWS

[Ronald Wells]

AWS is India

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On Thu, 16 Jun 2022 at 12:56, Ronald Wells 
<02ebc63ff5ef-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
> AWS?? May as well kiss your jobs good by, pulled away over seas

It's just about ten years ago that there was all the talk here about
*IBM* having more employees in India than in the US. I'm not sure there's much 
evidence that AWS has gone that way.

Tony H.

> -Original Message-

> This is pretty funny if you think about IBM claiming that IBM cloud produces 
> so much revenue--then they go and offer something on AWS! Guess they don't 
> believe in their own cloud? Or is this a tacit admission that it doesn't 
> exist?
> --
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Re: Modernize Mainframe Applications for Hybrid Cloud with IBM and AWS

[zMan]

And IBM surely has gone even further in that direction. A few years ago, an
IBM insider told me it was down to fewer than 25,000 US employees. Fewer
now, especially with the Kyndryl spinoff.

On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 2:17 PM Tony Harminc  wrote:

> On Thu, 16 Jun 2022 at 12:56, Ronald Wells
> <02ebc63ff5ef-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
> >
> > AWS?? May as well kiss your jobs good by, pulled away over seas
>
> It's just about ten years ago that there was all the talk here about
> *IBM* having more employees in India than in the US. I'm not sure
> there's much evidence that AWS has gone that way.
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Re: Modernize Mainframe Applications for Hybrid Cloud with IBM and AWS

[Tony Harminc]

On Thu, 16 Jun 2022 at 12:56, Ronald Wells
<02ebc63ff5ef-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
> AWS?? May as well kiss your jobs good by, pulled away over seas

It's just about ten years ago that there was all the talk here about
*IBM* having more employees in India than in the US. I'm not sure
there's much evidence that AWS has gone that way.

Tony H.

> -Original Message-

> This is pretty funny if you think about IBM claiming that IBM cloud produces 
> so much revenue--then they go and offer something on AWS! Guess they don't 
> believe in their own cloud? Or is this a tacit admission that it doesn't 
> exist?
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Re: Is deliverycb-bld.dhe.ibm.com the wrong host for HTTPS PTF downloads?

[Bill Johnson]

I think I hit it exactly at the right time that it was fixed because I tried 
Firefox right after I sent the “Chrome worked” reply and it worked also.


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Thursday, June 16, 2022, 1:30 PM, Albertus de Wet  wrote:

I placed an order this morning and trying to get the HTTPS JCL from their
website, created a "server refused connection". I opened a call with shopZ
- will see.
Using Chrome - so THAT did not make a difference.

On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 10:20 AM Bill Johnson <
0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> Switched to Chrome from Firefox and deliverycb-bld.dhe.ibm.com worked.
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>
>
> On Thursday, June 16, 2022, 12:00 PM, Bill Johnson <
> 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
> I ordered COBOL 6.4 yesterday and tried downloading it this morning and it
> appears deliverycb-bld.dhe.ibm.com is indeed down.
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>
>
> On Thursday, June 16, 2022, 11:52 AM, Wendell Lovewell <
> 01e9c0ee0673-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
> I'm trying to download service for APAR PH39134 from ShopZ.
>
> I tried installing Java 8 so I could run the JNLP ShopZ provided, but it
> always displays "Server busy, try again later".
>
> I've tried using the RNFJOBH job provided by ShopZ, but I'm getting:
>
> GIM44336S ** AN UNUSUAL CONDITION OCCURRED. GIMJVGET -
> java.net.SocketException: Read failed
>
> I googled & found
> https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/deliverycb-bld.dhe.ibm.com, which
> says "It's not just you-deliverycb-bld.dhe.ibm.com is down".
>
> I skimmed a thread here not that long ago about "
> deliverycb-bld.dhe.ibm.com", in which Kurt might have said to use a
> different server---but I can't find it now.
>
> Is "deliverycb-bld.dhe.ibm.com" temporarily unavailable, or has ShopZ
> sent me to the wrong server?
>
> Thanks,
> Wendell
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Re: Is deliverycb-bld.dhe.ibm.com the wrong host for HTTPS PTF downloads?

[Carmen Vitullo]

isn't that how it always happens, been there done that. not a problem

Carmen

On 6/16/2022 10:59 AM, Wendell Lovewell wrote:

Wouldn't you know it?

Just as soon as I posted the question, I tried the JNLP download it it worked.

Sorry to have troubled you.

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Re: Modernize Mainframe Applications for Hybrid Cloud with IBM and AWS

[zMan]

Ah. Thanks.

On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 1:16 PM Ronald Wells <
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> Dealings with AWS. Just saying , not pleasent
>

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Re: Is deliverycb-bld.dhe.ibm.com the wrong host for HTTPS PTF downloads?

[Albertus de Wet]

I placed an order this morning and trying to get the HTTPS JCL from their
website, created a "server refused connection". I opened a call with shopZ
- will see.
Using Chrome - so THAT did not make a difference.

