Re: A Million Years

[Mike Schwab]

I think it is used when you don't have a security server up.

On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 6:31 PM Seymour J Metz  wrote:
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> Yes, that is how TSO uses UADS. It's supported, but is anybody still using it?
>
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> On Mon, 17 Oct 2022 13:27:14 -0500, Jay Maynard wrote:
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> >Wasn't an official utility, but IPOUPDTE was provided with the CBIPO
> >software delivery to do that job.
> >
> Did it update-in-place?  Does it work on PDSE?
>
> I understand that UADS was (is?) maintained by update-in-place and
> that if a member needed to be extended another member was created
> distinguished by an eighth character appended to the TSO ID.  I
> understand that was the principal reason for limiting TSO IDs to
> seven characters.
>
> >On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 1:25 PM Steve Beaver wrote:
> >
> >> A million years ago the  was an IBM Batch Utility to change strings
> >>
> >> In a PDS.
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Re: A Million Years

[Seymour J Metz]

Yes, that is how TSO uses UADS. It's supported, but is anybody still using it?


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On Mon, 17 Oct 2022 13:27:14 -0500, Jay Maynard wrote:

>Wasn't an official utility, but IPOUPDTE was provided with the CBIPO
>software delivery to do that job.
>
Did it update-in-place?  Does it work on PDSE?

I understand that UADS was (is?) maintained by update-in-place and
that if a member needed to be extended another member was created
distinguished by an eighth character appended to the TSO ID.  I
understand that was the principal reason for limiting TSO IDs to
seven characters.

>On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 1:25 PM Steve Beaver wrote:
>
>> A million years ago the  was an IBM Batch Utility to change strings
>>
>> In a PDS.

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Re: A Million Years

[Seymour J Metz]

While PDS and StarTools can be used in batch TSO, I believe that the OP is 
asking about utilities provided by IBM.


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https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbttape.org%2Ffreepds.htm&data=05%7C01%7Csmetz3%40gmu.edu%7C3a487c9517f54b678a4308dab09012af%7C9e857255df574c47a0c00546460380cb%7C0%7C0%7C638016430099902266%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=WHzLr%2BOjfxIBXrvtYqupqmNt1zKu0EPRVHeNJoXbtK8%3D&reserved=0
PDS V 8.6 is current.

On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 5:22 PM William J Bishop  wrote:
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> Are you talking about IPOUPDTE (?) ?
>
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 1:26 PM Steve Beaver  wrote:
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> > A million years ago the  was an IBM Batch Utility to change strings
> >
> > In a PDS.
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> >
> >
> > Does anyone remember the name of that utility?
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Re: A Million Years

[Mike Schwab]

https://www.cbttape.org/freepds.htm
PDS V 8.6 is current.

On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 5:22 PM William J Bishop  wrote:
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> Are you talking about IPOUPDTE (?) ?
>
> On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 1:26 PM Steve Beaver  wrote:
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> > A million years ago the  was an IBM Batch Utility to change strings
> >
> > In a PDS.
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> >
> > Does anyone remember the name of that utility?
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Re: z16 ETS setup question - where's the best documentation?

[Tom Brennan]

On a z16 I'm involved with I noticed the Customized Planning Aid has a 
section on ETS, including this paragraph:


"External Time Source (ETS) IP network considerations: For redundancy 
and resiliency, The IP addresses ETS1 and ETS2 must be configured on 
different subnets. When planning the Ethernet based External Time Source 
  network, it is required that two separate subnets corresponding to 
ETS1and ETS2 are routable to the desired NTP/PTP time source(s)."


And maybe there's more in that chapter that might help.

To get the planning aid (if you don't know), logon to Resource Link, go 
to the z16 section, find "Customized planning aids" and there you have 
to order the document for your machine and download it an hour or so later.


On 10/17/2022 1:03 PM, Ambros, Thomas wrote:

We've been looking but haven't been finding.

What has us puzzled is the ETS/STP interface setup on the SE.  The machine is 
on a /24 vlan.  If we try to define each ETS LAN Adapter with an IP address and 
interface subnet mask where the IP addresses are in the same subnet there is an 
address conflict and the second configuration can't be saved.  So we defined 
subnet masks that worked as a subset of the /24 vlan and keeping the two IP 
addresses in their own range we were able to save the ETS LAN Adapter configs:

ETS1 10.xx.xx.2 mask 255.255.255.0, ETS2 10.xx.xx.3 mask 255.255.255.0, 
conflict.