On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 10:20 AM Bill Johnson <
0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> Switched to Chrome from Firefox and deliverycb-bld.dhe.ibm.com worked.
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>
>
> On Thursday, June 16, 2022, 12:00 PM, Bill Johnson <
> 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
> I ordered COBOL 6.4 yesterday and tried downloading it this morning and it
> appears deliverycb-bld.dhe.ibm.com is indeed down.
>
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone
>
>
> On Thursday, June 16, 2022, 11:52 AM, Wendell Lovewell <
> 01e9c0ee0673-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:
>
> I'm trying to download service for APAR PH39134 from ShopZ.
>
> I tried installing Java 8 so I could run the JNLP ShopZ provided, but it
> always displays "Server busy, try again later".
>
> I've tried using the RNFJOBH job provided by ShopZ, but I'm getting:
>
> GIM44336S ** AN UNUSUAL CONDITION OCCURRED. GIMJVGET -
> java.net.SocketException: Read failed
>
> I googled & found
> https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/deliverycb-bld.dhe.ibm.com, which
> says "It's not just you-deliverycb-bld.dhe.ibm.com is down".
>
> I skimmed a thread here not that long ago about "
> deliverycb-bld.dhe.ibm.com", in which Kurt might have said to use a
> different server---but I can't find it now.
>
> Is "deliverycb-bld.dhe.ibm.com" temporarily unavailable, or has ShopZ
> sent me to the wrong server?
>
> Thanks,
> Wendell
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Re: Modernize Mainframe Applications for Hybrid Cloud with IBM and AWS

[Ronald Wells]

Dealings with AWS. Just saying , not pleasent

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Not arguing, just unclear: what does that mean? AWS has huge presence in U.S., 
I know lots of folks there.

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> AWS?? May as well kiss your jobs good by, pulled away over seas
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Re: Modernize Mainframe Applications for Hybrid Cloud with IBM and AWS

[zMan]

Not arguing, just unclear: what does that mean? AWS has huge presence in
U.S., I know lots of folks there.

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> AWS?? May as well kiss your jobs good by, pulled away over seas
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Re: Modernize Mainframe Applications for Hybrid Cloud with IBM and AWS

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AWS?? May as well kiss your jobs good by, pulled away over seas

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This is pretty funny if you think about IBM claiming that IBM cloud produces so 
much revenue--then they go and offer something on AWS! Guess they don't believe 
in their own cloud? Or is this a tacit admission that it doesn't exist?
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Re: Introducing IBM Virtual Dev and Test for z/OS

[Tony Harminc]

On Thu, 16 Jun 2022 at 04:46, Timothy Sipples  wrote:
[...]
> Now there's yet another great option: the IBM Virtual Dev and Test for z/OS, 
> generally available THIS FRIDAY. The announcement letter is available here:
> https://www.ibm.com/downloads/cas/US-ENUS222-251-CA/name/US-ENUS222-251-CA.PDF
> And the landing page is here:
> https://www.ibm.com/products/virtual-dev-and-test-zos
>
> This product also provides virtualized z/OS instances on IFLs for 
> development, unit testing, and training. You will need at least 2 IFLs (on an 
> IBM zSystems or LinuxONE server), although they can be potentially shared 
> with other
> workloads. Of course you'll need some memory and disk space. The latter can 
> be any reasonable Linux-attachable storage. (It does not have to be 
> specifically ECKD/FICON-attached.) IBM Virtual Dev and Test for z/OS licenses
> are available via IBM Passport Advantage in your choice of one-time charge 
> license (with annual Subscription & Support) or monthly license (with monthly 
> Subscription & Support). You can start with monthly then switch to one-time
> charge if you wish.

It would be really nice if IBM would explain what this product *is*. I
appreciate that a certain amount of marketing fluff is always
necessary, but even for IBM this is remarkably heavy on the fluff and
light on the details.

All we really know is that IBM seems to be doing what it went to court
with Neon Systems over - running arbitrary z/OS work on "specialty
engines" on z.

Seems to me it's roughly one of two things (but doubtless there are
many possibilities I haven't thought of):

1) It's zPDT compiled for a target of zArch rather than Intel i64.
2) It's some other virtualized - probably container-based way of
dispatching z/OS work on IFLs, with user-friendly infrastructure to
provision (dare I say "orchestrate") VMs and their content.

I think (1) is the more likely based on what can be seen. We know that
IBM has the JIT compiler infrastructure to target zArch, so presumably
it wouldn't be a huge thing to just recompile zPDT and go. The
problems most commonly heard about zPDT are with the licensing
infrastructure and Linux library versions, and not with the emulation
itself, which seems to be very robust. Of course no amount of JITting
is going to run as fast as just dispatching on the native iron, but
presumably the tradeoff of cheap and fast IFLs vs some overhead works
out well.

If it's (2), then this must play into the zCX and related container
stuff that would otherwise seem to be plugging along in a parallel
universe. But the obvious question that arises is why not use one of
the several existing schemes for spinning up virtual machines on z -
whether zVM and its many tools, or UNIXy tools to do the same? These
are fairly mature at this point - certainly the zVM-based ones.

I think (2) is far more the Future than running zPDT on zArch. Maybe
it's just the traditional IBM Way of having competing teams with a
periodic Winner and some Losers, and this battle isn't over yet.

One more little confusing item I noticed: In the announcement letter under
Software requirements
Operating systems
we see:
• Ubuntu Server 22.04 LTS for IBM Z and LinuxONE; IBM z/Architecture(R)
• Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, 18.04 LTS, and 20.04 LTS; x86-64 hardware
• Red Hat(R) Enterprise Linux (RHEL) Server 7 and 8; x86-64 hardware

This is just weird. What are those two Intel Linuxes doing there?
Surely, surely this doesn't in any way involve i64 emulation on real
zArch hardware?

Tony H.

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Re: SFTP JOB Data parameter

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Thu, 16 Jun 2022 14:47:00 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:

>Read up on syscalls('ON'), address syscall and address sh.
>
syscalls('ON') can be used in any environment; address sh
requires that the Rexx script have been started from shell amd
is not enabled by syscalls('ON').

I suspect the rationale is that sh requires descriptors 0, 1, and 2.

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Modernize Mainframe Applications for Hybrid Cloud with IBM and AWS

[zMan]

https://community.ibm.com/community/user/ibmz-and-linuxone/blogs/skyla-loomis/2022/05/09/modernize-for-hybrid-cloud-with-ibm-and-aws

This is pretty funny if you think about IBM claiming that IBM cloud
produces so much revenue--then they go and offer something on AWS! Guess
they don't believe in their own cloud? Or is this a tacit admission that it
doesn't exist?
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Re: Is deliverycb-bld.dhe.ibm.com the wrong host for HTTPS PTF downloads?

[Bill Johnson]

Switched to Chrome from Firefox and deliverycb-bld.dhe.ibm.com worked.


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Thursday, June 16, 2022, 12:00 PM, Bill Johnson 
<0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

I ordered COBOL 6.4 yesterday and tried downloading it this morning and it 
appears deliverycb-bld.dhe.ibm.com is indeed down.


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Thursday, June 16, 2022, 11:52 AM, Wendell Lovewell 
<01e9c0ee0673-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

I'm trying to download service for APAR PH39134 from ShopZ.  

I tried installing Java 8 so I could run the JNLP ShopZ provided, but it always 
displays "Server busy, try again later".

I've tried using the RNFJOBH job provided by ShopZ, but I'm getting:

GIM44336S ** AN UNUSUAL CONDITION OCCURRED. GIMJVGET - 
java.net.SocketException: Read failed 

I googled & found 
https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/deliverycb-bld.dhe.ibm.com, which says 
"It's not just you-deliverycb-bld.dhe.ibm.com is down".

I skimmed a thread here not that long ago about "deliverycb-bld.dhe.ibm.com", 
in which Kurt might have said to use a different server---but I can't find it 
now. 

Is "deliverycb-bld.dhe.ibm.com" temporarily unavailable, or has ShopZ sent me 
to the wrong server? 

Thanks, 
Wendell

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Re: SFTP JOB Data parameter

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Thu, 16 Jun 2022 14:50:18 +, Seymour J Metz  wrote:

>Only from the perspective of the submitter, not from the perspective of the 
>installation.
> 
Which of my two paragraphs are you addrressinig?

In either case, the submitter is the one who cares.

Since (I believe) the system symbol facility antedates the
JCL SET statement, the rule should have been that system
symbols be honored unconditionally in SET with no
compatibility impact.  The programmer could then have used:
// SET jcl-symbol=''
and used  freely subsequently.

>From: Paul Gilmartin
>Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2022 9:27 AM
>
>Doesn't SYMBOLS=({JCLONLY|EXECSYS|CNVTSYS} suffice to resolve that?
>
>There remains the phobia concerning the antiquated use of "&" in temp DSNs.

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Re: Is deliverycb-bld.dhe.ibm.com the wrong host for HTTPS PTF downloads?

[Bill Johnson]

I ordered COBOL 6.4 yesterday and tried downloading it this morning and it 
appears deliverycb-bld.dhe.ibm.com is indeed down.


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Thursday, June 16, 2022, 11:52 AM, Wendell Lovewell 
<01e9c0ee0673-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

I'm trying to download service for APAR PH39134 from ShopZ.  

I tried installing Java 8 so I could run the JNLP ShopZ provided, but it always 
displays "Server busy, try again later".

I've tried using the RNFJOBH job provided by ShopZ, but I'm getting:

GIM44336S ** AN UNUSUAL CONDITION OCCURRED. GIMJVGET - 
java.net.SocketException: Read failed 

I googled & found 
https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/deliverycb-bld.dhe.ibm.com, which says 
"It's not just you-deliverycb-bld.dhe.ibm.com is down".

I skimmed a thread here not that long ago about "deliverycb-bld.dhe.ibm.com", 
in which Kurt might have said to use a different server---but I can't find it 
now. 

Is "deliverycb-bld.dhe.ibm.com" temporarily unavailable, or has ShopZ sent me 
to the wrong server? 

Thanks, 
Wendell

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Re: Is deliverycb-bld.dhe.ibm.com the wrong host for HTTPS PTF downloads?

[Wendell Lovewell]

Wouldn't you know it?  

Just as soon as I posted the question, I tried the JNLP download it it worked.  

Sorry to have troubled you. 

Wendell

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Is deliverycb-bld.dhe.ibm.com the wrong host for HTTPS PTF downloads?

[Wendell Lovewell]

I'm trying to download service for APAR PH39134 from ShopZ.  

I tried installing Java 8 so I could run the JNLP ShopZ provided, but it always 
displays "Server busy, try again later".

I've tried using the RNFJOBH job provided by ShopZ, but I'm getting:

GIM44336S ** AN UNUSUAL CONDITION OCCURRED. GIMJVGET - 
java.net.SocketException: Read failed 

I googled & found 
https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/deliverycb-bld.dhe.ibm.com, which says 
"It's not just you-deliverycb-bld.dhe.ibm.com is down".

I skimmed a thread here not that long ago about "deliverycb-bld.dhe.ibm.com", 
in which Kurt might have said to use a different server---but I can't find it 
now. 

Is "deliverycb-bld.dhe.ibm.com" temporarily unavailable, or has ShopZ sent me 
to the wrong server? 

Thanks, 
Wendell

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Re: SFTP JOB Data parameter

[Seymour J Metz]

Not at all; it's more a case of each poster offering the first solution they 
thought of, which IMHO is appropriate. It's up to the OP to decide which best 
suits his needs.

TMTOWTDI.


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Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2022 11:13 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: SFTP JOB Data parameter

IMO, the contortions in this thread seem to be in search of the most 
complicated solution.
By just using the z/OS UNIX shell in batch, the OP's requirement can be solved 
in a straightforward way.