ETS1 10.xx.xx.2 mask 255.255.255.192, ETS2 10.xx.xx.66 mask 255.255.255.192, no 
conflict.

That sort of makes sense.   I probably will go back in and change the subnet 
mask so we move the second IP address nearer the first just to be tidy but it 
isn't necessary because there's nothing on that entire vlan except the z 
machines.

However, there is a single selection for the default gateway - you can choose 
ETS1 or ETS2.  It made sense that we'd use ETS1 and the default gateway of 
10.xx.xx.1 which matches up to the vlan.  That works.  Just for fun we changed 
off that definition and sure enough the STP network's ETS connectivity test 
failed.Default gateway must match the vlan.

The single interface for the default gateway leaves us puzzled.  If ETS1 fails 
for some reason, we think we're going to have to go in and reconfigure ETS2 to 
maintain our timer network.  We can't be thinking right.

Has anybody encountered good documentation on the setup, better than Redbooks 
like the Server Time Protocol setup guide that mention in passing that things 
have changed but don't specify how?  The z16 Tech Guide doesn't appear to have 
any good info, either, unless I am totally overlooking it.

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Re: A Million Years

[William J Bishop]

Are you talking about IPOUPDTE (?) ?

On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 1:26 PM Steve Beaver  wrote:

> A million years ago the  was an IBM Batch Utility to change strings
>
> In a PDS.
>
>
>
> Does anyone remember the name of that utility?
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Re: A Million Years

[Seymour J Metz]

By default, IEBUPDTE replaces the member; you need to explicitly request it to 
get update in place. IEBUPDTE only requires sequence numbers if you are editing 
by sequence number, but in practice that'a almost always. PDSE should not be an 
issue.


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Sent: Monday, October 17, 2022 4:15 PM
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Subject: Re: A Million Years

On Mon, 17 Oct 2022 19:32:45 +, Bill Johnson wrote:

>Is IEBUPDTE still around? I know it could change strings but had limits 
>regarding record length.
>
Are those limits any harsher than those of a keypunch?  Why worry.

It appears to update-in-place:


Does it work on PDSE?

Are the sequence numbers required?  (What if you drop your thumb drive?)

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Re: A Million Years

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Mon, 17 Oct 2022 19:32:45 +, Bill Johnson wrote:

>Is IEBUPDTE still around? I know it could change strings but had limits 
>regarding record length.
>
Are those limits any harsher than those of a keypunch?  Why worry.

It appears to update-in-place:


Does it work on PDSE?

Are the sequence numbers required?  (What if you drop your thumb drive?)

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z16 ETS setup question - where's the best documentation?

[Ambros, Thomas]

We've been looking but haven't been finding.

What has us puzzled is the ETS/STP interface setup on the SE.  The machine is 
on a /24 vlan.  If we try to define each ETS LAN Adapter with an IP address and 
interface subnet mask where the IP addresses are in the same subnet there is an 
address conflict and the second configuration can't be saved.  So we defined 
subnet masks that worked as a subset of the /24 vlan and keeping the two IP 
addresses in their own range we were able to save the ETS LAN Adapter configs:

ETS1 10.xx.xx.2 mask 255.255.255.0, ETS2 10.xx.xx.3 mask 255.255.255.0, 
conflict.

ETS1 10.xx.xx.2 mask 255.255.255.192, ETS2 10.xx.xx.66 mask 255.255.255.192, no 
conflict.

That sort of makes sense.   I probably will go back in and change the subnet 
mask so we move the second IP address nearer the first just to be tidy but it 
isn't necessary because there's nothing on that entire vlan except the z 
machines.

However, there is a single selection for the default gateway - you can choose 
ETS1 or ETS2.  It made sense that we'd use ETS1 and the default gateway of 
10.xx.xx.1 which matches up to the vlan.  That works.  Just for fun we changed 
off that definition and sure enough the STP network's ETS connectivity test 
failed.Default gateway must match the vlan.

The single interface for the default gateway leaves us puzzled.  If ETS1 fails 
for some reason, we think we're going to have to go in and reconfigure ETS2 to 
maintain our timer network.  We can't be thinking right.

Has anybody encountered good documentation on the setup, better than Redbooks 
like the Server Time Protocol setup guide that mention in passing that things 
have changed but don't specify how?  The z16 Tech Guide doesn't appear to have 
any good info, either, unless I am totally overlooking it.