FWIW, here's how you would do this with Co:Z SFTP and Co:Z Batch, along with 
our sample proc and scripts:

//SFTP EXEC PROC=SFTPPROC  Co:Z SFTP sample proc
//SFTPIN DD *
# This is a z/OS UNIX shell script
# See: 
https://secure-web.cisco.com/1e6tC2pGX9jdX0qpKt1U23CTm05DB7zgn0yrIv3eLICZnPeDHU6w2OfcTld3dgibijWObPkUK_aDzwMTi6GBGtGCvBhkLUIFo_6igWx6NnrGfCHzZKmSFqorjXQeYkJfeFPd3debyxFL-YqlI-iCvXjw7NZUWphRl8vjxQ8GZM3hw70HgtDwSE-Szh3KuTmJ12lmy5adS7H8m6O5ZOtmbt-ukQIPfzfKwbfnAE3iwdNxE8r6WQ0Dr8RklgsmGbdSW27QVHRj412EdXFEMwqzkK9xyNaL6nfGU3gIZIbX-ABgFNW5NkrX0rUPtzelwnBw2CX0zYbxYsD8URhVIhYyKw3B-Cy22l2BhzSLAoPt2wWQzZ1pNq7-qGPgl1wtBV0yQgs5njH8MNN22dNEjXdUWJnSWfQCKfie-BAVE8RFSGBnPUv4R76_GbvEfzawH1ZXw/https%3A%2F%2Fdovetail.com%2Fdocs%2Fsftp%2Fclient.html%23client-batch
#
user=EFTMFGET01
host=10.222.xx.xx
port=
rfile="EBC-GOV-$(sysvar LYYMMDD).txt"

. $script_dir/sftp_connect.sh 

Re: SFTP JOB Data parameter

[Kirk Wolf]

IMO, the contortions in this thread seem to be in search of the most 
complicated solution.
By just using the z/OS UNIX shell in batch, the OP's requirement can be solved 
in a straightforward way.

FWIW, here's how you would do this with Co:Z SFTP and Co:Z Batch, along with 
our sample proc and scripts:

//SFTP EXEC PROC=SFTPPROC  Co:Z SFTP sample proc
//SFTPIN DD *
# This is a z/OS UNIX shell script
# See: https://dovetail.com/docs/sftp/client.html#client-batch
#
user=EFTMFGET01
host=10.222.xx.xx
port=
rfile="EBC-GOV-$(sysvar LYYMMDD).txt"
   
. $script_dir/sftp_connect.sh 

Re: Introducing IBM Virtual Dev and Test for z/OS

[Farley, Peter x23353]

That thought also crossed my mind when reading the data at the "landing page" 
that Timothy provided, but as usual pricing is the real issue.

I would think IBM could price it like they proposed to do with the Learner's 
Edition of ZD, and it would be less burdensome for them because no dongle 
need be distributed since the cloud version on z/Linux can use an IBM license 
server.

But that is thinking logically, and who knows how IBM will think about it.

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Lionel B. Dyck
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2022 10:55 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Introducing IBM Virtual Dev and Test for z/OS

If IBM hosted then it would seem a better option than the ZDNT Learners Edition 
for students/hobbyists who want to code/develop without having to be s systems 
programmer. 


Lionel B. Dyck <><
Website: 
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Farley, Peter x23353
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2022 09:44 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Introducing IBM Virtual Dev and Test for z/OS

Lionel,

That's what I was wondering myself, but after checking the "landing page"
that Timothy provided, it looks like it is meant for on-premises use by 
existing z hardware customers - It's running on z/Linux on IFL's (min of 2) on 
your z hardware or on Wazi hardware in the IBM cloud.

No mention of x86 or students in there from what I could see.  And no pricing 
information at all, just "see your friendly IBM representative".

But I do hope Timothy answers as well, this is just my reading of the data he 
provided.

Peter

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Lionel B. Dyck
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2022 9:39 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Introducing IBM Virtual Dev and Test for z/OS

Is this an alternative to the ZDNT Learners Edition?

What's the cost?  Can hobbyists use it?


Lionel B. Dyck <><
Website:
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.lbdsoftware.com__;!!Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8
HSAI-g_K5b7VKg!PWNjDuIXI2E9ayvAZqhD4UpV2YEbt9O2_s0W-hzk2U3s5xk2AR2lgD_cVrdiY
uBeI6Dh0J1oNJR1tRJzYOs$
Github:
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/lbdyck__;!!Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HS
AI-g_K5b7VKg!PWNjDuIXI2E9ayvAZqhD4UpV2YEbt9O2_s0W-hzk2U3s5xk2AR2lgD_cVrdiYuB
eI6Dh0J1oNJR1HE-FJiU$ 

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are, reputation merely what others think you are."   - - - John Wooden

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Timothy Sipples
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2022 03:46 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Introducing IBM Virtual Dev and Test for z/OS

IBM Wazi as a Service provides near instant (within just a few minutes), on 
demand access to z/OS instances for development, unit testing, and training.
These instances run in IBM Cloud, and the performance is excellent since they 
run on real mainframes. Wazi as a Service is in limited preview now and will be 
more generally available this year. See here for more information:

https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ibm.com/cloud/wazi-as-a-service__;!!
Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HSAI-g_K5b7VKg!PWNjDuIXI2E9ayvAZqhD4UpV2YEbt9O2_s0W-hzk2U3s5
xk2AR2lgD_cVrdiYuBeI6Dh0J1oNJR1zpaVZ_A$ 

One question we got is, "Great, but can I also do this on premises?" Well, yes, 
you "always" could/can with development LPARs and z/VM guests. And also on your 
Linux PC (or a X86 server) with the IBM Z Development and Test Environment 
(ZD), although in that case it's real z/OS but with emulation overhead.

Now there's yet another great option: the IBM Virtual Dev and Test for z/OS, 
generally available THIS FRIDAY. The announcement letter is available here:

https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ibm.com/downloads/cas/US-ENUS222-251
-CA/name/US-ENUS222-251-CA.P__;!!Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HSAI-g_K5b7VKg!PWNjDuIXI2E9
ayvAZqhD4UpV2YEbt9O2_s0W-hzk2U3s5xk2AR2lgD_cVrdiYuBeI6Dh0J1oNJR1qOF_h_E$
DF

And the landing page is here:

https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ibm.com/products/virtual-dev-and-tes
t-zos__;!!Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HSAI-g_K5b7VKg!PWNjDuIXI2E9ayvAZqhD4UpV2YEbt9O2_s0
W-hzk2U3s5xk2AR2lgD_cVrdiYuBeI6Dh0J1oNJR13Gg4FHw$ 

This product also provides virtualized z/OS instances on IFLs for development, 
unit testing, and training. You will need at least 2 IFLs (on an IBM zSystems 
or LinuxONE server), although they can be potentially shared with other 
workloads. Of course 

Re: Introducing IBM Virtual Dev and Test for z/OS

[Lionel B. Dyck]

If IBM hosted then it would seem a better option than the ZDNT Learners
Edition for students/hobbyists who want to code/develop without having to be
s systems programmer. 


Lionel B. Dyck <><
Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com
Github: https://github.com/lbdyck

"Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you
are, reputation merely what others think you are."   - - - John Wooden

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of
Farley, Peter x23353
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2022 09:44 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Introducing IBM Virtual Dev and Test for z/OS

Lionel,

That's what I was wondering myself, but after checking the "landing page"
that Timothy provided, it looks like it is meant for on-premises use by
existing z hardware customers - It's running on z/Linux on IFL's (min of 2)
on your z hardware or on Wazi hardware in the IBM cloud.

No mention of x86 or students in there from what I could see.  And no
pricing information at all, just "see your friendly IBM representative".

But I do hope Timothy answers as well, this is just my reading of the data
he provided.

Peter

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of
Lionel B. Dyck
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2022 9:39 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Introducing IBM Virtual Dev and Test for z/OS

Is this an alternative to the ZDNT Learners Edition?

What's the cost?  Can hobbyists use it?


Lionel B. Dyck <><
Website:
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.lbdsoftware.com__;!!Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8
HSAI-g_K5b7VKg!PWNjDuIXI2E9ayvAZqhD4UpV2YEbt9O2_s0W-hzk2U3s5xk2AR2lgD_cVrdiY
uBeI6Dh0J1oNJR1tRJzYOs$
Github:
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/lbdyck__;!!Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HS
AI-g_K5b7VKg!PWNjDuIXI2E9ayvAZqhD4UpV2YEbt9O2_s0W-hzk2U3s5xk2AR2lgD_cVrdiYuB
eI6Dh0J1oNJR1HE-FJiU$ 

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are, reputation merely what others think you are."   - - - John Wooden

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of
Timothy Sipples
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2022 03:46 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Introducing IBM Virtual Dev and Test for z/OS

IBM Wazi as a Service provides near instant (within just a few minutes), on
demand access to z/OS instances for development, unit testing, and training.
These instances run in IBM Cloud, and the performance is excellent since
they run on real mainframes. Wazi as a Service is in limited preview now and
will be more generally available this year. See here for more information:

https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ibm.com/cloud/wazi-as-a-service__;!!
Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HSAI-g_K5b7VKg!PWNjDuIXI2E9ayvAZqhD4UpV2YEbt9O2_s0W-hzk2U3s5
xk2AR2lgD_cVrdiYuBeI6Dh0J1oNJR1zpaVZ_A$ 

One question we got is, "Great, but can I also do this on premises?" Well,
yes, you "always" could/can with development LPARs and z/VM guests. And also
on your Linux PC (or a X86 server) with the IBM Z Development and Test
Environment (ZD), although in that case it's real z/OS but with emulation
overhead.

Now there's yet another great option: the IBM Virtual Dev and Test for z/OS,
generally available THIS FRIDAY. The announcement letter is available here:

https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ibm.com/downloads/cas/US-ENUS222-251
-CA/name/US-ENUS222-251-CA.P__;!!Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HSAI-g_K5b7VKg!PWNjDuIXI2E9
ayvAZqhD4UpV2YEbt9O2_s0W-hzk2U3s5xk2AR2lgD_cVrdiYuBeI6Dh0J1oNJR1qOF_h_E$
DF

And the landing page is here:

https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ibm.com/products/virtual-dev-and-tes
t-zos__;!!Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HSAI-g_K5b7VKg!PWNjDuIXI2E9ayvAZqhD4UpV2YEbt9O2_s0
W-hzk2U3s5xk2AR2lgD_cVrdiYuBeI6Dh0J1oNJR13Gg4FHw$ 

This product also provides virtualized z/OS instances on IFLs for
development, unit testing, and training. You will need at least 2 IFLs (on
an IBM zSystems or LinuxONE server), although they can be potentially shared
with other workloads. Of course you'll need some memory and disk space. The
latter can be any reasonable Linux-attachable storage. (It does not have to
be specifically ECKD/FICON-attached.) IBM Virtual Dev and Test for z/OS
licenses are available via IBM Passport Advantage in your choice of one-time
charge license (with annual Subscription & Support) or monthly license (with
monthly Subscription & Support). You can start with monthly then switch to
one-time charge if you wish.

Did I mention it's generally available this Friday? :-)

Speaking to z/OS system programmers and other operators for a moment (and my
personal views here, as always)... The intention behind these offerings is
to make sure developers have whatever they need without constraints or
delay. Let them do their jobs and be productive at speed. If each developer
wants her own z/OS instance, FINE. If the developer "destroys" that z/OS
instance, no problem, the developer can spin up another one from "last known
good." (That's part of learning, and that's 

Re: SFTP JOB Data parameter

[Seymour J Metz]

Only from the perspective of the submitter, not from the perspective of the 
installation.