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Re: A Million Years

[Seymour J Metz]

Yes, but I doubt that it sees much use. As batch update programs go it's pretty 
basic.


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Is IEBUPDTE still around? I know it could change strings but had limits 
regarding record length.


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On Monday, October 17, 2022, 2:24 PM, Steve Beaver  
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A million years ago the  was an IBM Batch Utility to change strings

In a PDS.



Does anyone remember the name of that utility?


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Re: A Million Years

[Bill Johnson]

Is IEBUPDTE still around? I know it could change strings but had limits 
regarding record length.


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On Monday, October 17, 2022, 2:24 PM, Steve Beaver  
wrote:

A million years ago the  was an IBM Batch Utility to change strings

In a PDS.

 

Does anyone remember the name of that utility?


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Re: A Million Years

[Seymour J Metz]

CPPUPPDTE and IPOUPDTE are the two names it went by. It was a supported part of 
the IPO, etc., methodology.


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A million years ago the  was an IBM Batch Utility to change strings

In a PDS.



Does anyone remember the name of that utility?


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Re: A Million Years

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Mon, 17 Oct 2022 13:27:14 -0500, Jay Maynard wrote:

>Wasn't an official utility, but IPOUPDTE was provided with the CBIPO
>software delivery to do that job.
>
Did it update-in-place?  Does it work on PDSE?

I understand that UADS was (is?) maintained by update-in-place and
that if a member needed to be extended another member was created
distinguished by an eighth character appended to the TSO ID.  I
understand that was the principal reason for limiting TSO IDs to
seven characters.

>On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 1:25 PM Steve Beaver wrote:
>
>> A million years ago the  was an IBM Batch Utility to change strings
>>
>> In a PDS.

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Re: A Million Years

[Carmen Vitullo]

On 10/17/2022 1:27 PM, Jay Maynard wrote:

Wasn't an official utility, but IPOUPDTE was provided with the CBIPO
software delivery to do that job.

On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 1:25 PM Steve Beaver  wrote:


A million years ago the  was an IBM Batch Utility to change strings

In a PDS.



Does anyone remember the name of that utility?


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I think this was the same utility provided in the ServerPac package, 
CPPUPDTE



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Re: A Million Years

[Jay Maynard]

Wasn't an official utility, but IPOUPDTE was provided with the CBIPO
software delivery to do that job.

On Mon, Oct 17, 2022 at 1:25 PM Steve Beaver  wrote:

> A million years ago the  was an IBM Batch Utility to change strings
>
> In a PDS.
>
>
>
> Does anyone remember the name of that utility?
>
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A Million Years

[Steve Beaver]

A million years ago the  was an IBM Batch Utility to change strings

In a PDS.

 

Does anyone remember the name of that utility?


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Re: zOS 1.13 (really) how copy MVS loadmod from ZFS to PDSE

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Mon, 17 Oct 2022 11:52:09 -0500, Kirk Wolf wrote:

>I've seen that when there isn't enough memory to start java.   Always seemed 
>like bad coding to me ;-)
> 
Yup.  I've had such happen to me, and IBM replied, "Increase your REGION."

Why are we still bound by habits formed when storage cost a buck per byte
?

Why isn't required REGION an attribute of program objects, sparing
programmers the need to code it in JCL?


>On Sat, Oct 15, 2022, at 8:55 AM, Nightwatch RenBand wrote:
>> Finally did the simple thing from omvs cmd line
>> java -version
>> And got S-0C1 there.  So something is really wrong at that level.  Not JZOS
>> at all. I am waiting for IBM to reply to that bit of info. 

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Re: zOS 1.13 (really) how copy MVS loadmod from ZFS to PDSE

[Kirk Wolf]

I've seen that when there isn't enough memory to start java.   Always seemed 
like bad coding to me ;-)

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On Sat, Oct 15, 2022, at 8:55 AM, Nightwatch RenBand wrote:
> Finally did the simple thing from omvs cmd line
> java -version
> And got S-0C1 there.  So something is really wrong at that level.  Not JZOS
> at all. I am waiting for IBM to reply to that bit of info.  And resigned
> that I may never get this resolved.  As I told management, when they
> stopped my project to go to zOS 2.2 while it was still supported, and the
> last supported level on our machine...
> "the trailing edge bleeds just as much as the leading edge".
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