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http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
Paul Gilmartin [042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2022 9:27 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: SFTP JOB Data parameter

On Thu, 16 Jun 2022 13:09:53 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:

>This has been discussed here many times. The issue is that the results vary 
>depending on ehrn and where you evaluate them.
>
Doesn't SYMBOLS=({JCLONLY|EXECSYS|CNVTSYS} suffice to resolve that?

There remains the phobia concerning the antiquated use of "&" in temp DSNs.

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Re: SFTP JOB Data parameter

[Seymour J Metz]

Read up on syscalls('ON'), address syscall and address sh.


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saurabh khandelwal [sourabhkhandelwal...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2022 11:31 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: SFTP JOB Data parameter

Hello Paul,

If I use rexx then how will I be able to use shell command in same job

On Wed, Jun 15, 2022, 17:08 Paul Gilmartin <
042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> On Wed, 15 Jun 2022 13:11:05 +, Seymour J Metz  wrote:
>
> >Write a REXX script to do the file transfer. You can use the date('S')
> function to generate the date in the format mmdd, then parse out the
> component to build your dsn.
> >
> I would have done something similar.  But the OP was on a promising track,
> however circuitous, even reporting a partial success.  Let's not deflect
> him.
>
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Re: Introducing IBM Virtual Dev and Test for z/OS

[Farley, Peter x23353]

Lionel,

That's what I was wondering myself, but after checking the "landing page" that 
Timothy provided, it looks like it is meant for on-premises use by existing z 
hardware customers - It's running on z/Linux on IFL's (min of 2) on your z 
hardware or on Wazi hardware in the IBM cloud.

No mention of x86 or students in there from what I could see.  And no pricing 
information at all, just "see your friendly IBM representative".

But I do hope Timothy answers as well, this is just my reading of the data he 
provided.

Peter

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Lionel B. Dyck
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2022 9:39 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Introducing IBM Virtual Dev and Test for z/OS

Is this an alternative to the ZDNT Learners Edition?

What's the cost?  Can hobbyists use it?


Lionel B. Dyck <><
Website: 
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.lbdsoftware.com__;!!Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HSAI-g_K5b7VKg!PWNjDuIXI2E9ayvAZqhD4UpV2YEbt9O2_s0W-hzk2U3s5xk2AR2lgD_cVrdiYuBeI6Dh0J1oNJR1tRJzYOs$
 
Github: 
https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://github.com/lbdyck__;!!Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HSAI-g_K5b7VKg!PWNjDuIXI2E9ayvAZqhD4UpV2YEbt9O2_s0W-hzk2U3s5xk2AR2lgD_cVrdiYuBeI6Dh0J1oNJR1HE-FJiU$
 

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are, reputation merely what others think you are."   - - - John Wooden

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of
Timothy Sipples
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2022 03:46 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Introducing IBM Virtual Dev and Test for z/OS

IBM Wazi as a Service provides near instant (within just a few minutes), on
demand access to z/OS instances for development, unit testing, and training.
These instances run in IBM Cloud, and the performance is excellent since
they run on real mainframes. Wazi as a Service is in limited preview now and
will be more generally available this year. See here for more information:

https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ibm.com/cloud/wazi-as-a-service__;!!Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HSAI-g_K5b7VKg!PWNjDuIXI2E9ayvAZqhD4UpV2YEbt9O2_s0W-hzk2U3s5xk2AR2lgD_cVrdiYuBeI6Dh0J1oNJR1zpaVZ_A$
 

One question we got is, "Great, but can I also do this on premises?" Well,
yes, you "always" could/can with development LPARs and z/VM guests. And also
on your Linux PC (or a X86 server) with the IBM Z Development and Test
Environment (ZD), although in that case it's real z/OS but with emulation
overhead.

Now there's yet another great option: the IBM Virtual Dev and Test for z/OS,
generally available THIS FRIDAY. The announcement letter is available here:

https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ibm.com/downloads/cas/US-ENUS222-251-CA/name/US-ENUS222-251-CA.P__;!!Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HSAI-g_K5b7VKg!PWNjDuIXI2E9ayvAZqhD4UpV2YEbt9O2_s0W-hzk2U3s5xk2AR2lgD_cVrdiYuBeI6Dh0J1oNJR1qOF_h_E$
 
DF

And the landing page is here:

https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ibm.com/products/virtual-dev-and-test-zos__;!!Ebr-cpPeAnfNniQ8HSAI-g_K5b7VKg!PWNjDuIXI2E9ayvAZqhD4UpV2YEbt9O2_s0W-hzk2U3s5xk2AR2lgD_cVrdiYuBeI6Dh0J1oNJR13Gg4FHw$
 

This product also provides virtualized z/OS instances on IFLs for
development, unit testing, and training. You will need at least 2 IFLs (on
an IBM zSystems or LinuxONE server), although they can be potentially shared
with other workloads. Of course you'll need some memory and disk space. The
latter can be any reasonable Linux-attachable storage. (It does not have to
be specifically ECKD/FICON-attached.) IBM Virtual Dev and Test for z/OS
licenses are available via IBM Passport Advantage in your choice of one-time
charge license (with annual Subscription & Support) or monthly license (with
monthly Subscription & Support). You can start with monthly then switch to
one-time charge if you wish.

Did I mention it's generally available this Friday? :-)

Speaking to z/OS system programmers and other operators for a moment (and my
personal views here, as always)... The intention behind these offerings is
to make sure developers have whatever they need without constraints or
delay. Let them do their jobs and be productive at speed. If each developer
wants her own z/OS instance, FINE. If the developer "destroys" that z/OS
instance, no problem, the developer can spin up another one from "last known
good." (That's part of learning, and that's a good thing.) And if you won't
let developers develop (and unit test), and maybe even stumble once in a
while, we'll do it...with a very reasonable hourly rate for IBM Wazi as a
Service, with "walk up" service just a few clicks/taps away from anywhere.
But you can do it, too, so go do it (too), OK?

With both Wazi as a Service and IBM Virtual Dev and Test for z/OS developers
can use the pre-built "ADCD" z/OS image or use a tool IBM provides to take a
"snapshot" of the current development LPAR(s) and use that as a starting
point. These z/OS instances can be automated, and we encourage that, so they
can be used for DevOps 

Re: SFTP JOB Data parameter

[Seymour J Metz]

The issue is when and where to evaluate.


--
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http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3


From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
Farley, Peter x23353 [031df298a9da-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2022 1:26 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: SFTP JOB Data parameter

Thanks Sri, I did not know about SYSSYM=ALLOW.  But that raises the question 
why NOT always allow system symbols in every batch initiator?  Allowing them 
just seems like a no-brainer to me, but then I'm just an application programmer 
who expects to be able to use all of the available tools to get the job done.

Peter

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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of Sri 
h Kolusu
Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2022 1:15 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: SFTP JOB Data parameter

>> Why is EZACFSM1 required to use  in an instream DD?  Couldn't the OP 
>> just use:

Peter,

Not all shops SYSSYM=ALLOW defined. So if your jobclass is NOT defined to allow 
symbols, the symbols will not be translated.  However with program EZACFSM1 
will translate all the symbols defined to the system.


Thanks,
Kolusu
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Re: SFTP JOB Data parameter

[Steve Smith]

I wish that IBM had (or would) support the SYMBOLS= keyword on JOB
statements to allow system symbols in the JCL.  The current jobclass spec
would still be the default; and SYMBOLS=JCLONLY would still be the default
default.

sas

On Thu, Jun 16, 2022 at 9:27 AM Paul Gilmartin <
042bfe9c879d-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> On Thu, 16 Jun 2022 13:09:53 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>
> >This has been discussed here many times. The issue is that the results
> vary depending on ehrn and where you evaluate them.
> >
> Doesn't SYMBOLS=({JCLONLY|EXECSYS|CNVTSYS} suffice to resolve that?
>
> There remains the phobia concerning the antiquated use of "&" in temp DSNs.
>
> --
> gil
>
>

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Re: Introducing IBM Virtual Dev and Test for z/OS

[Lionel B. Dyck]

Is this an alternative to the ZDNT Learners Edition?

What's the cost?  Can hobbyists use it?


Lionel B. Dyck <><
Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com
Github: https://github.com/lbdyck

"Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you
are, reputation merely what others think you are."   - - - John Wooden

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of
Timothy Sipples
Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2022 03:46 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Introducing IBM Virtual Dev and Test for z/OS

IBM Wazi as a Service provides near instant (within just a few minutes), on
demand access to z/OS instances for development, unit testing, and training.
These instances run in IBM Cloud, and the performance is excellent since
they run on real mainframes. Wazi as a Service is in limited preview now and
will be more generally available this year. See here for more information:

https://www.ibm.com/cloud/wazi-as-a-service

One question we got is, "Great, but can I also do this on premises?" Well,
yes, you "always" could/can with development LPARs and z/VM guests. And also
on your Linux PC (or a X86 server) with the IBM Z Development and Test
Environment (ZD), although in that case it's real z/OS but with emulation
overhead.

Now there's yet another great option: the IBM Virtual Dev and Test for z/OS,
generally available THIS FRIDAY. The announcement letter is available here:

https://www.ibm.com/downloads/cas/US-ENUS222-251-CA/name/US-ENUS222-251-CA.P
DF

And the landing page is here:

https://www.ibm.com/products/virtual-dev-and-test-zos

This product also provides virtualized z/OS instances on IFLs for
development, unit testing, and training. You will need at least 2 IFLs (on
an IBM zSystems or LinuxONE server), although they can be potentially shared
with other workloads. Of course you'll need some memory and disk space. The
latter can be any reasonable Linux-attachable storage. (It does not have to
be specifically ECKD/FICON-attached.) IBM Virtual Dev and Test for z/OS
licenses are available via IBM Passport Advantage in your choice of one-time
charge license (with annual Subscription & Support) or monthly license (with
monthly Subscription & Support). You can start with monthly then switch to
one-time charge if you wish.

Did I mention it's generally available this Friday? :-)

Speaking to z/OS system programmers and other operators for a moment (and my
personal views here, as always)... The intention behind these offerings is
to make sure developers have whatever they need without constraints or
delay. Let them do their jobs and be productive at speed. If each developer
wants her own z/OS instance, FINE. If the developer "destroys" that z/OS
instance, no problem, the developer can spin up another one from "last known
good." (That's part of learning, and that's a good thing.) And if you won't
let developers develop (and unit test), and maybe even stumble once in a
while, we'll do it...with a very reasonable hourly rate for IBM Wazi as a
Service, with "walk up" service just a few clicks/taps away from anywhere.
But you can do it, too, so go do it (too), OK?

With both Wazi as a Service and IBM Virtual Dev and Test for z/OS developers
can use the pre-built "ADCD" z/OS image or use a tool IBM provides to take a
"snapshot" of the current development LPAR(s) and use that as a starting
point. These z/OS instances can be automated, and we encourage that, so they
can be used for DevOps pipelines with automated unit testing.

Have fun.

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Senior Architect
Digital Assets, Industry Solutions, and Cybersecurity IBM zSystems/LinuxONE,
Asia-Pacific sipp...@sg.ibm.com


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Re: SFTP JOB Data parameter

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Thu, 16 Jun 2022 13:09:53 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:

>This has been discussed here many times. The issue is that the results vary 
>depending on ehrn and where you evaluate them.
> 
Doesn't SYMBOLS=({JCLONLY|EXECSYS|CNVTSYS} suffice to resolve that?

There remains the phobia concerning the antiquated use of "&" in temp DSNs.

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Re: SFTP JOB Data parameter

[Seymour J Metz]

This has been discussed here many times. The issue is that the results vary 
depending on ehrn and where you evaluate them.


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On Wed, 15 Jun 2022 17:26:32 +, Farley, Peter x23353  wrote:

>Thanks Sri, I did not know about SYSSYM=ALLOW.  But that raises the question 
>why NOT always allow system symbols in every batch initiator?  Allowing them 
>just seems like a no-brainer to me, but then I'm just an application 
>programmer who expects to be able to use all of the available tools to get the 
>job done.
>
Do thoughtless admins keep sensitive information such as
passwords in system symbols?

Is there a performance concern?

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Will SFTP work with DSFS?

[Paul Gilmartin]

Will SFTP work with DSFS?

Just wondering.

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Re: SFTP JOB Data parameter

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Wed, 15 Jun 2022 18:31:04 +0300, saurabh khandelwal  wrote:
>
>If I use rexx then how will I be able to use shell command in same job
> 
In this thread, everyone seems to be advocating his favorite utility.
I'll add mine: .
BPXWUNIX is a very flexible tool for issuing UNIX commands from
Rexx in any environment, TSO, IRXJCLL, or OMVS.

You can use the Rexx date() to build the "get" command.

You can then copy the retrieved file elsewhere in the same script.

I never mastered OGET.  IEBGENER suffices for me and does not
impose a requirement of TSO.

One word of caution:  Be sure that your Windows and z/OS are
set to the same timezone (both Windows and z/OS are notoriously
bad at handling timezones), and that your batch job runs on the
same day the file was created.

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Re: SFTP JOB Data parameter

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Wed, 15 Jun 2022 17:26:32 +, Farley, Peter x23353  wrote:

>Thanks Sri, I did not know about SYSSYM=ALLOW.  But that raises the question 
>why NOT always allow system symbols in every batch initiator?  Allowing them 
>just seems like a no-brainer to me, but then I'm just an application 
>programmer who expects to be able to use all of the available tools to get the 
>job done.
> 
Do thoughtless admins keep sensitive information such as
passwords in system symbols?

Is there a performance concern?

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Introducing IBM Virtual Dev and Test for z/OS

[Timothy Sipples]

IBM Wazi as a Service provides near instant (within just a few minutes), on 
demand access to z/OS instances for development, unit testing, and training. 
These instances run in IBM Cloud, and the performance is excellent since they 
run on real mainframes. Wazi as a Service is in limited preview now and will be 
more generally available this year. See here for more information:

https://www.ibm.com/cloud/wazi-as-a-service

One question we got is, "Great, but can I also do this on premises?" Well, yes, 
you "always" could/can with development LPARs and z/VM guests. And also on your 
Linux PC (or a X86 server) with the IBM Z Development and Test Environment 
(ZD), although in that case it's real z/OS but with emulation overhead.

Now there's yet another great option: the IBM Virtual Dev and Test for z/OS, 
generally available THIS FRIDAY. The announcement letter is available here:

https://www.ibm.com/downloads/cas/US-ENUS222-251-CA/name/US-ENUS222-251-CA.PDF

And the landing page is here:

https://www.ibm.com/products/virtual-dev-and-test-zos

This product also provides virtualized z/OS instances on IFLs for development, 
unit testing, and training. You will need at least 2 IFLs (on an IBM zSystems 
or LinuxONE server), although they can be potentially shared with other 
workloads. Of course you'll need some memory and disk space. The latter can be 
any reasonable Linux-attachable storage. (It does not have to be specifically 
ECKD/FICON-attached.) IBM Virtual Dev and Test for z/OS licenses are available 
via IBM Passport Advantage in your choice of one-time charge license (with 
annual Subscription & Support) or monthly license (with monthly Subscription & 
Support). You can start with monthly then switch to one-time charge if you wish.

Did I mention it's generally available this Friday? :-)

Speaking to z/OS system programmers and other operators for a moment (and my 
personal views here, as always)... The intention behind these offerings is to 
make sure developers have whatever they need without constraints or delay. Let 
them do their jobs and be productive at speed. If each developer wants her own 
z/OS instance, FINE. If the developer "destroys" that z/OS instance, no 
problem, the developer can spin up another one from "last known good." (That's 
part of learning, and that's a good thing.) And if you won't let developers 
develop (and unit test), and maybe even stumble once in a while, we'll do 
it...with a very reasonable hourly rate for IBM Wazi as a Service, with "walk 
up" service just a few clicks/taps away from anywhere. But you can do it, too, 
so go do it (too), OK?

With both Wazi as a Service and IBM Virtual Dev and Test for z/OS developers 
can use the pre-built "ADCD" z/OS image or use a tool IBM provides to take a 
"snapshot" of the current development LPAR(s) and use that as a starting point. 
These z/OS instances can be automated, and we encourage that, so they can be 
used for DevOps pipelines with automated unit testing.

Have fun.

— — — — —
Timothy Sipples
Senior Architect
Digital Assets, Industry Solutions, and Cybersecurity
IBM zSystems/LinuxONE, Asia-Pacific
sipp...@sg.ibm.com


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